Jet Boat Circle Racing

[Squirtin Thunder]

Comp Jet Class
As you see there is a class with the Southern California Speedboat Club, but the jets are racing against the v-drive guys not bad for bragging rights. But according to Ross Wallach (Commodore of SCSC) we, Jet Boat Guys and Gals, can get our own class if enough of you want to participate. There are no national points, no stress, just trophies, and a heck of a lot of fun.
OK any of you jet guys and gals, that want to get involved or want more info in Jet Boat Circle racing please let me know by email; jrpm@npgcable.com. We need a minimum of 5 boats to race at Parker, to have our own Jet class.
Lets get this rolling !!!
Rick Ortega #cj812
Terry Valerie #cj410
Jim Rich #cj72
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
.
For schedule & Race
Information.visit www.scscracing.com
Good Luck and I hope to see you there.
RW
Please contact
Jim Rich
jrpm@npgcable.com
928-704-1858

[MAXIMUS]

Its too bad Cyclone sold that red rocket. He would have had a ball running in this class! I know I did... :) :rollside:

[brianthelion02]

Sounds fun,hmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Any races in arizona???? I may be interested!!!!!!!!

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Jim is this a class for jets only??

[lilrick]

Any races in arizona???? I may be interested!!!!!!!!
yah Parker!!!!!!!!!!

[lilrick]

Comp Jet Class
As you see there is a class with the Southern California Speedboat Club, but the jets are racing against the v-drive guys not bad for bragging rights. But according to Ross Wallach (Commodore of SCSC) we, Jet Boat Guys and Gals, can get our own class if enough of you want to participate. There are no national points, no stress, just trophies, and a heck of a lot of fun.
OK any of you jet guys and gals, that want to get involved or want more info in Jet Boat Circle racing please let me know by email; jrpm@npgcable.com. We need a minimum of 5 boats to race at Parker, to have our own Jet class.
Lets get this rolling !!!
Rick Ortega #cj812
Terry Valerie #cj410
Jim Rich #cj72
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
.
For schedule & Race
Information.visit www.scscracing.com
Good Luck and I hope to see you there.
RW
Please contact
Jim Best
(760) 868-6227
(626) 353-2561
gn145@aol.com
Jim Rich
jrpm@npgcable.com
928-704-1858
THANK YOU JIM!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, here is the deal..We need a couple more boats to round out our field . Terry Valore and I (only two jets)are racing against big GN style boats, and the problem is that they ran 10 boats at one time .It's pretty tough to be competitive in a smaller boat against a GN, especially when there are multiple.I also felt that it is very unsafe to run this many boats together in one heat on such a small course. Three out of the ten drivers were rookies (myself being a rookie). I don't believe that this was wise .If we can put a comp jet class together, we can alieviate a problem of overcrowding .Also spreading out the rookies isn't a bad idea either!

[MAXIMUS]

Yea damn rookies... :rolleyes:

[Cole1313]

Any races in arizona???? I may be interested!!!!!!!!
Parker is in AZ

[dmontzsta]

This should be good. :)

[canuck1]

Sprint boats allowed?

[lilrick]

Sprint boats allowed?
what exactly is a sprint boat? is it that aluminum rock hopper?

[Squirtin Thunder]

Comp Jet Class
As you see there is a class with the Southern California Speedboat Club, but the jets are racing against the v-drive guys not bad for bragging rights. But according to Ross Wallach (Commodore of SCSC) we, Jet Boat Guys and Gals, can get our own class if enough of you want to participate. There are no national points, no stress, just trophies, and a heck of a lot of fun.
OK any of you jet guys and gals, that want to get involved or want more info in Jet Boat Circle racing please let me know by email; jrpm@npgcable.com. We need a minimum of 5 boats to race at Parker, to have our own Jet class.
Lets get this rolling !!!
Rick Ortega #cj812
Terry Valerie #cj410
Jim Rich #cj72
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
.
For schedule & Race
Information.visit www.scscracing.com
Good Luck and I hope to see you there.
RW
Please contact
Jim Best
(760) 868-6227
(626) 353-2561
gn145@aol.com
Jim Rich
jrpm@npgcable.com
928-704-1858
Sprint boats allowed?
what exactly is a sprint boat? is it that aluminum rock hopper?
Yes it is a rock hopper, bottom feeder, ditch pump, tin can, mud sucker. If you look at the rule for Nostalgia Endurance Class that most likely would be a No, but It will be a yes in the Comp Jet Class.

[lilrick]

Sprint boats allowed?
come on down!!!!!!!!!

[Squirtin Thunder]

come on down!!!!!!!!!
Lilrick, did you check your email yet ???
If we get the comp jet class going it will have the 80.9mph max speed in place, that is the only way Ross and the APBA will allow it to happen for us. It will just be the jets running instead of the 15 boat field like at Parker.

[LakesOnly]

I like the sound of a circle jet class...never before thought I'd consider putting a rudder on my Southwind.
The unlimited engine rule is a bit of a downer for me and my little ol' 466....unless (and somebody check this out because I won't have the time for about a week...) unless we don't have to run a spec fuel (is any type of fuel allowed?).
LO

[Tittie Chaser]

Speed caps are gay.

