why do they hate us??

[Blown 472]

Hey smokin, I have included his e mail addy so you can take him to task too.
Will Americans Join Iraqis, Lebanese and Palestinians as Neocon Victims?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
What explains the indifference of the Bush administration to the slaughter of civilians in Iraq, Lebanon, and Gaza?
As of the morning of July 19, Israeli bombardments of Lebanese civilian residential districts and public infrastructure have murdered 300 Lebanese, wounded 1,000, and displaced 500,000. The Lebanese prime minister said that Israel’s attack has caused “unimaginable losses” and that his government will seek compensation from Israel.
In Gaza Israel has murdered scores of Palestinian civilians in the past few days.
In Iraq the civilian daily death toll has risen above 100.
These dead are not Hezbollah militia. They are not Hamas militia. They are not al Qaeda or Sunni insurgents. They are civilians.
Frustrated by Hezbollah, Israel is lashing out at hapless civilians, knowing that the US will protect Israel from UN Security Council condemnation.
Frustrated by Sunni insurgents, the US has instigated sectarian strife.
Bush has stonewalled the UN, our European allies, and the Lebanese prime minister, all of whom are calling and pleading for Bush to pressure the Israelis to stop their cowardly slaughter from the air of Lebanese civilians.
The Guardian (July 19) reports that Bush gave Israel the green light to attack Lebanon and has given Olmert another week to pound Lebanon.
US Secretary of State Condi Rice has announced that she will go to the Middle East to resolve “the crisis” when it is appropriate. Apparently, the appropriate time is not when people are dying and a country, which had only just recovered from the last Israeli invasion, is again being bombed into rubble.
How many more war crimes must Israel commit before Bush and Condi Rice put aside their indifference?
On July 19 the Israelis turned their air attack on the Christian area of Beirut. The Lebanese Christians can thank the American evangelical Rev. John. Hagee, who has thrown his 18,000 member Texas church behind Israeli aggression.
Bush cannot claim public support for his indifference.
As of noon July 19, 800,000 people had participated in CNNÂ’s Quick Vote, with the result that 55% oppose IsraelÂ’s attack on Lebanon. This result is despite the fact that US television reporting explains the news from the Israeli perspective.
Similarly, in Israel a survey published by Israeli daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth showed 53 per cent of Israelis polled said Israel should hold negotiations to secure the release of the Israeli soldier captured in Gaza, while 43 per cent backed a military operation.
A poll taken by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that 28 per cent of Israelis believe Israel should immediately stop bombing Lebanon, compared to 7 per cent who believe that the bombing should continue until the captured soldiers are freed, and 14 per cent who believe bombing should continue until Lebanon agrees to disarm Hezbollah--a task that IsraelÂ’s invasion has made more impossible than ever.
If these polls are reliable, one can conclude that the US and Israeli populations are more moral, and more concerned with human life, than are the leaders of the two countries.
Neither can Bush claim that he is supporting Israel because he is IsraelÂ’s friend. If Bush were IsraelÂ’s friend, he would not have given a green light to IsraelÂ’s aggression, which will create more hatred of Israel.
As a number of Israeli writers have pointed out, Israel has shown tooth and claw to its Arab neighbors for decades to no avail.
Writing in Haaretz (July 19) Yitzhak Laor notes that Israel’s problems are not the result of insufficient bombing and destruction of Arab populations. Yet, once again Israeli militants are “enlarging the circle of hostilities, including harming civilians. What Israel’s ‘strategists’ have to offer is the destruction of yet another country.”
Laor says the Americans can do this in Iraq with less consequence for themselves, because “the Americans do not intend to live in this region.” Israelis cannot afford to show only tooth and claw to its neighbors, because “we do live here.”
It sometimes seems Bush goes beyond indifference to contentment with the slaughter of Muslim civilians. Bush has even come across as gleeful as if he is on a dove hunt in a baited Texas field where joy resides in the killing of countless birds.
Many Muslims believe that Bush and Israel see them as animals to be slain. On July 17, neocon John Bolton, Bush’s unconfirmed ambassador to the UN, gave credence to this Muslim belief when he announced that Israelis killed by terrorists were more important than the Lebanese civilians killed by Israel. Bolton said that there is no “moral equivalence” between Lebanese civilians killed by Israel and Israeli civilians killed by Muslim terrorists: “It’s simply not the same thing to say that it’s the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense.”
In BoltonÂ’s sick mind, Lebanese civilians are not experiencing terrorism when Israel deliberately targets them and drops high explosives on their apartment buildings, streets, bridges, power plants, and bombs the Beirut International Airport. This, says Bolton, is Israel acting in self-defense.
If Israel grabs Palestinian or Lebanese land and murders civilians, that is “self-defense,” but if someone responds to Israeli aggression with a rocket, that is “Muslim terrorism.”
The world is sick of this double-standard. Unfortunately, not enough Americans and Israelis are.
Consequently, conflict will continue and escalate. Laor writes that “the director of the American Jewish Committee’s Israel/Middle East Office, Eran Lerman, is already recommending going to war against Syria.”
And so are the American neoconservatives who control the Bush administration, Washington think tanks, and media positions once held by true American conservatives.
Isolated in their evil, the neoconservatives are frantically and shrilly demanding that Bush join Israel in military attacks on Syria and Iran in order to “build democracy” and to clear the Middle East of any opposition to Israel’s unbridled self-interest. The crazed David Horowitz writes that “Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world.”
Neoconservatives believe that the US and Israel can extirpate Islam with fire and sword and that the present opportunity to escalate the current conflict into generalized war in the Middle East must not be missed.
Neocon warmongers have stolen the conservative name, the Republican Party, and a portion of the evangelical movement.
Are Americans too inattentive and too brainwashed to prevent their moronic president and his neocon government from initiating a dangerous war?
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com

[Old Texan]

Hezbollah.
What part have they played in getting things started? All your 'nitwit Roberts' mentions is the deaths are not Hezbollah militia, but citizens. Could these be sympathetic citizens? Perhaps Hezbollah puts civilians in danger for political sympathy? Perhaps Hezbollah really doesn't give a rat'sass about the citizens and uses them as a tool to advance their reign of hatred.
How can these "Roberts types" never take into account the role Hezbollah, Hamas, and alQuaeda play. The whole Palestinian movement is based on hatred.
Incredible.

