View Full Version : Howard 35 Bullet - Spy photos
Havasu_Dreamin
08-25-2006, 07:13 PM
Yes, that number is true; Howard is in the process of tooling the plug for the 35 Bullet. All of the work is being performed on-site by Mike Willen, GM of Howard Custom Boats. This thing should be awesome! From what I understand, base power is planned to be twin HO's but they expect to sell more with twin 525's or bigger.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_5.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_1.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_2.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_3.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_4.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_6.jpg
dicudmore
08-25-2006, 07:15 PM
:cool: :D
Kilrtoy
08-25-2006, 07:15 PM
wow, GOOD LUCK, IM SURE IT WILL BE A HIT
DEMOMAN
08-25-2006, 07:18 PM
That helm fountain drink station should be a real strong selling point. :boxed:
Riverkid
08-25-2006, 07:20 PM
Put some twin TPI's in that thing. SWEET!
Does Gene and Mike know these photos exist? I thought Gary said it was going to be a 33' Bullet in another thread? How is your new boat coming along? We are headed out to Havasu in the morning.
Havasu_Dreamin
08-25-2006, 07:35 PM
Does Gene and Mike know these photos exist? I thought Gary said it was going to be a 33' Bullet in another thread? How is your new boat coming along? We are headed out to Havasu in the morning.
Yes, I asked both Gene and Mike if it was ok to post them. Initial plan was a 33 but it has morphed into a 35 now.
They started taping the gel design today.
Won't be out this weekend, have a great trip Nick. Hope all is well with the family.
Yes, I asked both Gene and Mike if it was ok to post them. Initial plan was a 33 but it has morphed into a 35 now.
They started taping the gel design today.
Won't be out this weekend, have a great trip Nick. Hope all is well with the family.
I am sure you asked them I was just curious because Gene was real vague about the whole thing when I talked to him the other day. Is your boat out of the mold yet? The family is good right now and thanks for asking. We are going to be trying a different prop tomorrow and if it works good I will let you know so you can go that route. Talk to you later. Nick
Havasu_Dreamin
08-25-2006, 07:52 PM
Is your boat out of the mold yet?
No, they just started taping the design today. Should be spraying it on Monday.
slowinhavasu
08-25-2006, 07:54 PM
GO BIG or go home.......See ya tomorrow Scott......... :crossx:
TRUMP TIGHT
08-25-2006, 08:00 PM
Howard makes awesome boats!!
DILLIGAF
08-25-2006, 09:03 PM
Howard makes awesome boats!!
Ya they do. What do you think? Should I get in line?
roln 20s
08-25-2006, 09:48 PM
DILLIGAF-- YES, get in line now, I know the first is going to stay with Mike at Howard, the second is going to a current Howard customer (and board member with a 28 bullet), I'd anticipate that Speedman on here will be near the top of the list also.
From what I have heard, this is going to be HUGE. 35' long, shooting for 95+ with 525s, plus 6' of headroom in the cabin :) These may just be rumors--to be verified later.
BB-- the squares you are seeing on the inside of the hull are from the core of the balsa wood--just the true nature of the wood showing through. Cost is not known at this point and will NOT be known until the first boat is 100% complete. My guess is going to be the high 100's with stock HOs and 200+ with 525s. Again, this is just my guess.
Mike definitely designs and builds some of the best boats out there--this is going to be a great boat, perform great with top notch build quality--get in line, I'm guessing the first one will make it to the LA Boat SHow in 2008, yes, 2008 :)
Roln 20s
Can't really tell how it's going to turn out.. BUT, I can't wait to see the finished product. Howard knows how to put out a good boat. If what Roln' 20s says is true, then look out for another Head turner on the lakes.
djunkie
08-26-2006, 12:56 AM
Well hopefully when this thing is done there will be an abundance of used 28's on the market. I should be ready by 2008. :crossx: I only wish I had the money now. I'd be all over Speedmans. His 28 is bad assssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
Keith E. Sayre
08-26-2006, 08:12 AM
For those that have never watched the process, let me share a couple thoughts with you. There are maybe 20 guys in the world that can make
a boat mold and do it correctly, maybe not even that many. there is about
10,000 times more to it than merely making a flat surface flat.