[LakesOnly]

The max speed rule may be an attempt to curb the unlimited motor rule. Also makes it easier to broaden the field...
Just speculation,
LO

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Can I wear a swimmers rubber speed cap???????

[Squirtin Thunder]

I like the sound of a circle jet class...never before thought I'd consider putting a rudder on my Southwind.
The unlimited engine rule is a bit of a downer for me and my little ol' 466....unless (and somebody check this out because I won't have the time for about a week...) unless we don't have to run a spec fuel (is any type of fuel allowed?).
LO
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Ron Hill and myself were working on other race venues.
Paul any fuel your unlimited engine will require is legal as long as it is gas. The deal is the bigger and badder it is the harder it is to not break the speed limit. Also there is a higher chance of engine failure, and higher costs.
Speed caps are gay.
There was no speed limit for the Parker 300 and average speed was around 75mph of the winning boat. It is a lot harder to run 80.9mph in 2' chop than you think Tittie Chaser. Gay or not safer racing is good racing.
The max speed rule may be an attempt to curb the unlimited motor rule. Also makes it easier to broaden the field...
Just speculation,
LO
Yes Paul all your points are valid, but the most important thing is safety. Slowing the boats down make the racing much safer.
Can I wear a swimmers rubber speed cap???????
Yes you can as long as it is International/Safety Orange and worn over your International/Safety Orange Helmet.
Jim

[Tittie Chaser]

I never said it was easy, Jim. However if the conditions allow for it, I don't think a rulebook should decide how fast people can go.
Quit being such a fag, you fag :p

[Squirtin Thunder]

I never said it was easy, Jim. However if the conditions allow for it, I don't think a rulebook should decide how fast people can go.
Quit being such a fag, you fag :p
Are you planning on maybe running ???
Speed limit is not up for debate. It has been desided by all of the SCSC members. So get past the max speed issue and race.

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Are you planning on maybe running ???
Speed limit is not up for debate. It has been desided by all of the SCSC members. So get past the max speed issue and race.
I am opposed to the speed limit as well but at least you can drag race up to 80. Whoever can turn and accelerate the fastest should win. :cool:

[superdave013]

There was no speed limit for the Parker 300 and average speed was around 75mph of the winning boat. It is a lot harder to run 80.9mph in 2' chop than you think Tittie Chaser. Gay or not safer racing is good racing.
it was that slow only because the Short Bus kicked a rod. :crossx: That 2' chop was nothing at 100+ in the bus.

[Fast Freddy]

i have always wanted to circle track race my kachina jet boat. i heard back in 70's they used to circle track race jets around firebird lake island and all. kachina boats told me that there old customs used to race there then. anyway without my nitrous kit my 19 ft kachina saber jet runs 80 mph. i used to drag race my boat in the river racer class at IHBA events. my boat does not have a setback pump and it turns very well. so i would assume that since my boat and safety equipment and my life vest and helmet, etc passed tech for IHBA that my equipment would pass tech for this SCSC organization? can somebody let me know? also how long is this circle track course? is it laid out like the SS & K boat track at firebird which has two bouys about 1/2 mile apart? also how many laps do you race and how many heats do you run to decide the winner? last but not least how many races a year will there be and what time of year? i would assume summertime at parker only?

[Squirtin Thunder]

it was that slow only because the Short Bus kicked a rod. :crossx: That 2' chop was nothing at 100+ in the bus.
Yes the short bus was haulin ass.

[Squirtin Thunder]

i have always wanted to circle track race my kachina jet boat. i heard back in 70's they used to circle track race jets around firebird lake island and all. kachina boats told me that there old customs used to race there then. anyway without my nitrous kit my 19 ft kachina saber jet runs 80 mph. i used to drag race my boat in the river racer class at IHBA events. my boat does not have a setback pump and it turns very well. so i would assume that since my boat and safety equipment and my life vest and helmet, etc passed tech for IHBA that my equipment would pass tech for this SCSC organization? can somebody let me know? also how long is this circle track course? is it laid out like the SS & K boat track at firebird which has two bouys about 1/2 mile apart? also how many laps do you race and how many heats do you run to decide the winner? last but not least how many races a year will there be and what time of year? i would assume summertime at parker only?
Here are the Rules;
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
The course is about 1 mile and is a three buey set up. The race heat is 4 laps long. Depending on time avalable 4 heats for the weekend. Right now there are 5 races, Plus the non points Parker 300 Enduro. Here is last seasons schedule;
2005 SCSC Race Schedule
Date Location Category
March 5 & 6 Lake Ming
Bakersfield, CA Stock, Mod, Pro, OPC, Crackerbox, Nost.
April 23 & 24 BlueWater Resort Spring Classic*
Parker, AZ (Invitational) OPC, I.E., I, PWR, Nost
Aug. 13 & 14 Long Beach Sprint Nat's*
Long Beach, CA (Invitational) OPC, I, I.E., PWR, Nost
Oct. 1 & 2 Bakersfield OPC, I, IE, Stock, Mod, Pro, Nost. PWR
59th Annual Thanksgiving Regatta
at the Bluewater Resort & Casino
Colorado River, Parker, Arizona
November 25 & 26, 2005
I hope I answered all your questions
Jim

[Hipshot]

originally posted by Squirtin Thunder
There was no speed limit for the Parker 300 and average speed was around 75mph of the winning boat. It is a lot harder to run 80.9mph in 2' chop than you think Tittie Chaser. Gay or not safer racing is good racing.
My bet is that if the average speed was 75mph then the straight away speeds had to be more than 80.9mph. Think about it, unless the boat that held the average speed of 75mph was carrying that speed through the corners the straight away speeds had to be higher than 80.9mph. I didn't know that they even raced jets in circles, but it sounds cool to me and I like to see it. Where do they hold races at other than Az?

