Msd any competition?????????

[a catered life]

i really want to put a new ingition system on my 454 in the next few weeks but the expensive price of the msd in scaring me off a little....is there any other company that delivers close to the the same performance as the msd without the bite in the pocket? or is there a place i can order the msd system cheaper

[FASTRAT]

i really want to put a new ingition system on my 454 in the next few weeks but the expensive price of the msd in scaring me off a little....is there any other company that delivers close to the the same performance as the msd without the bite in the pocket? or is there a place i can order the msd system cheaper
i would shop around for a magneto!...i have seen a couple on: www.racingjunk.com IMO they are better than a msd & there self-contained (only need the battery to start) i have 1 & love it
fastrat

[Unchained]

Look through a Summit or a Jegs catalog.
There are a lot of good units out now that are less than an MSD.
I would go for a digital ignition box if I had to get a new one now.

[bordsmnj]

i understand that the failier rate of msd 6m-2 boxes is like 40% or worse.

[a catered life]

i understand that the failier rate of msd 6m-2 boxes is like 40% or worse.
40% thats unacceptable thanks

[HP350SC]

Check out Crane HI-6M here....http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browseParts&lvl=4&prt=65
MSD 6M-2 to Crane comparison...scroll down a little
http://www.cranecams.com/?show=article&id=12

[Rexone]

i understand that the failier rate of msd 6m-2 boxes is like 40% or worse.
That number sounds like one out of a hat. I'd like to see it substantiated. Do you actually think "any" race team would run MSD products if the failure rate was 40% or worse?
MSD rep tells me it's under 5% and many of those are due to bad grounds or loose hot feeds based on what they find in the boxes when they do autopsies. One thing when running a MSD 6 box, you better have good solid conductive connections or it will kill the box.
The MSD ready to run Marine distributor is also an excellent choice for non-killer type motors turning around 5500 rpm or less. It costs much less than the 6 box, billet dist combo. It has no seperate box.
BTW Rex sells at the same price as Summit or Jegs on MSD.

[YeLLowBoaT]

BTW Rex sells at the same price as Summit or Jegs on MSD.
is there a "Price cap" on MSD... every one has them for the same price. +/- a few cents.. $xxx.99, $xxx.98, $xxx.97... Or is it market based? Even when they have "super deals" and won't show you the price till you add it to your cart, they are always the same price. Just one of those things I have always wondered.

[Rexone]

is there a "Price cap" on MSD... every one has them for the same price. +/- a few cents.. $xxx.99, $xxx.98, $xxx.97... Or is it market based? Even when they have "super deals" and won't show you the price till you add it to your cart, they are always the same price. Just one of those things I have always wondered.
MSD is MAP (minimum advertised priced) and they enforce it strictly. Any account advertising it for less than MAP no longer sells MSD. It's that simple. MAP pricing is a good thing for the MSD distributors. Before MAP we made around $2 (seriously) on a MSD6A box competing with Jegs/Summit because they could buy truckloads and sit on them after price increases, get dating terms to pay way out, etc. Many popular part numbers were similar to the above example. MSD was losing lots of distributor support over it. Reduced distribution through a hand full of giant discounters isn't good for any manufacturer. MAP started the beginning of 05 with MSD.
Anyone who thinks distributors are getting rich because the product costs a lot is simply misinformed. The max MAP is about 25 points and many popular items are less than that. It's ok but certainly not a big profit center like some envision I think.

[bordsmnj]

i like the looks of that Crane unit. how much does one of those go for? are they a direct swap out for the 6m-2? 6m-2's just don't do it for me any way you slice it .

[182011]

i understand that the failier rate of msd 6m-2 boxes is like 40% or worse.
wow! I would like to see the data to support this outragous claim. I believe that 99% of a msd or crane failure would be due to improper instalation,The other 1%would be due to extreme heat and or vibration.

