A/O test

[grahamgilly123]

PleasantCat
Any conclusive results from your testing?

[pleasantcat]

well im waiting for the video to get posted then you'll see what im talking about! i will tell you that after months of missled advice from a.o. it's now fixed by not doing a single thing they said!!! :mad: more to come......

[Craig]

I transferred the vid to the computer today, I'll get it posted tomorrow (hopefully) Interesting video :)

[soupersonic]

well im waiting for the video to get posted then you'll see what im talking about! i will tell you that after months of missled advice from a.o. it's now fixed by not doing a single thing they said!!! :mad: more to come......
At least its fixed?

[pleasantcat]

yes at least it's fixed.... wait until you see the video.

[acatitude]

PC glad its fixed and I told ya not to listen to anything they said..... good luck

[pleasantcat]

blown, yep you told me so...

[grahamgilly123]

So tell us what resolved it-I'll sure not the butchering of Linder's hull design.

[grahamgilly123]

PleasantCat,
Saw your posting on OO. It is a bit worrying that out of all the “experts” you have spoken to I was the only one that suggested that you turn the props in. Glad you did this prior to butchering the hull. Have you noticed any difference in speed? How is she in the turns?

[pleasantcat]

well i ran 113mph but the main thing i got there without drama. turns fine and yes im glad i didnt butcher this thing as well.

[Havasu Hangin']

Yeah...glad he was the one who suggested you turn the props in. :notam:

[grahamgilly123]

Havasu Hangin,
My apologies –I didn’t see the earlier post where you did suggest this. It is clear that the extra lift from the props spinning out combined with the wedges on the running pads is not allowing the boat to set. It would be interesting to see anyone with a Chris Cat or A/O 31 has filled the front of the wedges to flatten the pad(s). Anyone??

[pleasantcat]

some of the hulls i looked at had les wedge than mine but, at this point who cares. i now know what makes it run correctly. hh i figured i woulda seen you guys in havazoo last weekend.

[GN2RVR]

Pleasent Cat was that you with red blower scoops running up river Sat. also by the sandbar. I was in the 36' daytona family with me of course. Boat looked good and also looked like it was ridin nice at speed :rollside:

[grahamgilly123]

Now show us the video

[grahamgilly123]

Pl-Cat,
I wasn’t suggesting that you touch your hull. It is universally know to be one of the great ones. I was simply curious to see if anyone has done any experimentation on the running surface since George Linder spent considerable time designing and tweaking it the 80’s. The interesting thing is that most great hull forms cost so much in design and testing time that few small builders (and many large ones), can afford to build them from scratch……the reason for so many splashes. There are numerous cases of builders that started their line with a splash then “had a go” with other models of their own design and created universally appalling hulls. With the exception of a few talented individuals such as Peter@ Skater, builders generally do not have the hydrodynamic (or particularly with Cats), aerodynamic knowledge. Enough rambling –How rough does it get at Havasu? It is rough conditions where you will really see the hull shine.

[pleasantcat]

gn2rvr, yep that was me. heck i thought we would get to run but when we got to the sanbar i saw you had the family with you and understood :cool:
grahm, well the guys at a.o. were guessing at so many reasons why this thing was soo bad but always insited i should never turn the props in. they just wanted me to throw dollars at it and hope it got better. when i had my eliminator they never guessed at questions i threw theyre way they knew. im happy with the way it runs and handles now and with more seat time and tweeking im sure it will be a great performer. to run 110mph here at my local lake with ease and 113-115 in havazoo during the summer tells me im getting close.
the video is in the process of being knocked down in size for the computer so it may be a few days. thanks everyone for the input!!!

[Craig]

OK, here ya' go, it's about 15 meg.....AO Run (http://www.justanothertoy.com/videos/TheHop.wmv)

[Havasu Hangin']

OK, here ya' go, it's about 15 meg.....AO Run (http://www.justanothertoy.com/videos/TheHop.wmv)
I think you should switch the prop rotation.
:D

[grahamgilly123]

Well, that is amongst the worst that I have seen. On glass calm there is often a little lope in certain speed ranges but this is mad. Craig- do you have a video of a run with the props turning in?

[andy01]

That is crazy that video. Craig your buddies do some crazy stuff, I would have been off of the stick long before it started leaving the water! I still like that picture you had of your buddies 22 standing on the transom!
Andy

[pleasantcat]

ah c'mon man. the guys from a.o. said i could "drive thru it" i thought to myself hmmmm that might not be the right thing to do :mad:
well thanks to guys on here that suggested i spin in on the blades it now drives very well.