[Squirtin Thunder]

There was no speed limit for the Parker 300 and average speed was around 75mph of the winning boat. It is a lot harder to run 80.9mph in 2' chop than you think Tittie Chaser. Gay or not safer racing is good racing.
My bet is that if the average speed was 75mph then the straight away speeds had to be more than 80.9mph. Think about it, unless the boat that held the average speed of 75mph was carrying that speed through the corners the straight away speeds had to be higher than 80.9mph. I didn't know that they even raced jets in circles, but it sounds cool to me and I like to see it. Where do they hold races at other than Az?
It seems that I have created a little bit of confusion. The Parker 300 does not have a speed limit.
But the SCSC classes do. The Nostalgia Endurance and Comp Jet will and are 80.9mph.

[lilrick]

now we're getting somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!good work jim!

[flat broke]

it was that slow only because the Short Bus kicked a rod. :crossx: That 2' chop was nothing at 100+ in the bus.
The chop was nuthin for the bus because there wasn't much of the bus in the water with you at the helm buddy ;) Unless something gets editited out, you'll definitely want to grab a copy of the next Familiy and Peformance Boating issue.
Chris

[Cas]

The circle racing sounds like it would be a lot of fun. The one and only problem I have with running it is Jim Rich. To me, he jeopardized the safety of every other racer that was at the Parker deal a couple of months ago.
In a conversation I had with him prior to the the race, he told me his doctor wouldn't release him. Jim said he was going to go elsewhere to get that clearance, did you ever get it Jim or did you sign a waiver?
Had his engine not had issues, he could have been out in the thick of things when he had his heart issues...thankfully he's recovering from!
Point being, for his love and dedication to racing, he put many others in harm's way.
I now hear he's on medications that are playing with his head and thought process. Sorry, I just don't think it's a good thing for someone to throw caution to the wind when the lives and well being of others is at risk.
just my opinion......

[steelcomp]

The circle racing sounds like it would be a lot of fun. The one and only problem I have with running it is Jim Rich. To me, he jeopardized the safety of every other racer that was at the Parker deal a couple of months ago.
In a conversation I had with him prior to the the race, he told me his doctor wouldn't release him. Jim said he was going to go elsewhere to get that clearance, did you ever get it Jim or did you sign a waiver?
Had his engine not had issues, he could have been out in the thick of things when he had his heart issues...thankfully he's recovering from!
Point being, for his love and dedication to racing, he put many others in harm's way.
I now hear he's on medications that are playing with his head and thought process. Sorry, I just don't think it's a good thing for someone to throw caution to the wind when the lives and well being of others is at risk.
just my opinion......
Cool...then don't race, and we don't have to worry about you.
Problem solved. :rolleyes:

[Cas]

Cool...then don't race, and we don't have to worry about you.
Problem solved. :rolleyes:
not a problem but I'd sure hate to see you or anyone else get hurt because of a drug, legal or not.

[Squirtin Thunder]

