Still looking, is this a good deal?

[Titan7]

2002 ULTRA STEALTH, 21' 0'' MERCRUISER 496 MAG I/O, DUAL BATTERIES, DRIVE SHOWER, STAINLESS STEEL PROPELLER, POWER HATCH, BIMINI TOP, BOAT COVER, UPGRADED CD STEREO WITH SUBS, LIKE NEW CONDITION MUST SEE. $38k. 180 hours.
Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.

[2Driver]

Better yet I'd be all over this one: Less hours and less money and twice the boat depite the closed bow and a couple checkers.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/9/84746479.htm

[caroftheweek]

Better yet I'd be all over this one: Less hours and less money and twice the boat depite the closed bow and a couple checkers.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/9/84746479.htm
"ENGINE MODEL 7.4 MPI Bravo 1 (502) "
since when is a 502 only 7.4 liters?

[x7734x]

"ENGINE MODEL 7.4 MPI Bravo 1 (502) "
since when is a 502 only 7.4 liters?
I was thinking the exact same thing. :rollside:

[HocusPocus]

Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.
never go smaller when it comes to power. the 496 works very well in the 21' boat.

[Titan7]

Thanks I am going to take a look at it this week.
Here is the link:
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/8/4/84978684.htm

[Boozer]

With gas prices what they are and only expected to go up I think that boat is over priced. Make a low ball offer on that boat and see what the seller says. If the seller says no move on because theres going to be someone out there who's desperate to get rid of their boat and willing to accept a low ball offer.

[Deano]

never go smaller when it comes to power. the 496 works very well in the 21' boat.
also remember that the 7.4 has 5 more horsepower than the 496 mag

[2Driver]

"ENGINE MODEL 7.4 MPI Bravo 1 (502) "
since when is a 502 only 7.4 liters?
I noticed that but at least he has the HP right for the 7.4. I guess his metric converter was bad. Also notice wire ties holding on right fender skirt. RIg is worth a look IMO. I'd be on it if it was an OB

[Deano]

7.4 mpi = 385 hp

[2Driver]

7.4 mpi = 385 hp
Hmm yeah it says MPI doesn't. Wierd ad. OK now I am going to call it. Doesn't sound like a boater wrote the ad.

[Titan7]

It's a nice but I really like Ultra and I am not a fan of checkers, not that it's bad just not "my thing". So $38 is too high perhaps I should just keep looking.

[Outnumbered]

7.4 MPI = 310 HP
7.4 MPI MAg = 385 HP
If its the standard MPI it would be a dog.

[shippingguy]

It's a nice but I really like Ultra and I am not a fan of checkers, not that it's bad just not "my thing". So $38 is too high perhaps I should just keep looking.
How many hours are on it? Also try and get the HIN# on it and call down to Ultra in El Cajon or PM ULTRA28 on here to see if it is one he actually built and rigged. That is important. If everything checks out offer $36,000 for it. I would also go for a water test in it as well.

[Howie Feltersnatch]

Just pull a "Chopper" & cut his price in half. All he can say is no & nake a counter. I love negotiating.

[Titan7]

Ted told me 180 something.
I guess it would be good to take it to Ultra Corona and have it checked out. I think you can get the motor RPM history and hours from the computer on the motor?

[MayDaze]

[QUOTE=Titan7]It's a nice but I really like Ultra and I am not a fan of checkers, not that it's bad just not "my thing". So $38 is too high perhaps I should just keep looking.[/QUOTE
Last time I was at Shockwave I believe a new 21ft was going out the door around 45k.. You might check on new ones with Ultra or whoever

[Deano]

7.4 MPI = 310 HP
7.4 MPI MAg = 385 HP
If its the standard MPI it would be a dog.
and I thought I was all smart and shiat :cool:

[shippingguy]

Ted told me 180 something.
I guess it would be good to take it to Ultra Corona and have it checked out. I think you can get the motor RPM history and hours from the computer on the motor?
Again, check the HIN#. I would also contact Ultra and see what they can do for you on a new one. You may be pleasantly surprised. Call Barry/John D. at Corona Ultra 951-734-6000. Tell them Mike(shippingguy) sent you or just PM me I can help as well.

[Titan7]

"Last time I was at Shockwave I believe a new 21ft was going out the door around 45k.. You might check on new ones with Ultra or whoever"
Hum,
I will PM John @ ultra to see if that's the case.

