25 Daytona info

[Liquid Life]

I am interested in checking out Eliminator's 25 Daytona, Can someone give me pros and cons about a Daytona. Can you ski behind them?

[riverliver]

Liquid Life:
I am interested in checking out Eliminator's 25 Daytona, Can someone give me pros and cons about a Daytona. Can you ski behind them? Yes I have ski'd behind mine !!!! jawdrop

[Liquid Life]

What about a closed deck compared to an open bow. The wife wants open bow. I am sure open bow is more weight, what about performance difference between them.

[riverliver]

Liquid Life:
What about a closed deck compared to an open bow. The wife wants open bow. I am sure open bow is more weight, what about performance difference between them. closed deck is the way to go.
A two step hull with a least 700+ hp is a must !!

[riverliver]

http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1010108.JPG

[blown23vee]

Liquid Life:
What about a closed deck compared to an open bow. The wife wants open bow. I am sure open bow is more weight, what about performance difference between them.

[blown23vee]

Liquid Life:
What about a closed deck compared to an open bow. The wife wants open bow. I am sure open bow is more weight, what about performance difference between them. Sorry about the blank post. I've got a 25 with
the midcabin open bow...very Wife friendly, she
loves it. Might be a little slower but with 799
horse we've seen around 96 so far without putting
it to the floor.

[blown23vee]

riverliver:
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/P1010108.JPG Hey Riverliver, what power you got in that thing?

[Goodtime$]

HTM

[Jrocket]

blown23vee:
Hey Riverliver, what power you got in that thing? He's got just enough to beat me....for now atleast!! :D

[riverliver]

blown23vee:
riverliver:
Hey Riverliver, what power you got in that thing? With out a dyno I would say about 850 to 900hp.
Fastest run on GPS has been 110mph I think i can pull a few more mph out of her just for Jrocket LMAO devil
[ June 14, 2003, 05:26 AM: Message edited by: riverliver ]

[Jrocket]

You better have some sort of back up plan.... :D

[riverliver]

Jrocket:
You better have some sort of back up plan.... :D http://www.gtmarine.com/pics/gt572arw.jpg
Yes I do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCOOTE69]

I have a 2003 w/ a Teague engine and Platinum XR drive. I ski and tube behind it all the time. It will stay planed at 25-30mph. It has plenty of storage room and seats 6. Ive gone 100+ with nearly 1000 rpm's left to redline (boat is still getting broken in). Quality is excellent. It is not the easiest handling boat around the docs nor is it an ideal ski/tube boat. Rigging is critical and less than great rigging can make a huge difference. Im in Dallas and youre welcome to come for a ride. Some pics, including what your face looks like at 100+ mph:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P4260010-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3080027-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3040023-med.JPG
[ June 14, 2003, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: SCOOTE69 ]

[riverliver]

SCOOTE69
What would be your red line and what hp are you running?
your daytona came out nice !!

[Liquid Life]

Riverliver and Scoote69 you guys both have nice boats. I dont know where you guys picked up your boats, but can a better deal be made at Eliminator (Mira Loma, CA.) than through a local dealer (in Arizona)?

[gmnhra]

i'll throw in my two cents..
for comparison....
i have riverlivers twin....same graphics, single step...
mine however, is an open bow/cuddy (family boat)..
powered by a gt performance whippled 540, a fairly low x dimension 1.5:1 bravo turning a 30 inch..i will see just over 100 on the perfect day...95 any day...
we ski/wakeboard/tube all the time (thus the low x dimension)..i did add some hydraulic sponson tabs and those really allow the boat to plane at slow speeds..they also helped take all of the 65-80 mph porpoise out of my setup...
additionaly, my insurance company completly changed there attitude towards the "evil tunnel hull" (and pricing of coverage)when they saw picks of the open bow...apparently making the boat more of a "family boat"....
looks like riverliver is going to beat me to that quad rotor....

