I have seen the light smokin

[Blown 472]

War Criminal Nation
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Faced with mounting civilian carnage, both from war crimes committed by demoralized and broken US troops and from the raging civil war unleashed by Bush's ill-fated illegal invasion of Iraq, the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee has decided to waste another $50 billion to continue the lost war for five more months. Our elected "representatives" are so in thrall to the powerful military-industrial complex that no amount of American shame, pariah status and military defeat can shut off the flow of taxpayers' funds to the merchants of death.
Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing hard-pressed US taxpayers $300,000,000 per day! These wars are lost. Yet, imbecilic members of Congress are in the process of funding the war for another year. Multiply $300 million by 365 days and you get $109,500,000,000. These are not the full costs. The huge figure does not include the destroyed equipment, destroyed lives, and long-term care of the maimed and disabled.
Gentle reader, are you getting enough vicarious pleasure from the slaughter of Iraqi women and children to justify this price tag? Is murdering "ragheads" that important to you? If so, you are one sick person, just like every member of the Bush administration.
US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed far more civilians than they have resistance fighters. Bush administration spokespersons are crowing that they have killed Musab al-Zarqawi in an air strike. But al-Zarqawi was an al Qaeda leader, not a member of the Iraqi resistance. Al-Zarqawi's death will have no affect on the outcome in Iraq.
Far more important is the news that civil war in Baghdad alone claimed 1,400 deaths last month. Perhaps even more important is the news that the Taliban's resurgence has forced the Bush administration to launch more than 750 air strikes in Afghanistan in May. That is 25 air strikes per day! It is a foregone conclusion that most of the casualties are women and children.
America is drowning in the shame of war crimes. One monstrous slaughter of civilians after another, each denied and covered up until brought to light by photos and eye witnesses. The once proud US Marines, unable to defeat the resistance that is picking them off one by one, is now a frustrated, demoralized force that is getting even by murdering 3-month old babies and old women.
The Council of Europe has issued its report on the Bush administration's policy of kidnapping "suspected terrorists" and spiriting them off to tyrannical regimes to be tortured. US State Dept spokesperson, Sean McCormick, whose job it is to justify the criminal conduct of the Bush administration, said that he was "disappointed" in the report. Sean seemed genuinely puzzled that Europe's oldest political organization would second guess the sound judgment of the virtuous Bush administration or protest US violations of international law and human rights.
The only reason Americans can look themselves in the mirror is that they are clueless and have little idea of what is being done in their name. One-third of the US population actually believes that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that Bush found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Apparently, a large percentage of the US population believes that Iran has nuclear weapons and that America is in danger of being attacked by Iran. No democracy can work when people take their responsibility as citizen so lightly as to be totally ignorant.
Formerly conservative, now proto-nazi, publications such as National Review and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, keep pounding the war drums, as does right-wing talk radio and neocon propaganda organs such as the Weekly Standard and Fox "News." The few facts that emerge in the interstices of the war propaganda are quickly spun away.
Slaughter of civilians? Just a few bad apples. We will fix that with seminars for the troops on military ethics and core values.
Troop withdrawals? As soon as the undefined mission is completed.
No weapons of mass destruction? Don't worry about it. We had to have some excuse to invade Iraq and to "build democracy" so that America would be safe.
World opinion? No opinion counts but ours.
Red ink? No sweat. We can borrow more from China. Our growing indebtedness is proof that our power makes us a preferred debtor.
Bush supporters dismiss anyone who tells them the truth as a traitor. Bush supporters are as dependent on propaganda as substance abusers are on drugs and alcohol. Try weaning Bush supporters from the obvious lies that are the basis of this administration, and they will call you every name in the book.
They are proud to be Americans. Lies and war crimes are an American right.
And you had better shut up or those Haliburton-built concentration camps will be your new home.

[wfoflat]

People Like You Dont Deserve To Live In The Usa!! Fuc_ You

[Blown 472]

People Like You Dont Deserve To Live In The Usa!! Fuc_ You
And why is that? Nice grammar Too.