[redi4fun]

2002 ULTRA STEALTH, 21' 0'' MERCRUISER 496 MAG I/O, DUAL BATTERIES, DRIVE SHOWER, STAINLESS STEEL PROPELLER, POWER HATCH, BIMINI TOP, BOAT COVER, UPGRADED CD STEREO WITH SUBS, LIKE NEW CONDITION MUST SEE. $38k. 180 hours.
Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.
What about this one, or do you have your mind set on an ULTRA?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121252

[redi4fun]

Or this one ???
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113846
It seems to me that most people on here take pretty good care of there boats.

[LETZGO]

7.4 MPI = 310 HP
7.4 MPI MAg = 385 HP
If its the standard MPI it would be a dog.
IT'S only 21' I had a 23' with 454 and it planned out very fast and had plenty of power. but IMO more power is always better.

[LETZGO]

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[shockwavebd]

"Last time I was at Shockwave I believe a new 21ft was going out the door around 45k.. You might check on new ones with Ultra or whoever"
Hum,
I will PM John @ ultra to see if that's the case.
Check your pms.................I just sent you one... :rollside:

[rivercrazy]

For what its worth, I'd choose a 21' Shockwave Step Skier all day long over a 21' Ultra. The Shockwave has a 21 degree bottom with a single step. It will ride better in the rough than the Ultra will. And be faster on the top end

[slink]

Check your pms.................I just sent you one... :rollside:
W H O R E!!! :p :)

[shockwavebd]

W H O R E!!! :p :)
Thank you........................lol

[Desert Rat]

My brother has a 98 Lavey Craft 21' I think it is XTski (open bow) 7.4L low hours that he has for sale. Great condition, Big stereo with CD changer that I will have it here in SoCal soon. Nice colors and i think he is asking about 30K for it. I can't post up pictures here at work If somebody could help post or I can email them to you. The boat is very clean. Bravo One, trimtabs, a few subs.............I don't have all the specs yet but can get them pretty quick

[rivercrazy]

My brother has a 98 Lavey Craft 21' I think it is XTski (open bow) 7.4L low hours that he has for sale. Great condition, Big stereo with CD changer that I will have it here in SoCal soon. Nice colors and i think he is asking about 30K for it. I can't post up pictures here at work If somebody could help post or I can email them to you. The boat is very clean.
Another deeper V 21 footer that will ride well in rougher conditions

[AZJD]

Am I wrong? I thought a 7.4MPI was a 454........ :confused:

[Mandelon]

2002 ULTRA STEALTH, 21' 0'' MERCRUISER 496 MAG I/O, DUAL BATTERIES, DRIVE SHOWER, STAINLESS STEEL PROPELLER, POWER HATCH, BIMINI TOP, BOAT COVER, UPGRADED CD STEREO WITH SUBS, LIKE NEW CONDITION MUST SEE. $38k. 180 hours.
Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.
Where will you be using it?
I was in a 21 with the 350 Mag and was surprised how well it did. The boat had a 5 blade prop and did well for towing wakeboarders, but didn't have much top end. Heck of a good pull and got on plane quick, but its all a tradeoff. Worked well for the lower river though. Probably not so good on Havasu though.

[Jordy]

Am I wrong? I thought a 7.4MPI was a 454........ :confused:
I'd hope you'd get that right since about 14 people posted it before you in this thread. :D :D :D

[AZJD]

I'd hope you'd get that right since about 14 people posted it before you in this thread. :D :D :D
You show me where someone said that the 7.4 is a 454 and I will give you a hundred dollars.......this only applies to previous post's and un-edited...must be verbatim...
I saw this:
"ENGINE MODEL 7.4 MPI Bravo 1 (502) "
since when is a 502 only 7.4 liters?
And this:
I noticed that but at least he has the HP right for the 7.4. I guess his metric converter was bad. Also notice wire ties holding on right fender skirt. RIg is worth a look IMO. I'd be on it if it was an OB
and even this:
BIT'S only 21' I had a 23' with 454 and it planned out very fast and had plenty of power. but IMO more power is always better.
But no one ever said that the 7.4 was a 454... :) :) :) :) :)

[Jordy]

You show me where someone said that the 7.4 is a 454 and I will give you a hundred dollars.......this only applies to previous post's and un-edited...must be verbatim...
Now you want to get all fancy and put details and restrictions on it. And is this the $100 you owe me or are we talking about a new hundy??? :D :D :D

[AZJD]

Now you want to get all fancy and put details and restrictions on it. And is this the $100 you owe me or are we talking about a new hundy??? :D :D :D
I'm all paid up............

