25 Daytona: Ready for the lake!

[SCOOTE69]

Ready for vinyl and paint. Too bad its 35 outside. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Outboards/P1250002.JPG
[ February 27, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[BIGAMIST]

Nice red X

[bigq]

here:
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250007.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250015.JPG

[SCOOTE69]

Thanks, let me try one again!
[ January 25, 2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[playdeep]

scoote69,
Did you buy your Daytona from Mike Tomlinson in Dallas?

[SCOOTE69]

Yes I did. He and geoff, who lurks here, have been great so far. Do you know them?
Im trying, and failing, to post a few more pics. They are in the reader ride stern drive section now.

[24ROD]

scoote69, Sweet looking Daytona!!!!!!! I can tell it's a blown motor, how big is it ? And who built it for you? What speeds are you looking for from this set up?

[SCOOTE69]

Thank you. Ill post more picks after its finished.
The engine is a Teague, 509ci with a 10-71 (with an extended 2 year warranty) attached to a Teague xr platinum drive. The boat ran 115 loaded, at altitude, and with 1 hour on the engine. Ive got a new mercury 5 blade on order and am hoping for 120 at sea level after its broken in.
[ January 25, 2003, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[Windy]

NICE...
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250016.JPG

[Windy]

http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250008.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250006.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1250003.JPG
MissHBjet~

[SCOOTE69]

Thanks for the nice words and help posting pics! Anyone in dallas is welcome to come for a ride as soon as it warms up a bit. The boat should be done in a week--assuming my girlfriend and I agree on the final graphic design.

[Washed Ashore]

Sweet ride,I hope you dont mean vinyl graphic's,that boat is to awsome for vinyl!!

[playdeep]

Scoote69,
I talked to Mike a couple of days ago..
Being an official with the APBA he always has good dirt on what really goes on with offshore racing.
BTW,very nice boat,Is that a single or twin step?
[ January 25, 2003, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: playdeep ]

[SCOOTE69]

Its a single Teague with a platinum xr drive. You're right, Mike has a lot of the "scoop" and a great job. He just got back from key west for some super light races and befor that he was at loto with a group trying to go 200 mph-- they got snowed out though.

[SCOOTE69]

Its a single Teague with a platinum xr drive. You're right, Mike has a lot of the "scoop" and a great job. He just got back from key west for some super light races and befor that he was at loto with a group trying to go 200 mph-- they got snowed out though.

[24ROD]

SCOOTE69, Once again nice ride!!!! Do you plan on just runnin her in Texas? Or are we going to get a glimpse of her at Havasu this Spring?

[SCOOTE69]

Im embarassed to say that I dont own a tow rig! We are planning on borrowing a friend's and taking it up to Texoma but Im not sure anyone is going to lend me their truck for a week so we can do a west coast trip. Im still hopeful and will try and do plan on getting a ride in tobteks new boat too!

[SCOOTE69]

Hey Tob, can you lend me a nice new X5 to tow my boat around? Please???
[ January 26, 2003, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[Risky Business]

Hi Scoote:
I just took delivery of my 25 Daytona a few months ago (HP500 with Whipple). I am only seeing 83-89 mph depending on load, water, wind, etc. I noticed your Gimble is just about touching the rub rail. Mine is about an inch below the rail. Just curious as to the length of your drive and plane time. I'm thinking about putting a 2 inch shorter lower, but don't want to sacrafice too much on take off. Any thoughts?
Eric

[Charley]

nice job scoot that thing ought to help you live up to yer screen name :D ...what graphics/paint?any drawings?>

[gmnhra]

risky business...
i am with you on your question...my 25 daytona with an 800hp whippled 540 turning a 30 pitch bravo runs a solid 100mph but not much more..
it would be interesting to know what makes this rig that much faster.....

[fat rat]

Very nice ride scoote69. My buddy is has a 97, 25 Daytona single step, 600sc w/intercooler and upgraded cam, running 108mph. Last time I spoke with him he was mounting up a new lower unit from Teague.......the Bravo couldn't take the pressure.