[Old Texan]

The following is Blown's literary expert. Another overeducated dissident that is here for hope that we see the true light. Not that he has a F---ing clue on how to solve anything in reality but he has studied hard to get all the right accolades in order to present his version of Utopian World reality.
Liberal Academia presents:
PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Hon. Paul Craig Roberts is the John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. A former editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service, he is a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate in Los Angeles and a columnist for Investor’s Business Daily. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists.
He was Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996. From 1982 through 1993, he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. During 1981-82 he served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. President Reagan and Treasury Secretary Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.
In 1987 the French government recognized him as "the artisan of a renewal in economic science and policy after half a century of state interventionism" and inducted him into the Legion of Honor.
Dr. Roberts’ latest books are The Tyranny of Good Intentions, co-authored with IPE Fellow Lawrence Stratton, and published by Prima Publishing in May 2000, and Chile: Two Visions—The Allende-Pinochet Era, co-authored with IPE Fellow Karen Araujo, and published in Spanish by Universidad Nacional Andres Bello in Santiago, Chile, in November 2000. The Capitalist Revolution in Latin America, co-authored with IPE Fellow Karen LaFollette Araujo, was published by Oxford University Press in 1997. A Spanish language edition was published by Oxford in 1999. The New Colorline: How Quotas and Privilege Destroy Democracy, co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, was published by Regnery in 1995. A paperback edition was published in 1997. Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, co-authored with Karen LaFollette, was published by the Cato Institute in 1990. Harvard University Press published his book, The Supply-Side Revolution, in 1984. Widely reviewed and favorably received, the book was praised by Forbes as "a timely masterpiece that will have real impact on economic thinking in the years ahead." Dr. Roberts is the author of Alienation and the Soviet Economy, published in 1971 and republished in 1990. He is the author of Marx’s Theory of Exchange, Alienation and Crisis, published in 1973 and republished in 1983. A Spanish language edition was published in 1974.
Dr. Roberts has held numerous academic appointments. He has contributed chapters to numerous books and has published many articles in journals of scholarship, including the Journal of Political Economy, Oxford Economic Papers, Journal of Law and Economics, Studies in Banking and Finance, Journal of Monetary Economics, Public Finance Quarterly, Public Choice, Classica et Mediaevalia, Ethics, Slavic Review, Soviet Studies, Rivista de Political Economica, and Zeitschrift fur Wirtschafspolitik. He has entries in the McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Economics and the New Palgrave Dictionary of Money and Finance. He has contributed to Commentary, The Public Interest, The National Interest, Harper’s, the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, Fortune, London Times, The Financial Times, TLS, The Spectator, Il Sole 24 Ore, Le Figaro, Liberation, and the Nihon Keizai Shimbun. He has testified before committees of Congress on 30 occasions.
Dr. Roberts was educated at the Georgia Institute of Technology (B.S.), the University of Virginia (Ph.D.), the University of California at Berkeley and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College.
He is listed in Who’s Who in America, Who’s Who in the World, The Dictionary of International Biography, Outstanding People of the Twentieth Century, and 1000 Leaders of World Influenc

[SmokinLowriderSS]

"Broken" and "Demoralized" troops, sure, yea, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

[wfoflat]

strange with all my bad grammar alot of people would agree im much smarter than you :idea:

[Blown 472]

strange with all my bad grammar alot of people would agree im much smarter than you :idea:
yup i bet they do two.

[Seadog]

It is amazing how so many people with such status can be such idiots. Not one fact was listed that was not distorted, or fabricated. And 90% of the adjectives were vitrolic attacks on anyone that did not suit his ultra liberal demands. That blowj quotes such a creature, is proof positive that he has no touch with reality. It is proof that the Democratic party has become the party of hatred and sour grapes. They are no longer a functioning part of our nation, but leaches and mosquitoes trying to sicken our ability to function in a dangerous international situation.

[Blown 472]

It is amazing how so many people with such status can be such idiots. Not one fact was listed that was not distorted, or fabricated. And 90% of the adjectives were vitrolic attacks on anyone that did not suit his ultra liberal demands. That blowj quotes such a creature, is proof positive that he has no touch with reality. It is proof that the Democratic party has become the party of hatred and sour grapes. They are no longer a functioning part of our nation, but leaches and mosquitoes trying to sicken our ability to function in a dangerous international situation.
And the rep. are such fine outstanding people too. sheesh.