The circle racing sounds like it would be a lot of fun. The one and only problem I have with running it is Jim Rich. To me, he jeopardized the safety of every other racer that was at the Parker deal a couple of months ago.
In a conversation I had with him prior to the the race, he told me his doctor wouldn't release him. Jim said he was going to go elsewhere to get that clearance, did you ever get it Jim or did you sign a waiver?
Had his engine not had issues, he could have been out in the thick of things when he had his heart issues...thankfully he's recovering from!
Point being, for his love and dedication to racing, he put many others in harm's way.
I now hear he's on medications that are playing with his head and thought process. Sorry, I just don't think it's a good thing for someone to throw caution to the wind when the lives and well being of others is at risk.
just my opinion......
Hello everyone !!! First we want to thank our entire team along with Short Bus, Four Q and Team Shocker for their support and help. Next, we need to thank all of our sponsors for their support.
As some of you may know, we fell out of the race in the 9th lap. We were running 4 minute laps with a hurt engine. A last minute problem before we left for the race caused us to use an older set of heads, that had excessive spring pressure for cam break in. When we arrived in Parker, we started to test. Somehow we got junk in the needle and seat, at quarter lap the fuel pump just started dumping fuel into the carb, which caused us to wash down the brand new engine with fuel. We flushed the engine several times with fresh oil to remove all traces of gas. At 8:00 am on race day, we were still unsure if we would race or not. At first start, oil pressure was at 20-25 psi, the last time the gassy oil was changed, the oil lines were mistakenly put in the wrong spot, this was done at midnight. Fixed this small detail, started engine and 80 psi. Mad dash to get inspected and registered, We were going racing. Things were going fine, at lap 5 we blew a water line, came in to pit for repair and top off. 4 laps later the engine stopped running, we were out. Upon inspection in the pit, the cam flatspotted from the spring pressure. No chance of getting back in the race, but a job well done by everyone !!!
About one hour later, everyone one was watching race and having a good time. Jim came over and sat down next to me, he was talking with MrsBordsmnj and MrsBoatnam. All of a sudden he grabbed his chest, lost consciousness and almost fell over. Again the TEAM came thru, we kept Jim semi conscious, got the medic and an ambulance. They placed Jim into the ambulance, Jim's heartbeat was about 202, they gave him an injection to stop his heart and then restart his heart before they went to the hospital. The doctor's stated that if we did not get help when we did that we would have lost him. They wanted him to stay in the hospital, but Jim was more worried about the team and boat. We made arrangements for him to be seen by his own doctor here at home. The doctors in Parker and here at home have confirmed that the Bells Palsy was in no way shape or form the cause of his heart problems. Bells Palsy affects the brain and NOT the heart. Jim is now resting comfortably (LOL) in the hospital, waiting for the rest of the tests that have been planned for him. At this time, he will be there until tomorrow, unless something happens. I will post from time to time, to give updates as they happen.
Again, thanks to everyone for their support, before, during and after the race.
Thanks
Mrs ST
Guys anybody talking shiat to Jim & his team, better have been out there racing & making an effort! There are those in life that step up & do & those that sit back & watch the doers! Jim stepped up & gave it one hell of an effort! I watched him drive & was very impressed of his conservitive approach to a very long race! For all those that ran jets, "WE SALUTE YOU" ! Next year my amigos lets rock that friggen beach! :crossx:
Steve "Cas",
Yes you are right, I continuely could not pass the physical that my regular Dr. was giving me. I did have to go to an outside Dr. to pass. The deal was the Dr. was 110% agaist racing of any sort. I honestly think he rode a Beachcomber to his office. But as in the quotes above the Bells Paulsy had absolutly nothing to do with the Heart Attacks that I have had. My racing judgement if fine and was fine. Now I have no idea who you are talking to but the meds I am talking are not altering thoughts in anyway. They do slow my heart rate and give me headaches, thats it. I also sat out the Thanksgiving race because I didn't feel it was a wise choice to race. Also that was the first race of the 2006 season.

[steelcomp]

not a problem but I'd sure hate to see you or anyone else get hurt because of a drug, legal or not.
I don't know who you're talking to to get your info, but you should make sure that what you're saying is correct and accurate. I know it's not, and for you to come on here and talk this kind of trash is really uncalled for. I wonder what your agenda really is. I would trust Jim's judgement in ANY situation, but then again, I know him, and what he's going through first hand, not through the rumor mill. You show poorer judgement here than Jim ever did.

[Cas]

Steve "Cas",
They do slow my heart rate and give me headaches, thats it.
Bells Palsy affects the brain and NOT the heart.
the above says a lot! Could there be a correlation there?
Steel,
It's pretty much all from ST himself along with a couple of first hand experiences. As a friend, it seems you should also be concerned about his well being as I'm sure you are. As a racer, you should be concerned about the health of a fellow racer along with possible safety issues. I doubt very much you would want to be on a track with someone that was drunk let alone someone on a legal drug. Hell, Benedryl, an allergy med can alter someone's reactions. You want that person running 80, 90 or 100 mph down a track next to you? I surely wouldn't.

[steelcomp]

the above says a lot! Could there be a correlation there?
Steel,
It's pretty much all from ST himself along with a couple of first hand experiences. As a friend, it seems you should also be concerned about his well being as I'm sure you are. As a racer, you should be concerned about the health of a fellow racer along with possible safety issues. I doubt very much you would want to be on a track with someone that was drunk let alone someone on a legal drug. Hell, Benedryl, an allergy med can alter someone's reactions. You want that person running 80, 90 or 100 mph down a track next to you? I surely wouldn't.I'm not a doctor, and not going to pretend to be. I'm not goign to compare something like Benedryl to anything ST's taking, nor am I going to come out on a public forum and make the kind of assertions that you are. Besides, what does any of this have to do with Jim promoting the idea of putting together a Jet class for circle racing? No one's going anywhere side by side at any speed right now. After reading your other posts against Jim, I think it's something personal you have against him, and you're just taking advantage of an oppotrunity here to try and make him look bad. This isn't about Jim, it's about jet boat circle racing, and he's trying real hard to promote this. You'd be doing real well to put as much positive energy and passion into anything, instead of coming on here and purposfully trying to bash Jim. I don't always agree with the way Jim goes about things, but at least he's trying to do something positive for jet boat racing. I think what you're doing here is all wrong, and of no positive consequence.