[SCOOTE69]

Having zero seat time Im not sure about planing, top end, x dimension, etc. But a few things: I have a 2 step hull, rather than a 1 step. Thats supposed to be good for 2 mph or so. The drive is the teague platinum xr which has some internal buffs but (I think) no changes to the outer measurments--Ill check and let you all know. If you need exact measurments on the drive placement let me know.
I was not in the boat when tested but I have no reason to doubt Mike's claim of 115mph, as he is taking me on my maiden voyage in texas and we will have the gps there to make sure Im getting the exact same, if not better, top end as the test. When I spoke to bob teague last year to discuss an engine he also guaranteed 114 on a gps, as he has several of this engine in 25 daytonas. I have a 1.36 drive, are you using a 1.5? Let me know what else you are running and I can see if my set up differs at all. Then Ill post my texas speed numbers as soon as I get 10 hours on the boat.
As an aside, if you read this month's Powerboat they test a 26 daytona, which is a lot bigger boat, with a teague 1000 and got over 120.

[Craig]

Scoot,unless things have changed with the 2003 bottoms, I've always heard the one step bottom is faster then the two step. A couple of friends have each different style and this seerms to hold true from what we've seen. They made the two step to try and get rid of some of the minor midrange porpoise.
Either way, it's still a beautiful set up. So used to seeing the Daytonas with the lightning bolts, the all white look is unique.
[ January 26, 2003, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Craig ]

[SCOOTE69]

Charley, if it turns out they way we want, we are going with a spiderman theme front with some "rips" in the side fading/ripping to white or to yellow then white. Hence, the reason for using mostly vinyl, we couldnt decide on a gel/paint job so we want to be able to channge it--both for us and for resale. If youve seen the spiderman nintendo/playstation game box with his eye on it thats essentially the fron--but with 2 eyes and a relection of clouds in them.
Check out my latest post in the reader rides stern drive section.
http://free.***boat.net/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives&image=spidie.JPG&img=&tt= http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/tn_spidie.jpg

[SCOOTE69]

Craig, I love the white too, and the lightning bolts and too many other ideas, so Im likely going to change it every year or so. I was actually thinking of all white with just a cool asian letter or design on the front but decided to go with something really different. Stay tuned for picks! ( I plan on being able to actually post them here after just 100 more tries--Im a little slow)

[SCOOTE69]

Here is the basic theme of the boat once its finished. This will be on the top and front sides and then rip/fade to white (and maybe yellow) on the sides and stern. Thanks to Wayne for the posting help. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/spidie.JPG
[ January 26, 2003, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[fat rat]

SCOOTE69:
Here is the basic theme of the boat once its finished. This will be on the top and front sides and then rip/fade to white (and maybe yellow) on the sides and stern. Thanks to Wayne for the posting help. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/spidie.JPG :confused:

[roln 20s]

The engine is a Teague, 509ci with a 10-71 (with an extended 2 year warranty) attached to a Teague xr platinum drive. Hey Scoote60,
Is that the 800 HP Teague package? And how did you get that 2 yr warranty? Extra $$$$$?
I love the boat, congrats!
Roln 20s

[SCOOTE69]

thank you. yes, its the teague 800. extra bucks got a 2 year warranty on the engine and 1 full year on the drive.

[roln 20s]

Damn man- a 2 year warranty on that engine, sounds like a killer deal to me. That might be my engine of choice when I get a boat. Thats sweet. A 2yr warranty on a blower motor, I can hardly believe it- technology and $$$$$ is great
Roln 20s

[SCOOTE69]

Teague was one of the very few willing to do that. He is very confident that it will last 200-300 hours before it even needs to be freshened up, and a lot longer before it needs a rebuild. We will see!

[Risky Business]

Scoote:
Just walked out the last of the Bucaneer fans from my house.
I am running the 1.36 gear with an estimated 625 HP. I have the single step and have been told the same as Craig. It's supposed to be a few ticks faster than the twin step but does have a mild porpoise at 65-70. I have access to a 2 inch shorter IMCO lower and might try that this coming weekend. I may also try a friends 1.50 drive and give that a try. I did talk to a guy in Havasu over New Years and he picked up 6 mph with a 2 inch lower. Has trouble planing though. I definitely don't want a planing problem and that't why I was wondering what your experience has been.
Any other opinions out there? I was really hoping my HP and Whipple would be a lock for a solid 90. Maybe it just needs more set up??????