[mickeyfinn]

War Criminal Nation
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Faced with mounting civilian carnage, both from war crimes committed by demoralized and broken US troops and from the raging civil war unleashed by Bush's ill-fated illegal invasion of Iraq, the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee has decided to waste another $50 billion to continue the lost war for five more months. Our elected "representatives" are so in thrall to the powerful military-industrial complex that no amount of American shame, pariah status and military defeat can shut off the flow of taxpayers' funds to the merchants of death.
Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing hard-pressed US taxpayers $300,000,000 per day! These wars are lost. Yet, imbecilic members of Congress are in the process of funding the war for another year. Multiply $300 million by 365 days and you get $109,500,000,000. These are not the full costs. The huge figure does not include the destroyed equipment, destroyed lives, and long-term care of the maimed and disabled.
Gentle reader, are you getting enough vicarious pleasure from the slaughter of Iraqi women and children to justify this price tag? Is murdering "ragheads" that important to you? If so, you are one sick person, just like every member of the Bush administration.
US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed far more civilians than they have resistance fighters. Bush administration spokespersons are crowing that they have killed Musab al-Zarqawi in an air strike. But al-Zarqawi was an al Qaeda leader, not a member of the Iraqi resistance. Al-Zarqawi's death will have no affect on the outcome in Iraq.
Far more important is the news that civil war in Baghdad alone claimed 1,400 deaths last month. Perhaps even more important is the news that the Taliban's resurgence has forced the Bush administration to launch more than 750 air strikes in Afghanistan in May. That is 25 air strikes per day! It is a foregone conclusion that most of the casualties are women and children.
America is drowning in the shame of war crimes. One monstrous slaughter of civilians after another, each denied and covered up until brought to light by photos and eye witnesses. The once proud US Marines, unable to defeat the resistance that is picking them off one by one, is now a frustrated, demoralized force that is getting even by murdering 3-month old babies and old women.
The Council of Europe has issued its report on the Bush administration's policy of kidnapping "suspected terrorists" and spiriting them off to tyrannical regimes to be tortured. US State Dept spokesperson, Sean McCormick, whose job it is to justify the criminal conduct of the Bush administration, said that he was "disappointed" in the report. Sean seemed genuinely puzzled that Europe's oldest political organization would second guess the sound judgment of the virtuous Bush administration or protest US violations of international law and human rights.
The only reason Americans can look themselves in the mirror is that they are clueless and have little idea of what is being done in their name. One-third of the US population actually believes that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that Bush found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Apparently, a large percentage of the US population believes that Iran has nuclear weapons and that America is in danger of being attacked by Iran. No democracy can work when people take their responsibility as citizen so lightly as to be totally ignorant.
Formerly conservative, now proto-nazi, publications such as National Review and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, keep pounding the war drums, as does right-wing talk radio and neocon propaganda organs such as the Weekly Standard and Fox "News." The few facts that emerge in the interstices of the war propaganda are quickly spun away.
Slaughter of civilians? Just a few bad apples. We will fix that with seminars for the troops on military ethics and core values.
Troop withdrawals? As soon as the undefined mission is completed.
No weapons of mass destruction? Don't worry about it. We had to have some excuse to invade Iraq and to "build democracy" so that America would be safe.
World opinion? No opinion counts but ours.
Red ink? No sweat. We can borrow more from China. Our growing indebtedness is proof that our power makes us a preferred debtor.
Bush supporters dismiss anyone who tells them the truth as a traitor. Bush supporters are as dependent on propaganda as substance abusers are on drugs and alcohol. Try weaning Bush supporters from the obvious lies that are the basis of this administration, and they will call you every name in the book.
They are proud to be Americans. Lies and war crimes are an American right.
And you had better shut up or those Haliburton-built concentration camps will be your new home.
I agee that bad things are happening over there. The US breaking wartime laws? Maybe toturing people?...Geez.....I always thought war was bad, bad things happened and that in the name of winning, we don't necessarily follow the laws. Wartime laws are ridiculous. If we go to war, I hope we are in it to win at all costs. Whether you agree with the reason for war or not is a different discussions. I don't believe in the idea of innocents in war, other than maybe the kids and then I remember some of the kids in vietnam. If we go to war, I expect it to be with every man,woman and child. They are the ones letting the rulers rule. You say it is because they are afraid to express opposition. I say make them more afraid of us than the Consequenses of expressing opposition. Bottom line, war is hell....supposed to be that way....makes it something to be avoided...We have sanitized it to the point that you damn leftist anti-US assholes have it for evening news entertainment and political fodder.....Go back under your rock.

