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DMB
01-11-2002, 03:58 PM
I just got a call and was told that steve (owner htm) and 1 other person were killed while testing today i hope im wrong.

HBjet
01-11-2002, 04:10 PM
I got a call too, and unfortunately it is true. My condolences go out to the families who have suffered a great loss.
HBjet

Chestah Cheetah
01-11-2002, 04:11 PM
I just got a call also: It was reported that Ken Lane was killed and the other two were not known to my source except that one was helivaced out.
FOLKS, PEOPLE DIED TODAY........PLEASE HAVE RESPECT AND DO NOT START TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF TODAYS EVENTS.
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Craig
01-11-2002, 04:26 PM
Wow, that's sad, really makes you think about how fragile we all really are http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif Condolensces to the family.

waterndog
01-11-2002, 04:29 PM
Very sad. My condolences go out to the families.

SVO 540
01-11-2002, 04:42 PM
Oh my fricking god. Please, someone tell me this isn't true.

JETBOAT BRIAN
01-11-2002, 04:47 PM
Very, very sad, apperently true.My deepest condolences to Lia, and the families of those involved .. terrible news

DMB
01-11-2002, 04:57 PM
From what Ive heard,steve, ken Lane, and Mr Pump,and 1 other (unconfirmed) My condolences to all.

Blown Lavey
01-11-2002, 04:57 PM
I hope this is not true. This is a sad day for boating. God Speed.

Reaper1
01-11-2002, 05:00 PM
This is not a good way to end a Friday. Peace and love to all involved.

SVO 540
01-11-2002, 05:00 PM
Many of you are getting this info. From what source?

RiverDave2
01-11-2002, 05:01 PM
I'm am so sorry to hear about this.
I know that I've poked a little fun at HTM's in the past, but the phrase "Funny's, funny but this isn't funny" comes to mind. If there's anything that I can do to help the families please don't hesitate to ask.
RD

Boatjob
01-11-2002, 05:04 PM
May our condolensces go out to all the families of the lost ones.

SVO 540
01-11-2002, 05:04 PM
Riverdave,
Was mrpumps in the boat? Have you talked to him? Where did you get the info? Please tell me it is not true.

RiverDave2
01-11-2002, 05:08 PM
SVO540, I don't know who was in or who wasn't in the boat.. I can say though that Mr.Pump was getting ready to go for a ride in the boat last time I talked to him on his cell phone.. Since then it only goes to voice mail, but that doesn't necesarrily mean he was in the boat at the time of the incident. I'll keep trying and let you know as soon as I get a hold of him.
RD

racingrascal
01-11-2002, 05:10 PM
I have recieved the phone calls as well. If in fact this is true the marine industry has lost some great people. My condolences to the friends and family members involed. But we can all hope that this isn't true.
Andy
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RiverDave2
01-11-2002, 05:11 PM
He was going to take a picture of the GPS and the dashboard when they achieved 135 and e-mail it to me tonight to post on the board.. I'm still hoping that it wasn't him in the boat.
RD

SVO 540
01-11-2002, 05:13 PM
Riverdave, How did you hear about this?

DMB
01-11-2002, 05:17 PM
Got the original news from the guys at teague marine in valencia,and then confirmed by a couple of other reliable sources. Its already on the news channels.

RiverDave2
01-11-2002, 05:22 PM
There's a guy that I know indirectly at the lake right now.
Apparently there were no survivors and no life flight. There still not sure as to who was in the boat.
RD

HTM Racing
01-11-2002, 05:23 PM
This is Karen from HTM at this time we have not had confirmation on what happened at the site of the accident except that yes, there was an accident. Please, do not call at this time and I will post when I know what you need to know about what is going on. Thank you for all of your concerns.

Laveyman
01-11-2002, 05:46 PM
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif May God's grace be with all of those involved.