[Blown 472]

Hezbollah.
What part have they played in getting things started? All your 'nitwit Roberts' mentions is the deaths are not Hezbollah militia, but citizens. Could these be sympathetic citizens? Perhaps Hezbollah puts civilians in danger for political sympathy? Perhaps Hezbollah really doesn't give a rat'sass about the citizens and uses them as a tool to advance their reign of hatred.
How can these "Roberts types" never take into account the role Hezbollah, Hamas, and alQuaeda play. The whole Palestinian movement is based on hatred.
Incredible.
Hatred of what??

[Old Texan]

Jews, Americans, Christians, You, Brits, pretty much all of Western Civilization, German Shepherds, Pasties, Hindus, Yogi the Bear, Clint Eastwood, Barbra Steisand, Pee Wee Herman, The 3 Stooges, Seinfeld, Leno, Albert Pujols, George Clooney, Paul Craig Roberts, Mr Rogers and his neighborhood, Left Handed relief pitchers, Jesse Jackson, etc.
Blown they hate themselves for gawds sakes. How else can they be in the environment they are raised in? Taught from the time they can walk to kill the enemy. The enemy is anyone that doesn't think like them or act like them or believe in their bullshit cause. It ain't about oil or power for the general man on thestreet over there it's about blind faith in a crankpot interpreted way of life. They have been hating for centuries and know nothing else.
HATE, it's a nasty way of life. If there were no Jews or Americans there would be someone else to hate and dedicate every breathing moment to wanting to kill. Shit's been going on forever and until the religious leaders turn the tide it will continue.
It seems pretty clear that if left unabated these radical hate mongers would eat the world like a cancer until all was destroyed. They don't know peace nor are they taught to want peace. It's that simple.

[Blown 472]

Jews, Americans, Christians, You, Brits, pretty much all of Western Civilization, German Shepherds, Pasties, Hindus, Yogi the Bear, Clint Eastwood, Barbra Steisand, Pee Wee Herman, The 3 Stooges, Seinfeld, Leno, Albert Pujols, George Clooney, Paul Craig Roberts, Mr Rogers and his neighborhood, Left Handed relief pitchers, Jesse Jackson, etc.
Blown they hate themselves for gawds sakes. How else can they be in the environment they are raised in? Taught from the time they can walk to kill the enemy. The enemy is anyone that doesn't think like them or act like them or believe in their bullshit cause. It ain't about oil or power for the general man on thestreet over there it's about blind faith in a crankpot interpreted way of life. They have been hating for centuries and know nothing else.
HATE, it's a nasty way of life. If there were no Jews or Americans there would be someone else to hate and dedicate every breathing moment to wanting to kill. Shit's been going on forever and until the religious leaders turn the tide it will continue.
It seems pretty clear that if left unabated these radical hate mongers would eat the world like a cancer until all was destroyed. They don't know peace nor are they taught to want peace. It's that simple.
Strange, I have quite a few friends that are muslim and they dont hate me, nor do they foam at the mouth hate, they are very nice folks. Must be them house sandniggers huh?

[QuickJet]

Strange, I have quite a few friends that are muslim and they dont hate me, nor do they foam at the mouth hate, they are very nice folks. Must be them house sandniggers huh?
That's the stupidest thing you've ever said...and you have said some pretty dumb things.
They hate America and Israel more then they love their children or themselves.
And in case you didn't know, your friends are sandniggers too.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

blown, I have had such poor results repeatedly explaining reality to 2 idiots on here, I have no desire to add a 3rd one to my list of fools I call onto the carpet.

[Old Texan]

Strange, I have quite a few friends that are muslim and they dont hate me, nor do they foam at the mouth hate, they are very nice folks. Must be them house sandniggers huh?
Offpoint again. I'm talking about Hezbollah, Hamas, al Quaeda, and the militant islamic shame groups.
Of course the majority of the muslim world are good people, and they are po'd right along with the rest of us about their world and beliefs being distorted and destroyed by the radical growth within.
QuickJ nailed your reply pretty good. Too elaborate, if you have so many muslim friends, how do they react to your inappropriate racial slur.
The cowards hide behind the innocent to deal their warfare. They are cowards that hide behind women and children and then cry out the Israelis and Americans are killing civilians. Propaganda.
You spout off Liberal drivel and fail to see that you are judged along with P C Roberts as Islamic Radical Sympathizers. You justify their actions and deeds with half baked retorts and lame theories.
Why is Lebanon being bombed and taken apart? Because that's where the bad guys are holed up, hiding amongst the innocent. Go ask one of your muslim buddies. Than again it's a good bet he's a converted muslim doing the liberal freethinker "in vogue" thing as another "phase" in his search for utopia and escape from reality. Find a real middle eastern immigrant of muslim faith and I guarantee you'll find no synpathy in him for the scum that have turned his homeland into a waste area and are trying to drag them back to the stone age. I heard Syrian immigrant today agreeing and justifying Israel's actions. His wishes were for the removal of the radical scum you continue to defend and endorse.
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.

[Kurtis500]

This is how we did it before. NO HIDING FROM THIS!!
Hezbolah needs a beating just like grandpa used to give.... weren't those guys jew haters too? just like ...???
http://www.reese-457th.org/smoke.jpg

[Steve 1]

Strange, I have quite a few friends that are muslim and they dont hate me, nor do they foam at the mouth hate, they are very nice folks. Must be them house sandniggers huh?
Ha Ha Ha Bullshit!! If they are praticing Muslims they are an mortal Enemy!!
The Koran (Pickthall translation) says that disbelievers (non-Muslims) are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:22, 8:55); (some Christians and/or Jews were) turned into “apes and/or pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166); are like frightened donkeys chased by a lion (74:50-51); are worse than cattle (7:179); are like dogs (7:176); they (idolators) are unclean (9:28); “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); evil-livers (5:59); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); are the “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); have disgraced lives (22:9); are hypocrites (4:61); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); are deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); they have no sense (5:103, 10:100); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); Allah sends devils against them to make them do evil (19:83); Allah cursed them for their unbelief (2:88-89), liars/they lie (2:10, 4:50, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11), “losers” (5:53, 7:178-179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), in false pride and schism (38:2), among the lowest (58:20); the lowest of the low (95:4-6).