[boatnam2]

im a lavey owner but that boat is ugly as hell he will have a hard time selling that thing.the ultra is nice looking but boat sells are way down i would look around or make a low offer.im sure they got 5k in mark up.

[Jordy]

I'm all paid up............
You obviously haven't seen your boat storage tab then yet. :D :D :D
I'm bored. Happy hour somewhere??? Or I need a nap. Torn between the 2. It was much better when you had Nextel because then I didnt have to call you. :notam:

[Outnumbered]

Am I wrong? I thought a 7.4MPI was a 454........ :confused:
It is, 454=7.4 litres = 7400cc
496=8.1 liters = 8100 cc
etc.
My point was that there are TWO versions of the 7.4 MPI. One is 310 HP and the MAG is 385 HP. Both are Multi-Point-Injected (MPI) vs Throttle-Body-Injected (TBI).
Just don't want anyone to pay all the money and find out they have the 310HP motor when they thought that all 454 MPIs were the same.

[2Driver]

Not to jack the thread but since all the talk on the motor sizes in the Lavey ad....
I called the Lavey owner as I was 1/2 interested. Very very nice guy and seemed real honest but not a motor guy at all. He really did not have a clue on the engine size or HP and was going on some data he got from the Boat shop where he just got an annual service. He got mixed up with their data and had to call and get back to me :rolleyes:
It's a stock 7.4 MPI. He seemed very anxious to sell. Those checkers could be taken care of real easy by Mike at Custom Paint in LHC and you would have a 24' Lavey with 170 hours on for $34K or less I bet.

[beaverretriever]

Seems expensive.
There was an 03 on Boattrader two weeks ago for under 30k with only 110 hrs. My buddy called on it and it sold in a day. There are good deals out there, you just have to catch them.
When I started looking for my new boat I put in a bid on a 2004 Lavey 21 XTSKI with only 50 hrs for 39k and the 496ho. Also a bigger boat than the 21 Ultra. I missed it by only a few hours. I ended up ordering somthing new though.
I would keep looking.
Good luck and if I see anything, I will PM you.

[AZJD]

You obviously haven't seen your boat storage tab then yet. :D :D :D
I'm bored. Happy hour somewhere??? Or I need a nap. Torn between the 2. It was much better when you had Nextel because then I didnt have to call you. :notam:
Going to the gym in a few then maybe a beer!

[2Driver]

There was an 03 on Boattrader two weeks ago for under 30k with only 110 hrs. My buddy called on it and it sold in a day. There are good deals out there, you just have to catch them.
.
Now that's an insane deal. I missed a XTski last summer when the guy who had my deposit sent it back and said he was keeping the boat. I usually get the deals, on my 12th boat. :rolleyes:

[Titan7]

Wow,
I got a lot of info from this thread. Thanks for everyone's opinion it helps! Thanks for the PM Boat Spam, all nice rides! Me and the wife will consider them all, so many choices!! I am pretty limited to a 21-23' since that's all that will fit, budget and driveway! This is a first boat too I might add.
I boat, well in my friend's boat at Havasu, Mohave, Houseboating at Powell every couple yrs, and the lower river (blythe). I was looking at jets but it just looks like a jet needs too much HP to get to 60mph. It would also seem to me jet motors would have a shorter life because you have to run them at a much higher RPM to get the same speed. Then there is gas cost!!
I think the i/o is the way to go, I just can't take it out at Blythe (near I10), very shallow.
The 350mag/Bravo 1 seemed to do about 59-62 on the 21' 18 degree bottom Ultra, etc. I guess the 496Mag would do mid 60's?
Thanks for your help!

[MBlaster]

I like that lavey, even though its a closed bow.
Make the guy a stupid offer, you never know.

[Outnumbered]

Now that's an insane deal. I missed a XTski last summer when the guy who had my deposit sent it back and said he was keeping the boat. I usually get the deals, on my 12th boat. :rolleyes:
I think he was talking about the 21 Ultra???

[Desert Rat]

Picture of my brothers boat. Sorry if the size is a little big
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/881DSCF0187.jpg

[Outnumbered]

I was considering that before I bought the Cobalt. If it was closer I would have probaly bought it. Looks clean.