C-Ya
01-11-2002, 05:47 PM
I am sorry to hear about what happened. I feel bad for anything that I have posted about HTM in the past. My condolences to all parties involved.
C-Ya

RiverToysJas
01-11-2002, 05:48 PM
Very sad, I'll say a prayer for the families.
RTJas

Mn Howard Cat
01-11-2002, 05:51 PM
To all of you at HTM friends and family. MY condolences go out to you on this tragic day be stong are thoughts are with you

HBjet
01-11-2002, 06:09 PM
Channel 7 is covering the accident right now
HBjet
Ok, they down played it and said one person died when rescures reached them. That was it. I'm pissed, they made it sound like just some little misfortune and it isn't. They need to relize the boating industry has suffered a tremondous loss.
HBjet
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Boatjob
01-11-2002, 06:09 PM
I just saw the NBC news and they reported to the accident with HTM. They reported that only one man died but his name was unreleased. They related the accident to high winds at Castaic. This is a sad day in the boating world.

RiverDave2
01-11-2002, 06:11 PM
I sincerely Hope that there was only one fatality.
RD

Infomaniac
01-11-2002, 06:11 PM
I am terribly saddened by this news. I can imagine the feelings of the families and employees of HTM. Working at American Airlines myself, the past few months have put this type of tragedy into perspective.

SVO 540
01-11-2002, 06:17 PM
ABC news channel 7 just reported the accident at lake castaic. They said "A boat sank at the boat launch killing one person"
I also talked to a reliable source who said 4 people died in the HTM crash.
Has any network reported this story in more detail than ABC news?

HUFFPOWER
01-11-2002, 06:38 PM
just called my sister in castaic,no answer,i hope my brother-in-law was not out there today, he to has an htm and is good friends with steve,ken,chuck(mrpumps),he was one of the first htm owners,this sucks not knowing all the facts,will post if i hear from my sister...scott

ULTRA28
01-11-2002, 06:45 PM
Our prayers go out to the HTM family, I hope my source is wrong, but I just spoke with a very reliable source that is very close to HTM and he has confirmed that there were three missing (presumed dead) and one confirmed. I don't even know what to say at a time like this other than I will be praying for Steves wife and children, they are good people.

Daytona RON
01-11-2002, 06:46 PM
Hope it comes out, not to be true....

Laveyman
01-11-2002, 06:49 PM
Ultra28,
So your source is saying there are likely 4 casualties?

shockwaveharry
01-11-2002, 06:53 PM
I hope its not true.

DMB
01-11-2002, 06:59 PM
Ken lane is the only one found so far due to him wearing a life vest,Steve, Mr Pump and one other are missing,Mr Pumps truck is still in the parking lot at castaic and hes no were to be found, one of the officers at castaic said the boat was doing at least 95 trying to make a wide turn and hit a roller then flipped into a barrel roll, (unconfirmed)

Chet 17
01-11-2002, 07:53 PM
check this link
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/011102_NW_BOAT.html
Copy and open new browser, sorry I dont know how to link

JohnwithJm
01-11-2002, 07:59 PM
My condolensces go out to the familys and friends of the people involved. This is a very sad day.

MissHBjet
01-11-2002, 08:15 PM
This is unbelievable! My prayers go out to the loved ones. If there is anything we can do to help in anyway dont hesitate to ask.
MissHBjet

MACH26
01-11-2002, 08:34 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Steve and Ken spent a lot of time with me when I was considering my next boat. They were hands down, some of the most personable people I've ever dealt with. It sent chills though my body as I read the news. My sincere condolences to all the family and friends. God Bless!
Mach26

modvptnl
01-11-2002, 08:35 PM
I'm trembling and speechless at the same time.
I'm still praying this is a bad dream.

WILDMAN
01-11-2002, 08:59 PM
Just goes to show, one minute life is great and every things going great, next minutes, it's over! I guess we need to think about the possibilities before we do what's fun. we all need to be careful. Life can end in a flash. WILDMAN- i think I'll slow down for a while

beached1
01-11-2002, 09:24 PM
wow. This is terrible news. It's a shame that life can be taken so easily. My condolences.

