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Liberator TJ1984
06-27-2006, 03:57 PM
:mad: Congress let a law slip thru today allowing the Desecration of the American Flag :mad:
This is the way these " Americans " celebrated :mad:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060626/060626_flagburn_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg
I honestly am starting to believe the prophecies as stated in the Bible are way on their way to being fulfilled and the end is near :skull:

Outnumbered
06-27-2006, 04:49 PM
Liberalism will be the death of this country.

cdog
06-27-2006, 05:05 PM
Lock and load. I'll be voting from the roof tops. :crossx:

W.O.T
06-27-2006, 05:39 PM
Lock and load. I'll be voting from the roof tops. :crossx:
ill be right behind you

wsuwrhr
06-27-2006, 05:50 PM
Technically wouldn't the good ol rev al sharpton or his cohort jessim jackson try and call dessicration of the flag "free speech"
Brian

Froggystyle
06-27-2006, 06:49 PM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.

Warlockjer
06-27-2006, 07:01 PM
Hey Froggystyle, It surprises me as a veteran that you are not bothered by this. I am also a Vet and it really pisses me off. It hurts me in ways I can't even describe!! I also have 2 kids in the Military, and I don't have to tell you how they feel. :mad:

beaverretriever
06-27-2006, 07:24 PM
Liberalism will be the death of this country.
LOL, I knew I liked this forum.

Tom Brown
06-27-2006, 07:29 PM
Liberalism will be the death of this country.
lol! :D :D :D :D
I think resource should be removed from SWAT and gang law enforcement units and redeployed to a new sacred flag unit. Gangland crime and murders are nothing compared to someone burning a symbolic piece of nylon cloth.

Tom Brown
06-27-2006, 07:30 PM
The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal.
Praise God, brother Wes! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Chubby4Life
06-27-2006, 07:35 PM
:mad: Congress let a law slip thru today allowing the Desecration of the American Flag :mad:
This is the way these " Americans " celebrated :mad:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060626/060626_flagburn_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg
I honestly am starting to believe the prophecies as stated in the Bible are way on their way to being fulfilled and the end is near :skull:
Flag burning is B.S. in any country. This is the USA, and people have fought for and will continue to fight for our rights, Including B.S. like this!
BTW, are you sure this pic. was from today??? It seems a little warm across the country for beannies and jackets.

Kim Hanson
06-27-2006, 07:36 PM
:mad: Congress let a law slip thru today allowing the Desecration of the American Flag :mad:
This is the way these " Americans " celebrated :mad:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060626/060626_flagburn_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg
I honestly am starting to believe the prophecies as stated in the Bible are way on their way to being fulfilled and the end is near :skull:
Now you see why I get pissed off when you Ameriturds bash Canada, same shit!
.........( . )( . )...............I like you guys, you are neighbors to use ! I can't move ya, so I have to live with you focks
:p :D

Pro Max
06-27-2006, 07:37 PM
Anyone like that should be escorted out of the Country PERIOD. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. :220v:

barbigrl
06-27-2006, 07:42 PM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.
U know what I say to those idiots burning our flag....GET THE **** OUT!!! Regardless if it "has always" been like this....you should not condone the burning of a flag people have DIED for~~~

No Name
06-27-2006, 07:44 PM
U know what I say to those idiots burning our flag....GET THE **** OUT!!! Regardless if it "has always" been like this....you should not condone the burning of a flag people have DIED for~~~
You beet me to it, but I’ll say it anyways.
This is a very touchy subject, but I will have to say. If you want to burn our FLAG, then get the FOCK OUT Of HERE. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

moneypit
06-27-2006, 07:50 PM
If you want to burn our FLAG, then get the FOCK OUT Of HERE. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I agree with this entirely. However I dont agree that Good Ol' USA is No more. I thin thats just ducking and running. I believe that the majority of this country stands behind our Flag and Troops. I have never personally witnessed a flag being burnt nor have I met someone that wanted to.
Im not sure that this was a "law" that was let through. From what I understand this is an act to amend a part of the constitution. Correct me if Im wrong.

Hardin18454
06-27-2006, 07:59 PM
Hey Kim Hanson! I dont know you so I hope you are just jokeing about the "Ameriturds" and "you are neighbors to USE" crap. If you are kidding then ha ha but if you are not you suck a**.