[Squirtin Thunder]

....................Please consult your doctor before reading...................
the above says a lot! Could there be a correlation there? Well I asked every Dr. I have spoke with if the Bells had anything to do with what has happend. So far out of the 5 Dr.s that I have seen all say no correlation what so ever.
Steel,
It's pretty much all from ST himself along with a couple of first hand experiences. As a friend, it seems you should also be concerned about his well being as I'm sure you are. As a racer, you should be concerned about the health of a fellow racer along with possible safety issues. I doubt very much you would want to be on a track with someone that was drunk let alone someone on a legal drug. Hell, Benedryl, an allergy med can alter someone's reactions. You want that person running 80, 90 or 100 mph down a track next to you? I surely wouldn't.
Even if I never get cleared I will continue with my current path, bringing jet boat racing back. So basically you are saying, that anyone taking any type of meds to regulate anything sould be put in a box and forgotten. I can't wait till you tell that to Ron Bracksma (Madness).
So basically a construction worker should not touch his nail gun when taking Benedryl ??? Well maybe coffee should be outlawed too, it alters attitude and energy level. Wait don't eat any Turkey before a race you could fall a sleep.
When I pass my D.O.T. physical I will be racing not before. Like I have said to you Steve prior to the Parker 300 Enduro Race it all was contingent on me passing the physical.

[Cas]

reread my original post Steel. What I said has nothing to do with Jim promoting the races, I think it's great that's he's stepped up to do that and hopefully the jet class will fill up due to his efforts.
Jim,
Basically what I'm saying is if a drug is affecting a person's ability to react as necessary they should not be operating anything that could be harmful. And yes, that includes pulling the trigger of a nail gun. An electrician friend of mine had one of his employees killed by a nail gun, the nail went through a sheetrock wall and hit him in the head.....guy never knew what hit him. The carpenter was found to have taken NyQuil!
My wife just went through an issue with a prescribed med not interacting properly with an over the counter type. The scarey part was the Dr didn't know it would happen.
You say When I pass my D.O.T. physical I will be racing not before is a very good thing and I hope you pass.

[Jetboatguru]

I side with Cas on this one. There is no coincindence that Jim started seizing at the race when he was clearly having problems before the race as Cas has stated. Had he been on the water when this happened, it could have been a huge problem for many people. I don't feel Cas has an axe to grind with ST. Take the info for what it is work Steel.If you are not out there racing and it does not affect you then let it be. Thank you for the info Cas.
Tony

[steelcomp]

The circle racing sounds like it would be a lot of fun. The one and only problem I have with running it is Jim Rich. To me, he jeopardized the safety of every other racer that was at the Parker deal a couple of months ago.
You're right, your post had nothing to do with the thread.
The best thing for you to do is just stay indoors. Don't go outside. Don't drive a car, don't go in public, and turn off the computer...it's bad for you.
This is so stupid...you'd have to go to every pit, open every box, check every bag, pocket, purse, etc. Advil will effect some people... it knocks me out! There's racers who can't do anything without a beer in their system. People are always hiding them. What are you going to do, Cas? Give everyone a blood test as they're getting into their boat? Sometimes completely sober racers use bad judgement and make terrible mistakes.
Your point, in general, is a valid one to some degree, but to single out Jim, and to say you have a problem with the races in general, only because of him, is almost slanderous. In fact, it is.

[TRG]

...is almost slanderous. In fact, it is.[/QUOTE]
There goes that word again!...

[Jetboatguru]

Scott,
When you are out there racing with people then you can make judgement calls. Would you feel comfortable going into a turn with someone who is altered on meds or drugs or whatever it may be? He is not talking about driving to the grocery store or walking in the park. He is talking about other people lives in a boat on the water. You are making this personal.

[Jordy]

is almost slanderous. In fact, it is.
Actually it would be libelous, and then only if it wasn't true. Slander is spoken. ;)
Hate to say it, but I pretty much feel the same way. The fact that his own doctor doesn't want him to race so he goes and finds another physician who will clear him??? Says alot right there, at least to me. If I had any doubts about my medical condition or state of mind, you wouldn't catch me behind the wheel, much less finding some back alley doctor who would give me a clear bill of health when my own physician, who knows what's going on, wouldn't. Not fair to everyone else on the course.
On the other side of it, you do have to admire the effort (no matter how annoying old Quotin' Thunder can be) that he's putting into bringing the races back. ;)
Just my $.02. Flame away.

[steelcomp]

I side with Cas on this one. There is no coincindence that Jim started seizing at the race when he was clearly having problems before the race as Cas has stated. Had he been on the water when this happened, it could have been a huge problem for many people. I don't feel Cas has an axe to grind with ST. Take the info for what it is work Steel.If you are not out there racing and it does not affect you then let it be. Thank you for the info Cas.
Tony
What Jim was feeling before the races, and what happened after, were not related, according to his doctors, as Jim has stated. Seperate issues, and it very well could be a coincidense...I'm not a doctor, and not going to jump to suspicious conclusions. I just very well may be out ther racing, Tony, and the info is worthless, IMO. If you're going to be out there, then so be it. If not, you can take your own advice. Always good to hear your input, though.

[Jetboatguru]

You are correct Jordy. He is doing a lot to bring back the races. But this is not about that. You have been spending too much time with the Jones Law Firm.