[Steve 1]

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. All but some of the most fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior. One of the big differences is that a Christian only needs to accept Jesus as his savior once to become saved forever but a Muslim must do his good works consistently and repeatedly to earn his salvation with the except of the greatest work of dying while fighting non-Muslims.

[Playbuoy]

Since Hezbollah people are Lebanese, that number is deceiving.

[TopCat]

Strange, I have quite a few friends that are muslim and they dont hate me, nor do they foam at the mouth hate, they are very nice folks. Must be them house sandniggers huh?Are you all there, you sure have a right to your opinion, but get a real clue.the have-nots have always blamed the haves, the ignorant have always feared the enlighted, one religion has always waged war on the other, be it with violents or words, I mean you're the perfect example of this stupidity blame, blame , blame Hell you probably blame your parents for the way you are or maybe its the President, thats it, its Bushs fault. Its Bushs fault Suddam was killing 100-150k of his people(and thats a few more than 100 per day),its the Jews fault that these radical groups keep this crap over there going, the latest kidnapping Israelis.Have you ever asked a Vietnamese imagrant if Viet Nam is a better place since we left, Hell no, you just want to "Blame" you're so screwed up, you'd Blame Bush for that too. Hell you're probably one of those idiots that say war is about oil, last time I checked Iraq is a member of OPEC & OPEC sets the price and amount exported not America. I mean for the first time in your life pull your head out and look around. If Bush with his low approval rating could do any thing about all this don't you think he would, just to make himself look better. If liberal America supports their children like they support and question their gov't, what shape do you think our schools etc would be in? OH wait things are that screwed up. I'll bet you don't even vote or read a history book, its all there. You are truly pittiful and Yes! you do have that right but only in the free world. You don't know how really lucky you are Blame america for that too.

[Blown 472]

Offpoint again. I'm talking about Hezbollah, Hamas, al Quaeda, and the militant islamic shame groups.
Of course the majority of the muslim world are good people, and they are po'd right along with the rest of us about their world and beliefs being distorted and destroyed by the radical growth within.
QuickJ nailed your reply pretty good. Too elaborate, if you have so many muslim friends, how do they react to your inappropriate racial slur.
The cowards hide behind the innocent to deal their warfare. They are cowards that hide behind women and children and then cry out the Israelis and Americans are killing civilians. Propaganda.
You spout off Liberal drivel and fail to see that you are judged along with P C Roberts as Islamic Radical Sympathizers. You justify their actions and deeds with half baked retorts and lame theories.
Why is Lebanon being bombed and taken apart? Because that's where the bad guys are holed up, hiding amongst the innocent. Go ask one of your muslim buddies. Than again it's a good bet he's a converted muslim doing the liberal freethinker "in vogue" thing as another "phase" in his search for utopia and escape from reality. Find a real middle eastern immigrant of muslim faith and I guarantee you'll find no synpathy in him for the scum that have turned his homeland into a waste area and are trying to drag them back to the stone age. I heard Syrian immigrant today agreeing and justifying Israel's actions. His wishes were for the removal of the radical scum you continue to defend and endorse.
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.
Why does israel hide weapons depots behind arab villages, have you ever read the talmud? perhaps you should read up on it.

[Blown 472]

Are you all there, you sure have a right to your opinion, but get a real clue.the have-nots have always blamed the haves, the ignorant have always feared the enlighted, one religion has always waged war on the other, be it with violents or words, I mean you're the perfect example of this stupidity blame, blame , blame Hell you probably blame your parents for the way you are or maybe its the President, thats it, its Bushs fault. Its Bushs fault Suddam was killing 100-150k of his people(and thats a few more than 100 per day),its the Jews fault that these radical groups keep this crap over there going, the latest kidnapping Israelis.Have you ever asked a Vietnamese imagrant if Viet Nam is a better place since we left, Hell no, you just want to "Blame" you're so screwed up, you'd Blame Bush for that too. Hell you're probably one of those idiots that say war is about oil, last time I checked Iraq is a member of OPEC & OPEC sets the price and amount exported not America. I mean for the first time in your life pull your head out and look around. If Bush with his low approval rating could do any thing about all this don't you think he would, just to make himself look better. If liberal America supports their children like they support and question their gov't, what shape do you think our schools etc would be in? OH wait things are that screwed up. I'll bet you don't even vote or read a history book, its all there. You are truly pittiful and Yes! you do have that right but only in the free world. You don't know how really lucky you are Blame america for that too.
One giant runone sentence of crap, pull your head out and stop sucking gdubya ass.

[Blown 472]

That's the stupidest thing you've ever said...and you have said some pretty dumb things.
They hate America and Israel more then they love their children or themselves.
And in case you didn't know, your friends are sandniggers too.
Isn't american idol on dipshit?

[Blown 472]

blown, I have had such poor results repeatedly explaining reality to 2 idiots on here, I have no desire to add a 3rd one to my list of fools I call onto the carpet.
HO, the great know it all has spoken, have you taken the people that I posted to task yet you twat?

[TopCat]

If your last three posts are the best you can do, take your ball and go home and look in the the mirror at a real worthless human being. Don't worry you'll recognize'em he'll have your face. Gee couldn't you find some worthless paper to quote to tell you how to think?