Kim Hanson
06-27-2006, 08:17 PM
Hey Kim Hanson! I dont know you so I hope you are just jokeing about the "Ameriturds" and "you are neighbors to USE" crap. If you are kidding then ha ha but if you are not you suck a**.
I allways kid around, lighten up or whe can go hard time
:crossx: , you ready for that ?.............( . )( . )............

buzzaro
06-27-2006, 08:19 PM
Hey Froggystyle, It surprises me as a veteran that you are not bothered by this. I am also a Vet and it really pisses me off. It hurts me in ways I can't even describe!! I also have 2 kids in the Military, and I don't have to tell you how they feel. :mad:
What should piss you off is not that someone can do it, but that they would want to.

No Name
06-27-2006, 08:21 PM
I allways kid around, lighten up or whe can go hard time
:crossx: , you ready for that ?.............( . )( . )............
I’m your huckleberry…… :D

Froggystyle
06-27-2006, 08:27 PM
I don't think it is fair to insinuate that my undying support of our Constitutional right to free speech is in any way supportive of flag burning. I vehemently support your right to do it though. As with any subversive action, I think you can expect consequences if you were to do it near me. Like the inability to eat solid food for a while.

ZTFab
06-27-2006, 08:32 PM
What ignorance!!
Degradation of the symbol that provides the freedoms that these people don't seem to use but ABUSE is just plain ignorance.
I LOVE this country and am thankful for all of the rights that we, as Americans, share. It is just sad and disappointing that some of them choose to express themselves in these ways. What is it proving?? To me, it just says, " I have NOTHING to contribute to this country nor do I have anything actually important to say."
If you want to exercise your rights, especially that of free speech, then do it by vocalizing your cause and validating your point with pertinent facts, not hiding behind the flames of the symbol that so many men and women have given their life protecting just because you don't have anything intelligent to say.
Paul

bignet
06-27-2006, 08:45 PM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.
I agree...as Americans we have the right to be assholes. You cannot get all butt hurt when shit like this passes...you should be thankful. Our men and women serving this great country are fighting for us to NOT BE UNDER COMMUNIST CONTROL...you want an America where a f*ckin Fidel Castro moderates and controls when and where you shit???!!! Come on...let's not get all butt hurt over our constitutional rights? If it was ok for George Washington it's cool with me..and he was the baddest rebel around.
:crossx:
bignet

Jyruiz
06-27-2006, 08:51 PM
I think burning the flag is way wrong, I was not born in this country, but I am a U.S citizen, burn the flag in front of me, and you won't make it home under your own power. The worst part about all this is that people use free speech to get away with way too much, they are cowards and hide behind the amendments. Last time I check, speech was voiced, not acted, f'ng people.

wsuwrhr
06-27-2006, 09:29 PM
What should piss you off is not that someone can do it, but that they would want to.
Exactly.

Ultrafied
06-27-2006, 09:36 PM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.
I have to agree with you on this. As hard as it is stomach, it is everyone's right to be heard. I've said it before here, it is a definite double edge sword in freedom of speech. We all want it, but hate to hear anything we don't agree with.
As for myself, I don't agree with it, but they have their rights .... and I have mine in disagreeing with theirs, both verbally and in actions.