[Jordy]

You are correct Jordy. He is doing a lot to bring back the races. But this is not about that. You have been spending too much time with the Jones Law Firm.
I was trying to put something positive in with my reply Mr. Guru. Part of the new and improved, kinder, gentler Jordy. Guess the bullet I dodged last week has had some positive effects (if you can call being kind and gentle positive). ;) :D
Jones Law Firm?? Never heard of them. :D

[Squirtin Thunder]

I side with Cas on this one. There is no coincindence that Jim started seizing at the race when he was clearly having problems before the race as Cas has stated. Had he been on the water when this happened, it could have been a huge problem for many people. I don't feel Cas has an axe to grind with ST. Take the info for what it is work Steel.If you are not out there racing and it does not affect you then let it be. Thank you for the info Cas.
Tony
So basically because I contracted Bells Paulsy which effects the nerves in my face and last year because of the virus, it caused a brain infection which has took some time to recover from. I should not be on a track ??? BTW I passed a physical with flying colors, which was not required for the Parker 300 Enduro, prior to even entering the race. I was not on any drugs/meds prior, during or after the race. I took meds last year for the infection, but for the Bells Paulsy their are no meds for it. Yah I had a heart attack at the race an hour after I was off the water when relaxing from a month and a half rush. So now I should not be on a track ever, are you nuts ??? You go and tell Ron Bracksma that because he just had a heart attack. So he should never climb in his TFH again because he is a danger to others ??? Are you saying Brian Busby should not be on a track being he had Bells also ??? You would be amazed at how many people are taking meds for heart problems or other medical conditions on a daily basis, that you have raced with. Basically you have no idea what you are really talking about when it comes to my health. Ross (SCSC Commodore) and I have an agreement that I will see his Dr. to have my D.O.T. physical. I have also consulted with the NJBA on these matters also.
Jim

[Cas]

Your point, in general, is a valid one to some degree, but to single out Jim, and to say you have a problem with the races in general, only because of him, is almost slanderous. In fact, it is.
Jim is the one that told me about his condition, had it been JBG, bp, cs19 or any other, something would have been said. I understand the love of a sport and one's passion to do what they can for it....been there done that.
If say someone gets out on the track, field, court or whatever and causes harm to another all the good gets tossed out the window.
You speak of racers out there that can't do anything without a beer in their system, do you condone that? It would seem that the racers themselves should be the ones self policing for safety reasons.

[Squirtin Thunder]

On the other side of it, you do have to admire the effort (no matter how annoying old Quotin' Thunder can be) that he's putting into bringing the races back. ;)
Just my $.02. Flame away.
You are correct Jordy. He is doing a lot to bring back the races. But this is not about that. You have been spending too much time with the Jones Law Firm.
Actually all this thread is about is bringing the Jets back with there own class.
Comp Jet Class
As you see there is a class with the Southern California Speedboat Club, but the jets are racing against the v-drive guys not bad for bragging rights. But according to Ross Wallach (Commodore of SCSC) we, Jet Boat Guys and Gals, can get our own class if enough of you want to participate. There are no national points, no stress, just trophies, and a heck of a lot of fun.
OK any of you jet guys and gals, that want to get involved or want more info in Jet Boat Circle racing please let me know by email; jrpm@npgcable.com. We need a minimum of 5 boats to race at Parker, to have our own Jet class.
Lets get this rolling !!!
Rick Ortega #cj812
Terry Valerie #cj410
Jim Rich #cj72
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
.
For schedule & Race
Information.visit www.scscracing.com
Good Luck and I hope to see you there.
RW
Please contact
Jim Rich
jrpm@npgcable.com
928-704-1858

[Jordy]

Sweet!!!! You got to quote yourself again... :notam:

[steelcomp]

Scott,
When you are out there racing with people then you can make judgement calls. Would you feel comfortable going into a turn with someone who is altered on meds or drugs or whatever it may be? He is not talking about driving to the grocery store or walking in the park. He is talking about other people lives in a boat on the water. You are making this personal.
Tony, I've been racing all my life...just new to boats. I understand what you're syaing, but I also know there are people out there all the time going around doctors, getting "bogus" physicals, drinking, smoking, popping, and driving, etc. Boating's no different, and I'm not making this personal. I don't know what meds Jim was on, nor does Cas, nor do I know weather they would or did effect his judgement in any way. I don't know what his first doctor said, and I don't know what his second doctor said. People get second opinions all the time, and I think that to blatently call Jim out on this is wrong, unless you're going to line up every single driver out there and do the same thing. I also think it was done with ulterior motives, but that's JMO. I've said my piece.