[TopCat]

One giant runone sentence of crap, pull your head out and stop sucking gdubya ass.Just to help you out the little dots are called periods and they end a sentence. See it appears to the casual of observers again that your stupidity is endless!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Offpoint again. if you have so many muslim friends, how do they react to your inappropriate racial slur..
Oh you can bet blown hasn't got the ballsack to tell his "friends" this crap, except the anti-Israel/evil-joo side of it. That's called sucking up.
The cowards hide behind the innocent to deal their warfare. They are cowards that hide behind women and children and then cry out the Israelis and Americans are killing civilians. Propaganda.
You spout off Liberal drivel and fail to see that you are judged along with P C Roberts as Islamic Radical Sympathizers. You justify their actions and deeds with half baked retorts and lame theories..
But he's "not" a "liberal", Doesn't even know what one is. :rolleyes:
Why is Lebanon being bombed and taken apart? Because that's where the bad guys are holed up, hiding amongst the innocent. Go ask one of your muslim buddies. Than again it's a good bet he's a converted muslim doing the liberal freethinker "in vogue" thing as another "phase" in his search for utopia and escape from reality. Find a real middle eastern immigrant of muslim faith and I guarantee you'll find no synpathy in him for the scum that have turned his homeland into a waste area and are trying to drag them back to the stone age. I heard Syrian immigrant today agreeing and justifying Israel's actions. His wishes were for the removal of the radical scum you continue to defend and endorse.
This is the view of the muslim friends I happen to have, most of whom are immigrants from muslim countries, either arabic or african. THEY don't blame the evil "joos", guess that leaves you & Hesbollah all alone.
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.
Now THIS i wanna see, ought to be really good, which means it won't happen.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Why does israel hide weapons depots behind arab villages, have you ever read the talmud? perhaps you should read up on it.
Like you've read it? Riiiiiiiiight

[SmokinLowriderSS]

HO, the great know it all has spoken, have you taken the people that I posted to task yet you twat?
I'm still waitin g blown:
"Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children"

[Old Texan]

HO, the great know it all has spoken, have you taken the people that I posted to task yet you twat?
Take Paul Craig Roberts to "Task"? :rolleyes:
Blown your "Liberal Think Tank Bloggers" don't listen which is essential in taking them to "Task". They just reply with more fairyland rhetoric about the great utopia they envision after their "islamic mates" bring down the system. Most of those you quote are still are under the influence of the 60's-70's psychodelic anti establishment movement either as actual partcipants or their LSD effected offspring.
Now get along and make sure Cindy Sheehan has her Birkenstocks on the right feet......

[Blown 472]

Like you've read it? Riiiiiiiiight
I have read enough of it. Have you?

[TopCat]

I have read enough of it. Have you? I've read it, and I still read it, but now its right before I wipe!

[Blown 472]

I've read it, and I still read it, but now its right before I wipe!
Could you tell us the parts about the gentiels??

[EmpirE231]

I think what hezbollah did to provoke all the actions going on right now is wrong!! even though they might have some justifications along those actions since their own people have been being killed and kidnapped for a while now!! .... but for anyone to support the way isreal has lashed out on lebanon is a dumb ass! no matter which way you put it! lebanons infastructure has been demolished.... $$$$$$$$$$ of damages to a country that is still rebuilding from its civil war. lebanon should be a country that is looked over and protected since it is the only country in the arab reigon with population of over 50% christians ..... I guess I have a biased opinion though since I am lebanese.... and I am catholic .... and bombs are falling everyday next to my "INNOCENT" family / relatives/ friends over there.... and the fact that my mom and sister in law had to flee lebanon to syria 5 days ago so they can make it back home to us (they were there visiting family and my sick grandmother)! some of you people are heartless .... guess your opinion wont change until your family is placed in danger! a lil background on me.. I am conservative ... and voted for GW ... and think he is a good prez ... but for this animal style attack that isreal is pounding into lebanon... and for no end put to that yet? when the only reason isreal is so powerful and acts without consequence is because of being backed by the U.S. .... I think it's bullshit. I agree 100% that groups like hezbollah should be disarmed... but how do they expect lebanon to do that when they have no strong military power to do so and fear going into another civil war? .... turn on your satilite news stations... try checking the arab stations.... and see the bodies of 4yr old kids being picked through the rubble... and then think? is isreal over-reacting?

[uclahater]

I think what hezbollah did to provoke all the actions going on right now is wrong!! even though they might have some justifications along those actions since their own people have been being killed and kidnapped for a while now!! .... but for anyone to support the way isreal has lashed out on lebanon is a dumb ass! no matter which way you put it! lebanons infastructure has been demolished.... $$$$$$$$$$ of damages to a country that is still rebuilding from its civil war. lebanon should be a country that is looked over and protected since it is the only country in the arab reigon with population of over 50% christians ..... I guess I have a biased opinion though since I am lebanese.... and I am catholic .... and bombs are falling everyday next to my "INNOCENT" family / relatives/ friends over there.... and the fact that my mom and sister in law had to flee lebanon to syria 5 days ago so they can make it back home to us (they were there visiting family and my sick grandmother)! some of you people are heartless .... guess your opinion wont change until your family is placed in danger! a lil background on me.. I am conservative ... and voted for GW ... and think he is a good prez ... but for this animal style attack that isreal is pounding into lebanon... and for no end put to that yet? when the only reason isreal is so powerful and acts without consequence is because of being backed by the U.S. .... I think it's bullshit. I agree 100% that groups like hezbollah should be disarmed... but how do they expect lebanon to do that when they have no strong military power to do so and fear going into another civil war? .... turn on your satilite news stations... try checking the arab stations.... and see the bodies of 4yr old kids being picked through the rubble... and then think? is isreal over-reacting?
Sorry to here about your family, and I hope they remain safe.
I love the way Israel respond when someone F***s with them. You start a fight with them, and they kick ASS. The hezbollah group needs to be taken down, and thats whats happening.