[riverliver]

Liquid Life:
Riverliver and Scoote69 you guys both have nice boats. I dont know where you guys picked up your boats, but can a better deal be made at Eliminator (Mira Loma, CA.) than through a local dealer (in Arizona)? Are you looking new or maybe used, this is one bad ass daytona for sale I think he want's about 85k
120+ mph on gps speedo - gt performance 540 quad rotor - chrome & polish everything - cmi headers - demon carbs - built xr drive w/imco polished lower unit - autometer gauges - custom painted scoop - dual ext. steering - dual hatch rams - $5k stereo - extreme trailer w/chrome fenders - billet steering wheel - custom cover - turn key - must sell - $84,900 firm (financing available) call tracy 714-655-5446
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/images/335_1.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/images/335_3.jpg

[Liquid Life]

I am looking at both new or used. Thats a nice Daytona for sale, but maybe a little too much for me. Keep posting pics, those boats are awesome!

[riverliver]

Liquid Life:
I am looking at both new or used. Thats a nice Daytona for sale, but maybe a little too much for me. Keep posting pics, those boats are awesome! You don't have to dive it with your foot on the floor, it's nice to have the power when you need it, you will see what i mean when you get a Kat !
The guy that owns this boat has his kids and wife in all the time.
Good luck on your search :D wink

[Havasu Hangin']

riverliver:
You don't have to dive it with your foot on the floor, it's nice to have the power when you need it..Yeah...how many posts are there of guys looking to go slower after they drive thier boat?

[Jrocket]

Havasu Hangin':
riverliver:
You don't have to dive it with your foot on the floor, it's nice to have the power when you need it..Yeah...how many posts are there of guys looking to go slower after they drive thier boat? Riverliver is the only guy I know of that is afraid of his boat!!! :D :D

[riverliver]

Jrocket:
Havasu Hangin':
riverliver:
You don't have to dive it with your foot on the floor, it's nice to have the power when you need it..Yeah...how many posts are there of guys looking to go slower after they drive thier boat? Riverliver is the only guy I know of that is afraid of his boat!!! :D :D Afraid It's not fast enough, how was the trip to teague ??? :D

[Jrocket]

riverliver:
Jrocket:
Havasu Hangin':
riverliver:
You don't have to dive it with your foot on the floor, it's nice to have the power when you need it..Yeah...how many posts are there of guys looking to go slower after they drive thier boat? Riverliver is the only guy I know of that is afraid of his boat!!! :D :D Afraid It's not fast enough, how was the trip to teague ??? :D Just like any trip to Teague,long and pricey....Gary wasnt there. :rolleyes:

[SCOOTE69]

I suspect going to the factory to buy can save you some money. You may prefer to build some good will with your local dealer though if youd like him to take good care of you. Bargain hard and Eliminator will move some on their list prices.
Im running a labbed 30 with 1.5 gears. At 5600 rpm (approx) Im at 102 gps. Redline is around 6400 which with the same slip calculates to 115.
Im all for that quad rotor, but Id need a #6, 4x4 or bmax, as I suspect a poor xr would not last long with 1200hp. My current motor has been perfect--starting everytime on first or second try, idling at 800 rpm, smooth shifting, water and oil temp rarely move on the guages past minimum numbers, burns zero oil. it has a 2 year warranty too!

[25Elmn8r]

Liquid, Are you looking to run 100+ or just a good running family cat?
The 25 Daytona is a great boat! I have had mine for almost a year now. It is a single step Hard deck powered by a completely stock 502MAG(415 HP) It will run 74-75 all day long. For comparison, Smilemaker on this board has the single step open bow powered exactly the same and runs 71-72.
We were just out this weekend skiing and tubing all day. It planes at about 20 which was perfect for my kids in the tube. My daughter(8 years old) skis at about 15 which is kind of a pain with the nose of the boat in the air but I just prop myself up in the seat and it's not that bad. I am looking at adding tabs to help with the planing and the porpoise.
The only down side to the single step with stock power is you don't have enough power to drive through the porpoising(which is only on perfectly flat water)