[DEL51]

MSD is MAP (minimum advertised priced) and they enforce it strictly. Any account advertising it for less than MAP no longer sells MSD. It's that simple. MAP pricing is a good thing for the MSD distributors. Before MAP we made around $2 (seriously) on a MSD6A box competing with Jegs/Summit because they could buy truckloads and sit on them after price increases, get dating terms to pay way out, etc. Many popular part numbers were similar to the above example. MSD was losing lots of distributor support over it. Reduced distribution through a hand full of giant discounters isn't good for any manufacturer. MAP started the beginning of 05 with MSD.
Anyone who thinks distributors are getting rich because the product costs a lot is simply misinformed. The max MAP is about 25 points and many popular items are less than that. It's ok but certainly not a big profit center like some envision I think. Thanks for the insight Rexone!

[DEL51]

i like the looks of that Crane unit. how much does one of those go for? are they a direct swap out for the 6m-2? 6m-2's just don't do it for me any way you slice it .
They are very similar and have compatibility. they will run about 40 bucks less.

[HP350SC]

Crane HI-6M can trigger off the superior Hall effect Merc. distributor(which does not corrode up like the POS billet MSD magnetic trigger distributor) 6 or 7 built in advance curves, built in diagnostics, built in rev-limiter, input for spark retard etc. No comparison to 6M-2 MSD IMO.
Buy the Crane, and replace the stock plug wires with some decent ones like 8mm Taylor. No need to spend the money on the distributor.

[TurboNova]

I have used MSDs products for many years; they have been by far the best support I have gotten from any manufacturer. They have sent me free stuff when I needed it, talked with me on the phone at the race track helping with the programming of my digital 7 box and boost controller. In my opinion there isn't a better company for standing behind their product. They have really treated me well. I have also found that most problems come from user install or time in the weather in a non sealed unit non marine unit.

[superdave013]

MSD is MAP (minimum advertised priced) and they enforce it strictly. Any account advertising it for less than MAP no longer sells MSD. It's that simple. MAP pricing is a good thing for the MSD distributors. Before MAP we made around $2 (seriously) on a MSD6A box competing with Jegs/Summit because they could buy truckloads and sit on them after price increases, get dating terms to pay way out, etc. Many popular part numbers were similar to the above example. MSD was losing lots of distributor support over it. Reduced distribution through a hand full of giant discounters isn't good for any manufacturer. MAP started the beginning of 05 with MSD.
Anyone who thinks distributors are getting rich because the product costs a lot is simply misinformed. The max MAP is about 25 points and many popular items are less than that. It's ok but certainly not a big profit center like some envision I think.
Mike, did you read the rant about places not following MAP in the back of this months PRI magazine? They didn't come right out and name the names but it didn't take much to figure out who they were talking about.
I had a rep in there a few weeks ago wanting me to pick up their product line. I looked over the pricing and then jumped on Summit's web site to compare. They are selling it less then Jobber and I'm expected to get list. So I called Mr. Rep back and asked him to come by and maybe we could get things rolling. When he came buy I said NO DEAL I showed him Summitt's web site.

[Rexone]

No I haven't read it yet but I will. In some cases MAP is back of Jobber somewhat.

[stompnstang]

That number sounds like one out of a hat. I'd like to see it substantiated. Do you actually think "any" race team would run MSD products if the failure rate was 40% or worse?
MSD rep tells me it's under 5% and many of those are due to bad grounds or loose hot feeds based on what they find in the boxes when they do autopsies. One thing when running a MSD 6 box, you better have good solid conductive connections or it will kill the box.
The MSD ready to run Marine distributor is also an excellent choice for non-killer type motors turning around 5500 rpm or less. It costs much less than the 6 box, billet dist combo. It has no seperate box.
BTW Rex sells at the same price as Summit or Jegs on MSD.
has to agree whole hearted with rex i have five 6-al boxes on different things and for the years i have used them only lost one and its was due to a bad power wire and ate the cost due to i have NEVER been let down by msd and at any time i had a question or problem they were on the phone and thank god i live right around the corner from jegs they were testing it when ever i thought it was the box to find out thats not what my problem was, so i guess my .02 cents is you get what you pay for

[poncho-pwr]

I agree on the MSD stuff getting a bad rap. I have had very little trouble with their products in any of my cars/trucks/dragsters/boats, nor have I had much trouble with them in customer's cars whenever the shop did the install. I have seen lots of boxes bite the bullet when they were installed improperly (wrong gauge wire, poor quality wire and or connectors, not properly grounded). That being said we have also had good look with the Crane boxes too.