[Blown 472]

I think what hezbollah did to provoke all the actions going on right now is wrong!! even though they might have some justifications along those actions since their own people have been being killed and kidnapped for a while now!! .... but for anyone to support the way isreal has lashed out on lebanon is a dumb ass! no matter which way you put it! lebanons infastructure has been demolished.... $$$$$$$$$$ of damages to a country that is still rebuilding from its civil war. lebanon should be a country that is looked over and protected since it is the only country in the arab reigon with population of over 50% christians ..... I guess I have a biased opinion though since I am lebanese.... and I am catholic .... and bombs are falling everyday next to my "INNOCENT" family / relatives/ friends over there.... and the fact that my mom and sister in law had to flee lebanon to syria 5 days ago so they can make it back home to us (they were there visiting family and my sick grandmother)! some of you people are heartless .... guess your opinion wont change until your family is placed in danger! a lil background on me.. I am conservative ... and voted for GW ... and think he is a good prez ... but for this animal style attack that isreal is pounding into lebanon... and for no end put to that yet? when the only reason isreal is so powerful and acts without consequence is because of being backed by the U.S. .... I think it's bullshit. I agree 100% that groups like hezbollah should be disarmed... but how do they expect lebanon to do that when they have no strong military power to do so and fear going into another civil war? .... turn on your satilite news stations... try checking the arab stations.... and see the bodies of 4yr old kids being picked through the rubble... and then think? is isreal over-reacting?
Sorry to hear about your family I hope they come thru this ok, but you are barking up the wrong tree here, nothing but white supremacist's and a rab haters here.

[Old Texan]

I think what hezbollah did to provoke all the actions going on right now is wrong!! even though they might have some justifications along those actions since their own people have been being killed and kidnapped for a while now!! .... but for anyone to support the way isreal has lashed out on lebanon is a dumb ass! no matter which way you put it! lebanons infastructure has been demolished.... $$$$$$$$$$ of damages to a country that is still rebuilding from its civil war. lebanon should be a country that is looked over and protected since it is the only country in the arab reigon with population of over 50% christians ..... I guess I have a biased opinion though since I am lebanese.... and I am catholic .... and bombs are falling everyday next to my "INNOCENT" family / relatives/ friends over there.... and the fact that my mom and sister in law had to flee lebanon to syria 5 days ago so they can make it back home to us (they were there visiting family and my sick grandmother)! some of you people are heartless .... guess your opinion wont change until your family is placed in danger! a lil background on me.. I am conservative ... and voted for GW ... and think he is a good prez ... but for this animal style attack that isreal is pounding into lebanon... and for no end put to that yet? when the only reason isreal is so powerful and acts without consequence is because of being backed by the U.S. .... I think it's bullshit. I agree 100% that groups like hezbollah should be disarmed... but how do they expect lebanon to do that when they have no strong military power to do so and fear going into another civil war? .... turn on your satilite news stations... try checking the arab stations.... and see the bodies of 4yr old kids being picked through the rubble... and then think? is isreal over-reacting?
I sympathize with you and your family. I have a good friend who was born in Lebanon and pretty much brought his whole extended family here in the late 70' and 80's. He lost some kinfolk during the civil war and was quite adamant then that something needed to be done to rid Leb. of the rebels and the fear they created.
I don't think anyone here is trying to justify Israeli actions but more from the point, Hezbollah needs to be wiped out and purged from Lebanon. It's a true shame that a modern country has been devastated and basically destroyed from all standpoints by the radical islamic plague.
My point anyway has been why do these cowards take refuge among the innocent? Of course when the bombing starts Hezbollah no doubt heads to the high ground leaving the innocents to face the devastation.
Earlier I talked about "hate" and Blown could not or actually would not admit this to be a problem. In my opinion the actions of the radicals continues to prove their hate for all humanity by insanely perpetuating this war/conflict with Israel. They poke the tiger until he lashes out and often it's the innocent bystander rather then the intended target that gets hurt. You mention the US or other outside country should provide aid and means to rid Leb of Hezbollah. If we stepped in we would be received in the manner we are criticized for in Iraq. Liberal and radical Islamic world fury over the US butting into others business. Unfortunately there is no answer in sight and it is probably going to get far worse before it gets better. Even if Israel is stopped this time or even destroyed, the real problem will continue and resurface as long as the radical islamic movement is still breathing.

[TopCat]

Could you tell us the parts about the gentiels??Yes I will as soon as you spit them out. You need to stick to other peoples quotes you're just not that sharp..Blown :)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I have read enough of it. Have you?
Which in reality translates to "I haven't read any of it, but know plenty about it.
That still leaves me with the ability to claim reading more if I only read the front cover.
I am still waiting to hear this one:
Originally Posted by Old Texan
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.

[Old Texan]

Sorry to hear about your family I hope they come thru this ok, but you are barking up the wrong tree here, nothing but white supremacist's and a rab haters here.
Oh my ye Olde Pot Stirrer, let's get your take on the "White Supremacist" deal.
You are really off your game my fine tie dyed friend. The last couple days you have done battle with half hearted diatribes and very poor attempts at your usual name calling bravado. Now you've dug down amonst the crumbs in your bag to come up with "White Supremacist", poorly punctuated I might add.
TopCat has come around to challenge your usual rants and that's the best you can do? Even Canuck is warried by his several attempts to prod you back on point. I've been a bit worried since you let PX slip in on the lead against the establishment the last little while.
Please check your temp and other vital signs, we're concerned about your usual rascally disposition eluding you.
Sidebar:
Smokin', ya think maybe he got into some of Ma Sheehan's toe jam deposits when he was spit shinin' those Birkenstocks? And they upset his lil' tummy.

[TopCat]

Don't even get me started on Cindy Sheehan. This -unt has shown so much disrespect for her hero son I can't stand it. Last time I checked we have a volunteer military, that means he enlisted by his own choice. Now this BITCH comes along and figuritively says my son was so stupid he didn't know what he was doing when he VOLUNTEERED and its our Presidents fault, She must be related to Blown472. I think this is so sad and I thought Blown didn't get it. In case some missed my point this man died trying to free a repressed county. He could have refused to go and went to jail for what he believed, I could respect that but he DIDN"T, HE WENT, His mother should be honoring him, I do!........Suddam was killing 100-150k of his own people a year, innocent people. WE hav lost under 3k and the Iraqs under 60k in 2+ years simple math says died saving 300k+...He's a hero in my book & she's a fool.