[andy01]

Hey Rocket don't pay attention to the guy with the PURPLE yuk Daytona! Nice thing is, is I can't hear him even if he does pass me! (My 6x9's are louder then his) :D
The Daytona is a very nice boat, make sure you get the twin step. You will have more interior room and lose a lot of the porpoise. I looked at the Daytona's several times until I purchased my DCB. I didn't feel that the service they were giving me was worth my money. The Mach 26 is something to keep in mind if you are looking at the Daytona. It has a little more interior room and deeper tunnels for the rough water. I was (no matter who the builder is) buying a Daytona buy it from the factory and drive out to look at it as it is being built. Going through a dealer is probably going to be the same on pricing but you will have to many people in between you and the guy rigging your boat when you want something changed or added. I know nobody adds anything when they build a boat........ :D :D
Just my .02
If you want more pics of RL's Daytona I can put some up.
Andy

[Liquid Life]

Yes, I would like to go over 100 but I have a wife and kids, so I would want it to be more family orientated. I was out at Parker a few weeks ago and saw a 25'Daytona w/496HO. Dont know who it was, but he suggested a 496HO and then add a whipple charger after the Merc warranty ran out. Does anybody know what kind of speeds a 496HO would run in a 25'Daytona.
How does the price of a DCB compare to an Eliminator?
Is a double step hull considered an upgrade? (in price) Performance is better so it must be more money too.
Please send more pics of DCB or Eliminator cats. RL's Daytona is nice, I would like pics of that too.

[alfanzo]

SCOOTE69:
I have a 2003 w/ a Teague engine and Platinum XR drive. I ski and tube behind it all the time. It will stay planed at 25-30mph. It has plenty of storage room and seats 6. Ive gone 100+ with nearly 1000 rpm's left to redline (boat is still getting broken in). Quality is excellent. It is not the easiest handling boat around the docs nor is it an ideal ski/tube boat. Rigging is critical and less than great rigging can make a huge difference. Im in Dallas and youre welcome to come for a ride. Some pics, including what your face looks like at 100+ mph:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154IMG] P4260010-med.JPG[/
[img]http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3080027-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3040023-med.JPG WOW

[alfanzo]

alfanzo:
SCOOTE69:
I have a 2003 w/ a Teague engine and Platinum XR drive. I ski and tube behind it all the time. It will stay planed at 25-30mph. It has plenty of storage room and seats 6. Ive gone 100+ with nearly 1000 rpm's left to redline (boat is still getting broken in). Quality is excellent. It is not the easiest handling boat around the docs nor is it an ideal ski/tube boat. Rigging is critical and less than great rigging can make a huge difference. Im in Dallas and youre welcome to come for a ride. Some pics, including what your face looks like at 100+ mph:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154IMG] P4260010-med.JPG[/
[img]http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3080027-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/154P3040023-med.JPG WOW Sorry, double WOW!!!!!!!!

[25Elmn8r]

Liquid, The double step is what they are building now. It gets rid of most of the porpoise on flat water. However I have been told that the single step is faster. The 496HO is 10HP more than my 502MAG so speeds should be comparable, 75MPH. I have heard of speeds in the 90's with a Whipple or procharger.
My understanding is that DCB is a little more money than Eliminator. I have never personally done any pricing comparison. The DCB is a 26ft cat. I would suggest looking at both builders and test drive both boats. Then go with the boat you like better.
Here are pics of mine:
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/9825daytona2.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/9825daytona3.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Reader_Rides/Stern_Drives/9825daytona.JPG
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Avatars/Forum_Graphic_Depot/DSC002443.JPG
http://www.riverracerx.com/regatta/more/images/DSC_0167.jpg

[Charley]

dj....sorry i couldn't swing by on saturday....lost my wife on the jetski and I had a search perty on board to find her!!!
someday we will hook up :D

[Liquid Life]

25Elmn8r Thanks for the pics, thats a nice boat.
Do you by chance have any pics of that open bow (Smilemakers). I am going to be on vacation in July and planning to stop by Eliminator (Mira Loma) Would like to come home with one.

