Speed Limit On Havasu? [Archive]

Ziggy

07-07-2003, 11:48 AM

Havasu Cig:
HighRoller:
How can you guys be surprised about this rumor?How many posts have we seen on this board about people with boats that do 120,130,140 or 150?Calling out other boats,racing at over 120 with no safety equipment etc....I guess nobody remembers the HTM incident,a high speed twin engine boat that had a mechanical failure and killed four people as a result.I'm not trying to be a buzzkill,but how hard do you think the cops are gonna squeeze Havasu boaters if one of these 140mph hot rods crashes with no safety equipment and kills the occupants and/or other parties?? You make a good argument, but the fact is that Havasu will not exist without the money from the boaters. The family with the 40 mph bayliner is not spending the money in the city. Just my .02. Takes living boaters to spend money dude, regardless. Not interested in limiting speeds in Havasu so long as they do it at the right time and spot.

Havasu Cig

07-07-2003, 01:14 PM

Ziggy:
Havasu Cig:
HighRoller:
How can you guys be surprised about this rumor?How many posts have we seen on this board about people with boats that do 120,130,140 or 150?Calling out other boats,racing at over 120 with no safety equipment etc....I guess nobody remembers the HTM incident,a high speed twin engine boat that had a mechanical failure and killed four people as a result.I'm not trying to be a buzzkill,but how hard do you think the cops are gonna squeeze Havasu boaters if one of these 140mph hot rods crashes with no safety equipment and kills the occupants and/or other parties?? You make a good argument, but the fact is that Havasu will not exist without the money from the boaters. The family with the 40 mph bayliner is not spending the money in the city. Just my .02. Takes living boaters to spend money dude, regardless. Not interested in limiting speeds in Havasu so long as they do it at the right time and spot. The fact is that very few people are injured or killed in boating accidents in Havasu each year.
If they impose speed limits on the lake it won't matter because people will go elsewhere.

Three Days Only

07-07-2003, 01:48 PM

I hope it does not come down to speed limits. I belive the lake has been speed free for years and should contine to be that way. If it is imposed it will be like anywhere else, It's not illegal unless you get caught. How many of us actually tow 55 miles an hour to Havasu from LA, not me im normally going 80-85. Havent gotten pulled over yet! Knock on wood.

Three Days Only

07-07-2003, 02:08 PM

You make a good argument, but the fact is that Havasu will not exist without the money from the boaters. The family with the 40 mph bayliner is not spending the money in the city. Just my .02. This argument that the boaters are spending all the money in Havasu is good for now. We keep buying homes, paying top dollar fueling their economy. Havasuian are making a killing off us, and they only have to deal with us on the weekends. Home values have been going thru the roof the last few years and I do not belive they will be going down anytime soon. The town is growing, they have a Home Depot now, sooner or later Havasu will be self suffient. So what are we going to say then? We bring Alcohol, Pasties, Loud Music, & Carbon Monoxide Poisonings. Hopefully well all be too damn old then and it won't matter. Im not a tree hugger!! I contribute to four above rules of Havasu, devil except for the pasties, they wont go on my man tits. I just know where all this shit goes. Sooner or later we will get shut down. I cant even drive my truck without a seat belt anymore!!!! LOL cry
[ July 07, 2003, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Three Days Only ]

Skullinator

07-08-2003, 08:55 PM

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HighRoller

07-08-2003, 09:06 PM

The town is growing, they have a Home Depot now, sooner or later Havasu will be self suffient. So what are we going to say then? Good question.Seems all the bad behavior is catching up with the Havasewer crowd.Not to sound insensitive,but somebody please PM me when Havasu becomes so regulated that nobody wants to go there anymore.It'll be just like when I started going there 32 years ago.....

AzDon

07-12-2003, 05:01 PM

Havasu is fully self sufficient now and to be honest, it's only a vocal minority of merchants who would miss the debauchery, noise, attitude, crowding, boozing, PWC's, oceangoing sized boats and other diseases that can be found most Thursday and Friday nights driving like total lunatics on Rice Rd. Most of us who live here feel invaded on the weekends and use our boats during the week if we can. I think that some of the folks that show up here with big boats are more impressed with the money they spend than most of the locals are!
[ July 12, 2003, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

Havasu Luvr

07-12-2003, 05:50 PM

AzDon,
You make me laugh enough to Shit my Pants. I take it you're a "Native Arizonian" since you talk like you own part of the State of Arizona ie ( Lake Havasu City)from the way you talk in this thread. I believe a good portion of your residents use to be
the debauchery, noise, attitude, crowding, boozing, PWC's, oceangoing sized boats and other diseases that can be found most Thursday and Friday nights driving like total lunatics on Rice Rd. maybe you use to be one of them and you may have forgotten about it. I feel for you and the people you represent as feeling
invaded on the weekends and use our boats during the week if we can. Our intent is NOT to inconvience you and the people of Lake Havasu on ANY given day, but I am still alittle confused as to the true intent of you response, is it really the "Diseased Lunatics" that drive Rice Rd on Thurs/Friday nights or the mere fact that you have a problem with the Size of Our Vessels? (penis envy?) I really dont know. Either way, I feel there is more to your attitude then you let on. Maybe an added session with your Phych will help alleve the personal conflict from within. Maybe someday we can both sit in the channel and enjoy the true reason we both boat in Havasu. Until then...."CHILL OUT" :D

Jrocket

07-12-2003, 06:56 PM

HL http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy03.gif

HighRoller

07-12-2003, 07:25 PM

Actually HL,I think anyone who has to bring a 35 foot boat to the river or a medium size lake is the one with penis envy.The ocean is the other way,Sonny Crockett.I can identify with Don,at least on this issue.I watch every weekend in the summer as people flood into this town and although it's not as bad as Havasu it's still bad.People from Cali for the most part think they are better than everyone else.They drive carelessly,park where they want,throw their trash on the ground and in the river etc...In the casinos they either act like complete buffoons or act like they are rock stars.On the river they drive just like they do in their cars...shitty. Don't get me wrong,I've met a hell of a lot of nice people from Cali,but here's the difference.You never notice nice people because they don't attract attention to themselves.It wouldn't break my heart if the road to Needles fell into a sinkhole and Hwy 163 got turned into a toll road.100 bucks each way for non-nevada residents.We'll see just HOW bad they want to come here!!! :D