Drift
06-27-2006, 09:53 PM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.
Not to discredit any of the blood sweat and tears that you and your fellow soldiers have given for this country (more than I have for sure), I must disagree and will try to bend your ear on this one. I have never been a fan of big goverment and am pro individual freedoms (witin reason). So here I go.....
Fact: When people say that we are a nation of imigrants they are wrong. The largest influx of imigrants this country has seen (since it's inception)was roughly between 1880 and 1920 when the total population of Foriegn Born (non-native born poeples) was approx. 18%. So, by nature the above statement is wrong, the majority of Americans has always been native born American. Where am I going with this statement? Well as you know history states that durring this time we basically saw the fracturing of our society. Classism, Racial and Sociological Segregation were the norm. This massive influx of imigration hurt the country because people do not generally assimilate, they hold on to foriegn concepts and ideals that do not work well within our society. They teach their children forieng and un-american ways.
My point... Here we are running close to that same swing of non-foriegn born immigrants (LEGAL AND ILLEGAL) at approx 15% and rapidly climbing. Look around you, everything is a deviation off of some other foriegn country. Almost all of the traditional American values are dissolving, we as a country are loosing our own identity. America is not the same now as it was then. Almost all major cities across our country are being segmented... Little Tokyo, Spanish Districts, Greek, Jewish and the like... These areas are becoming havens for people who left their homeland, but for all intents and purposes do NOT value American Ideals. Because of this, it is changing how we all live in our daily lives, how our children are tought and most importasntly how we come together as a society. The further the line goes and gets blurred the worse it is for ALL OF US. Statements of people embracing foreign cultures and ideals over American: I'm an AFRICAN-American, I'm a MEXICAN-American etc. Dissention amongst the people against the gorerment be it Republican or Democrat or what have you grows stronger every day. Our own elected officals (Califorinia: Gill Sedio (sp?)) for example no longer have the best intrests of American society as their number one priority.
At some point we as a people have to (much like our founding fathers did) draw a perverbial "line in the sand". The Flag used to mean something special... We have all seen how we can come together as a people (911 sadly) forced us to. We must fight to get the American ideals back to our people, so we won't see mobs of people running across our country desecrating everything you and your friends, our sons and daughters have given their lives for.
You fought for our rights, that is true, but you fought primarily for American ideals YOU wore our flag... The American flag is the embodiement of everything we and you as a soldier stood for. That flag has sadly become a mere shadow of itself in the recent years as more and more people within our own borders could care less about America. Hanging it upside down, putting it below a foriegn flag within our own borders, been drug across the ground and burnt. By letting this bill slide our own government has shown its apithy, by it itself caring less and less for "Which it Stands". This is why I feel that we should all say enough is enough, we have been kind and generous but we must all come together and stop our current state of self destruction. It is a fact that at this rate 1/4 of the total population will be Foreign Born within the next 25 years. America will be unrecognizable as we know it today.
I am not a "Dooms Dayer" or a racist, or a seperatist, just a father and a person that loves America. I want my daughter to grow up in the greatest country in the world, not a microcosim of little foriegn countries.

hoochiebandit
06-27-2006, 10:50 PM
lets be real this country hasnt been free for along time
this country is ruled by money
the richer you are the free'er you are
I dont agree with burning the flag but to think that it stands for the same thing it did two hundred years ago is just stupid

Drift
06-27-2006, 11:01 PM
As a point of fact, the US is referred to as a nation of immigrants because 100% of the people that came here and founded this country were foreign born immigrants.
As it tried to state clearly (since our inception).
And, just so we're on the same page, could you define American ideal?
The American ideal gives us protections not only for the consent of the governed to be protected from INTRUSIVE FORIEGN GOVERNMENTS, but for the rights and sovereignty of the people.
Because my last post was very long winded, and in no means meaning to be offensive (for which I get the feeling you are) I will simply state that one should read the Declaration of Independence, which is, in effect, a mission statement for the American ideal.

Freak
06-28-2006, 04:32 AM
I don't think it is fair to insinuate that my undying support of our Constitutional right to free speech is in any way supportive of flag burning. I vehemently support your right to do it though. As with any subversive action, I think you can expect consequences if you were to do it near me. Like the inability to eat solid food for a while.
LOL...exactly...It would kill me to see it being done...but you gotta let them do it....then follow them to a dark alley

Sleek-Jet
06-28-2006, 04:44 AM
Freedom is a state of mind
Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose... :D

Jbb
06-28-2006, 04:55 AM
Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose... :D
windshield wipers slappin time....

Tom Brown
06-28-2006, 05:11 AM
Eddie got slit in the jugular vein...

Jbb
06-28-2006, 05:26 AM
Eddie got slit in the jugular vein...
they were two more friends of mine....... :p

Dribble
06-28-2006, 05:55 AM
And I have and will fight for someones right to do just that. It is part of why we are Americans. The freedom to be assholes is part of the whole deal. That isn't liberal... that is constitutionally protected. Same thing that allows you to speak your mind about a President, or a jackass like Sharpton.
And with regard to the title "Good ol USA is no more" hot tip... it has always been like this. Since the days of George Washington. It has been Constitutionally protected since day one. If that motion had been approved this would have been an appropriate title.
You are so right. This country was founded on the principle that dissent has to be protected. If that means that low life pieces of s*&t assholes get to burn the flag then so be it. I would suggest that they go do it at next week's fourth of July celebrations. Because they way I see it, I still have the right to kick their sorry asses.