[2Driver]

[QUOTE=Desert Rat]Picture of my brothers boat. Sorry if the size is a little big
Hours?
Motor?
Price?
Year?

[Desert Rat]

[QUOTE=Desert Rat]Picture of my brothers boat. Sorry if the size is a little big
Hours?
Motor?
Price?
Year?
I will have more info soon
Hours ... Not sure but I believe approx 220
Motor.....454/7.4L not exactly sure which version
Price as stated.. 30K obo
trim taps and stereo+++++

[Outnumbered]

I'm pretty sure its a 1998. Mark, I just sent you a pic I had of it from the trader. It was listed at $34k I believe back in March. That is all I can remember.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It is, 454=7.4 litres = 7400cc
496=8.1 liters = 8100 cc
etc.
My point was that there are TWO versions of the 7.4 MPI. One is 310 HP and the MAG is 385 HP. Both are Multi-Point-Injected (MPI) vs Throttle-Body-Injected (TBI).
Just don't want anyone to pay all the money and find out they have the 310HP motor when they thought that all 454 MPIs were the same.
Not that anyone cares. The Merc "7.4 mpi" was 310 hp The Merc "454 mag" was 385 hp. There was also a Merc 7.4 thar was a carb notor that was 330 hp easy confusable A bit of off thread trivia

[Outnumbered]

Not that anyone cares. The Merc "7.4 mpi" was 310 hp The Merc "454 mag" was 385 hp. There was also a Merc 7.4 thar was a carb notor that was 330 hp easy confusable A bit of off thread trivia
Isn't that exactly what I said? We know its (Lavey) not carbed because he said it was MPI ;)

[Outnumbered]

IT'S only 21' I had a 23' with 454 and it planned out very fast and had plenty of power. but IMO more power is always better.
Re-read the posts above. The 21' has a 496 MAG (375 hp), the 24' Lavey has the mystery 7.4MPI which we are not sure of the HP, 310HP or 385HP version?
I have a 24' boat with that 310 HP motor and it does great for a cruiser/ski boat. Planes out very fast with a B3 and runs 50-55 top speed. But, this motor in a 24' Lavey will be a dog compared to a 7.4 MPI MAG with 385 HP.

[Titan7]

After a lot of thought, reading most of the archives here until 3:30 AM Friday, Sat, and Sun. I think a 23' is the way to go. Fact is havasu is where we will do a lot of boating and without being able to ride in a 21 Stealth at Havasu I can only assume I will get beat to death.
I have been in my friends 21' Rogers jet and we got beat pretty bad in the main channel, it's ok down by Cattail but crossing the main channel Sat afternoon is not fun. I have not totally ruled out the 21 so I am going to see if I can get a ride in the 21 Stealth at Havasu next time I am out there.
The wife and I have looked at Eliminator, Shockwave, Essex, Cobra, Dana, andUltra. I hulls I like are the Ultra 23XS (used option only at this point :mad: ), The Cobra 230 Razor, and the Eliminator 230 eagle. I really like the older Ultra 23XS, and Cobra 230 Razor the best, I love the lines on that hull.
Questions:
1. Better off just waiting for a used Ultra 23 XS (one built by J. West)
2. Anybody know the last years John was making this hull?
3. Going with the Cobra 230 Razor new or the Eliminator.
If I wait for a used (Ultra 23xs) how often do you regulars see them pop up? Am I just looking at the wrong time of year?
I looked at the 24 Stealth and loved it but it's WELL out of my budget, even used models at this time. The 24 seems A LOT bigger than the 23 XS.
Thanks for any suggestions!

[Desert Rat]

My Brothers Lavey has the 7.4L MPI just to clarify

[Mrs.HLB]