Havasu Hangin'

07-12-2003, 07:49 PM

Ok...I'll jump in.
HighRoller:
Actually HL,I think anyone who has to bring a 35 foot boat to the river or a medium size lake is the one with penis envy.Actually, times are changing- boats are bigger now. My little 23' boat was one of the largest boats when she was made.
The size of the boats has more to do with changing times, than "penis envy" (although I do wish my boat was a little larger...hmmmm...)
HighRoller:
...They drive carelessly,park where they want,throw their trash on the ground and in the river etc...In the casinos they either act like complete buffoons or act like they are rock stars.On the river they drive just like they do in their cars...shitty...Well, I agree people act different than at home. Me too. You know why? CUZ I'M ON VACATION.
When people are on vacation, they tend to let off steam. I'm sure you guys that live there let off a little steam when you go to Mexico, or wherever you go on vacation.
Believe it or not, you guys live in a town that was built as a vacation destination. Why was the bridge brought there? To get people over a patch of desert?
Why were the casinos built? To offer the locals cheap buffets?
No, those towns were built to bring people to them. When that happens, people are usually on vacation.
Now, if you guys don't like living in a vacation destination, then quit whining about the "good ole days" and do something about it. Vote to have them ship the bridge back to England. Start a campaign to tear down the casinos.
Or move. Come live by me. The 909 is not a vacation destination. We got room for you here.
Yes, there are idiots in every group. It's human nature. Now, are you whining about human nature? I don't think you'll be able to do anything about that, so you'd better stop the people from coming out there.
So I guess I'll be looking for those petitions. Better include one to stop the river flow while you're at it- cuz even if there isn't a bridge or casinos...
...I'm still gonna go boating there (and I may have a bigger boat).

Havasu Luvr

07-12-2003, 07:59 PM

First High Roller,
I am glad to see yet another HBF member that has lived in a city all their life. You have NEVER ventured outside your city limits to enjoy some one elses life style and inconvience them in their city. I am sure there are plenty of other residents througout this GREAT Nation saying much of the same thing you and a few other HBF Members have expressed. You need to understand that this is NOT a perfect world and there is a few that ruin it for the rest of us. People "Flood" to your town 24/7 365 days year and it is NOT just "Californians". I think if you actually conducted a survey that you will find that for the most part it is NOT
People from Cali for the most part think they are better than everyone else.They drive carelessly,park where they want,throw their trash on the ground and in the river etc... Remember one thing...All you people bitching about tourism and LIVE in a town that strives for TOURISM need to realize that you need to take the good over the bad. The State of Neveda's main financial ecomony is Gambling, from what I understand many of you locals dont gamble, therefore relaying on people like me to come to your city to drop my hard earned money so you may live your life with LESS local and state government taxes....You're WELCOME :D . Your advice about a tow-road has always crossed my mind every time I get behind a Nevada Lic Plate driving 48 MPH on a 70 MPH Hwy. Watchout ! ! ! California is a Fast Pace state.
"Incest is only Relative" wink
[ July 12, 2003, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Luvr ]

AzDon

07-12-2003, 08:19 PM

I'm on Rice rd about 6 times a week and all I can say is that people's behavior is on display just as it is when they arrive in Havasu with the attitude that the locals value the visitor's money more than our own solitude.It may surprise some of you to learn that a majority of locals would prefer that you take your money and your big boats somewhere else because antfarm crowding is what most moved here to escape and when the "i've got the money you need" attitude kicks in, it's a dealbreaker. The folks at Lake Havasu Marina tell me that the size of this attitude frequently coincides with the size of the boat, and they have chosen to "just say no" to ALL of the biggest boats. I moved from Cal 12 years ago and the place was much different when the big boats were 24s and there were fewer boats and PWCs on the lake. I would be happy to party and B.S. with any of you who will give me the time of day down by the water but I gotta warn you my boat is old, faded and small(21') and you'll only find me out on weekdays!
[ July 13, 2003, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

AzDon

07-12-2003, 08:31 PM

I guess what I'm trying to say is:
Lake Havasu is functioning as a self sufficient city now, so you no longer need to do us any favors by choosing to come here and spend your money....we'll be okay without it!

6 Dollar Boat

07-12-2003, 10:15 PM

AzDon, You should have moved to Kingman. I have to agree with HH, Havasu was built as a tourist town, and that's what you are stuck with. Just do me a favor and get the blue-hairs out of my way.

Havasu Hangin'

07-12-2003, 10:16 PM

AzDon:
Lake Havasu is functioning as a self sufficient city now, so you no longer need to do us any favors by choosing to come here and spend your money....we'll be okay without it! What do you mean by "self-sufficient"?
Is that your decision? If so, then go ahead and take away any reason for tourists to visit there. Send the bridge back, and get rid of the lake. Then, no one will go there.
However, I'm gonna bet a weeks pay ($20) that without tourist dollars, that town will dry up to 20,000 or so. I mean, how many chainsaws can you build there? Oh wait, they don't actually build them there anymore...my bad.
They build boats.
So if you really believe that Havasu doesn't need tourist (or boating) dollars, then I guess you haven't looked at what that town has to offer. Let's see...it's too far from any major cities to be a manufacturing hub...logistics would cost too much.
Unbearable heat...how much can you sell that for?
So once again, Don...since it's "your town"...what are the financials? Share with us your revenue plan for LHC (without tourist's dollars)?