[pleasantcat]

hh i'll turn them out and take you for a ride anytime :cool:

[grahamgilly123]

P-cat,
Presumably you still get a little lope at some speeds in flat calm?

[pleasantcat]

around 70-75 steady sdeed it starts to just porp a little but nothing like that video.

[Extreme Marine Az]

OK, here ya' go, it's about 15 meg.....AO Run (http://www.justanothertoy.com/videos/TheHop.wmv)
Look's like my old 33 Daytona :rollside:

[grahamgilly123]

What speed does the mild lope stop at? Also how much do you think your blowers and Ex-boxes weigh in total?

[pleasantcat]

all i do is burp the throttles and it stops. i know from lifting the old blowers out and the new in that the new blowers are lighter. plus i pulled the recirc pumps and rigged it with x-overs. so i should be 100+ lbs lighter on the stern.

[pleasantcat]

extreme, is this chuck?

[Evo22]

thats insane I have been tow tank testing my hull( 1/8 scale) the last few months and have never seen poroise like that even my old daytona wasnt that bad

[grahamgilly123]

Cool- When you say burp do you mean a quick nudge of the throttles forward or back? If you still couldn’t get rid of it a bit of weight in the bow will return the CG to the original design point but it seems that you’ve got it sorted. Bet you also find the trim much more responsive with the props turning in.

[pleasantcat]

just a nudge forward and it goes away. i dont trim the boat much at all it has one spot it like and i leave it alone for the most part.

[grahamgilly123]

When you're running down wind next time, try playing with the trim a bit (carefully), you'll be amazed at the extra speed and also how well it flies over swells.

[Evo22]

at what speed(s) does it do that at??

[soupersonic]

You have big brass ones to stay in the throttle that long.Fock that. Im glad you got it straightened out.

[pleasantcat]

soup quit peeking! na no biggie. that was from 75-95mph but, thanks to some good advice it doesnt do it anymore.

[Evo22]

good to hear

[pleasantcat]

good to hear
thats what my drives said!

[pleasantcat]

where's my manners....THANK YOU CRAIG FOR POSTING THE VIDEO!!!!

[soupersonic]

soup quit peeking! na no biggie. that was from 75-95mph but, thanks to some good advice it doesnt do it anymore.
I dont care what speed that was at ,that looked like a pretty scary hop.I wasnt peeking.. think my name is HH or something?

[Havasu Hangin']

...think my name is HH or something?
:notam:

[soupersonic]

I knew you were lurking :)

[Havasu Hangin']

I knew you were lurking :)
You can run...but you can't hide.
:D

[Evo22]

hey HH my password to my image center wont reset it says it will send me an email I get the first one but not the 2nd one??? can you fix it please

[Havasu Hangin']

hey HH my password to my image center wont reset it says it will send me an email I get the first one but not the 2nd one??? can you fix it please
No.

[Reaper1]

And I thought the Spectre's were bad! :) Glad you got it worked out. That thing sounds wicked! :cool:

[Craig]

Craig- do you have a video of a run with the props turning in?
Sadly no, but I'll try and get soem this weekend. At Havasu Saturday we got sidetracked at the sandbar and Moabi, never got time to set up some runs.
Yeah, Andy, you're right, just trim, it up and hit it, it won't blow over :p Larry gave it a hell of a try though in that 22' Daytona :D

[Evo22]

No.
thanks!! :220v:

[pleasantcat]

And I thought the Spectre's were bad! :) Glad you got it worked out. That thing sounds wicked! :cool:
thanks reap. i didnt know it sounded like that until the video. all i hear is wind and blower whine mixed with screams of terror from my passengers.

[Charley]

wow, thats a downright frightening video! Id be pissed too!

[pleasantcat]

charlie, im only pissed at the guys from a.o. that told me to drive through it. and kept sending me out to test b.s. advice.
oh well, hot boaters came thru in the end and it's all bueno now

[XTRM22]

wow, thats a downright frightening video! Id be pissed too!
You should have seen it from the "screamin in terror" passenger seat!
Chuck

[XTRM22]

charlie, im only pissed at the guys from a.o. that told me to drive through it. and kept sending me out to test b.s. advice.
oh well, hot boaters came thru in the end and it's all bueno now
That's it give all the credit to ***boat Forums for solving the hop skip and jump, I know the real solution that was required. :crossx:
CHuck

[grahamgilly123]