Here at Conquest we have Scott Kornowski from Green Bay Wisconsin who as
far as I'm concerned is as good as they get. He did the Nordic molds in the
90's and then did the entire E Ticket cat and deckboat molds. He has now
done our 28' Boss Cat and redone both the Top Cat 1 and Top Cat II molds.
It doesn't get any better than that.
The other guy that knows precisely how to do it on the west coast is
Mike Willen at Howard. His work rivals anybody else that you want to
compare him to.
Frankly, I don't know how they do it. I've watched the process for years and still can't figure out how they can be so symmetrical and straight. Hats off
to them for being accurate and almost perfect in their work.
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
Obviously, I don't know every tooler in the business so I'm sure that I'm leaving alot of quality people out here, no offense. But noone does it better
than these 2 guys.
v4
little rowe boat
08-26-2006, 09:41 AM
I was out at Howard a week ago today and Mike was gracious enough to let me take a look at the new 35' project. He was telling me everything that the projects entails. It's a long process but when you do it right thats what it takes.
Havasu_Dreamin
08-26-2006, 09:53 AM
It's a long process but when you do it right thats what it takes.
Definitely. A very long and serious undertaking. And you can tell that Mike is in his element working on it, crafting a vision and then making it into a reality. I look forward to seeing the progress of this over the entire build cycle.
H2oracer
08-26-2006, 10:12 AM
Is this a smaller boat being stretched ?
Havasu_Dreamin
08-26-2006, 10:26 AM
Is this a smaller boat being stretched ?
Yes, using a 28 Bullet and stretching it to 35 as a starting point. There will be other differences, besides just the length, between the 28 and the 35.
Fast Freddy
08-26-2006, 01:17 PM
is this boat gonna have 1 or 2 steps in the bottom?
Havasu_Dreamin
08-31-2006, 04:09 PM
Side shot to give some perspective on how big this thing will be.....
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_8.jpg
blackcloud75
08-31-2006, 04:40 PM
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can't Wait........boat Show '07
Havasu_Dreamin
08-31-2006, 05:41 PM
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can't Wait........boat Show '07
Doubt it.....
Beer-30
08-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Appears single-step.
Havasu_Dreamin
09-05-2006, 05:57 PM
More pics. You can see where the sides have been cut down and where it was cut right down the keel in order to accomodate the additional 6 inches of width the 35 will have when compared to the 28.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_9.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_10.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_11.jpg
You would think because it is longer that it would have to be taller but it does not look like the bottom mold is changing any height?
Havasu_Dreamin
09-05-2006, 06:14 PM
You would think because it is longer that it would have to be taller but it does not look like the bottom mold is changing any height?
The 35, from what I understand, will have 14 more inches of freeboard than the 28. This additional freeboard, assuming it comes to fruition, will result in a full 6 feet of headroom in the cabin.
djunkie
09-05-2006, 09:22 PM
I'm sure you would be. she will have a few ponys by then with out a dought.
I have to some day along these lines catch up to TPI I only have another what 20 more mph or so to go. 94.6 is not going to GET R DONE. I would love to have Garys ponys in mine.
Hell I'd be happy with just a stock 525. Ya right. :rolleyes: :rollside: :rollside:
Sheeeesh,
I walk away for a couple minutes and the boat grows two feet! from 33 to 35. Its true,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its a 35 footer. Quite a bit of work here, but it will be very nice. A couple 900's would make her go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(or maybe some not so top secret 2007 TPI 525 efi's?) :cool:
djunkie
09-06-2006, 03:05 PM
Sheeeesh,
(or maybe some not so top secret 2007 TPI 525 efi's?) :cool:
Keep talking. :rollside: :rollside:
XFactor
09-06-2006, 03:24 PM
Appears single-step.
I see 2 steps. One before the cut-out an one after.
Keep talking. :rollside: :rollside:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Watch this redirect:
I am almost certain there will be at least two steps.
OGShocker
09-06-2006, 03:48 PM
I see 2 steps. One before the cut-out an one after.
I see a 35' flat bottom. Looks like a 22 degree bottom unless the camera is tricking my eyes...