[Blown 472]

Which in reality translates to "I haven't read any of it, but know plenty about it.
That still leaves me with the ability to claim reading more if I only read the front cover.
I am still waiting to hear this one:
Originally Posted by Old Texan
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.
Same reason israel builds ammo dumps around a rab neighborhoods. You email those folks yet there mr know it all??

[Blown 472]

Oh my ye Olde Pot Stirrer, let's get your take on the "White Supremacist" deal.
You are really off your game my fine tie dyed friend. The last couple days you have done battle with half hearted diatribes and very poor attempts at your usual name calling bravado. Now you've dug down amonst the crumbs in your bag to come up with "White Supremacist", poorly punctuated I might add.
TopCat has come around to challenge your usual rants and that's the best you can do? Even Canuck is warried by his several attempts to prod you back on point. I've been a bit worried since you let PX slip in on the lead against the establishment the last little while.
Please check your temp and other vital signs, we're concerned about your usual rascally disposition eluding you.
Sidebar:
Smokin', ya think maybe he got into some of Ma Sheehan's toe jam deposits when he was spit shinin' those Birkenstocks? And they upset his lil' tummy.
IN a word "stevo"

[jbone]

Where are the Hezbollah bases? What do their uniforms look like? What rules of engagement do they follow, when they shoot their rockets at Israel, what/who are they aiming at? Civilians?
My point is a dead Hezbollah fighter looks like a civilian when they remove his rocket launcher before taking the picture.
They have the support of the civilians, and the civilians allow Hezbollah to fight from their homes and store weapons until needed.
I heard something the other day that made a lot of sense.
If Hezbollah and all the other radical Islam freeks disarmed and vowed not to attack Israel, there would be peace. If Israel disarmed and vowed not to attack the radical Islam freaks, they would be slaughtered.
Radical Islam cannot live in peace with ANY other religion. They want to kill us all. They Just hate Jews more than us for now.
J

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Sidebar:
Smokin', ya think maybe he got into some of Ma Sheehan's toe jam deposits when he was spit shinin' those Birkenstocks? And they upset his lil' tummy.
I think it's possible, I know it'd give ME a ripping case of indigestion. blown probably used it as seasoning on a salad tho, next to the stale crutons (just what IS a "fresh" cruton anyhow if a cruton is, by definition, a dried (stale) chip of bread??????) :idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Same reason israel builds ammo dumps around a rab neighborhoods.
I fail to see the connection blown, better 'splain better.
Originally Posted by Old Texan
Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

They Just hate Jews more than us for now.
J
Fortunately, they have jew-hate help here. Gotta make them proud. :rolleyes:

[Blown 472]

Fortunately, they have jew-hate help here. Gotta make them proud. :rolleyes:
Holy shit are you dumb, how many times do I have to say it??? zionist hater, not a jew hater pull your ****ing head out of your ass already.

[Blown 472]

I know smokin, none of this can be true cuz you didn't see it on fox news, like that 14 yr old that got raped and killed.
Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.
Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?
Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.
Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.
Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?
On July 20, "your" House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel's massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, "your" House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also "condemns enemies of the Jewish state."
Who are the "enemies of the Jewish state"?
They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist "settlers" under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli "settlers."
The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called "terrorists." When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to Israel. This means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-Semitic, un-American and terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the results Bush and Israel want.
Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel's way are terrorists.
Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a militia of Shi'ite Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel's atrocities was Hezbollah, which fought the Israeli Army, defeated it, and drove it out of Lebanon. Today Hezbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.
To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.
Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn't know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be "cakewalks" like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.
If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing nothing good for Israel or for America.
On July 20 when "your" House of Representatives, following "your" US Senate, passed the resolution in support of Israel's war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out a press release proclaiming "The American people overwhelming support Israel's war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our closest ally in this time of crisis."
The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do not support Israel's war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span.
Despite the Israeli spin on news provided by US "reporting," a majority of Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is targeting Hezbollah, why are Israeli bombs falling on northern Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?
Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House confirm Osama bin Laden's propaganda that America stands with Israel against the Arab and Muslim world.
Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world's largest per capita incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that much of this "aid" comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect "our" representatives in Congress.
This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining, as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel's actions and inhumane policies.
The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.
This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America still had some prestige in the Arab world.
The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel's puppet, just as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.
With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a rag tag, lightly armed insurgency drawn from a minority of the population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in civil war against the Shi'ite majority.
What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will either destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible for Muslims, or the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to intimidate Muslims into acquiescence to Israel's desires.
Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the Cold War) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.
Rumsfeld's neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states.
Neocon David Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, "Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world," thus equating war criminals with civilized men.
Neocon Larry Kudlow says that "Israel is doing the Lord's work" by murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel's Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, "go forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands"?
The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Holy shit are you dumb, how many times do I have to say it??? zionist hater, not a jew hater pull your ****ing head out of your ass already.
You better start deleting your history on the board then buddy-boy. LOL

[Steve 1]

You better start deleting your history on the board then buddy-boy. LOL
SS LMAO This Jew Hating clown keeps pulling the foot out of his azz and sticking it in his big mouth.

[QuickJet]

SS LMAO This Jew Hating clown keeps pulling the foot out of his azz and sticking it in his big mouth.
He hates more than Jews, he hates America!!!

[Steve 1]

He hates more than Jews, he hates America!!!
You are right freedom ,success and acheivment would be the mortal enemy of people like ole Bent

[Kurtis500]

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?
War is hell Blown. All of history proves that the fate of children is DIRECTLY tied to the actions of thier fathers and/or leaders. Dead women and children is the most tragic part of war, but they suffer consequences resulting from the actions of the men in thier surroundings. It has always been that way, not my idea.
I think its arrogant to say one side is overreacting. The aggressor cant lash out and then cry 'unfair' when they are getting a far worse pounding. Dont start the damn war if you cant win it. I dont think civilians should pay, but thats what happens. I have no problem with mass fire bombings of the past that killed hundreds of thousands of people. Its the worst kind of war, but without 2 atomic bombs (overreaction in your terms) a war would have never ended without a worse beating. One fact is for sure though, those wars are OVER!
They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state
How far back in history should we go to see who the 'owners' of the land are? 1000 years? 2-3000 years? what then? who was there first and later kicked out?