[rude235]

i've got a 2001 25 daytona that is a single step. as they have already stated is does have a propoise between 60-70. a friend of mine has a double step and he reports no porpoise. his ride is powered by a 540 with about 650hp and he has been on gps at 93mph at havasu i believe. my daytona has a bone stock 500efi and has been on gps at 80+ on lake mead. i price shopped before i bought and the dcb's are a bit more than eliminator's but they have some incredible rigging! i will attempt to post a pic of my ride but don't hold your breath. good luck with your purchase. 25elmn8r, that avatar is BITCHIN'!!! http//www.lasvegas***boats.com/iB_html/uploads/post-4-35537-rude_s_lvhb_sig.jpg

[rude235]

obviously my pic didn't post, you can see it on the lasvegas***boats.com forum. i use the same screen and have a pic of it as my signature.

[rude235]

i also wanted to add that i don't have any problems around the doc with my setup. in fact, i think this boat is easier to handle around the doc than my other boat, a 19ft outboard.

[riverliver]

http://lasvegas***boats.com/iB_html/uploads/post-4-35537-rude_s_lvhb_sig.jpg

[riverliver]

the single step is faster only over a 100mph the 2 step is faster 70 thur 90mph range.

[rude235]

riverliver, much appreciated on posting my pic!!

[Skullinator]

sure seems like it takes alot of horsepower to move those boats.

[TOBTEK]

LIQUID LIFE. You really owe it to yourself to call Tony at "WESTCOST RIGGING" If you dont know his background, he was DCB's number one guy forever and now is on his own rigging ELIMINATOR,DCB,AMT hull's. He quoted a friend a lower price for a new 2004 25 daytona(which you get to go to Eliminator and pick design and colors), sitting on a new extreme trailer than you can get a used one for! So for less money you get a flawless job and save some bucks....here's his number if you want it 909-674-5122 or buy my new 2003 MACH22 and I'll go order one :D good luck.....toby

[FASTERDAMITT]

Why should it matter how many steps it has? Any thing over 90mph they are out of the water.
(exept for rough conditions) Mine are! I can see them freeing up the boat at slower speeds. :confused:

[25Elmn8r]

Charley, No problem! When are you heading out again? We will be out again the 26th thru the 29th for my sons birthday. The big 5 years old. I can't wait, he is so excited.
Liquid, Thanks! But sorry I don't have any pics of Smilemakers open bow.
Rude, Thanks! Your Daytona looks great too. A 500EFI is a great setup in that thing.
Riverliver, Like I said, I heard the single step was faster. I didn't have any specifics as to at what point it was faster. I just said it was faster.

[Liquid Life]

Tobtek Thanks for that info, do you know roughly what kind of price range for a 25' Daytona from West Coast Rigging. I wouldnt be able to do anything until early next year (just checking things out right now) I will definitely look into West Coast.

[Freak]

Liquid - while you are looking -- if you are financing - check out insurance it could be a major factor ( cat's and insurance companies don’t mix )

[Charley]

25Elmn8r:
Charley, No problem! When are you heading out again? We will be out again the 26th thru the 29th for my sons birthday. The big 5 years old. I can't wait, he is so excited.
I wish we were goin that weekend but it looks like we are going this weekend(OP6)and then the 4th... I don't even think Im launching on the fourth unless it's at night...2 many jetskis and newbies.....Happy birthday to the little man.... We will hook it up sometime soon...have fun!

[Risky Business]

Skullinator:
sure seems like it takes alot of horsepower to move those boats. Quite possibly the stupidist thing I have ever read on these boards.....
And this coming from a guy whose boat looks like it was painted with Krylon. Probably just to cover the 10 gallons of bondo on the transom.
What a dork.