[SCOOTE69]

Risky, Ive sent an email to mike and geoff to see what they think about your top end. You may want to post a question on eliminator's new boards on their website. They answer questions there fairly quickly. Who set up your drive and prop and are you sure youre getting 625 hp? I suspect that unless youre over propped going to a 1.50 may slow you down. In any event, im sure there are many folks on this board who know a lot more than I, but Im happy to use my boat as a test and give you input. Im getting a 5 blade prop soon and will be going through the same setup trial and error so maybe we can help each other out. Ill post planing time and other info as soon as i get out on the lake.Let me know if I can help or if you need specifics on my boat.

[Risky Business]

Thanks Scoote:
I didn't know Eliminator had new boards, so I'll have to check them out.
The reason that I may try the 1.50 is that I have a friend who has a 26 Daytona. His original motor was a 540, 550 HP or so. The thing wouldn't do 80 and he thinks it was the 1.36 gears. He has since put in a 900 HP blower motor and sees well over 100.
With my set up and 28 pitch prop I will get 4600 to 5,000 RPM. The thing just really seems to be wind and water sensitive. Weight doesn't seem to be mch of an issue.
Nevertheless, I am going to try one thing at a time. Drive, prop and gears. If all else fails I'll just have to ask the wife to go back to work so I can build a new motor. Yeah right.......

[Jrocket]

OK...first off theres gonna be a guy in here asking about checkers on the boat pretty soon!!! :D :D Just ignore him..... :D
BTW...I like your a set up.Nice job!! :)

[bigq]

Jrocket:
OK...first off theres gonna be a guy in here asking about checkers on the boat pretty soon!!! :D :D Just ignore him..... :D
BTW...I like your a set up.Nice job!! :) Damn checkers are out now? jawdrop

[tsnave]

Hey Risky! Try a Blackhawk drive on your boat. I gaurentee you will pick up MPH and maybe even get rid of that porpoise. They're a little quirky around the docks, but a small price to pay for the performance gain. Talk to Lance at Eliminator...

[TOBTEK]

SCOOTE69:
Hey Tob, can you lend me a nice new X5 to tow my boat around? Please??? Id get ya a new X5, but I dont think its rated to pull that kind of weight. Now the Ford 150 supercrew in the driveway could. Id make you a smokin deal :D pocket change for your avarage ESQ. Congrats on your new Daytona. I personaly like it all white..looks very classy.

[SCOOTE69]

Tob, are you saying that the X5 is just a fast fancy looking station wagon for the soccer mom crowd? Oh well.
Have you ever seen the old lamborgini lm007? I think they stopped making it in the late 80's. it was the hummer of its day--500hp v12 and mean looking.
[ January 27, 2003, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[TOBTEK]

SCOOTE69:
Tob, are you saying that the X5 is just a fast fancy looking station wagon for the soccer mom crowd? Oh well.
Have you ever seen the old lamborgini lm007? I think they stopped making it in the late 80's. it was the hummer of its day--500hp v12 and mean looking. the X5 is rated to pull 5500 pounds. I sure wouldnt do it though. And YES its a soccer mom car! deffinitly a CHICK CAR! is the vinyl done yet? did you go LARGE on the stereo? always keep in mind that more is good :D

[Charley]

Teague does make a good motor...no doubt .... and a 2 year warranty is impressive assuming you din't pay a whole hell of a lot! Now I'm not trying to plug Larry's Engine and Marine here but Larry is giving me 1 year or 100 hour warranty on my motors included in his original price...I was pleasantly surprised when I heard that!

[mikey]

TOBTEK:
SCOOTE69:
Hey Tob, can you lend me a nice new X5 to tow my boat around? Please??? Id get ya a new X5, but I dont think its rated to pull that kind of weight. Now the Ford 150 supercrew in the driveway could. Id make you a smokin deal :D pocket change for your avarage ESQ. Congrats on your new Daytona. I personaly like it all white..looks very classy. The X5 is rated for 6000 lbs, even with the 3.0. I have the X5 3.0 with auto trans and my brother has the Ford 150 Supercrew with the 5.4 and auto trans. The X5 will out accelerate the Ford till about 80, but not my much. Even when towing the X5 will match the power of the 5.4 Ford. Check the X5 forum at Roadfly.org . Lot of discussion about towing with the X5.
Mike

[FASTERDAMITT]

I don't think your single or double steps make a difference since thier not in the water a top speed anyway unless your only runnin 75mph. Mine is cleary dry at speed. Just ask RiverDave on this topic!