JMC
06-28-2006, 06:33 AM
:mad: Congress let a law slip thru today allowing the Desecration of the American Flag :mad:
This is the way these " Americans " celebrated :mad:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060626/060626_flagburn_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg
I honestly am starting to believe the prophecies as stated in the Bible are way on their way to being fulfilled and the end is near :skull:
I have never understood why someone would want to burn the American Flag. We live in the greatest country in the world and everyone here has an opportunity to make the best of it and even get their free handouts. I think its pretty fitting that the the people in the picture doing the burning have their faces covered......they must not feel too confident about what they are doing. One thing about it, the only people doing the burning are total loser's and they are usually getting what they deserve in other area's in their life. I bet any judge wouldnt be too sympathetic for someone that got their head waxed by another for burning "our" US flag.

H20 Toie
06-28-2006, 06:43 AM
I fully support someones right to burn the flag as long as they will support my right to kick the crap out of them.

probablecause
06-28-2006, 06:47 AM
I am so sick of the "handout" mentality. I need to start my own country or win the lottery and buy a state

atomickitn
06-28-2006, 07:04 AM
I am so sick of the "handout" mentality. I need to start my own country or win the lottery and buy a state
when you do i will be your first resident!!!! U.S.A.

Dave C
06-28-2006, 08:06 AM
I agree with this and Froggystyle.
I much smarter man than I once said.. "the most unpopular free speech needs the most protection"
burning a flag is the most disrespectful and dispicable act but shouldn't be illegal.
I think Rexone has it right.... follows those fawkers into a dark alley. :crossx:
Nice post.
I am, BTW, a veteran too. Today it's burning a flag that is against the law, tomorrow, what are you going to let them take from you? Who gets to decide what acts are not protected by free speech? You guys? No thanks, I'll take my chances with the Constitution as it was written over 200 years ago, right after we burned English flags and fought for our freedom.

Dave C
06-28-2006, 08:13 AM
thats it damn it :mad: ... I'm gonna go take a big fat "brown" on a canadian flag... RIGHT NOW! ;)
lol! :D :D :D :D
I think resource should be removed from SWAT and gang law enforcement units and redeployed to a new sacred flag unit. Gangland crime and murders are nothing compared to someone burning a symbolic piece of nylon cloth.

probablecause
06-28-2006, 08:19 AM
I've always asked "If you must burn our flag at least wrap yourself in it first".
A'men to that.
burning a flag is the most disrespectful and dispicable act but shouldn't be illegal.
Ok, how about pissing on the flag??? That is also a form of expression, should we tolerate that too? Whatever vomit wants to roll out of someone's mouth - Ok, but to desecrate this Country's symbol - I still don't see how that is free speach or some other B.S. protected right.

Froggystyle
06-28-2006, 08:42 AM
Because they way I see it, I still have the right to kick their sorry asses.
I fully support someones right to burn the flag as long as they will support my right to kick the crap out of them.
Actually, not to be derisive but that isn't your right. That is not protected by the constitution nor is it legal. You would go to jail for assault and battery, possibly even a hate crime for beating someone up for expressing their right to free speech. You might get a lienient judge, but guess who you would probably be going to for legal support? ACLU... no kidding.
This is a slippery slope. You can't protect one version of free speech and not another.

Outnumbered
06-28-2006, 08:45 AM
Burning the flag is not "speaking". Its pretty simple.
Say what you want, its your right. But the flag should be held in the highest respect.

Dave C
06-28-2006, 09:13 AM
thats kind of the point.... desecration is still an expression of free speech, albeit a completely pointless one. :mad: I don't agree with it but its still protected.
we just can't limit these type of expressions because it gives precedent for the "other guy" to limit your expressions of free speech. How would you like it if your opponent said that you can't express your opinion because he thinks its "despicable?"
Ok, how about pissing on the flag??? That is also a form of expression, should we tolerate that too? Whatever vomit wants to roll out of someone's mouth - Ok, but to desecrate this Country's symbol - I still don't see how that is free speach or some other B.S. protected right.