[Old Texan]

Blown your last "cut and paste" may be the biggest crockashit of any "cut and paste" you've ever dug up. Who might the author be? If he isn't a radical islamic terrorist himself, he certainly is a supporter, a hardcore supporter.
Have you been translating bin Laden again?
Oh by the way, "Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children."

[Blown 472]

Oh by the way, "Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children."
Same reason israel puts ammo dumps near and around a rab homes.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Same reason israel puts ammo dumps near and around a rab homes.
That's no explanation, it's a redirect, as usual, and lame, as usual.
Try again.:
"Explain to us now why Hezbollah is justified in cowering behind women and children."

[Old Texan]

Same reason israel puts ammo dumps near and around a rab homes.
Blown your answers/justifications remind me of trailers for B movies. Lots of potential action intimated and then the movie sucks.
:rolleyes:

[Old Texan]

I'm getting concerned that with all the bombing going on, Israel won't have enough munitions left to place "ammo dumps" near all remaining arab homes left in Israel.
If this happens, Blown will have one of his prime theories destroyed. Plus the ACLU will no doubt have the basis for a class action suit against Israel not treating their arab tenants equally. Everyone should have the right to live next to an ammo dump.
I'm sure this statement sounds about as ridiculous as Blown's answer to Hezbollah justification for hiding their cowardly selves among the innocent women and children.
C'mon Blown, I know you can do better....................how about maybe gas chambers or cheap suit factories :rolleyes:

[QuickJet]

Blown is busy searching Hezbolla and Al Queda websites searching for a response to copy and paste. He'll have something to say as soon as the big arm is up his puppet ass again!

[Blown 472]

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=294799876&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

[Poster X]

Hezbollah, Hamas nor terrorism as you know it would exist if Israel honored the treaty of the six days war. Palestininians tried for 25 years to go through the legal process set forth by the UN before terrorism began against Israel and finally..America. All we have to do to end this incredibly simple war is do what we promised in writing over fifty years ago. Give Palestine the Gaza Strip and statehood. It's that simple. We are turning this into a global catastrophe and uniting religions against one another and possibly leading to WWIII. All because we lied and refuse to have the integrity to honor the treaty in whole. Now back to your regular scheduled bullshit macho posturing.

[Old Texan]

Wonderful, PeeWee X is back in the funhouse.......
What land pray tell did Israel abandon and turn over to the Palestineans a short time back. And since there was an election which Hamas won, is there not a state established?
If this is what all the hubbub is about why then is the Iraq war about oil? I thought that was the potential cause for WWIII?
The lib spin sure gets confusing trying to keep track of the blame......

[Poster X]

Wonderful, PeeWee X is back in the funhouse.......
What land pray tell did Israel abandon and turn over to the Palestineans a short time back. And since there was an election which Hamas won, is there not a state established?
If this is what all the hubbub is about why then is the Iraq war about oil? I thought that was the potential cause for WWIII?
The lib spin sure gets confusing trying to keep track of the blame......
Israel offered a compromise which was turned down by the Palenstinians in whole. The "spin" has never changed. Terrorism from the middle east has always been about the strip. No one has said the Iraq war was about oil that I'm aware of (if so it wasn't me)? I believe the Iraq war is about Daddy being insulted and expansionism. None of us (including the brain trust here) will ever know for sure.

[Poster X]

I know history and facts take away all your hyperbole and paranoia but Hezbollah and Hamas were formed AFTER being occupied by Israel. Mull that over.
(If this is posted twice it's the sites fault not mine.) What's up with this site? It goes down more than a Phillipino hooker?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

No one has said the Iraq war was about oil that I'm aware of (if so it wasn't me)?
Holy cow poser, how did you EVER miss the last 4 years of "No war for oil" protestors? They used to be all over the place, and still appear from time to time (appear as stupid as ever).

[Poster X]

I'm very aware of those idiots. As far as I know them protesting.. doesn't make them Democrats. Informed people know that before the war the French received the majority of Iraqi oil and since the war the French receive the majority of Iraqi oil. If it were about the oil our prices wouldn't have risen almost 50%. It would be free. The spoils of war. This country is far too politically correct to take the oil and use it ourselves. We will however, give it away to a nation that hates our guts and rebuild Iraq out of our own pockets. Such is America. Love it or change it. (or something like that)

[Old Texan]

Democrats....hmmmm, seems like some Kerry guy and maybe Dean guy "hinted" on a war for oil being the motive. But I guess it was just something stuck in the mud being slung that day.
Of course we have Israeli's living in bomb shelters while arabs have to live next to ammo dumps. These terrorist creations of Israel sure were throwing their low tech missles at Haifa this morning. Guess they couldn't get on "Hot Boat" due to the high traffic and weren't able to get the real "scoop" on their history. :rolleyes:

[Poster X]

I can lead you to water but I can't make you think. :wink:

[Old Texan]

"Playhouse Limerick of the Day"

[OutCole'd]

Bottom line here in my opinion.
Take away every weapon from the Islamic extremist's, Hezbolah, Hamas, Iran, etc. and the region would have peace. They will always fight, they could throw rocks at each other. They don't want peace. They want to erradicate the world of anyone who does not have the same beliefs as thereown.
Take away all the weapons from Israel and there would be no Israel. I believe they just want to live in that tiny slice of dirt. Leave them alone and they will leave everyone else alone.
Did Israel bring a Machine gun to a BB gun war? Hell yes. I applaud them for that. Is it a tragedy when an inoccent person dies? Hell yes.