[Risky Business]

FASTERDAMITT:
I don't think your single or double steps make a difference since thier not in the water a top speed anyway unless your only runnin 75mph. Mine is cleary dry at speed. Just ask RiverDave on this topic! Good Point.

[Craig]

I've always wondered about that point. I'm not an engineer, but I know when it comes to fluid dynamics, air acts as a fluid. Could that be the reason?

[MOPAR2YA]

FASTERDAMITT:
I don't think your single or double steps make a difference since thier not in the water a top speed anyway unless your only runnin 75mph. Mine is cleary dry at speed. Just ask RiverDave on this topic! I agree as well, good point :)
BTW, Where you been :D
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Forum_Graphic_Depot/tn_01-27-2003_07;57;27PM.JPG
BTW, Don't you wish you were here :)
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Forum_Graphic_Depot/tn_01-27-2003_07;55;42PM.JPG
Gettin ready to ride in this :cool:
[ January 27, 2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: MOPAR2YA ]

[mike37]

SCOOTE69
NICE...
letts see some graphics/paint drawings

[airedout]

Scoote, nice boat! Just a word of caution using vinyl graphics. The white gel coat will turn a little yellow in the sun over time. If you decide to remove the stickers, the gel coat will be very bright where the stickers were and could look a little odd. Good Luck.

[mbrown2]

Good looking rig Scoot....engine and rigging looks good as well....need to post some pics when you get the graphics done.

[Whipple Charged]

Risky bizz, get that X dimension up at least 2" from where you have it, you can then go to the 5 blade heiring prop and I swear you'll pick up big mph. I have one customer in AK that has a 25 daytona, 454 mag with SC, 8lbs. of boost and best ever was around 88-90mph, with 2" shorty, 2 pitches bigger 4 blade prop, it ran 98-99mph. If your gimble is not exactly at the rub rail, it's too low for sure, I've worked on a lot of 25's. With the SC, big prop, you'll have no problem with planning, if you do, the 5 blade will get right up. You want to run the 5 blade with a real high x.
Thanks,
Dustin

[pleasantcat]

i agree, my drive is at the rubrail and i run a shorty( drive that is eek! ) and i plain out pretty well. i'm spinning a 28 labbed bravo and i've topped out at 93gps bbc carbed no blower.

[Risky Business]

Dustin:
Thanks for the tips. I have a 2 inch shorter that a friend will let me try. So...I'll try it. If the hole shot suffers, then the 5 blade may be in my future.
Eric

[Barry1784]

It's definitely white :)

[TOBTEK]

scoot......where are the finished pic's? has to be done by now...........

[SCOOTE69]

Its still not done Tob. Ive been too busy at work. Not that it matters--its 21 degrees and snowing right now. Here are some updated photos:
Mock-up of front
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2050002-med.JPG
Done but for eyes
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2240021-med.JPG
another view
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2240032-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2240028-med.JPG
side view
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2240023-med.JPG
close up
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2190020-med.JPG
Im not quite happy with the sides so they will change and the eyes will be much bigger and darker. These pictures don't do the artwork credit. Ill post final shots this week as it should be done by friday for some lake time on saturday. I hope all is well with you!
[ February 24, 2003, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[mbrown2]

That thing looks pretty wild...good job.

[SCOOTE69]

Thanks MB but I cant take any credit (or blame!). I was going to do something like the 28' skater on the skater website, but my girlfriend talked me into doing something different. So I had a contest for friends, family and coworkers--whomever draws the best design gets a trip to cancun. My nephew came up with the idea, and the guys at Skinz here in dallas ran with it. It is definately different!
We are working with reflective vinyl for the eyes which will really stand out--the regular stuff looks like wet paint its so shiny but the reflective is almost like a mirror. Thank goodness I can take this stuff off.