Outnumbered
06-28-2006, 09:33 AM
thats kind of the point.... desecration is still an expression of free speech, albeit a completely pointless one. :mad: I don't agree with it but its still protected.
we just can't limit these type of expressions because it gives precedent for the "other guy" to limit your expressions of free speech. ...You are falling into the liberal trap. Desecrating/destroying/vandalism/etc. is not speaking. The liberals love stretching the original intent of the 1st amendment to include things like burning the flag of the very country that gives them the right to SPEAK their mind. The constitution does not expressly say we have the freedom of expression, it says "...or abridging the freedom of speech..." which is SPEAKING. The liberals love to spin the intent of the founding fathers to give themselves a free pass to shit on the very country that gives them their freedom.
How would you like it if your opponent said that you can't express your opinion because he thinks its "despicable?" With all due respect, that is a stupid question that has nothing to do with burning the flag. I'm not advocating shutting anybody up or squelching anyone's opinion. You are getting off track.

Jyruiz
06-28-2006, 09:34 AM
thats kind of the point.... desecration is still an expression of free speech, albeit a completely pointless one. :mad: I don't agree with it but its still protected.
we just can't limit these type of expressions because it gives precedent for the "other guy" to limit your expressions of free speech. How would you like it if your opponent said that you can't express your opinion because he thinks its "despicable?"
The thing is that they know it's despicable and that is why they do it.

pumpercaptain
06-28-2006, 09:35 AM
A Lesson For Americans by Mike Dalka
My Grandfather was a glider infantryman in WWII, an advisor in Korea, and lost one of his sons, my uncle Gary Edwards, in Vietnam. I worked in his auto repair station during high school and he flew his flag in front daily. One day while I was sweeping the oil dry out of the bays it began to sprinkle rain. He told me to go get the flag and I said "gimme a second." He said, "It is raining, go get the flag NOW." Well I popped off my mouth about how he should cool it, it isn't going to melt or some such typical teenage comment.
My grandfather is the toughest man I've ever met. He explained once that he thought basic training was some sort of country club during WWII, because he was used to hard work anyway, and at home he didn't have indoor toilets or hot running water! And when I said whatever it was that I said to him, he turned deep crimson and I thought, "God save me, he's going to kill me for talking back." Instead tears welled up in his eyes and he squeaked out "You don't understand what this family has paid for the right to fly that flag." Then he turned his back on me and went out and got the flag. I just stood there feeling like the smallest person to ever live. Those words cut me so deep. I wish the entire country could have heard them.
[ I ] hope that this Nation might yet have enough people who understand the cost of liberty to turn things around.
Well said... it is unfortunate that some lower themselves and choose to do disgraceful and disrespectful things out of ignorance or plain spite.
But I do agree the good ole USA is in a crash dive due to so many reasons I don't know where to begin...

pumpercaptain
06-28-2006, 09:42 AM
Usa

Outnumbered
06-28-2006, 09:45 AM
Here ya go...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15009

MrsSigEpMock
06-28-2006, 10:13 AM
Incase anyone cares....
I am on the fence over this one. I would never personally burn the US flag. To me it represents my rights, the men & women who fought for this country, the people of other countries that were saved by those same men and women, and even people who aspire to become legal, good hearted-citzens of this great country. It also represents the fact that if I ever did feel so strong about something to make me burn the flag, I could do so. (Enter: Fence) However, burning the flag would personally signify my abdonment of my right to do so - so it is circular. It would take something really unimaginable to make me burn the flag. :rollside:

Liberator TJ1984
06-28-2006, 11:02 AM
Lot's of good point's here from both sides , just when I posted this I personnally feel that it's just not right.The Flag is a way of life that goes from the troops who protect Us and this country down to the little Mom and Pop stores to the average Joe. As the saying goes " is nothing Sacred anymore? " Everywhere I look America is Imploding upon itself , Everything I was taught to be proper growing up - from my great great grandfather to teachers to priests, now is unacceptable by others........that is what I actuall meant by saying Good Ol' USA is no more.....
Now I'm a bad parent for teaching my kids to pray.....and
sorry someones Grandma , its not accepable for me to help you with your bags and hold a door open for you anymore ....I might offend others :rolleyes:

FLEA DIDDY
06-28-2006, 11:13 AM
Not to discredit any of the blood sweat and tears that you and your fellow soldiers have given for this country (more than I have for sure), I must disagree and will try to bend your ear on this one. I have never been a fan of big goverment and am pro individual freedoms (witin reason). So here I go.....
Fact: When people say that we are a nation of imigrants they are wrong. The largest influx of imigrants this country has seen (since it's inception)was roughly between 1880 and 1920 when the total population of Foriegn Born (non-native born poeples) was approx. 18%. So, by nature the above statement is wrong, the majority of Americans has always been native born American. Where am I going with this statement? Well as you know history states that durring this time we basically saw the fracturing of our society. Classism, Racial and Sociological Segregation were the norm. This massive influx of imigration hurt the country because people do not generally assimilate, they hold on to foriegn concepts and ideals that do not work well within our society. They teach their children forieng and un-american ways.
My point... Here we are running close to that same swing of non-foriegn born immigrants (LEGAL AND ILLEGAL) at approx 15% and rapidly climbing. Look around you, everything is a deviation off of some other foriegn country. Almost all of the traditional American values are dissolving, we as a country are loosing our own identity. America is not the same now as it was then. Almost all major cities across our country are being segmented... Little Tokyo, Spanish Districts, Greek, Jewish and the like... These areas are becoming havens for people who left their homeland, but for all intents and purposes do NOT value American Ideals. Because of this, it is changing how we all live in our daily lives, how our children are tought and most importasntly how we come together as a society. The further the line goes and gets blurred the worse it is for ALL OF US. Statements of people embracing foreign cultures and ideals over American: I'm an AFRICAN-American, I'm a MEXICAN-American etc. Dissention amongst the people against the gorerment be it Republican or Democrat or what have you grows stronger every day. Our own elected officals (Califorinia: Gill Sedio (sp?)) for example no longer have the best intrests of American society as their number one priority.
At some point we as a people have to (much like our founding fathers did) draw a perverbial "line in the sand". The Flag used to mean something special... We have all seen how we can come together as a people (911 sadly) forced us to. We must fight to get the American ideals back to our people, so we won't see mobs of people running across our country desecrating everything you and your friends, our sons and daughters have given their lives for.
You fought for our rights, that is true, but you fought primarily for American ideals YOU wore our flag... The American flag is the embodiement of everything we and you as a soldier stood for. That flag has sadly become a mere shadow of itself in the recent years as more and more people within our own borders could care less about America. Hanging it upside down, putting it below a foriegn flag within our own borders, been drug across the ground and burnt. By letting this bill slide our own government has shown its apithy, by it itself caring less and less for "Which it Stands". This is why I feel that we should all say enough is enough, we have been kind and generous but we must all come together and stop our current state of self destruction. It is a fact that at this rate 1/4 of the total population will be Foreign Born within the next 25 years. America will be unrecognizable as we know it today.
I am not a "Dooms Dayer" or a racist, or a seperatist, just a father and a person that loves America. I want my daughter to grow up in the greatest country in the world, not a microcosim of little foriegn countries.Fantastic post!!!! but in reality this is the wrong place most peeps around here would rather raise a stink about some jaggoff lobbing for catalytic converters on boats than worry about the country, that in itself is pathetic. It's ashame............

pumpercaptain
06-28-2006, 12:10 PM
How did u do that Outnumbered??? Thats what I wanted to do and couldn't figure it out.

Outnumbered
06-28-2006, 12:41 PM
How did u do that Outnumbered??? Thats what I wanted to do and couldn't figure it out.
You have to copy the URL of the photo and paste it. Here is some detailed info:
http://www.***boat.com/forums/announcement.php?f=20

Drift
06-28-2006, 01:00 PM
Fantastic post!!!! but in reality this is the wrong place most peeps around here would rather raise a stink about some jaggoff lobbing for catalytic converters on boats than worry about the country, that in itself is pathetic. It's ashame............
Thanks Flea... it truely is a shame

Sanger D
06-28-2006, 01:08 PM
but most of them lame!!!!!!!Instead of giving your opinions(wich is ironic, the flag is a great reason why you can),go to the frickin library and look up the constitution and the decloration and READ IT!!!!!!!!LOOK UP the power that the flag is supposed to have and represent.Then look up the vision letter wrote by Goerge Washington and remember that YOU do have the right to freedom of speech,BUT, this country was founded by Christian men with Christian beleifs,and you are sworn to protect them(even when being sworn in as a new citizen).Those laws and beleifs should remain regardless of your FELLINGS or what YOU THINK!!!!!Any one who trys to change the over all veiw on these is pobably anti American and does'nt even know it!!!So go and do some home work and then come back and post,otherwise you are just spewing crap that you know nothing about,,,,,...............luckily for you ,the ones that gave their lives and the ones still giving ,have done so that you can give your ASSinine views on how YOU want the country to be or change.Just because you don't like it does'nt give you the right to change it.The minute they took prayer and saying the pledge of aligence out of OUR schools was a instant major step BACKWARDS!!!!and a kick in the teeth for ALL who beleive in the true values of this country.THIS isn't burger king, you can't have it YOUR way!!!There has to be a strong unbroken way,and that way is OUR forefathers way!!!!GO read about it so you will know what your talking about and not just giving your opinion,and then you will have something to give and offer,start to contribute!!!!!!!!Vote and write a letter to your congressman!!!!!