Sadly no, but I'll try and get soem this weekend. At Havasu Saturday we got sidetracked at the sandbar and Moabi, never got time to set up some runs.
Yeah, Andy, you're right, just trim, it up and hit it, it won't blow over :p Larry gave it a hell of a try though in that 22' Daytona :D
Thanks Craig- great footage- I’d be very interested to see a run accelerated from 50 MPH to 100MPH with the props turning in. It’ll also be interesting to see how the bow lift increases (assuming the same trim settings) with the props turning in. In the video it is clear that the bow is getting pushed down, the impact bounces the boat in the air, the props hit first, force the bow down again and on and on it goes. You can see on the re-entry from the hop- that the forward step is the first point of impact- again-great footage -one can really analyse the source of the problem with this.

[pleasantcat]

ok now i have to come clean and tell the truth....it was all fixed by the strategic placement of a dcb decal on my hull, a dcb cap on my head, and then he placed a dcb coozie on my beverage :mad:

[grahamgilly123]

Ah-that explains it. As you’ve also no doubt grown the DCB centre pod -now you’ve got watch you don’t trip and stuff it in anything over 3 footers

[Craig]

No center pod yet, but Chuck was working with him here on the proper attitude for greeting non-DCB boaters :p :p
http://www.justanothertoy.com/photogallery/06Boys/P5135693a.jpg

[grahamgilly123]

hmmmm -Well P-Cat I guess you get an equal dose of this

[pleasantcat]

the hardest part was not waving to people. its so much work to be concieted. :crossx:

[roln 20s]

the hardest part was not waving to people. its so much work to be concieted. :crossx:
That's funny right there :) :D That video was crazy Sean, glad its running good. It must have been doing something right since we all left Moabi at the same time and you were on the trailer when I got to Windsor...and I was "on the throttle" :)
See you on the water soon.

[Havasu Hangin']

No center pod yet, but Chuck was working with him here on the proper attitude for greeting non-DCB boaters :p :p
http://www.justanothertoy.com/photogallery/06Boys/P5135693a.jpg
Why is it the Arizona people always have the funkiest tans? :supp:

[Donnie]

I don't think Chuck can tan thru all that FUR :jawdrop:

[pleasantcat]

i never got a chance to have any sun on my body with a broken boat.besides, i wasnt trying to lure you in hh

[pleasantcat]

hmmmm -Well P-Cat I guess you get an equal dose of this
huh???

[Havasu Hangin']

i never got a chance to have any sun on my body with a broken boat.besides, i wasnt trying to lure you in hh
Hey...don't try to recruit me into the Gayizona Club. :supp:
I guess the gay farmers must have unique "outfits" so their farmer's tans stand out in the parade?
:cry:

[pleasantcat]

Hey...don't try to recruit me into the Gayizona Club. :supp:
I guess the gay farmers must have unique "outfits" so their farmer's tans stand out in the parade?
:cry:
this coming from someone in the land of fruits and nuts :cool:

[Havasu Hangin']

this coming from someone in the land of fruits and nuts :cool:
Don't look at me- I'm holdup in a bunker over here with a stash of weapons. I am a "third generation California redneck"...
:D

[Charley]

Holy crap this is funny!
http://www.justanothertoy.com/photogallery/06Boys/P5135693a.jpg

[pleasantcat]

charley, what did i not do it right? im still in training on the dcb code of conduct

[pleasantcat]

hey there hh why doesnt the music work on my video? im sure everyone can think of a good song to match the content.

[Havasu Hangin']

hey there hh why doesnt the music work on my video? im sure everyone can think of a good song to match the content.
I think the music costs extra on an AO (but it is standard on the Skater).
:cry:

[pleasantcat]

ok i'll call douglas and order some decals :crossx:

[pleasantcat]

think kroozin will teach me how to drive with my knees so i can hit the beer bong

[Havasu Hangin']

think kroozin will teach me how to drive with my knees so i can hit the beer bong
No problem- I actually invented that move, though.
BTW- when you step up to a 31' boat...you need to spend a couple dollars and ditch the 25' fenders.

[pleasantcat]

lol i hear ya :cry: i've been busy messin with other crap and dont realize my fender deal until im out on the water.

[Havasu Hangin']

lol i hear ya :cry: i've been busy messin with other crap and dont realize my fender deal until im out on the water.
And after you ditch the kiddy fenders, you need to make the new ones aren't tanner than you (like the old ones).
:D

[pleasantcat]

oh gawd dang it! im workin on the tan ok :D
i'll get the red ones that mark up everything ok