AzDon

07-12-2003, 11:06 PM

:D :D :D
[ July 13, 2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

AzDon

07-12-2003, 11:21 PM

Come here and spend your money as you please and our merchants will provide the goods and services you are willing to pay for. It's called a fair trade! I'm just cautioning that those who think their dollars are greener than the next guy's are mistaken. The obnoxious part of the summer boating crowd provides an insignificant percentage of our overall yearly economy and that's a verifiable fact!
[ July 13, 2003, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

Havasu Hangin'

07-13-2003, 07:55 AM

AzDon:
A large part of Havasu's local economy is retirees and an even larger part is new construction for people who choose to move here for better lifestyle. These people are mostly early retirees. Well, I have to agree that the blue hairs are a growing group in Havasu. However, keep in mind that they are usually seasonal, and there are plenty of places that offer more than Havasu in the way of climate, housing, and special needs of these folks.
If you are going to rely you economy on the snowbirds, the town will be 20,000 strong real quick.
AzDon:
We also have a full retail economy and a fair amount of manufacturing, including boats, which would travel to be sold. Retail is part of an infrastructure to support the growth. I mean, people must have a place to shop. However, why are those people there?
Tourism (boating).
Take away the vacation destination crowd, and that town will shrink. Those retail, service, and housing jobs are all part of the growth of boating in Havasu.
If someone is building boats in Havasu, I'd bet a dollar that they are doing it because it's a boating mecca. They know that the mags and customers travel to Havasu as a boating vacation destination. Take away the boating, and I bet they'll leave.
The added shipping costs may be offset by cheap business operating costs. However, employees are another story. How many people would continue to live in LHC without boating available? I know very few people that live there year-round that don't have boating in thier lives in some way.
AzDon:
My job was created by the problems that California's environmentalism was causing chemical companies who wanted to establish rail transfer facilities there (thanks California!) I agree that California's enviromental laws have driven business from California. But to Havasu?
I would bet if you looked close, the only reason that a business opens in Havasu is boating (directly or indirectly). I'm sorry to break the news to you, but there are plenty of other cities in AZ that are just as "business friendly" as Havasu, but are much more desireable from a location standpoint.
The McCulloch's recognized it 40 years ago.
AzDon:
My point is that except for a vocal minority of specialized merchants, very few of Havasu's locals think that our summer visitors pay the full cost of the strain that they put on our infrastructure and lifestyle and we are insulted to hear it implied otherwise.In my conversation with the merchants I know, they estimate 80% of thier revenues are boating-related. Take away the boating, and those support goods and services will pack up & leave town. Hotels, resteraunts, shops, and all the vendors that support them will be gone.
Along with them, the tax revenues will be gone. No tax revenues equals no infrastructure. You guys will be back to black water out of the tap.
AzDon:
We are more than happy to have you bring your manners here and enjoy the place and spend as much or as little of your money as you wish. Just leave the millionaire/ rockstar attitude at home, we aren't impressed by your money! Don't expect society here to tolerate behavior or dress standards that wouldn't be a hit with your grandmother though, because many people's grandmothers live here and are offended by what they see when they take their poodle for a walk at the channel, and they write letters and vote! I personally can appreciate the beauty of naked women (arguing that hiding a string in your butt is being clothed is pointless with me!) but many of the ladies who live here are horrified by this display, especially the part where they have to explain it as something other than porn to their kids. Now, it sounds to me like this is a double-standard. A minute ago you said you don't want the boating dollars, but now you do. You now want the boating dollars, but not the human nature that comes with it. Are you trying to impress your morals on a group of vacationers? Good luck.
I remember when I was young, Palm Springs was the big Spring Break destination. Well, it got out of control, and the town clamped down. They made the decision to walk away from the Spring Break tourist's dollars, and still survived. However...
...I know Palm Springs, and LHC is no Palm Springs.
To your point earlier, there are plenty of other places to boat.

Havasu Luvr

07-13-2003, 08:33 AM

AzDon,
Maybe you are not up on all the insight with LHC. You stated,
The folks at Lake Havasu Marina tell me that the size of this attitude frequently coincides with the size of the boat, and they have chosen to "just say no" to ALL of the biggest boats. I frequently launch from Havasu Marina and on the 4th July it was posted 30' - 36' max use lane 7 only. So I assuming that you are referring to boats 37'+ as being the "BIGGER BOATS WITH ATTITUDE" :( and I thought I was included in this catagory.
You also state
I'm on Rice rd about 6 times a week and all I can say is that people's behavior is on display just as it is when they arrive in Havasu with the attitude that the locals value the visitor's money more than our own solitude I would have to included you as ONE of the Diseased lunatics drivers since you are aware of the conditions on Rice Rd. and YOU still choose to drive it.
I am guessing that you are in the age group of mid fifties. This would explain your attitude with tourism, Californians and bigger boats. This mentality is a dieing breed. The future of your fair city relies on our generation as your generation will soon be extinct (harsh but true). Stop having the mentality that this is YOUR city, YOUR lake, YOUR channel etc... If you and most of the residence wanted "Solitude" then you should have moved to Ashfork Az.
Another point,
I personally can appreciate the beauty of naked women (arguing that hiding a string in your butt is being clothed is pointless with me!) but many of the ladies who live here are horrified by this display, especially the part where they have to explain it as something other than porn to their kids.
I too appreciate the beauty of the human body and next time please take pictures of them in the channel.....I have yet to see a naked woman in the channel...my bad luck.and if there happens to be one then DONT LOOK. I dont think to many Grandmothers have to explain the their kids about nudity since it is there kids that are nude...We dont force you to watch reruns of Gilligans Island on your TV...you can either turn it off and change the channel. Your Right, "God Bless America".
I can go on and on but your scorn opinion and ignorence is wasting my time. Good luck convincing City Council to stop tourism since LHC is sooooo "Self Sufficient" Oh, and again Your Welcome wink

Jrocket

07-13-2003, 08:39 AM

And we all know how the blue hairs really dump the cash into the economy of Havasu! :rolleyes:

Charley

07-13-2003, 08:48 AM

All i know is if they put a speed limit on havasu they better have a police boat fast enough to pull up beside me cause I never say those lights officer :D

AzDon

07-13-2003, 09:01 AM

As for the boatbuilders, they moved here to escape California environmentalism also, but, yes, many boats are sold and demo'd here, the lake is part of their strategy. As to Rice rd. I drive it for income,not pleasure, and if I were part of the problem you'd read about it!
AND
I stand by my statement that the spent dollars of OBNOXIOUS visitors are insignificant to our economy! If you disagree with me, I guess you could round up all the OBNOXIOUS visitors and start a group boycott of Lk Havasu. I can be persuaded by hard evidence, but not by B.S.!
[ July 13, 2003, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

Havasu Hangin'

07-13-2003, 09:24 AM

AzDon:
If a bluehair from Havasu walked down your street with pasties and a string up her butt, and nothing else but flip flops and some beads, I believe you'd have her arrested! There is no reason you should expect to lower your standards of decency when you come to our community!Hey Don- if they are obeying the law (including the blue hair), and you don't like it...change the law. Right now, is there a law against a blue hair with pasties? No. So why arrest her?
Once again, it sounds like you are trying to force your morals on a group of people. If so, quit whining about it, and try to change the law.
Can I expect the petition soon?
AzDon:
I stand by my statement that the spent dollars of OBNOXIOUS visitors are insignificant to our economy! If you disagree with me, I guess you could round up all the OBNOXIOUS visitors and start a group boycott of Lk Havasu. I can be persuaded by hard evidence, but not by B.S.! Once again, are you defining "OBNOXIOUS"? I thought that's what we had laws for? Have you considered that others may not share your opinion?
So, let's say 20% of all boaters fit in your definition of "obnoxious". How do you plan on telling them to go somewhere else? You have to:
a). Change the laws to define and include "obnoxious" behavior, then enforce it.
or..
b). Put up with ALL boating dollars...even the "obnoxious" ones.
BTW, your merchants (gas, food, lodging, etc.) take my dollars..they don't even ask if I'm "obnoxious", so I guess they don't care.
So once again, if you are trying to change human nature, pass your moral judgements as law, and then enforce it (at the risk of revenue loss)...good luck. I'm waiting for you take some action. Run for mayor (or City Council)...start a petition. Do something about it.
Right now, it just sounds like whining cuz people don't act like you want them to.
To keep on topic, if speed limits are passed, I don't have anything to worry about.

PlayTime

07-13-2003, 09:49 AM

Can someone pass the popcorn. I need a soda and a candy bar too. This is better then going to the Movies. :D :D

Jrocket

07-13-2003, 10:13 AM

PlayTime:
Can someone pass the popcorn. I need a soda and a candy bar too. This is better then going to the Movies. :D :D Cheaper too. :D

riverliver

07-13-2003, 10:46 AM

Glad all this shit is going on in Havasu and not Parker !!!!
You can keep all those OBNOXIOUS over sized boats and there owners up there.. LOL
You guys are to frickin funny..
argue argue argue
:D wink

LAVEYSABRE575

07-13-2003, 11:00 AM

the blue hairs help the economy in havasu tremendously between 4 pm and 7 pm you can get the early bird special a meal for $5.99 otherwise known as the blue hair delight. Those early bird specials go a long way for the economy out there.Being that i live there 12 days out of every month i see alot of stuff during the winter like the restaurants and stores closing at 6 or 7 pm thats good for the economy oh i forgot homedepot open till 9 pm..Mr. azdon why is it the stores and restaurants and lets not forget your auto/boat dealerships are open so late during the spring and summer and i wll guarntee you your dealerships provide more tax revenue then anything else out there.I think its safe to say that lhc needs us big money spending spring and summer rock/star attitude boat scum to operate at the capacity it is now...

Havasu Luvr

07-13-2003, 11:28 AM

LMAO,
This is getting better
Hey HH
BTW, your merchants (gas, food, lodging, etc.) take my dollars..they don't even ask if I'm "obnoxious", so I guess they don't care. Awe, but do they ask you the "SIZE of Your Boat" that is the real issue...The bigger the Boat the bigger the Attitude. Do I have that right AzDon?
I agree with LAVEYSABRE575... We spend our money on $100.00 nights in hotels while BH's spend $29.00- $49.00 a night in a RV park. We spend enormous amount of money on beer/refreshments while BH's go to Wal-Mart and buy a case of bottled water. We spend enormous amount of money on Breakfast/Lunch and dinners in the restuarants and BH's look for the green tag specials in Food 4 Less and cook their meals. You're right Don, boating tourism is only a fraction of the revenue in LHC. :rolleyes:
Hey RiverLiver
riverliver
Glad all this shit is going on in Havasu and not Parker !!!!
You can keep all those OBNOXIOUS over sized boats and there owners up there.. LOL
You guys are to frickin funny..
I'm going to start a new thread...Titled: 21' - smaller considered "Lake Lice"? :D j/k
"Is Bigger Better"?
[ July 13, 2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Luvr ]

Havasu Hangin'

07-13-2003, 02:10 PM

Havasu Luvr:
Awe, but do they ask you the "SIZE of Your Boat" that is the real issue...The bigger the Boat the bigger the Attitude. Do I have that right AzDon?
Well, I guess I don't fit into AzDon's mold...I have a small boat, yet I am obnoxious! Maybe that's why nobody notices my attitude. Hmmmmm....
riverliver:
You can keep all those OBNOXIOUS over sized boats and there owners up there..Too late...as part of the Obnoxious (oversize boat) Desegregation Plan proposed by AzDon, they will now be bussing 50% of all obnoxious boaters to Parker.
At which point the La Paz County Sherrifs will be pulling them over for "safety inspections" and using police brutality for any violations (lifevests, horn, flame arrester, non-approved alternator, etc.). http://op6c.com/forums/html/emoticons/beat.gif
Good thing I have a small boat...maybe they won't notice my pasties...
[ July 13, 2003, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]