[alfanzo]

Risky Business:
Skullinator:
sure seems like it takes alot of horsepower to move those boats. Quite possibly the stupidist thing I have ever read on these boards.....
And this coming from a guy whose boat looks like it was painted with Krylon. Probably just to cover the 10 gallons of bondo on the transom.
What a dork. SIMMER DOWN big guy!!

[Liquid Life]

I don't know how to post a link , but there is a Daytona on Ebay. Looks almost like 25Elmn8r's but with a black on it, also on one the pics it looks like there are some heavy scratches on the side. Does anybody have any suggestions or comments about this boat.

[25Elmn8r]

Here is the Link 25Daytona (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2420621423&category=31271)
That basically is my boat. Same power, drive, prop, swimsteps, location of the exhaust. A little change in looks with the addition of the black. It looks like there is a small fuel leak in the engine well on the left side. Or possibly rust from non stainless screws. It also looks like there is no switch for the fuel tanks(Runs off of both tanks at same time) Single Battery, I would add one more to be on the safe side. The addition of the tunnel tabs are nice. I have heard that they help with planing and the porpoiseing. I don't or can't see the scratches that you mentioned.
From what I can see is it is a pretty clean basic 25 Daytona. The only upgrades I can see are the Gel Coat, Motor, and Tunnel Tabs.
There are only a few things I PERSONALLY don't care for on it.
1. I have never heard of the Trailer manufacturer. It looks to be pretty basic.
2. The black windscreen would be very hot on the feet and butt.
3. The snaps for the cockpit cover.
4. It is in KANSAS.
Other than that it looks pretty clean
[ June 23, 2003, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: 25Elmn8r ]

[DogHouse]

Risky Business:
Quite possibly the stupidist thing I have ever read on these boards.....
Guess you haven't read the boards much then... it gets much worse!
:D

[Skullinator]

Riskey Business: Lets look @ the facts you have 700+ horse power according to Whipple and your boat hasn't seen 90 MPH sense Febuary.Talked to blowen lavey he has the same set-up as you 500HP with a whipple his boat runs 94MPH and it's 2 feet longer.Our boats our the same size i have 490HP and my boat ran 90+ last week. And for my paint job i like it. At least my boat doesn't look like 6 other boats on the lake every weekend. Also don't blame me for the water in your oil or the fact your boat lost 300 rpm from the heat. Oh and by the way Happy Birhtday
Alfanso thanks for Covering my Back.
argue :mad: argue devil
[ June 24, 2003, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Skullinator ]

[Liquid Life]

Do any of you guys with a 25' Daytona happen to know if it will fit in 9' X 31' RV access.

[mbrown2]

The 9ft access is going to be really tight...maybe a couple of inches on each side. On our DCB Mach 26, it was approximately 34 ft with boat and trailer. No pivot hitch. With a pivot hitch, you could save about 18 inches and the Daytona might be a foot shorter...so you are 31' 6"'s approximately.

[rude235]

like mbrown2 said, the 9ft space will be pretty tight. i just measured mine (25ft daytona with an extreme trailer) and it's roughly 8 1/2 ft wide, and you'll need at least 32ft in length w/o a swing-away tongue on the trailer. hope this helps.

[Liquid Life]

yes, that info helps, thanks

[Liquid Life]

Does anyone know if Eliminator (Mira Loma) has any 25' Daytonas on their lot. I might be in that area with in the next couple of weeks. I was planning to stop by and check them out, hopefully to see a 25' Daytona.

[bear down]

Liquid Life:
Does anyone know if Eliminator (Mira Loma) has any 25' Daytonas on their lot. I might be in that area with in the next couple of weeks. I was planning to stop by and check them out, hopefully to see a 25' Daytona. I saw a couple in service and some being built last friday when I stopped by. I spoke with my sales guy Dan about the steps on the 25 Daytona and basically this is the run down. All new 25 Daytonas have a double step and older 25
's have a 1 1/2 step. If you go down Dan will show you what I am talking about.