B-rad502
01-11-2002, 09:33 PM
This is a horrible day for all. It just goes to show, enjoy life while you can. This is the first I have been on this board since yesterday when evrybody was talking about the 150 mph run. I don't know what to think. Our thoughts and prayers are with all the friends and family. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif

MrHavasuCat
01-11-2002, 09:58 PM
Very sad news. My condolences go out to the families involved. Maybe we should all take a step back and think about life and how fragile it is. It is also a very sad loss for the boating world as well.

spectras only
01-11-2002, 10:05 PM
It's a sad day for all of us hot boat family members, brought together on these forums by the passion of our lives.It's a cruel reminder, things can go wrong in a flash.Rethink how we treat each other in our daily lives, and give respect regardless of differing opinions.My condolences to those who are closely touched by this terrible accident.
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DickDanger
01-11-2002, 10:12 PM
My condolences go out to the friends and family of these people. Very sad. Godspeed to all that were involved in the crash. -Dick Danger

HBjet
01-11-2002, 10:27 PM
Confirmed.
Ken Lane was the first one found.
Steve (owner of HTM)
Chuck (MrpumpsHTM)
And another person (sorry, I didn't get his name)
These three are still missing in the lake.
HBjet
More news in. The boat has been located 246ft under. The three missing have not been located, and the search will continue through the morning if needed.
HBjet
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Miss1Quickjet
01-11-2002, 11:10 PM
What a sad day for not only the families of those on the boat, but also for all those who are in the boat industry or who have any interests in boats at all. We will definitely be praying for the families of those involved.

Miss1Quickjet
01-11-2002, 11:10 PM
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Fufu Queen
01-11-2002, 11:31 PM
MAY MEMORIES COMFORT YOU
One who has lived
never truly dies,
but crosses a bridge
into the next life
where all is beautiful
and peaceful,
and the breeze
always whispers
of lasting love and
friendship.
May it ease
our sadness a bit
to know
that our precious memories
will always be a bridge
between this world
and the next,
between us and the ones we
have lost.
My thoughts and Prayers for friends and family. This is a hard time, and just know your never alone. RD if you need anything please call. As for any one else please, if you need anything we are always available. Our hearts are open to each and every one of you. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Fufu and Hustler

offshore
01-12-2002, 01:12 AM
in regards to the one missing person in the boat that was not identified nelson brinkman was a good person,god bless him and all who died and their families !!!

gigamurph
01-12-2002, 01:51 AM
As I eluded to on the Hot Boats, Hot Spots thread; we have lost 4 brothers from our boating "family". Words cannot convey how we all must feel. May the families of the brothers lost find strength from within as well as from all of us who send our condolences and prayers. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

gigamurph
01-12-2002, 01:54 AM
Please don't misunderstand my "smilie" http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif. I automatically change it when I post. It should be: http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif Sad, sad day.

Gamer
01-12-2002, 03:40 AM
This is a sad day.....
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif
My respects to the famlies.....
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif

HUFFPOWER
01-12-2002, 03:45 AM
if you look at the signal.com the newspaper from castaic area they have an article on the accident.

RumRunner
01-12-2002, 04:52 AM
This is a sad time for the boating world, for the friends, and families of those who passed. Hopefully everybody can learn from this.

Dimarco Kid
01-12-2002, 06:24 AM
Very sorry to hear all of this. You folks on the West Coast are wonderful people. It's said to here that we've lost some of you. You are also the people that started this wonderful hot boating sport. I am very sorry for the loss that the sport has taken today and would like to send my deepest condolences from the East Coast.
God Bless you all,
Dimarco Kid

beached1
01-12-2002, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by HUFFPOWER:
if you look at the signal.com the newspaper from castaic area they have an article on the accident.
Here's the url.
http://www.the-signal.com/main/0102/011202a.html
Once again, I'd just like to say sorry to hear of this.

***boat
01-12-2002, 09:43 AM
The story is now out on the AP wires as well:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020112/us/boat_flips_1.html

kab2
01-12-2002, 10:39 AM
Very very sad. My God welcome each and every one of them into heaven and give strength to the families.

pgf127rt
01-12-2002, 11:17 AM
Speaking as a retired dragboat racer, Performance boating has lost 4 of it's fellow members, our's is a fraternity from which much pleasure is derived by all who actively participate in any form of boating, sadly there are unfortunate circumstances, such as the above described incident where people lose their lives, these are times when you really don't know what to say to the loved ones of the victims, but from the bottom of my heart I feel your sorrow, and you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Joe Don Lewis
Pro Gas Flat 127
Granbury, Texas

Havasu Hangin'
01-12-2002, 11:22 AM
I am speechless...words are tough to describe our loss.