FastTimmy

07-13-2003, 02:25 PM

All I know is that the same rooms that I rent in the summer at, oh lets say the nuatical are 280.00 bucks in the summer and what, 89.00 bucks in the winter. They still say at the nuatical that they don't have enough revenue to finish the remodel. I wonder were they would get the money if I stopped staying there for 280.00 bucks per night.
Not to mention that there would be no one to do the work because all the construction works that only stay in Havasu for the chicks and boating would be gone. so who is going to get out there and swing the hammers, some 70 year old framer!! I don't think so.
Timmy

riverliver

07-13-2003, 02:44 PM

We are sending are La Paz County Sherrifs to LA for some police brutality training to make sure they **** you up the right way. jawdrop jawdrop

AzDon

07-13-2003, 03:54 PM

Some of you are going to continue to be impressed by the money you spend here and continue to believe that the locals are also because you believe some of them HONESTLY told you so.
And finally, I've allowed myself to say angrier things than I actually believe in order to make my point. I've deleted some of it, but if you wanna continue quoting it and calling me an ass, it's your right. I shoulda stopped before my posts turned goofy, but I didn't and I apologize!
[ July 13, 2003, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

LAVEYSABRE575

07-13-2003, 04:07 PM

Mr AZ im not sure if your a BH or not so i well continue to call you MR. out of respect for my elders, your last reply has nothing to do with the constructive argument that is happening on this thread.What the hell are you talking about we are impressed with are spending were talking about LHC economy based on what the boating community brings to OUR city LHC.It sounds to me like your impressed with what we spend being the rock/star bad attitude person i am i believe you should thank all of us.The next time you see a big freakin bad attitude boat with CA plates on the tow vehicle honk your dam horn and yell out the window THANK YOU....Derek

Havasu Hangin'

07-13-2003, 04:18 PM

AzDon:
Some of you are going to continue to be impressed by the money you spend here and continue to believe that the locals are also because you believe some of them HONESTLY told you so. I'm not trying to impress anyone with my spending. Hell, I'm not even impressed with my spending.
I will say that most of the locals I've dealt with were nice, and seemed to appreciate the business. Maybe there's a secret rule amonst the locals to "make people feel welcome when they really aren't"? Is that what you're saying?
AzDon:
Since "GO AWAY" doesn't seem to affect your plans...I've never been told "GO AWAY" by anyone in Havasu. The only time I've heard that is in your posts.
If you are telling people to "go away"...you must be a popular guy. Or maybe the Chamber of Commerce is hiring you to drive people away from Havasu through internet message boards?
Should I write them a letter (show them the thread) and ask them if you are a spokesman for the city? How do you spell your last name?

Three Days Only

07-13-2003, 08:06 PM

AZdon, It comes down to one thing - try not to be JEALOUS of other peoples toys. There will always be something bigger, didnt your parents teach you that when you were young, or did you miss that lesson. Your life would be so much more pleasent if you just relaxed and enjoyed life. The part im not sure about is? You moved to Havasu knowing that it is what it is. What happend? Why the hostility? Maybe you should consider moving. The boats are going to continue to get larger/faster, and people are going to continue to party harder and harder!!!! just my .02 :D

unleashed

07-13-2003, 09:16 PM

AzDon, You have way to many issues. May I suggest a nice little community here in Seal Beach. Its called Leisure World. Do yourself a favor and pack your bags and take a visit. In Leisure World you have stict stringent laws to keep the youngins out. The speed limit is 15mph. No nudity whatsoever. Plenty of people to hang out with that have the same issues with reality as you do. Oh and you dont even have to bring your pacemaker as there is absolutely no excitement whatsoever except for the occasional bingo night or lawn bowling contest. :D
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If you think on an average weekend in the summer that Havasu does not rake in the cash you are completely mistaken. I go to havasu every other week when I have my boat. I spend on average the following
Gas for boat 250.00(Although this is soon to go up)
convinient store purchases: 100.00
Fast food: 75.00
dinning Shugrues(My personal favorite)100-800 depending on the crowd I bring
bar tabs another 300.00
launch fees 30-120.00
queensbay condos 200 a night * 3
Now would Havasu miss someone like me??? Probably not as there are plenty of others boaters whom would take my place. But lose the boating community as a whole and you would see places closing shop pretty quick.
Like it or not Lake Havasu is a ***boater haven for the West coasters. Im pretty sure you knew this before you moved there or have become aware of this.
By the way I think if you took the time to meet some of the people on this board you might change your mind about the attitude thing. Most board members are for good clean fun(Meaning no violence and having a good time). Now nudity might come into play once in awhile but luckily God gave us the common sense(Or at least most of us) to realize its all in good fun.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil

HighRoller

07-14-2003, 03:05 AM

Quite entertaining.But Don has proven himself right without knowing so.90% of the people from Cali go to Havasu for only 2-3 days at a time and only a little more than half the year.Here in Laughlin the amount of money the snowbirds drop each year dwarfs the amount spent by boaters and summer tourists.Why?Because they are here continuously for months at a time.Likewise there are year round sources of revenue at Havasu.33 million a year from FISHERMAN!To those who talk about only having 20,000 peeps in Havasu like it's a bad thing,WAKE UP!I started going there when about 2000 people lived there,and if you think Havasu is nicer now than it was then you're sadly mistaken.It's like a mini California now, devoid of a lot of the charm that once was its attraction.Boat builders have moved there to escape Cali and also because they have year round access to a body of water for sales and testing.If you think people would be sad not to have throngs of drunken obnoxious people swarming all over the town and lake every weekend you might be mistaken.Personally I think they need to limit the amount of boats allowed on the water to alleviate the overcrowding issue.I know my fantasy of having the"old"Havasu back is never going to happen,but to condone bad behavior just because you're on"vacation"is foolish.I've vacationed a lot of places and always try to be respectful of those who inhabit those areas.