[Liquid Life]

I leave for Calif. in a couple of days and will be there for a week or two. I dont know exactly when I will make it to Eliminator but I am for sure going to stop by there.

[playdeep]

Liquid Life,
Call the factory and ask for Dan Alberts...1-800-306-3343.
I have known him for years,he pretty much knows of every Daytona (new or used) on the market.
He is a stand up guy.

[bear down]

playdeep:
Liquid Life,
Call the factory and ask for Dan Alberts...1-800-306-3343.
I have known him for years,he pretty much knows of every Daytona (new or used) on the market.
He is a stand up guy. I agree with Playdeep. Dan Alberts was my sales guy last year and he is awesome. Give him a call he will only tell you the truth not what you want to hear.

[rude235]

i may wrong but from what i was told by the guys at the havasu facility, the single step 25's are built there while the 2 step 25's are built in mira loma. if you wanted a single step, they still have the mold (at least they did earlier this year). good luck with your search and keep us posted!

[pleasantcat]

ok my .02 i owned a 21' jet and then stepped to a new 23'vee boat that was to be my ride for several years. i took it to havasu once and that was it.with only 20hours on the meter that p.o.s. was sold. after lots of looking and talking with friends, i decided on the 25 daytona. now the one and only complaint i have is red gel sucks in the az sun!
i will never go back to a vee and if i ever sell this boat it will only be to go to the 30' daytona. this boat has seen some terrible water and handled it like no other boat ive been on. i did buy a used boat so i cant tell u much about eliminators sales team but, every time i call for any questions or parts they handle me very profesionaly and as if i bought there. just my .02 on how i feel. there are lots of good boat builders out there. just make sure you talk to boat owners before you buy!!!

[Liquid Life]

I just stopped by Eliminator (Mira Loma) a couple days ago to check out a 25' Daytona. I hooked up with Chris Matthews(sales) He showed us all around the shop and the kids got a bunch of stickers. Anyway they had two 25 Daytonas on the showroom floor. I will not be serious to buy for a few more months yet(need to pay a few bills first) but I was just wondering if they have room to deal on the price.

[bear down]

Liquid Life:
I just stopped by Eliminator (Mira Loma) a couple days ago to check out a 25' Daytona. I hooked up with Chris Matthews(sales) He showed us all around the shop and the kids got a bunch of stickers. Anyway they had two 25 Daytonas on the showroom floor. I will not be serious to buy for a few more months yet(need to pay a few bills first) but I was just wondering if they have room to deal on the price. The secret to a great deal is Dan Alberts (sales) Trust me! :)

[Liquid Life]

I had all the information from this form along with a map and went off to Calif. and left it at home. My kid is telling me that Dan is the one they got all the stickers from. I dont know if that was Dan Alberts, I was off looking at boats. So, with your experience, you can deal with them?

[rude235]

everything is negotiable!

[playdeep]

Liquid Life,
From Experience...Room to deal,Yes...I would only deal with Dan Alberts.
Anybody else and you are wasting your time...
Just go in and ask to talk to Bob Leach (I did) or Brent (his son)
I think that you will be surprised as to how much give the there is in the bottom line...

[bear down]

playdeep:
Liquid Life,
From Experience...Room to deal,Yes...I would only deal with Dan Alberts.
Anybody else and you are wasting your time...
Just go in and ask to talk to Bob Leach (I did) or Brent (his son)
I think that you will be surprised as to how much give the there is in the bottom line... Basically Dan Alberts is like the Fleet guy at the local dealership, will be short, sweet and to the point on pricing. He will be honest about boat performance and quality and give it to you straight up. He will deal with Eliminator staff if you have any issues or problems yourself and he will resolve the problem. He is a no nonsense guy who cares about his customers. He'll give you a price that no one else can beat!!