Havasu_Dreamin
01-12-2002, 12:47 PM
My condolences to the families of everyone involved.
HD

Charley
01-12-2002, 04:20 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with the families and loved ones of those lost in the accident ..... god bless you in this time of great loss and sadness....

Sigus
01-12-2002, 06:07 PM
This is the artical froom the Castaic local paper
Pub Date: Saturday, January 12, 2002
Dead, Missing at Lake
One fatality confirmed at Castaic Reservoir; authorities searching for three others in boating mishap.
By Patti Shea
Signal Staff Writer
Three men are feared dead and one man is confirmed dead after the boat they were riding in capsized then sank at Castaic Lake on Friday afternoon.
Los Angeles County Sheriff’s officials said the body of Ken Lane, 41, of La Canada was recovered from the wreckage, and a dive team was deployed to search for the other three passengers: Steve Coulombe, 38, of Agua Dulce; Nelson Roy Brinkman, 30, of Phelan; and Chuck Weisman, 47, of Castaic.
Sheriff’s officials believe the boat was traveling approximately 80 mph at 2 p.m. on the upper lake when it reportedly flipped then subsequently sank 240 feet. The speed limit at Castaic Lake is 35 mph.
Cause of the crash was still under investigation at press time and authorities said they didn’t know if alcohol was involved.
Sheriff’s spokeswoman Brenda Cambra said Lane wasn’t wearing a life preserver when lifeguards pulled his body from the lake, but added it could have fallen off. Cambra said lake officials estimated 20-30 boats on the lake on Friday.
Cambra described the boat as a 30-foot long twin engine racing class boat.
Preliminary reports stated the tip of the boat was discovered by passing boaters, who searched for the missing men. Lifeguards were immediately alerted and responded to the crash. They found Lane’s body floating near the wreckage.
The sheriff’s specialized diving team didn’t arrive on the scene until 9 p.m.
Family and friends waited at the top of the launch ramp into the night for word from divers about their loved ones. A sheriff’s chaplain was on hand for the grieving.
Coulombe owns High Torque Marine, a boating specialty design company, out of Acton and Barstow.
A friend of all four, who wished to remain anonymous, said Coulombe lives for racing and building boats.
“(Coulombe) was an innovator,” the Castaic man said. “Steve loved what he did.” Lake Havasu in Arizona is one of Coulombe’s favorite testing grounds, he said.
The friend, who has known Coulombe since they attended John F. Kennedy High in Granada Hills together, said the men always take safety precautions and wear life preservers. According to the friend, Coulombe was testing a new product on the new boat with Lane, who was one of the company’s engineers.
A popular local daily getaway, the Castaic facility has two lakes: the upper lake for boating and other water crafts and the lower lake for swimming and non-powered boats. Castaic Lake has served as a State Water Project reservoir since 1972 and provides water to the Santa Clarita Valley.

hcb26
01-12-2002, 11:17 PM
the boating industry wont be the same without the Htm boys, god bless their families and friends

hcb26
01-12-2002, 11:18 PM
the boating industry wont be the same without the Htm boys, god bless their families and friends

hcb26
01-12-2002, 11:19 PM
the boating industry wont be the same without the Htm boys, god bless their families and friends

hcb26
01-12-2002, 11:25 PM
my prayers are with the families, the boating industry has suffererd a great loss. The Htm boys had it togrther!!!

SHARKEYMARINE
01-13-2002, 01:00 AM
God bless all the families involved...this is truly a sad day for the boating world.

James'SS-24
01-13-2002, 07:42 AM
Have they found Steve, Chuck, and Nelson? I haven't posted before now because I didn't know what to say. I have the profound sense of loss and sadness because of this event. I knew Steve, Ken, and Chuck and counted them as friends! Steve was one of the most honest down to earth people I have met, especially in the boating industry.

HavasuHome
01-13-2002, 08:25 AM
My prayers go out to the families of those who lost their lives in this terrible accident.