[wfoflat]

Very well said mikeyfinn.

[redneckcharlie]

blown, your old man should of done humanity a favor, and pulled out and shot your ass on the wall! the depths of your moral depravity amazes me. :mad:

[Blown 472]

blown, your old man should of done humanity a favor, and pulled out and shot your ass on the wall! the depths of your moral depravity amazes me. :mad:
Glad to hear it.

[redneckcharlie]

your moral depravity is only eclipsed by your complete lack of imagination. :cool:

[OGShocker]

More from this fukwad (http://antiwar.com/roberts/)

[bigq]

WOW! sounds dire, maybe he should just point the barrel at his noggin and get it over with before he explodes and gets bullshit all over the place. :yuk:

[Seadog]

One thing I found interesting, but really idiotic, was the supposition that civilian casualities were the responsibility of U.S. troops. In reality, the vast majority of civilian casualties are the sole responsibilities of the insurgents.
Since this is an ongoing action, we do not know how many civilian casualties there are total or will be, but considering the numbers so far, I doubt that it will be that bad compared to other events. Look at these numbers:
England, WWII - 60,000 civilian deaths
Dresden bombing campaign - 25-35,000
Tokyo fire bombing - 100,000
Kobe fire bombing - 9,000
USSR civilian deaths - 2.5M
Germany -300,000
Japan - 500,000
China - 7,000,000
Holocast victims - 6,000,000
Poland - 2,200,000
Total WWII civian casualties - 37,000,000
This is more than the number of troops killed by over 10,000,000.
And for those that think that WWII was unique, Korea had 3-4,000,000 civilian casualties and Vietnam was conservatively estimated at 3.2-4,000,000 deaths to civilians.

[Kurtis500]

Hey Seadog, could you imagine Blown living 60+ years ago? This guy would never have the guts or conscience to confront Hitler and the Japanese. He would be constantly barking about how we should 'stay out of Europes war'..After all, who should care about Germanys breaking of all the sanctions against them. Fortunatly for us, his type has been around before to see the results of thier ignorance. BETTER YET, imagine the garbage that he would spew blaming the government for every dead American soldier claiming we had no right to get involved in Europes war since THEY NEVER ATTACKED US! Clearly, Blown has a problem with that war or he is just a little cheerleader using hind-sight as the guide to determining what was right or wrong.
I've asked him time and time again, specifically, if it was 1937 again and Hitler had just broken the sanctions and invaded the Rhineland what would you do. Even without a single reference to todays war in Iraq. Blown has avoided a specific answer, even with his hind-sight world view. Its really pathetic..Surely he blames us and our capitalist imperialism for that war too.
Dont worry blown, I dont watch fox like you have ignorantly claimed before...But then again, your suppose to be telling us good reliable information. :p

[Seadog]

The pity is that his type is very familiar. A large number of the population of England was pro-Nazi until it became obvious that he was not following any of the treatys or gentlemen's agreements. Even when the bombs were falling on London, there were those Brits who supported him.
I tried to get a feel for casualties in Iraq, but the proliferation of left-wing propaganda sites made it difficult to get an accurate estimate. the best numbers are that 25,000 civilains died during the first two years of the war. Of those 37% were due to coalition forces. 30% of those were in the initial campaign and something like 67-80% were caused by colateral damage from explosives. So we have killed about 10,000 civilians and 3,000 were during the initial fighting and about 7,000 were caused by Iraqi military and insurgents hiding in populated areas. The rest of the deaths, 15,000 were caused by fellow arabs.

[redneckcharlie]

it is one thing to have a disagreement on someones point of view or difference of opinion. it is a completely different matter to continually exercise a smear campaign. i can deal with someone doing this to poiticians, but i will not keep quiet when it comes to the us military! :mad:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Have no fear Kurtis, blown will never answer any specific question he is posed with. I have hounded him on several questions, for weeks at a time, to no avail. He just tosses out the distraction crap and, when that fails, the attack BS.