Havasu Hangin'

07-14-2003, 04:07 AM

HighRoller:
Here in Laughlin the amount of money the snowbirds drop each year dwarfs the amount spent by boaters and summer tourists.I think you're missing my point. You can't mandate what kind of vacationers show up. If the snowbirds can support Laughlin's economy, then why not card everyone who drives in?
Under 65? Please turn around.
Laughlin caters to EVERYONE. Including those who act differently than you. Shocking, I know.
HighRoller:
To those who talk about only having 20,000 peeps in Havasu like it's a bad thing,WAKE UP!I started going there when about 2000 people lived there,and if you think Havasu is nicer now than it was then you're sadly mistaken.So I guess you're sitting around the porch in your rocking chair, talking about the "good ole days"...complaining about theses "young whipper-snappers" today.
Did you tow your boat with a covered wagon in those days?
Yes, I've been going to Havasu ince the 70's, and yes, it's changed. In some cases, for the better. My point is, not everyone share's your opinion...so why force it on people?
HighRoller:
If you think people would be sad not to have throngs of drunken obnoxious people swarming all over the town and lake every weekend you might be mistaken.Or you might be mistaken?
Perhaps you & Don are the only two that have that opinion. Or perhaps there are two other "old-timers" out there, so your numbers just doubled.
My point is, if your gonna take the vacation dollars, you have to take the good with the bad. Period. If not, then pass some laws, and quit whining.
HighRoller:
...but to condone bad behavior just because you're on"vacation"is foolish.I've vacationed a lot of places and always try to be respectful of those who inhabit those areas. Who is telling us what "bad behavior" is? You? Are you judging other people based on your personal opinion, and when they act differently, whining about it?
Pass some laws. Get rid of alcohol. Get rid of pasties. Put a speed limit on the lake. Limit the boats on the lake. I wish you luck. I'm waiting for you guys to take some action.
Until then, it just sounds like a couple of old-timers whining about the "good ole days" and how "young punks" in big boats act differently than you do.

Charley

07-14-2003, 07:08 AM

unleashed:
dining Shugrues(My personal favorite)100-800 depending on the crowd I bring
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil $800!!! shit dude talk about a posse! :D or a bunch of drunks wink

bigq

07-14-2003, 07:40 AM

Charley:
unleashed:
dining Shugrues(My personal favorite)100-800 depending on the crowd I bring
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil $800!!! shit dude talk about a posse! :D or a bunch of drunks wink No Kidding... hey unleashed can I hang with you, I'll even buy a shirt or something. :D

bigq

07-14-2003, 07:43 AM

maybe this will help clear up the economic cloud a little....
Havasu commerce statistics (http://www.commerce.state.az.us/doclib/COMMUNE/lkhvsucy.pdf)

unleashed

07-14-2003, 08:13 AM

You guys are funny. When you roll around with a crew like this you have to keep the shots a flowing. Charlie you already know next time we hit the river drinks are on me at Shugrues(Thats if they still want my business seeing as Im such a wild californian). :D
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Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) devil

AzDon

07-14-2003, 08:38 AM

Havasu had 35000 full time residents 12 years ago when I moved here and now has close to 50000! Yes, I liked it better at 35K, but I realize that progress can't be stopped. If you believe that all 50,000 of us would (given the opportunity) vote in favor of the summer boating crowd's dollars over our quality of life, you are mistaken! You are flattering only yourself if you believe that anywhere near a majority of us work for you or care about the money you spend. Havasu will not "cease to exist" if the "loud crowd" stopped coming, but the only way it will ever be proven is by that group's boycott!

Tom Slick

07-14-2003, 09:33 AM

AZDON,
I don't know whether or not if it is true that Havasu has 50,000 full time residents or not, but what do these people do for a living? Where do they work and where does the money they make come from? If all of us boaters stopped coming to Havasu, do you think that most of these people would be able to survive in Havasu? I think not. I would bet that many of these people work for many of the business that us weekend boaters frequent. You no places like gas station, mini marts, grocery stores, restraunts, marinas, auto parts stores, boat repair and supply shops, hotels etc, etc. Many of us also own homes in Havasu as well, which means that we pay AZ tax's just like you.
Maybe you have a good idea. Maybe we should all boycott Havasu and see what kind of effect that it has on your economy. How about Memorial weekend 2004. Do you think that you will notice any dip in the funds that weekend?
The one thing that I do agree with you on is the idiots that show up out there. I to can't stand the dip shits that show up at Havasu with there attitudes and lack of respect, especialy on major weekends. But what can you do. Nothing. It is a free world and people are free to do as they please. I wish the once a year idiots would go elsewhere just as much as the next guy, but there are no laws that could prevent that. Maybe if the boat rental companies in Havasu would regulate who gets to rent PWC and boats there would be a lot less rif raf out there. I see more jack ass behavior from the once a year weekend warrior than I do from the guy that owns his own boat and frequents the lake more then once or twice a year. In fact most of us head to Havasu an average of 12 times per year, some maybe less and some a lot more and these are the people that respect the lake and town as they don't want it to turn to shit either.