[andy01]

First off it looks bad ass! That is one wild idea. Second how hard was it to apply and lay all of that out? And last but not least, did you say it is 20 outside and snowing and that you were going boating this weekend?
Andy

[SCOOTE69]

Yep its 21 right now but its a once in a decade cold front. Normal high for dallas is in the 60's. It's supposed to be 65 this weekend. And because I have not logged 1 hour on the boat, Im anxious to say the least.
Putting the vinyl on was about a 2-3 day job for 2 very very experienced guys. The boat has a lot of subtle curves that require careful aplication. The design took about 20 hours with a very talented guy using photoshop. If you look closely you will see a ton of detail like shadows, highlights, and 3D effects. If you're not wrapping around curved areas its a quick and easy job. They can design and apply flames, bolts, etc in no time.
[ February 24, 2003, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[Reaper1]

That is one crazy paint job! I like it, it's different. They should use it in the next movie. wink

[tsnave]

What is the lifespan of this type of print on vinyl in the sun, etc? Also, I am curious as to what the cost is for a job like this. You have to admit, this is pretty awesome for vinyl. I to have an all white boat, waiting for graphics. I would like to talk to the guys who did your boat scoote. Hook me up!

[24ROD]

Scoote69, Looks way bad ass!!! Wild yea but bad ass none the less.... :cool:

[Cole]

That is some pretty wild graphics there young man!!!! i will be curious to see how it will do in the water and the sun!! i'll have to hand it to you....LOOKS GREAT!!!!
ps; how much does something like that cost??Cole

[SCOOTE69]

Vinyl is warranteed for 5 years. Its very thick and actually protects the gel coat. If it rips, which they tell me it wont as long as I dont crash the boat or wear high heals on it, you just cut that piece out and replace it. My job was about 6k, which was about the price for eliminator's upgraded gel coat (which couldnt come close to this design). If you want some tribal flames, bolts or something simple its a lot cheaper. The nicest thing about this is you can do anything you can imagine and try it out on the boat before you are stuck with it. Even then you can change it every year if you want. Ill let you know next year how it holds up to the elemnets.
The guys that did my boat are Skinz. Their number is 800 707 1008. Burl is the boss and Robby is the guy that did my gesign. They use J. Perez to install the vinyl. Let me know if you need deatiled info. I learned a lot about this process and can make it a lot easier for anyone that is considering it.

[Charley]

Totally Wild V- Job.... that thing will turn some heads! Good job!

[BlownHowardCat]

wow.....that is bad asssssssss

[HavasuDreamin']

I have to admit that I had my reservations when you first posted what you were going to do. Now that I have seen it, I think it looks much better than I originally thought. Two thumbs up for the creative thinking, you have an original. :cool:
[ February 27, 2003, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: HavasuDreamin' ]

[XTRM22]

That is totally Bad Ass!! I'm usually not a huge fan of the real wild or extremely personalized gelcoats, but with the vinyl if you ever want to sell it or it starts feeling dated, just change it! Way To Go!
Chuck

[hot_diggity_dog]

Nice job :)
Should look really creeping watching those eyes come at you at 100MPH eek! eek!
HDD :cool:

[25 Eagle]

What will you use to protect the vinyl? Looks good!
[ February 27, 2003, 09:01 AM: Message edited by: 25 Eagle ]

[SCOOTE69]

Thanks for all the nice words. Here are the final pics of the eyes. If anyone is thinking about vinyl, please let me know and Id be happy to tell you what Ive learned. In terms of protection/care, its just soap and water once in a while--no waxing needed! http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2270010-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2270008-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/522/154P2270012-med.JPG

[superV]

Looks very Good! :D Congrats... I still like the all white but thats me! What does the name mean or stand for?

[WetWillie]

hot_diggity_dog:
Nice job :)
Should look really creeping watching those eyes come at you at 100MPH eek! eek!
HDD :cool: I am likeing your new Avatar!
WW eek!

[Sigus]

Scoote
That was an amazing transformation. Keep us posted on how the vinyl holds up. That concept can take a dated boat and bring it into the new millennium. Thanks for sharing the photos.
Big Sig

[WetWillie]

Scoot,
Got any pics out in the sun? So we can see the finished piece in daylight?
WW wink
[ March 02, 2003, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: WetWillie ]