LeE ss13
01-13-2002, 09:39 AM
LA Times, California Section
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000003356jan13.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifor nia
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LeE ss13

Racing Ray
01-13-2002, 04:14 PM
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Tinkerboater
01-13-2002, 05:37 PM
There won't be any fooling the cops or the insurance co. They will pull the boat up and take one look at it and see that it would be capable of well over 100 mph.

LeE ss13
01-13-2002, 05:37 PM
BINGO !!! After posting on 3 different forums, somebody finally took notice after 8 hours. Congrats "Racing Ray". It is amazing how much misinformation follows a tragedy. Time will tell.
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LeE ss13

Boatjob
01-13-2002, 05:45 PM
What would be the point of claiming that the boat only goes 65mph? Wouldn't that be considered insurance fraud once the insurance company realizes the true speed of the boat?

LeE ss13
01-13-2002, 05:52 PM
Lawyers work in mysterious !!!!
LeE ss13
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Racing Ray
01-13-2002, 06:21 PM
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spectras only
01-13-2002, 06:22 PM
LeEss13 ,I dont think it's a lack of taking notice in this case.Even a claim of 65 MPH won't help much ,since Insurance Underwriters don't endorse speeds over 45 Knots as legit for an insurance claim.I'm sure the majority of ins employees/owners aware of the specs on these boats [my insurer is an avid boater himself].Hot boat itself is an advertizer for maximum speeds on any given boat in their evaluation tests.If I took my car to the tracks for speed runs and have it demaged ,I wouldn't get a nickle from the ins company ,even though I have full coverage.I don't think,taking these messages off of the board would make any difference in the course of actions.

MrHavasuCat
01-13-2002, 06:35 PM
I agree with most of your post, but if you are saying that they won't underwrite a boat over 45 knots that is not true. I could only find 2 companies that would insure my boat at 100 plus capability, but I was able to. It is very expensive though.

LeE ss13
01-13-2002, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by MrHavasuCat:
I agree with most of your post, but if you are saying that they won't underwrite a boat over 45 knots that is not true. I could only find 2 companies that would insure my boat at 100 plus capability, but I was able to. It is very expensive though.
You are correct. I sold insurance for Farmers here in California. It is it very diverce in California. It is usaully 100+ mph.
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Racing Ray
01-13-2002, 06:50 PM
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spectras only
01-13-2002, 07:10 PM
Mr Havasu Cat,I try to rephraise my post.I believe you can buy insurance for a very fast boat ,[Cigarette ,Apache,Formula dealers did ins packages for their customers if my memory serves well ,in the late seventies and eighties,because their customers couldn't get policies from regular marine insurers].All I know ,the first question they ask, how much HP is in the engine , how fast the boat goes, period.You can tell them anything and they say OK.But if anything happens ,they'll find out if you made a false statement and they will void your ins policy [it says in my policy in fine print].Maybe you guys are lucky in the states and the insurance companies are dumb,but this event may change all that ;(

rivercrazy
01-14-2002, 08:37 AM
I was out at the river over the weekend working. I didn't find out about it until late Sunday afternoon. After I found out, I was totally shocked and blown away. It gave me the chills and the news was very very sad. I really feel bad about the driver, passengers and their families. My deepest sympathies to all impacted by this....

jeff-in-ky
01-14-2002, 09:40 AM
I too was out of town and did not hear the horrible news until late Sun. My condolences to the families involved in this huge loss.

Slick
01-14-2002, 10:46 AM
I just got into the office. I'm sick to my stomach as I read all this. This sucks.
Slick

RiverDave2
01-14-2002, 11:01 AM
It could just be a case of a reporter "botching" a story and misquoting.. I was watching the news Saturday night and the newscaster reported "They are still hoping for survivors becuase they are such experienced boaters." It had already been 24hours... http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif They just "parrot" back what people tell them, and most the time they don't get it right..
RD