Thats 22.5 degrees,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,every 1/2 degree counts! :crossx: It's the whole design, not just the dead rise. There is a very steep entry that tapers back. The flat bottom comment always makes me smile, lol :rollside:
Fast Freddy
09-07-2006, 06:52 AM
depending on how this 35 foot howard turns out when i sell my kachina this might just be the next boat i buy in the future. it would be sweet if this boat could hit 100 mph with two HP 525's
ekbearly
09-07-2006, 10:30 AM
I was told by Howard that they will be making a MCOB version as well. Finally, a nocely designed large MCOB. My 28 footer is a little small for running mainly in the ocean.
Havasu_Dreamin
09-08-2006, 05:32 PM
Updated pics with the sides back on at the new height.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_12.jpg
Notice the difference in height of the sides from the bow and then in the back. The area in the front is the new height of the side for the 35, the area in the back is where the height is on the 28.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_13.jpg
That boat is going to be fast..................................... :crossx:
Beer-30
09-08-2006, 09:19 PM
That boat is going to be fast..................................... :crossx:
It's going to be HEAVY before it's fast. With the structure and materials that Howard puts into every boat, that thing is going to be stout.
From those pics you can see the second step. My bad.
SoCalOffshore
09-11-2006, 07:34 PM
not to bash on anyones parade. but, dont you think a brand new boat should take more than adding a few more feet to a hull. what about technology. all i am saying is that when schiada wanted to make a new 32 schiada they spent over $250,000 on the mold alone. this was CDC desinged and the plug was made of compostie which was thrown away once they could model the plug. no offense, but i am just talking. dont bash me too much.
Havasu_Dreamin
09-11-2006, 08:24 PM
not to bash on anyones parade. but, dont you think a brand new boat should take more than adding a few more feet to a hull.
There is plenty more going into this than just adding a few more feet.....
djunkie
09-11-2006, 09:48 PM
not to bash on anyones parade. but, dont you think a brand new boat should take more than adding a few more feet to a hull. what about technology. all i am saying is that when schiada wanted to make a new 32 schiada they spent over $250,000 on the mold alone. this was CDC desinged and the plug was made of compostie which was thrown away once they could model the plug. no offense, but i am just talking. dont bash me too much.
I don't see anything wrong with expanding a bottom that is already proven as a winner. And I'm sure there was a lot of time put in to get that 28 bullett bottom to work the way it does.
Tom Brown
09-11-2006, 09:53 PM
That helm fountain drink station should be a real strong selling point. :boxed:
Very nice. :D :D :D
There will be other differences, besides just the length, between the 28 and the 35.
... like big gaping holes in the sides.
May I suggest a name change?
How about the 35 Boolit. :cool: http://www.***boat.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif
It's cool to see the build process. :)
Tom Brown
09-11-2006, 09:58 PM
not to bash on anyones parade. but, dont you think a brand new boat should take more than adding a few more feet to a hull.
No. I think they should take a known good design and modify it as little as possible.
Havasu_Dreamin
09-12-2006, 07:00 AM
... like big gaping holes in the sides.
Dude, A/C, duhhhhh..... :) :p :rollside:
Essex502
09-12-2006, 05:22 PM
Latest spy photos of the new Howard 35' Bullet.
This boat measures 34' of running surface.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404howard_35_0001_800.jpg
Howard worker next to the raw bottom showing the size of this baby!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404Howard_35_0002_800.jpg
The inside of the bottom:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404Howard_35_0003_800.jpg
Nose of the 35' Bullet
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404Howard_35_0004_800.jpg
Close-up of the twin steps.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404Howard_35_0005_800.jpg
Beer-30
09-12-2006, 05:31 PM
I am gonna toss out the possibility of twin Black Widows in this bad boy.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383jr3mm.JPG
Havasu_Dreamin
09-16-2006, 08:39 AM
Some new pics. Boat will be flipped over on Monday for the work on the bottom.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_16.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_17.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_18.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_21.JPG
Havasu_Dreamin
10-06-2006, 07:37 PM
Working on the bottom making a plug that will be used for water testing.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143Bullet_-_35_22.jpg
Say10
10-06-2006, 08:38 PM
that looks like my bottom????? Why can't I go that fast????? :crossx: :crossx:
slowinhavasu
10-06-2006, 08:51 PM
Let the BONDO begin....