After a lot of thought, reading most of the archives here until 3:30 AM Friday, Sat, and Sun. I think a 23' is the way to go. Fact is havasu is where we will do a lot of boating and without being able to ride in a 21 Stealth at Havasu I can only assume I will get beat to death.
I have been in my friends 21' Rogers jet and we got beat pretty bad in the main channel, it's ok down by Cattail but crossing the main channel Sat afternoon is not fun. I have not totally ruled out the 21 so I am going to see if I can get a ride in the 21 Stealth at Havasu next time I am out there.
The wife and I have looked at Eliminator, Shockwave, Essex, Cobra, Dana, andUltra. I hulls I like are the Ultra 23XS (used option only at this point :mad: ), The Cobra 230 Razor, and the Eliminator 230 eagle. I really like the older Ultra 23XS, and Cobra 230 Razor the best, I love the lines on that hull.
Questions:
1. Better off just waiting for a used Ultra 23 XS (one built by J. West)
2. Anybody know the last years John was making this hull?
3. Going with the Cobra 230 Razor new or the Eliminator.
If I wait for a used (Ultra 23xs) how often do you regulars see them pop up? Am I just looking at the wrong time of year?
I looked at the 24 Stealth and loved it but it's WELL out of my budget, even used models at this time. The 24 seems A LOT bigger than the 23 XS.
Thanks for any suggestions!
Hello.. We still have the 23ft Genesis for sale.. We boat in Havasu, Mohave and Needles area. Low hours and a good price. Let me know if you want more info or pics.
Good Luck with your search.
Mrs.HLB

[Nord]

I would hold tight a little while........boat prices are going to drop a little.........again.... i I predict a little, this will drive used boat prices down a little as well. There is a sh*t load of used boats for sale and they are mostly overpriced for a buyer (not seller).
Look at the spam section for Pete's sake.............there is a ton of boats in the trader etc.....
It is turning into a buyers market in the used boat world...........
Good luck
~NORD~

[wiggler]

So, take a look at my Essex below. It is a 21', open bow, with 496 Mag, Bravo Three, s.s. props, immaculate. Less than 85 hours. Has had no probems in Havasu chop. I am willing to negotiate.

[beever_retreever]

2002 ULTRA STEALTH, 21' 0'' MERCRUISER 496 MAG I/O, DUAL BATTERIES, DRIVE SHOWER, STAINLESS STEEL PROPELLER, POWER HATCH, BIMINI TOP, BOAT COVER, UPGRADED CD STEREO WITH SUBS, LIKE NEW CONDITION MUST SEE. $38k. 180 hours.
Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.
We waited over a year before buying our used Ultra back in April. 02 247XS OB 496HO w/ 38 hrs for 44k from a couple in Anaheim. Back in Sept 05 we found an 02 247XS OB 496MAG w/ 200 hrs for 37.5k from some dude in Tarzana but we didn't pull the trigger.
You'd be surprised what you can afford and how much you can deal with the right person. Good luck.

[DM57]

Titan7
I have an Eliminator 236 Eagle XP for sale. It is posted in SPAM. It has the 496HO Motor and handles rough water very well. It is a soft comfortable ride accross Havasu. You cant go wrong with this boat. I used to have a 21 Ultra. The handling between the two is night and day. It is very similar to the Ultra 23XS and Cobra 230 Razor. Check out the pics and info in SPAM. I am flexible on price.

[Titan7]

Thanks for the input from everyone. I am going to sort through the pro/con list again. I figure I have some time as if I go new I won't have it until late Sept. early October and the season is over. If the right pre-owned comes around then I will make a decision then.
I am going to do a little more research and see if John West gets any nice trade-in boats. Off to havasu this weekend to ride in my sister's 23XS again and a 21 stealth.
Thanks again, all of you were very helpful.

[Kilrtoy]

2002 ULTRA STEALTH, 21' 0'' MERCRUISER 496 MAG I/O, DUAL BATTERIES, DRIVE SHOWER, STAINLESS STEEL PROPELLER, POWER HATCH, BIMINI TOP, BOAT COVER, UPGRADED CD STEREO WITH SUBS, LIKE NEW CONDITION MUST SEE. $38k. 180 hours.
Would the 350 Mag be a better match for the size of the boat?
thanks.
I would say it is over priced by about 6K...
That is probably what he paid for it 4 years ago.....
and yes a 350 mag would work just fine...

[code8]

If your ever in Martinez Lake, let me know. We could hook up and you could get a ride on our 05 21 Stealth Ultra. I'm very happy with the sales, customer service and working with Mike and Cassy at their performance shop. Nothing but BIG PROPS to everyone at Ultra!
-Anthony :rollside:

[Jafojunkie]

Love my boat and service at Cobra. Hard to find a used one, but if it comes along, grab it. Handles excellent across Havasu. 6.2 merc tops at 63mph.

[Titan7]

Thanks for the offer Anthony! Nice boat! Same with that 230 Razor!