summerlove
01-14-2002, 11:20 AM
I've been following this since Saturday morning, and have, until now, kept my mouth shut for fear of saying anything that might futher injure the families of these four men.
First, let me say, I am devastaed by this story. It is a real shocker and needless accident. My heart and prayers go out to the families of those lost, and I can only hope that, after time, they will be able to get on with their lives. For the children, "dad's not coming home tonight" brings tears to my eyes.
Second, these boats capable of producing speeds of 125+ are not family rides - they're rockets intended for the liquid speedway. I have a tremendous amount of respect for their ability to go that fast, but I also have a real fear of having one of them lose control while I'm in the vicinity. Something needs to be done to slow these things down. This accident is evident of that. I don't care who you are, what your ride is, or how capable a driver you are, 100+ (I can't believe 149.999 was their goal - it was just "a little bit faster")is not safe for a family boater on a family lake. This was not a family ride, it was all about speed.
I don't know about you, but how fast is too fast? I just wish those guys came home the other night. I think I can safely say this accident will change things - for awhile...
To those guys gone, God Bless you - and your families, friends, and loved ones.
Rick

gigamurph
01-14-2002, 12:44 PM
Well spoken summerlove. I posted a similar post earlier. Enough said at this time. GOD BLESS THE HTM "FAMILY"

RiverToysJas
01-14-2002, 12:55 PM
God Bless those families and I thank God I live in a country where we're free to take risks and push technologies to the edge.
RTJas.

PipesClean
01-14-2002, 01:12 PM
I'm with you on that one RiverToys

H4215
01-14-2002, 02:03 PM
My deepest condolescences to the grieving families and friends of those lost in this tragedy. My families prayers will be with you, and once we finalize an appropriate memorial or observance I'd be more than willing to help in any way possible. Let me know HH, RD, and Super. May the Lord watch over and take care of those left behind by these gentlemen. To those that remain at HTM: Head up; and find the strength to carry on the tradition Steve and all of you worked so hard for!!

RiverDave2
01-14-2002, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by RiverToysJas:
God Bless those families and I thank God I live in a country where we're free to take risks and push technologies to the edge.
RTJas.
Absolutely. There have already been posts where people have said something has to be done to slow these boats down, and I feel that taking that road would definately be the wrong way to go.
RD

rivercrazy
01-14-2002, 02:38 PM
I agree 110%. This is a free country, at least the last time I checked. I'm still pissed about our government banning 3 wheel ATV's and requiring helmets for motorcycles. Speed should not be limited or any other freedom.
Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible about the HTM related events. However, if we passed laws everytime someone did something that involved risk, we all be in our houses 24/7 twiddling our thumbs...

future boater
01-14-2002, 02:46 PM
i dont know what to say. first of all my condolences go out to the families involved. i didnt have the pleasure of knowing any of the men but i dont think they would want us to slow down.i remember a post awhile back from a guy who was building his first boat. a cp hull over the last two years with some monster motor and him saying how hard can it be(to drive). just exercise some common sense, we dont need to slow down. i support the idea of a memorial get together for the families.

MrHavasuCat
01-14-2002, 03:18 PM
Spectras only,
You are right about lying to the insurance companies, if you do they will deny a claim in a heart beat. I did not lie and was still able to get insurance, but like I said it is very expensive.
I agree with RiverDave and the rest of the people that are against bans on speed. That would be the wrong way to go, we are already over legislated as it is. One of the things that attracts me to the sport is the ability to drive at very high speeds and still be legal. You have to be responsible as to conditions and other watercraft before you decide on a high speed run. I don't think steve would have wanted limits placed on speed.