Cole Sanger
10-06-2006, 09:44 PM
You guys make it look easy. So all I need to do is cut my boat in half and add the amount of feet I want? Sweet, anyone have a huge band saw and duct tape?
YeLLowBoaT
10-06-2006, 09:55 PM
You guys make it look easy. So all I need to do is cut my boat in half and add the amount of feet I want? Sweet, anyone have a huge band saw and duct tape?
If this was a DCB, they would use zip ties. :)
That looks like WAY TOO MUCH SANDING to me.
Havasu_Dreamin
10-07-2006, 09:15 AM
You guys make it look easy. So all I need to do is cut my boat in half and add the amount of feet I want? Sweet, anyone have a huge band saw and duct tape?
It's way harder than it looks. Mike from Howard has been spending a lot of time on this.
Let the BONDO begin....
Yep
That looks like WAY TOO MUCH SANDING to me.
Aint that the truth.
Havasu_Dreamin
10-25-2006, 07:48 PM
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02579.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02580.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02581.JPG
Throttle
10-25-2006, 07:58 PM
:idea: :idea: :idea:
captainblye
11-28-2006, 11:53 AM
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02579.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02580.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/6143DSC02581.JPG
Any updates on the 35 bullet?
budmeyser
11-28-2006, 01:12 PM
:cool: :D
looks sick
Havasu_Dreamin
11-28-2006, 02:25 PM
Any updates on the 35 bullet?
I'll have more pics tomorrow as I forgot to take any when I was there today. They are getting ready to flip the bottom over. When Mike measured the keel centerline from the bow to the stearn with a laser it was dead straight the whole way back.
kevnmcd
11-28-2006, 02:52 PM
I'll have more pics tomorrow as I forgot to take any when I was there today.
Yeah, we have heard that before! :crossx:
Havasu_Dreamin
11-28-2006, 03:05 PM
Yeah, we have heard that before! :crossx:
Pics were taken of the deckboat and those will be up tonight. Even got a pic of the motor which should be in tomorrow. However, no pics were taken of the 35 today.
Havasu_Dreamin
11-29-2006, 09:28 PM
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02654.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02645.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02644.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02643.jpg
Throttle
11-29-2006, 09:32 PM
Cut & Paste, then paint :idea:
Fast Freddy
11-29-2006, 09:43 PM
2 steps. as it should be
Havasu_Dreamin
12-08-2006, 10:16 PM
Getting ready to tool the deck.....
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02695.jpg
Havasu_Dreamin
12-14-2006, 03:51 PM
Tooling the top.....
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0358.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0357.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0356.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0355.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0354.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0353.jpg
Havasu_Dreamin
12-26-2006, 05:31 PM
Top is getting closer.....
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02773.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02771.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02770.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02769.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02772.jpg
little rowe boat
12-26-2006, 05:38 PM
Wow, looks great. Mike is really movin on that thing. I can't wait to see the finished product.
Beer-30
12-26-2006, 06:09 PM
For a second there, I though this is where they got the starting piece for the top half!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383lake_day_RR_009m.jpg
But, I see it isn't black around the w/s area.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/IMG_0353.jpg
Havasu_Dreamin
12-26-2006, 08:03 PM
Nope, the Red Baron is doing just fine at Howard.....
For a second there, I though this is where they got the starting piece for the top half!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383lake_day_RR_009m.jpg
Havasu_Dreamin
01-15-2007, 04:03 PM
Tooling the deck.....
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02826.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02827.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02828.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02829.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02830.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02831.jpg
Sr. must be proud of Jr. Sure good to see.
Wait a minute....is this SPAM? OMG!!! Someone must be paying Larry Flint to get away with this mockery of the anit-spam rule on this website. I hear from a friend of a friend that knows someone's sister who is dating this guy that Howard pays for advertising in ***boat! I know....what a "coincidence." I'd say that is the "smoking gun."
Now, I better go, because I might resort to name calling, and my family has already cut me out of the will.
LOL.
clearfork
01-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Signifigant progress, Keep up the good work guys.