Sanger D
06-28-2006, 01:22 PM
Oh by the way, the FLAG is NOT a symbol,You need to learn about how much power and right and Liberation(liberty)that it has to those who fly,hold and wear it,learn yourself on the kind of flags there are,(judicial and what not)and you will be amazed on what you find out!!!!!Remember this ....ONLY a FLAG with red white and blue and NO border is a REAL AMERICAN POWER FLAG!!!!!any other flag(such as a gold tassled or the like is a worthless Judicail flag,its power relies on the STATE in wich it is flown under for strength and power,and has to be accompanied by the STATE flag in wich it resides, court house and Governmant offices, ect.YOU WIL NEVER SEE a widow given or a man be barried with anything but a true RED WHITE and BLUE FLAG!!!!IT is to be RESPECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

esabataj
06-28-2006, 01:23 PM
I very rarely post here on Hot Boat but I've been a member for a long time. This subject is near and dear to me. I've been honored but heart broken to have recieved our country's greatest symbol twice in my lifetime. Once for my father and once for my oldest brother. I still have both of them to this day. They fought and died so these a**holes have the right to do what they do.
To me it is the lowest form of expression any coward can take.
That is my right to feel that way about them.
To all our service men and women.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing what you do. You honor our country by serving and we are eteranally greatful.
http://www.cem.va.gov/images/bflag.jpg

Seadog
06-28-2006, 01:38 PM
The flag is something that stirs the heart of patriotic Americans. The most emotional scene in my memory, was a high school football game one night. My father was walking across the end zone when the flag raising ceremony started. The sight of his standing there in his old field jacket, the memories of those friends of his, that gave the ultimate in Vietnam, on his face, was something of true belief. We stir at the sight of of the flag over the Murrah Building, the WTC, Iwo Jima, and many other significant moments It is a symbol of sacrifice and bravery that binds most of us together.
Even so, I have to remember what a teacher told my class once. We asked why the KKK was allowed to march when what they promoted was so wrong. She said that the only way to be truly free, is to accept that evil exists, and to fight it with education. We may not like their message, but too many brave people have fought for their right to speak.
Decent people will renounce evil when confronted with it. We do not have to ignore evil, but we cannot use the very weapons they want to have, against them. Flag burners do so to create anger. They want public confrontation. I would prefer a nice quiet alley and steel toe boots. Not to stomp, just to prevent procreation diluting the genes.:D

Dave C
06-28-2006, 01:42 PM
I strongly disagree. Free speech is not limited to just "speech". The original intent of the first amendment was to protect all forms of political expression, including political dissent which is exactly what flag burning is. Just do a little search of the history and you will see.
This has nothing to do with liberalism but it has everything to do with our individual liberties. Expressions of free speech have been upheld by the supreme court all throughout our history.
I agree that free speech should not cover destruction or vandalism.
BTW I agree with you guys. Flag burners are misguided disgruntled individuals that don't appreciate the freedom that they have and therefore should GET THE F*CK out and/or we should show them the door...... :crossx:
The constitution does not expressly say we have the freedom of expression, it says "...or abridging the freedom of speech..." which is SPEAKING.
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Outnumbered
06-28-2006, 01:53 PM
I strongly disagree. Free speech is not limited to just "speech". The original intent of the first amendment was to protect all forms of political expression, including political dissent which is exactly what flag burning is. Just do a little search of the history and you will see.
This has nothing to do with liberalism but it has everything to do with our individual liberties. Expressions of free speech have been upheld by the supreme court all throughout our history.
I agree that free speech should not cover destruction or vandalism.
BTW I agree with you guys. Flag burners are misguided disgruntled individuals that don't appreciate the freedom that they have and therefore should GET THE F*CK out and/or we should show them the door...... :crossx:
I know we are in agreement that it is disrespectful and we are all against it here. I hope you didn't take any of my comments personally, as I am just participating in a good healthy debate here. But I think that it has everything to do with liberalism. The interpretation of our rights and the constitution by the ACLU is a perfect example of just how out of control liberalism is.