gigamurph
01-14-2002, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by MrHavasuCat:
Spectras only,
You are right about lying to the insurance companies, if you do they will deny a claim in a heart beat. I did not lie and was still able to get insurance, but like I said it is very expensive.
I agree with RiverDave and the rest of the people that are against bans on speed. That would be the wrong way to go, we are already over legislated as it is. One of the things that attracts me to the sport is the ability to drive at very high speeds and still be legal. You have to be responsible as to conditions and other watercraft before you decide on a high speed run. I don't think steve would have wanted limits placed on speed.MrHC,me being one of the "posters" that have stated that something needs to be done to slow these beasts down, I find a part of your post that explains why I feel the way I do. "You have to be responsible as to conditions and other watercraft before you decide on a speed run." I think the operative word it "responsible". Too many people with the money to buy one of these "rockets" unfortunately don't spend any of that money on brains! Maybe my slant on this is influenced by the fact that my little dinghy humps its butt off to top 30. I think everyone knows how I feel. I said it before, and I'll continue to say it; "I long for the days when a 21 footer was big for the River or Havasu. I've had guys fly by me by not more than 20 feet and they're doin' 100 if not faster, AND, if they were to lose it at the right time, they're not only takin' themselves out but virtually everyone within 100 feet are gonna get in on it, whether they like it or not! Don't get me wrong, I AM A SPEEDFREAK! I LOVE THE S**T! But like I said earlier, these things are approaching and surpassing the speeds that "racers" attain. The BIG difference is that the "racers" are on a controlled course with other professionals, who, if memory serves me right, MUST attend a drivers' safety meeting before ever starting their runs, along side of them. Sorry guys, I just don't think there are too many people out there who can safely operate these boats on an "open-to-the-public" lake or river. Just too many variables in the mix. Gone on more than I intended to. Therefore, I'll shut-up and await the "a**-kickin'" I'm gonna take over this!

waterbum
01-14-2002, 08:05 PM
I just got the terrible news and wanted to express my sympathy to the family's of our lost brothers.To take a terrible accident like this and turn it into a crusade to demolish our sport would not only be a travesty,but an insult to our brother's who have passed doing what they loved.My heart aches.
A FREEDOM LOVING ***boatER FOREVER
Sam from Pennsylvania http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif

GottaJet
01-14-2002, 09:27 PM
Ken, I will miss your friendly smile and the fact that you were never to busy to answer my stupid questions... A sad day indeed. My condolances to all those involved and their families. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif

MIKEHTMSR24
01-15-2002, 04:46 AM
I being from the southeast (SC) have been keeping up with all of the news. The news of course is on all of the boating sites. This is a large head count to our sport.
The cost of this accident will be higher probably than anyone could imagine. The responses from everyone is overwhelming. Open hearts all the way. If you can spare a little change or a lot of change let's open our wallets to also help in this tragedy. With the number of members in our boating families we CAN help out the HTM families.
Thanks, Mike
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Cole
01-15-2002, 06:25 AM
I have a friend of mine who just bought a 2002 corvette with "now"405 hp and will do 180 mph.Now the owner is responsible,and has been putting around as if it were a buick.
On the other hand, he handed the keys over to a friend in which he proceded to light up the tires and brag about how he did 120 mph down the street,keys in different hands will produce different outcomes,if you have to do 120 in your boats,just think before you do.we might have to think of it as "speed" runs take a vest,find open water easy at havasu and you have been drinking be aware, and be safe and have a whole lot of fun!!!
Cole

MrHavasuCat
01-15-2002, 11:58 AM
Gigamurph,
I can respect your opinion, but I still don't think speed limits should be placed on our boats. If you look at the many boats at Havasu that are capable of very high speeds, there are relatively few accidents there related to speed. I would think most of the accidents are related to inexperience and alcohol.

summerlove
01-15-2002, 12:01 PM
Hey RD and RTJ:
Don't misinterpert what I said. I was only expressing an opinion that boaters that go that fast ought to use discretion in areas where families and other recreational boaters use the waterways. The basic speed law on the road ought to apply on the water as well: safe speed for the conditions. I don't think that 100 on Castaic on Friday was unnecesairly unsafe, but maybe it is on a summer Saturday afternoon. Same for Havasu, Mead, Powell, etc. The boater ought to use some discretion when he straps on that ignition tether, grabs his thrid (or more) beer of the day, and races at 100+ to the sandbar on some Saturday afternoon in July.
I'm only advocating clear thinking, and unfortunately, at the world's greatest never ending boat show (Havasu), fast boats and beer are coexistent. I would like to see slower speeds when crowded, regulated by us, the boaters, rather than the govt come in and regulate it for us.
While last week was a tragic accident that could possibly have been avoided, the facts will tell what really happended. Speculation (which I have done myself)will only cause misinformation and misfortune.
Thanks
Rick