[Squirtin Thunder]

Sweet!!!! You got to quote yourself again... :notam:
I had to !!! I just had to !!! :cool:

[Cas]

cool, I got to quote him also with a little addition
Comp Jet Class
As you see there is a class with the Southern California Speedboat Club, but the jets are racing against the v-drive guys not bad for bragging rights. But according to Ross Wallach (Commodore of SCSC) we, Jet Boat Guys and Gals, can get our own class if enough of you want to participate. There are no national points, no stress, just trophies, and a heck of a lot of fun.
OK any of you jet guys and gals, that want to get involved or want more info in Jet Boat Circle racing please let me know by email; jrpm@npgcable.com. We need a minimum of 5 boats to race at Parker, to have our own Jet class.
Lets get this rolling !!!
Rick Ortega #cj812
Terry Valerie #cj410
Jim Rich #cj72 Pending passing the Physical Exam
Per Ross Wallach
APBA & SCSC General Rules
Required: Minimum of 5 Boats
Entry Fee: $80/day
plus APBA Membership fee (can apply
for Single Event rather than full membership)
plus club membership fee-$20/year.
Certified Life Jacket & Helmet,
boats to be in safety compliance,
No Jet-A-way required.
GPS- Contact Jim Best for GPS Spec
Max. Speed 80.9 MPH
Nostalgia Endurance Class
Rules of the class are; Per Jim Best
1) '87 or older, or a copy of
2) Orange Jacket
3) Orange Helmet
4) Kill switch
5) Max speed of 80.9mph
6) Neck collar
7) Helmet restraints
8) Most have a GPS with a max speed censor
9) Any engine (ci) as many carbs as wanted
super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything
including Turbine engines
10) Turning Rudder
11) Have fun
.
For schedule & Race
Information.visit www.scscracing.com
Good Luck and I hope to see you there.
RW
Please contact
Jim Rich
jrpm@npgcable.com
928-704-1858

[steelcomp]

cool, I got to quote him also with a little addition
Cas, you're just an ass.

[Jetboatguru]

Jim, are you ok in the brain? Did anyone in this thead imply that you should Never race? The point Cas made was that you told him that your Doctor would not clear you to race and you went elsewhere to gain the clearance. As for the part about "WHEN" your Heart attack took place. I am very amazed at how you could time and place the heart attack as to not put any of us in jeopardy. Don't even try to compare yourself to Ron Braaksma and his heart attack.
In answer to your ludicrous questions about Busby and Braaksma the answer is yes they should be able to race if their medical condition is not a problem and they are not a danger to themselves or anyone else.
Should they not have a doctor's clearance and go elsewhere to get it then No they should not be allowed on the course. And they would be the first one to say it.
So, lets recap.
Nobody said anything about you never racing. YOU DID!
Your doctor did not give you clearance to race and you went elsewhere.
You had a heart attack at the race and it could have been while on the course.
If you have a good bill of health Jim, I would have no problem racing against you

[Jetboatguru]

Scott, The circle boat racers were at one time given breathalyzers in the morning before racing. How is the boat coming?

[Squirtin Thunder]

Jim, are you ok in the brain?
Nobody said anything about you never racing. YOU DID!
Your doctor did not give you clearance to race and you went elsewhere.
You had a heart attack at the race and it could have been while on the course.
Actually the brain is fine, it took quite awhile to recover from the brain infection effects. My regular Dr. that I had here in Bullhead City sucked. I was not required to get a physical prior to the race, I did it for my self. I have seen three different Dr.s to get some concrete info on why I had the first and the second Heart Attack. The meds that I am taking now cause major head aches. After multiple request I have been finally cleared to go to Vegas to see a real Cardoligist. My hopes are that they can find and fix what ever the problem is by the second race of the season in March. If not I will continue helping Ross with the Promo side of the sport along with fielding my boat in every race. Ross (SCSC Commodore) and I have an agreement that I will see his Dr. to have my D.O.T. physical.
If you have a good bill of health Jim, I would have no problem racing against you
I am looking forward to it.

[old rigger]

Cas, you're just an ass.
That's odd, after reading your input on this thread, I was thinking the same of you.

[steelcomp]

That's odd, after reading your input on this thread, I was thinking the same of you.Dammit...now I won't be able to sleep tonight.
:cry: :cry: :sleeping:

[Cas]

Cas, you're just an ass.
thanks steel! good luck with your program in 2006!

[old rigger]

Dammit...now I won't be able to sleep tonight.
:cry: :cry: :sleeping:
lol.
So I suppose the comment comming from a wanna be racer like you towards Cas gives it some special extra meaning?
I'm sure he was crushed.

[Jordy]

After multiple request I have been finally cleared to go to Vegas to see a real Cardoligist.
On the bright side, at least you can race a boat in the meantime. That drive to Vegas can be a bitch. Wouldn't want anyone on the road to get hurt. ;) :rolleyes: :notam:
p.s. I'm an internet certified doctor and can clear you for whatever you want to do Quotin' Thunder... ;)
p.s.s And if any of your friends want to get married, I'm also and ordained minister. Happy racing.

[Squirtin Thunder]

On the bright side, at least you can race a boat in the meantime. That drive to Vegas can be a bitch. Wouldn't want anyone on the road to get hurt.
As far as driving, my chauffer (wife) does all the driving right now.
If not I will continue helping Ross with the Promo side of the sport along with fielding my boat in every race. Ross (SCSC Commodore) and I have an agreement that I will see his Dr. to have my D.O.T. physical.
As far as fielding my boat in every race, I will have a hired gun to drive for me until I am cleared by Ross' Dr.