Dave C
06-28-2006, 01:55 PM
I didn't make my point correctly. Freedom is a two way street. For you & I to have the right to stand up and tell these assclowns that burning the flag is offensive to us then we must give them the same right to make the offensive political expression in the first place.....
or we should have the right to burn a liberals flag (you know which one I'm talking about) :yuk:
(right before we kick their asses ;))
With all due respect, that is a stupid question that has nothing to do with burning the flag. I'm not advocating shutting anybody up or squelching anyone's opinion. You are getting off track.

Dave C
06-28-2006, 01:59 PM
no offsense taken.. It sounds like we would agree on alot of things.... I live in the backyard of the ninth circus court of appeals.... most of those ass-bags judges and lawyers live by me.. I have to hear it everday!! :mad: :mad:
maybe we should all get together and have a kick the ass of your local flag burner/ACLU attorney day.... ;) ;)
I know we are in agreement that it is disrespectful and we are all against it here. I hope you didn't take any of my comments personally, as I am just participating in a good healthy debate here. But I think that it has everything to do with liberalism. The interpretation of our rights and the constitution by the ACLU is a perfect example of just how out of control liberalism is.

Liberator TJ1984
06-28-2006, 02:46 PM
if you were to burn a LULAC or NAACP flag :rolleyes:

Sleek-Jet
06-28-2006, 05:17 PM
if you were to burn a LULAC or NAACP flag :rolleyes:
Nothing... Though you'd probably get a boot to the chest... :D
Even if the bill would have passed the Senate yesterday, it still would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. I'd be astounded if I would have seen a ratified "Flag Burning" ammendment to the constitution in my life time. I believe there is no time frame on ratification set out in the constitution (though congress can set a 7 year limit), so one or two states could string this along for decades if they so desire. And, it would only take 12 states to defeat the 3/4 super majority.
But everyone knew that, I'm sure... :rolleyes:

JAY4SPEED
06-28-2006, 06:40 PM
:mad: Congress let a law slip thru today allowing the Desecration of the American Flag :mad:
This is the way these " Americans " celebrated :mad:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060626/060626_flagburn_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg
I honestly am starting to believe the prophecies as stated in the Bible are way on their way to being fulfilled and the end is near :skull:
What they see : Freedom of speech
What I see: An Arsonist
from dictionary.com
ar·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärsn)
n.
The crime of maliciously, voluntarily, and willfully setting fire to the building, buildings, or other property of another or of burning one's own property for an improper purpose, as to collect insurance.

bchbum
06-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Here's the bad part , where's your flag made at ? If it's like mine , that would be China . I couldn't find 1 made here .

Sleek-Jet
06-28-2006, 06:43 PM
windshield wipers slappin time....
We sang every song that driver knew...

Tom Brown
06-28-2006, 06:44 PM
But it is still a symbol that represents what most believe in. A flag is nothing without those idealisms, and it is those idealisms that make American what it is/was
lmfao! :D
Canuck1's Ph. D is in political science and public relations.

rodnjen
06-28-2006, 06:44 PM
I don't like their actions but I'll respect and defend their right to do it.

Kim Hanson
06-28-2006, 08:02 PM
I’m your huckleberry…… :D
I never asked for HuckleFairy :p ..........( . )( . )..........

Froggystyle
06-29-2006, 07:37 AM
What they see : Freedom of speech
What I see: An Arsonist
from dictionary.com
ar·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärsn)
n.
The crime of maliciously, voluntarily, and willfully setting fire to the building, buildings, or other property of another or of burning one's own property for an improper purpose, as to collect insurance.
Except of course the fact that it is their flag... They bought it, they can do what they want to with it.
BTW... as an argument, I heard some liberal Democrat likening Kid Rock, draping himself in an American flag while on stage as a desecration of the flag. Argueing (effectively I might add) that he was invited to perform at the Republican National Convention and that the Republicans "partied" with him...
You just can't go down this road. You can't limit free speech to free speech that most Americans want to hear.