gigamurph
01-15-2002, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by MrHavasuCat:
Gigamurph,
I can respect your opinion, but I still don't think speed limits should be placed on our boats. If you look at the many boats at Havasu that are capable of very high speeds, there are relatively few accidents there related to speed. I would think most of the accidents are related to inexperience and alcohol.Thanx for the kind reply MrHC. I gotta agree with you; alcohol and inexperience are the major causes of accidents @ any lake or river. But I have, in the last ten years or so (call it gettin' old), acquired a "Stop the alligator before he bites your a**, rather than wait for him to eat a big chunk of you, stitch it up, then kill the SOB!" Even you experienced drivers have to wince @ some of the speeds the "recreational" boaters are capable of runnin' in these "missles on water" and their lack of "apparent" knowledge and "applied" common sense. I just don't advocate a "Wait until it blows up in our faces, then we'll do something!" attitude. I agree regulation is a dreaded and distasteful alternative, but as the old sayin' goes, "There are acceptable losses in most anything we do; unless you, your loved ones, or friends are some of the losses, then they're no longer acceptable!" http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif

rivercrazy
01-15-2002, 01:18 PM
Gig. I hear what your saying and you have a valid and well thought out point.
However, I disagree with you. More regulation is an exponential and self perpetuating animal. We are regulated and legally bound enough already.

RiverDave2
01-15-2002, 01:41 PM
I would say that most boating accidents are related to inexperience (which by the way isn't the case in the HTM accident) and "excessive alcohol." I know it's not a very popular thing on the board, but I drink dam near everytime I drive a boat and I feel that I'm more then competent with or without a couple beers. It's when people get downright hammered or when they get that infamous liquid courage when bad things happen. None of these were the case in this incident.. To be honest I don't think we should be talking about it in this thread.
RD

gigamurph
01-15-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by rivercrazy:
Gig. I hear what your saying and you have a valid and well thought out point.
However, I disagree with you. More regulation is an exponential and self perpetuating animal. We are regulated and legally bound enough already.rc, want to hear something funny? I DISAGREE WITH MYSELF ON THIS! But what can be done? You can pass laws that force a standard on the masses, but you can't pass laws that magically makes everyone use their heads. I agree, REGULATION SUX! The point I'm tryin' to get at, and not doin' a very good job of it, is #1 we either slow these things down to a level where they can be capably driven OR #2 we set a standard that one must show adequate experience OR training to operate @ the high speeds these boats can reach. Many of you on this board fulfill one or both of these prerequisites; but many out there don't! Too many! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gifJust a question for superdave013; do they still require "licensing" runs prior to issuing a "license" to race a boat at the drags? Remember going to SkiLand out here @ Perris, and they always had a few "newbies" making "slow passes" to demonstrate their proficiency at operating their equipment. Just wondering. Haven't been to the drags in ages!

spectras only
01-15-2002, 01:50 PM
When superbikes will be banned,I'll start worrying about boat regulations.Motorcycle mfg's started the trend to go faster and faster a long time ago and bikes with over 100 HP still available to novice bikers!

summerlove
01-15-2002, 02:34 PM
RD is right. (amazing! HAHA) Anyway, I too do not think that inexperience had anything to do with last weeks events. Which makes it even more so serious. What about the inexperienced guy with a couple of beers in him driving his family and friends around at 100 and loses control or makes a bad decision. Scary! I just think that before the govt regulates us, we (the recreational boaters)ought to do some speed control on our own before more people are injured or killed. We need to establish limitations and assess the situation before we go out. I also agree with RD that this topic is not appropriate on this thread.
I'm out...
Rick

pgf127rt
01-15-2002, 04:33 PM
gigamurph, I can answer your question regarding dragboat licensing, every time you move up in class say from bracket to progas you must make 2 licensing passes before the competition commitee, one pass is a half track blast, if you pass the half track then it is a banzai, balls to the walls pass to show you are capable of controlling the type boat at the speed for the class, and I have seen several not pass the test, it isn't easy, especially in SDBA and IHBA, no gimmes, hope this answered your ?

mach1 454
01-15-2002, 07:25 PM
i was at castaic sunday and boy was it sad. all you could see was the lifegaurds searching and the helicopter flying around. im 17years old and will never forget this sad tragedy especially when i go to castaic and pass the part were the boat sunk. but at least they died doing what they
LOVED doing HOT BOATING.RIP bros