uh oh starter

[boats&bars]

hey guys help me out with this one I have a 25 hawaiian w a 454 berk jet harman marine logs , had a small fuel vapor fire on mojave last week but it out in seconds,no one hurt, thank god, but I think the yellow chemical from the extinguisher f' ed something up, I hosed it off as soom as I put it on the trailer about an hour later but it all went to the bilge I am wondering if sloshed on to the starter and corroded the brushes, the next day i went to a coin op and hit the whole motor really good , I have sprayed off the motor before with no problems , now I get it home and it wont crank over , good batterys every thing else works, I dont even know if I can get the starter off without pulling the log off that side any thoughts???????

[Legal Chemistry]

try to crank it over and check the voltage on the starter and see if you're getting any juice? Or go staight from the battery into the started, that may work as well.

[Big Kahunaa]

hit the starter with a hamer

[El Prosecutor]

Just in case - did you check the breaker?

[AZKC]

Ck for voltage and check the breaker.

[boats&bars]

I have checked the breaker its ok , the starter has juice , the voltage drops really low, when you hit the key, gonna see if I can pull the starter tomorrow , can i PULL IT WITH THE LOG ON????? how many bolts is it I think its only got 2, how much do starters cost????? thank all of you for the help..

[bakerjet]

2 bolts, stand on your head and you can do it with the logs on.

[james]

I just had this problem a couple of weeks ago. I let my brother in law drive (what a mistake) and he decides to go full speed and crank left. Yes he flooded the back past the starter. I thought if I let it dry for a week all would be good. Im not that lucky. I pulled the back off the old starter and Yes it was rust locked shut. A starter will cost you about $100 to $135. Dont by one from an auto store, The ones they carry dont have the spark arrest like a marine one will. First pull off the back of your old starter I will bet you have the same problem I had.
James :rollside:

[maustin]

I just had the same problem with mine also.They are not kidding about hitting it with a hammer,I just tapped it and it would start.I took the starter off and took it apart.The brush holders were rusty and would not hold the brushes against the rotor.In less than 1/2 hour I cleaned out all the rust and freeded up the brush holders.Also used emery on the rotor, lubed the bushing and reassembled with silicone on ends to seal it .It works like new and cost nothing.

[james]

Thats nice I will remember that next time. Because Im sure there will be a next time.

[YeLLowBoaT]

DON'T HIT IT WITH A HAMMER
You can de-magnitize or break the magnets. now if your planing on replacing the starter very soon( ie trying to get home) its ok. Just realize that if you do( ether of the 2 above) you will not be able to rebuild the starter.

[Dan Lorenze]

I didn't realize that the Hammer trick was bad for the starter. I once had a starter for more than 10 years, I'd hit with a hammer to free it up once in a while.

[Big Kahunaa]

dont hit it hard with a hammer

[Legal Chemistry]

just as maustin said, sometimes you can pull the starter out and clean up the planitary (sp?) gears in there and they are as good as new. hope that helps.

[boats&bars]

thanks guys I will pull it tonight and post the findings tomorrow

[jrork]

Just curious how everybody deals with the 2 bolts when they change starters. With my BBC the bolts come in from the bottom and need to be in place before I put the starter in the boat as it's so close to the bottom of the hull it wont allow the long bolts to be installed after the fact...........
Oh wise ones, what's the trick.

[Big Kahunaa]

Just curious how everybody deals with the 2 bolts when they change starters. With my BBC the bolts come in from the bottom and need to be in place before I put the starter in the boat as it's so close to the bottom of the hull it wont allow the long bolts to be installed after the fact...........
Oh wise ones, what's the trick.
buy a ford they are easy (wise ass out)

[jrork]

buy a ford they are easy (wise ass out)
I knew somebody was gonna say that while I was typing my question. Thanks for not disappointing.... :D

[73WriedtCustom]

just as maustin said, sometimes you can pull the starter out and clean up the planitary (sp?) gears in there and they are as good as new. hope that helps.
Planetary gears. Someone was brain-storming when they came up with that idea...
http://www.dliengineering.com/vibman/planetarygears.htm
I'm not sure about they're usage in electrical starter motors.
Was it an engineer for Cadillac who first developed the electrical starter motor?
I like to use wire or straightened paperclips to hold those damn'ed springs open when I re-assemble starters...
Mark

[boater012]

Just curious how everybody deals with the 2 bolts when they change starters. With my BBC the bolts come in from the bottom and need to be in place before I put the starter in the boat as it's so close to the bottom of the hull it wont allow the long bolts to be installed after the fact...........
Oh wise ones, what's the trick.
Im giving away one of my secrets here but I have put more starters on than i care to remember. Insert the starter bolts into the starter and get yourself two small diameter rubber o-rings. Slide them down the threaded side of the bolt and roll them to the very bottom against the starter. when you put the starter in the hole the o-rings keep the bolts from falling out. Simply start the bolts and tighten them up. (when you tighten the bolts the o-rings disintegrate or get forced into the starter housing) I have done this for years and never had a problem!