Three Days Only

07-14-2003, 10:32 AM

AZdon,
Havasu Commerce BS (http://www.commerce.state.az.us/doclib/COMMUNE/lkhvsucy.pdf)
I find this very interesting.
Population 2002 46,400 total - Alot of them being homeowners which own boats that live somewhere else m - th.
2002 Principal Economic Activities ( Where You all Work )
Construction 4,675 ( Were buying summer homes)
Government 7,950
Services 10,725 ( I bet all of us young punk obnixous boaters contribute to those service jobs.)
Trade 12,350 ( There again I bet we use alot of trade services also.
Your major private employers are - London Bridge Resort, Nautical Inn, Wal-Mart, Mission Industries, and sterilite. Three of them sound like there relying on the boaters Blue hair money alot!!! You would lose two of your largest private employers in the city almost instantly if we split, or took our money else where.
PS: Lake Havasu attracts hundreds of thousands of vistors each year to its calm waters (Calm?) and beaches. Visitors bring 100 million annually to the economy. I would hate to lose that income to the city if I lived there. In a town of 46,400 a 100 million dollar loss of revune would almost set you into a recision. All those government jobs would sure be cut, thats alot of taxable dollars.
OPEN YOUR EYES - YOU LIVE IN A VACATION COMMUNITY DURING THE SUMMER IT IS US. DURING THE WINTER IT IS THE SNOWBIRDS. YOU NEED US. WE DO NOT NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DO YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITIES?
We owe all this wonderful information, which is the low down facts to our fellow blue hair wearin, obnixous, drunk driving, speeding, big boat ownin, pastie wearnin, weekend partyman BIGG . I don't know you BIGG but it sounded good. Thanks for the community info. It really places a whats what on the issue.
AZdon, Like Tom said - Im there every other
weekend from April to October. Im sure I have contributed alot to the community. Average weekend runs around 2K +/- when all said and done, Maybe we can have a drink sometime? Hell I will even buy. You might need to save your cash for a rainy (non boating havasu) day.
GOOSE AND SMOKES.

Havasu Cig

07-14-2003, 10:52 AM

The funny thing is that almost everybody I have met out there moved from So.Cal....Now that they are there they want the rest of us "California Natives" to stop coming.
Like was stated before, alot of us Californians own houses in Havasu, so the town is as mush ours as it is the year round residents.
As someone who rents to the snowbirds I know first hand most of them are CHEAP, they are definitely not spending the majority of the money out there.
I know the guy, as others here probably do, who used to own the ***boat Cafe and Deli next to the London Bridge Resort. He told me that his revenue dropped significantly in the winter. I bet this is true with alot of the businesses out there.
As far as big boats are concerned, we own a house in Havasu, and live 10 miles from the beach here in So.Cal. I guess we are supposed to own two boats to make everybody happy. :rolleyes:
[ July 14, 2003, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Cig ]

PlayTime

07-14-2003, 12:00 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by unleashed:
[QB] AzDon, You have way to many issues. May I suggest a nice little community here in Seal Beach. Its called Leisure World. Do yourself a favor and pack your bags and take a visit. In Leisure World you have stict stringent laws to keep the youngins out. The speed limit is 15mph. No nudity whatsoever. Plenty of people to hang out with that have the same issues with reality as you do. Oh and you dont even have to bring your pacemaker as there is absolutely no excitement whatsoever except for the occasional bingo night or lawn bowling contest. :D
http://www.zianet.com/demsrcnt/activity_photos/LunchTime_Lge.jpg
SERIOUS!!!! WOW.. Where can I go to reserve my spot at table 3. Looks like thats where all the excitement is at. :D :D Do they have kareokee too?

Reaper1

07-14-2003, 12:06 PM

Playtime it's all about table 4. I bet Homie with the suit and the slippers on picks up on all the old trim. :D

Charley

07-14-2003, 03:26 PM

AZDon I think I hear what yer saying....you wish it was just the way you remember it or just the way you want it. Ok I respect that...As long as you dont get too in love with that idea you might be able to salvage your happiness wink .....stop living in the passed and worrying about the future... famous old saying:
one leg in yesterday and one leg in tomorrow and you have no choice but to piss on today. Try to enjoy life :D can one of us young california punks buy you a beer?please :p

Jrocket

07-14-2003, 04:07 PM

Charley:
famous old saying:
one leg in yesterday and one leg in tomorrow and you have no choice but to piss on today. Ive neven heard that saying but it was dam funny too me...LMFAO. :D

Havasu Cig

07-14-2003, 04:43 PM

Go look at the "f**king conservatives" thread in the sandbar section, it explains alot about AzDons mentality. :rolleyes:

AzDon

07-14-2003, 04:54 PM

Charley:
AZDon I think I hear what yer saying....you wish it was just the way you remember it or just the way you want it. Ok I respect that...As long as you dont get too in love with that idea you might be able to salvage your happiness wink .....stop living in the passed and worrying about the future... famous old saying:
one leg in yesterday and one leg in tomorrow and you have no choice but to piss on today. Try to enjoy life :D can one of us young california punks buy you a beer?please :p I'd love to find a way to simply have made my point and moved on to the bar. I do love this place and love that others do also.I personally wouldn't vote against the wild partying myself, heck, that's part of what I moved here for! The disrespectful attitude that my town would be nowhere without somebody else's money being thrown around as justification for anything -goes behavior insults me and many others that live here. Face it! You all come here because this place has amenities(hotels,restaraunts,stores, police, fire and a hospital) that the folks that live here have bought and paid for and staff and you all are welcome to come here and rent or patronize any that you choose! there is no gate! All I'm asking is that you have a little respect for the locals in the way you act when you come here! Now about that beer!!....

AzDon

07-14-2003, 05:02 PM

Havasu Cig:
Go look at the "f**king conservatives" thread in the sandbar section, it explains alot about AzDons mentality. :rolleyes: Sure thing Cig!
I'm getting my ass kicked here by some eloquent rebuttals to what people think I'm tryin to say. I'm thinkin EXIT STRATEGY! Over there I'm FN Jackie Chan!
[ July 14, 2003, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: AzDon ]

