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Boatcop
06-03-2006, 06:21 AM
People always claim that the only reason Police agressively pursue DUIs and OUIs is to raise revenue for cities and counties. This should put that notion to bed once and for all.
From the Havasu News:
Where does fine money go?
BY MICHAEL HAYS
Friday, June 2, 2006 11:04 PM MDT
Jeannette will be receiving a lot of checks soon. Her job at the city's Municipal Court office entails calculating and collecting fines levied by police officers.
With the Lake Havasu City Police Department arresting 261 people over the busy Memorial Day weekend for infractions ranging from flashing to fighting, Jeannette's office and the state of Arizona will be having a big pay day soon. Jeannette said she did not want her last name printed due to her job duties.
The city paid for extra officers from Kingman and Bullhead City to supplement LHC forces. The police estimate the cost for enforcement was between $10,000 and $12,000.
But just how much will the city be getting from the levying of fines?
Eighty percent of all money collected from Class 1 misdemeanor arrests goes to the state. Class 1 misdemeanors include underage consumption/possession of alcohol (by far the largest fraction of arrests over the weekend), indecent exposure, and disorderly conduct.
For example, if a 19-year-old from California pays a $420 fine for underage drinking, the city would see only $84. It should be noted that all counties in Arizona abide by the same rules concerning fine allocation.
Fines for operating watercraft under-the-influence (OUI) are steep, in some cases more than $2,000. The divvying of dollars here goes as follows:
$250 base fine
$205 surcharge
$500 prison construction fund (all going to the State of Arizona)
$500 DUI assessment (all going to the State of Arizona)
From this OUI fine totaling $1,455, the city of Lake Havasu receives $230, only 16 percent.
According to a state legislative Web site, monies in the prison construction fund are “subject to legislative appropriation and shall be used to pay for any costs related to prison overcrowding and department support and maintenance.”
Jeannette has seen extreme DUI fines more than $4,000. They result when the driver registers more than double the legal blood-alcohol limit of .08. In DUI cases, the city's proportion of payment shrinks further because an extra $250 DUI abatement is attached, all of which goes to the State of Arizona.
One hundred percent of fine money collected from drug charges goes to the state.
To further illustrate the point, police arrested 163 people for underage consumption/possession, indecent exposure, and disorderly conduct-all Class 1 misdemeanors. Of all the revenue collected from these arrests, the city receives just 20 percent.
From the city's standpoint, that 20 percent chunk goes to court operations. This is to offset the longer hours and added payroll resulting from processing 261 arrests, according to Gayle Whittle, Lake Havasu City's finance director. Any remainder goes to the city's general fund.
As for the added cost of officers for Memorial Day weekend, the department currently has eight vacancies for officers, so their budget has room for the extra staffing.
Acting Police Chief Dan Doyle and Lieutenant Rich Sloma could not be reached for comment for this story.

Not So Fast
06-03-2006, 06:51 AM
Just finished reading that :mad: That is just wrong man, just wrong. Are all states as f---ed up as Arizona on this matter??? :confused: NSF

RandyH
06-03-2006, 06:58 AM
Typical City Government BS and propaganda. Run it with regular staff , within budgets and when the riots start let the national gaurd pay to clean it up.
163 underage drinkers and tittie flashers. Congratulations.

Flyinbowtie
06-03-2006, 07:17 AM
Yes, most states are like that.
The days where law enforcement could count on generating self-sustaining revenue by making arrests, writing tickets, etc, are long gone.
About 5 years ago, I was on the negotiating team for our sheriiff's management association, which is the bargaining unit for all sgt's. and above.
The county was giving us the usual gas about being broke, etc, so we decided to fund a complete audit of the county, to find out once and for all just exactly what the hell was going on. It cost our association over $5,000 to do it, but it was worth it.
Yes, they were lying, but what really was an eye-opener for me, both as a employee and a taxpayer was the fact that the Board of Supervisors has direct control and authority over exactly 27% of the revenue the county budget disburses annually.
The other 73% is absolutely untouchable. It is earmarked and appropriated for mandated state and federal programs that are unfunded, but that the county is mandated to run/fund/supervise.
So your local elected officials really don't have as much control as you might think. The state and the feds are really pulling the strings.

Roaddogg 4040
06-03-2006, 08:00 AM
The money still goes to The GOVERNMENT... Just splitting hairs which one gets how much... :boxed:
Steve

ThongMagnet
06-03-2006, 11:01 AM
If it were only a perfert world :argue:

buzzaro
06-03-2006, 11:17 AM
Wouldnt matter if they lost money, they would still arrest people for it. Its a "feel good" arrest, the cops arrest drinkers and everyone gets to feel good. Heres the equation: DUI=killing people=murderer=arresting a murderer. An oversimplification I know but its the distilled version of the story, all the stuff you need to get job done with none of the foo foo.

Not So Fast
06-03-2006, 11:28 AM
:confused: Wouldnt matter if they lost money, they would still arrest people for it. Its a "feel good" arrest, the cops arrest drinkers and everyone gets to feel good. Heres the equation: DUI=killing people=murderer=arresting a murderer. An oversimplification I know but its the distilled version of the story, all the stuff you need to get job done with none of the foo foo.
:confused: ????????????? HUH????????

Phat Matt
06-03-2006, 12:05 PM
Until I see this on the Discovery Channel it's not busted. :)

buzzaro
06-03-2006, 02:02 PM
:confused:
:confused: ????????????? HUH????????
Your reaction is kind of what I mean, its drilled into everyones head about how bad it is to drink and drive. Im not trying to make the case here that its really ok to do it and that theres a big government conspiracy. Im just saying that it is heavily targeted and marketed (for lack a better term) as a horrific crime, while speeding and running red lights are just as dangerous and occur more frequently. Basically I just think its overdone.

2Driver
06-03-2006, 06:28 PM
But not nearly as profitable as Boat Cop T-Shirt sales Huh? :D :D