[Poster X]

Despite ignoring every UN sanction the last fifty years, today, in lieu of over a dozen warning that shells were hitting too close to the UN watchtower in Lebanon, two Israeli missiles destroyed it killing all four neutral observers. Yeah, they really want peace. :rolleyes:

[OutCole'd]

Despite ignoring every UN sanction the last fifty years, today, in lieu of over a dozen warning that shells were hitting too close to the UN watchtower in Lebanon, two Israeli missiles destroyed it killing all four neutral observers. Yeah, they really want peace. :rolleyes:
So what would happen if every weapon was removed from Israel? Would the rest of the middle east leave them alone or would they pounce and kill every jew?

[Poster X]

War Information
We are currently at DEFCON:2
DEFCON
(Defense Readiness Condition):
This system informs our members and other squadrons of the current readiness condition of the VFAS-524. This DEFCON rating ranges from 5 (peacetime) to 1 (at war). The stages of alerts are as follows:
DEFCON 5 (FADE OUT):
Normal peacetime situation exists, no current threats. Standard Training schedule.
No challenges from any other have been received.
DEFCON 4 (DOUBLE TAKE):
Increased intelligence watch and strengthened security measures. Training exercises increased. VFAS-524 has issued a challenge to another squadron for combat. A date and time has not been set.
DEFCON 3 (ROUND HOUSE):
An increase in force readiness above normal readiness. Training increased further,
all Reserve Pilots are reactivated to Active status. VFAS-524 has received a challenge for combat. A date and time has not been set.
DEFCON 2 (FAST PACE):
A further increase in force readiness but less than maximum readiness, All members are alerted to the possibility that war is eminent. VFAS-524 has received or issued a challenge for combat. A date and time has been set.
DEFCON 1 (COCKED PISTOL):
Maximum force readiness, Scramble, War has begun.
STAND DOWN:
Once a threat no longer exists a stand down order will be issued by the C/O, X/O, or Ops Officer

[OutCole'd]

War Information
We are currently at DEFCON:2
DEFCON
(Defense Readiness Condition):
This system informs our members and other squadrons of the current readiness condition of the VFAS-524. This DEFCON rating ranges from 5 (peacetime) to 1 (at war). The stages of alerts are as follows:
DEFCON 5 (FADE OUT):
Normal peacetime situation exists, no current threats. Standard Training schedule.
No challenges from any other have been received.
DEFCON 4 (DOUBLE TAKE):
Increased intelligence watch and strengthened security measures. Training exercises increased. VFAS-524 has issued a challenge to another squadron for combat. A date and time has not been set.
DEFCON 3 (ROUND HOUSE):
An increase in force readiness above normal readiness. Training increased further,
all Reserve Pilots are reactivated to Active status. VFAS-524 has received a challenge for combat. A date and time has not been set.
DEFCON 2 (FAST PACE):
A further increase in force readiness but less than maximum readiness, All members are alerted to the possibility that war is eminent. VFAS-524 has received or issued a challenge for combat. A date and time has been set.
DEFCON 1 (COCKED PISTOL):
Maximum force readiness, Scramble, War has begun.
STAND DOWN:
Once a threat no longer exists a stand down order will be issued by the C/O, X/O, or Ops Officer
Interesting, but that does not answer my question.

[Old Texan]

He'll never provide a direct answer. He runs amok with rhetoric than frustratingly spouts off about how "we" the majority don't get it, like he's privy to the "secrets of the universe".
He's got to be related to J. Kerry somehow, 'cause every post takes on the Kerry campaign rant, "If I were King......."

[Poster X]

So what would happen if every weapon was removed from Israel? Would the rest of the middle east leave them alone or would they pounce and kill every jew?
I would imagine they'd pounce and kill every Jew? And retrospectively the Jews would probably do the same to them. What's frustrating is that this could have been solved any time within the last 50 years just by honoring a treaty. Now, most likely, the world will be split into halves (christians vs muslims) and world war will prevail. For less real eastate than the King ranch.

[OutCole'd]

I would imagine they'd pounce and kill every Jew? And retrospectively the Jews would probably do the same to them. What's frustrating is that this could have been solved any time within the last 50 years just by honoring a treaty. Now, most likely, the world will be split into halves (christians vs muslims) and world war will prevail. For less real eastate than the King ranch.
I disagree that by anyone sticking to a treaty, things would be peacefull in the Middle East, There is a hatred so deep I don't see anything ever changing that.
But to each there own.

[Poster X]

Well, we should have honored the treaty. At least then (if it didn't work) this war would be justified and quick. All this time has allowed so many splinter groups to pop up it can't be stopped or fought in any traditional fashion.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I would imagine they'd pounce and kill every Jew? And retrospectively the Jews would probably do the same to them.
Now, AFTER all the Jews have been slaughtered by the terrorists, just how do you figure there are any LEFT to pounce back????????
There isn't any way you can POSSIBLY (sanely) believe that if the palistineans were all disarmed, and kept that way, that there'd be a mirror slaughter by the Israelis............................ :argue:

[Poster X]

They have shown resonance in preemptive acts. I have no reason to believe different. Either way, it's a ridiculous speculation. Neither ever have been, or ever will be, disarmed.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

So, you want to put forth a hypothetical, then deny the possibility as you are forced to eat it..... as usual. Ho hummmm.
They have been shown, by history to make pre-emptive acts AGAINST GANGEROUS FOES WHO ARE ACTIVELY THREATENING THEM.
If you are so stupid as to have someone threaten, in front of you, to cut you up with their knife they are holding, AND YOU LET5 THEM BEFORE YOU ACT TO STOP/PREVENT IT, then you deserve to die of stupidity. A direct understood threat like that demands pre-emptive action.
Just what was pre-emptive about the current re-invasion of the west bank?? I mean, the last couple months of rocket strikes and suicide bombers disregarded of course ......

[Poster X]

So, you want to put forth a hypothetical, then deny the possibility as you are forced to eat it..... as usual. Ho hummmm.
I put forth no hypothetical preponderance of such inanity. I responded to a question. If you are going to try and pretend you're smart (although it's far too late) at least read the thread.