HighRoller

07-14-2003, 05:41 PM

Don,it's a conspiracy against us truck drivers.What's up with these guys trying to bash a 32yo man as an old fart?Just because I would like to see people act like humans and not primates is not passing judgement.I like to party and have a good time as much as the next guy,but here's the difference.When some guy shows up with his"crew"on the beach where I'm sitting I really don't care if he's white,black,young,old or whatever.Now when 5 more of his buddies show up and all crank up their stereos playing a different song,I still can handle that.But when they start staggering around drunk,yelling like baboons and pissing in the bushes 10 feet from me I start to take exception.When they start sticking various objects into various body orifices of their skanky female companions I don't think that's cool,but from the way I'm looking at this these people are imposing their bad behavior on me!!I have just as much of a right to be there as they do,and every expectation that I should be able to enjoy a nice day on the river without seeing a porno movie or deal with a bunch of primates.If you want to play Girls Gone Wild,go to your hotel room.I'm sick of people excusing this stuff because"it's the river" or"it's a vacation spot".Really?So females performing sex acts at Disneyland in front of your kids wouldn't bother you?After all,it's a vacation spot as well!Why do you think Havasu said NO to MTV last year when asked if they could host their spring break party there?Because the town is getting sick of drunken idiots taking over the town and acting like they can do what they want because they spend money.Havasu will not die if Cali stops coming to town.It has been there since 1964 and was not extremely popular until the 90's so for Californians to act like they"built the town"is preposterous!!!Yeah,they probably paid for the In-N-Out but big deal.I would love to see a Boycott of Havasu,bring it on!!!!Please!!!

Froggystyle

07-14-2003, 06:26 PM

How did this get so polarized?
I love going to the river and turning it loose. I don't even mind being price gouged the night of OP6 for $89 for the worst room I have ever stayed in at the Travelers Inn, third world experience included. I don't mind paying extra for a fuel pump, and I don't mind paying extra for gas.
I don't like when people who live there, in a known vacation destination bitch about vacationers. You can't imagine the influx of vacationers San Diego has every day. Oh well. I moved east, and pretend I am on vacation when I go to the beach. I don't get a locals discount, so screw it.
Who cares if Havasu could survive without boaters? I could care less. I don't even care if Havasu would survive without blue hairs and locals. Same argument. Except, we choose to visit there because of the buffoonery, and they chose to live there because of it. They might be sick of it now of course, but if you were looking for a tranquil desert oasis... you need to move on a little further.
Boating and vacationers built that town to be sure. I have been down plenty of stretches of the river without the In n'Outs and Home Depots. If you buy now, you can have land there for another 25 years before it is turned into a mini-California too.
Nothing more pathetic looking to me than a Vegas or Havasu local sitting in a coffee shop with a poo face on because there was no parking left, or because some young people are walking in there wiht bikini's on. Look around you. See if every one of the visitors is nodding approval at the state of the parking lot. Odds are really good, that we drove around for 15 minutes trying to find boat parking (which in a town designed to cater to boating should not be that difficult to find) and didn't... so your buddy is sitting with the truck getting ready to move it if need be and you are ordering his food for him and then switching. You don't like dogs pissing in your yard? Build a goddamn dog park. At least have a shady area somewhere with water for the poor things.
A less vacationer-freindly town I have never frequented.
I go for the lake, not criticism. I could care less who makes the money, and who spends what. If I was the only one there, with my own hotel, and my own gas station that would suit me fine. In fact, I have spent a pretty good amount of time looking for exactly that situation in the western states. Have not found it yet though. So, I settle on Havasu, which at least has Juicy's Noodles for a little late snack, and a Wal Mart for me to buy a stern light from when some drunk f#$k breaks mine in a drunken stupor. Plus, Jeff Blosdale has a shop there I can get a blower gasket from should I need it.
And an MSD (Thanks Jeff)

Havasu Hangin'

07-15-2003, 04:21 AM

AzDon:
...All I'm asking is that you have a little respect for the locals in the way you act when you come here!You know...the funny thing is, that the last time I was there during the week (boys trip), we ended up in some local bars (not Poke-a-Hoes) and drank with some locals. A very colorful bunch.
Even funnier was that they all wanted to come with us on our boat. When we invited them, and we soon learned that Havasu locals are not all about good Christian Bible study....they were pretty WILD.
So I'm not sure all locals share your point of view.
HighRoller:
When some guy shows up with his"crew"on the beach where I'm sitting I really don't care if he's white,black,young,old or whatever.Now when 5 more of his buddies show up and all crank up their stereos playing a different song,I still can handle that.But when they start staggering around drunk,yelling like baboons and pissing in the bushes 10 feet from me I start to take exception.When they start sticking various objects into various body orifices of their skanky female companions I don't think that's cool...Well, I apologize. We didn't know that was you. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy15.gif
HighRoller:
but from the way I'm looking at this these people are imposing their bad behavior on me!!I have just as much of a right to be there as they do,and every expectation that I should be able to enjoy a nice day on the river without seeing a porno movie or deal with a bunch of primates.What does that have to do with being a local? Nothing.
If you are somewhere public, and someone acts in a way that offends you, that has nothing to do with where you live. Believe it or not, there actually may be some vacationers that are offended by certain behavior as well.
HighRoller:
So females performing sex acts at Disneyland in front of your kids wouldn't bother you?After all,it's a vacation spot as well!I know Disneyland, and Havasu is no Disneyland.
If you like Disneyland, then move to Anahiem, old timer...lots of good handicap parking in Anahiem. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy34.gif
HighRoller:
...acting like they can do what they want because they spend money.Money (and boat size), and MTV has nothing to do with it. There have been drunken porn going on in Copper Canyon since the early 80's. I know.
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HighRoller:
...Havasu will not die if Cali stops coming to town.And Havasu would probably do just fine if you stopped going there. Perhaps you need to stay on the porch, old-timer, with your knitting in one hand, and Bible in the other. Keep preachin' about the "good ole days" and how the world has gone to the devil. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/mad/1/mad15.gif
Anahiem is closer to the Crystal Cathedral. When you move there, please don't leave your blinker on the whole way.
In all seriousness, Havasu has some great people. I struggle to find a trip out there when I didn't make some new friends, or meet some interesting people (even some Oompa Loompas). Yes, there will always be a bad element, but vacationers have to put up with that like anybody. (which may be worse).
Even the locals I've met were nice! Drank alot...but nice. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy33.gif
[ July 15, 2003, 05:24 AM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]