[MAXIMUS]

it was that slow only because the Short Bus kicked a rod. :crossx: That 2' chop was nothing at 100+ in the bus.
Hmmm maybe a hundred the night before while having a wet dream... :D I love the smell of burning gear oil in the morning... :crossx: lol Where's my fittings biatch! :cry:

[superdave013]

The chop was nuthin for the bus because there wasn't much of the bus in the water with you at the helm buddy ;) Unless something gets editited out, you'll definitely want to grab a copy of the next Familiy and Peformance Boating issue.
Chris
Oh do tell.......Where does a guy have to go to get a copy of Familiy and Performance Boating?

[superdave013]

Hmmm maybe a hundred the night before while having a wet dream... :D I love the smell of burning gear oil in the morning... :crossx: lol Where's my fittings biatch! :cry:
please don't hate or you will have to sit in the back of the bus with the pile of rod caps. ;)

[hack job]

Oh do tell.......Where does a guy have to go to get a copy of Familiy and Performance Boating?
boaters world or west marine. are about the only two places i have seen besides a magazine stand by my work . but now it comes directly to my home ;)

[Cas]

you can go here to subscribe
F and P Magazine (http://www.familyandperformanceboating.com/Publications.asp?MAG=FPB)
I would guess it is probably easier to find than HB. I've been to at least 15 magazine and/or book stores and can't find it.

[lilrick]

I was gone one day and you boys got all out of control!!!!!!!!!!Jim, I'll race with yuh!

[cyclone]

Its too bad Cyclone sold that red rocket. He would have had a ball running in this class! I know I did... :) :rollside:
Maybe the new owner will bring it out. it would make for one heck of a circle boat. :)

[lilrick]

Maybe the new owner will bring it out. it would make for one heck of a circle boat. :)
what kinda boat was the red rocket?

[lilrick]

anybody else interested???

[cyclone]

what kinda boat was the red rocket?
19-Foot Rogers Bonneville TR.

[RCB19]

Maybe the new owner will bring it out. it would make for one heck of a circle boat. :)
Ya J get that thing back in the water! :yuk: He might need to put that turning fin back on it though for the roundy round stuff.

[cyclone]

shouldnt be too hard to replace. most of it is still bolted to the bottom of the boat. :)

[BUSBY]

In answer to your ludicrous questions about Busby and Braaksma the answer is yes they should be able to race if their medical condition is not a problem and they are not a danger to themselves or anyone else.
Should they not have a doctor's clearance and go elsewhere to get it then No they should not be allowed on the course. And they would be the first one to say it.
To agree with Tony ... he is right ... we would not race.
With respect to Bells Palsy and what it is and/or isn't ... copied form the following web site: http://www.bellspalsy.ws/
Bells palsy is a condition that causes the facial muscles to weaken or become paralyzed. It's caused by trauma to the 7th cranial nerve, and is not permanent.
Most people either wake up to find they have Bells palsy, or have symptoms such as a dry eye or tingling around their lips that progress to classic Bell's palsy during that same day. Occasionally symptoms may take a few days to be recognizable as Bells palsy. The degree of paralysis should peak within several days of onset - never in longer than 2 weeks (3 weeks maximum for Ramsey Hunt syndrome). A warning sign may be neck pain, or pain in or behind the ear prior to palsy, but it is not usually recognized in first-time cases.
Bells palsy should not cause any other part of the body to become paralyzed, weak or numb. If any other areas are affected Bell's palsy is not the cause of the symptoms, and further testing must be done.
Now ... all it does is make a side of your face paralized. Period. Jim had other things going on. Period. He's addressing them, and I'm sure everyone is wishing him well.
He has contacted myself and Ross from SCSC ... and we both told him the same thing ... he needs to go to his Doctor and get his sactioning body's approved physical done. Period. Same with all other racers.
Jim has stated that if he isn't well ... he won't race. Period. Let's not give him a hard time.
I agree with some points made by all here:
Scott (steelcomp) ... people shouldn't hold something against Jim due to prior health problems
Cas ... if he's not well, he should not be on a course
Tony (JBG) ... people should be able to race if their medical condition is not a problem and they are not a danger to themselves or anyone else and if they do not have a doctor's clearance and go elsewhere to get it ... then they should not be allowed on the course.
I'm aware that people have medical conditions ... myself included. But, each racers primary physician should be the source of giving the green light or not. Not here on the forums by a bucnh of people who like boating/racing.
I understand why Cas has concerns ... just by reading ST Jim's posts ... we all are concerned that it won't happen again ... not only because he's a board member and supporter of hot boats, but espessially on a course during a race.
Jim has spoken to me about coming out to NJBA and running. His intentions are 100%. He has said that he wanted to make sure that he was cleared prior to racing ... by a qualified doctor ... not just the local clinic guy in BHC ... he's traveling into Vegas to specialists and I think he's making a consorted effort to get well & do the right thing.
As a side note: Jim ... I myself probably would not bring all of my health problems out in detail here on an open forum ... you open yourself up to critisim when you do. I hope your symptoms get better and you get cleared to hit the course.
BB

[Moneypitt]

I am pretty sure that there are no doctors in BHC that do FAA or DOT phys exams. I seem to recall another driver who lives there having to go to Kingman to get the necessary Physical. This may be why Jim's dr.(in BHC) wouldn't approve him before.........MP