Maybe I wont have to go through the entire next summer without a boat.
I am planning to be out in LA for the boat show...
I hope to meet and talk with you guys again while I am out there.
Be well ........keep up the up dates.............MP
Cole Sanger
01-15-2007, 08:50 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you building the mold, or an actual boat? I have looked at boat building a little, but not enough to know. Thanks.
Throttle
01-15-2007, 08:58 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you building the mold, or an actual boat? I have looked at boat building a little, but not enough to know. Thanks.
mmmmm, i was wondering the same thing, wtf are they doing?
Deano
01-15-2007, 09:05 PM
they are building the plug/boat. Then they make the mold over the plug then destroy the plug....damn shame all that work getting destroyed
Liquid Courage
01-15-2007, 09:07 PM
mmmmm, i was wondering the same thing, wtf are they doing?
They're building the boat to build the mold. Doing it the old fashioned way, instead of "splashing"!
phebus
01-15-2007, 09:07 PM
They are making the plug, and from that, they will make the mold.
Throttle
01-15-2007, 09:22 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you building the mold, or an actual boat? I have looked at boat building a little, but not enough to know. Thanks.
they used one of their other models, cut the middle and stretched it... it has been a long process for them... now the recent pics say they are tooling the deck... not even close to making a plug from i see in these pics...
Throttle
01-15-2007, 09:26 PM
They're building the boat to build the mold. Doing it the old fashioned way, instead of "splashing"!
splashing one of thier own is not really a splash (is it?)... I do not think this is the old fashioned way, IMO.
shockwaveharry
01-15-2007, 09:30 PM
...not even close to making a plug from i see in these pics...
That's exactly what they are doing... making the plug. When they're done doing their thing to that hunk of wood and fiberglass, they will have a completed plug to pull a mold from.
Looks nice!
Throttle
01-15-2007, 09:43 PM
That's exactly what they are doing... making the plug. When they're done doing their thing to that hunk of wood and fiberglass, they will have a completed plug to pull a mold from.
Looks nice!
I know and understand that they are working towards the plug through this process. It seems like they are doing a cut and paste kinda job... I am looking forward to seeing it when its done...
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
roln 20s
01-15-2007, 10:06 PM
I know and understand that they are working towards the plug through this process. It seems like they are doing a cut and paste kinda job... I am looking forward to seeing it when its done...
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
Hey Throttle-- both are plugs, Cobra is building a pure wood plug which I am assuming they will make a mold out of. Howard is building a "testing" plug, fiberglass, so Mike can put some motors in it and go run it. During the 2-6 month testing phase, Mike will probably rig and derig the boat a few times, flip it over, do some more work, then test it again. Once this process is complete and he is 110% satisfied with it, they will make a mold off of it. Sure, he is using part of other molds that he can use to create his desired look, then bondo, sand and smooth, and repeat a million times, same thing Cobra will do--just bondo and wood to completely straighten it, not part wood and part glass like Howard.
Both of these boats will be sweet--two different ways to acheive a new model and an original boat.
Roln 20s
I know and understand that they are working towards the plug through this process. It seems like they are doing a cut and paste kinda job... I am looking forward to seeing it when its done...
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
Throttle, where's the spy pics of the deck for the new 32? If it's the old fashioned way, the deck came a hell of alot further that the bottom... BTW, both look like they're going to be bitchen boats.
Throttle
01-15-2007, 10:25 PM
Hey Throttle-- both are plugs, Cobra is building a pure wood plug which I am assuming they will make a mold out of. Howard is building a "testing" plug, fiberglass, so Mike can put some motors in it and go run it. During the 2-6 month testing phase, Mike will probably rig and derig the boat a few times, flip it over, do some more work, then test it again. Once this process is complete and he is 110% satisfied with it, they will make a mold off of it. Sure, he is using part of other molds that he can use to create his desired look, then bondo, sand and smooth, and repeat a million times, same thing Cobra will do--just bondo and wood to completely straighten it, not part wood and part glass like Howard.
Both of these boats will be sweet--two different ways to acheive a new model and an original boat.
Roln 20s
I cant wait to see it....
Throttle
01-15-2007, 10:27 PM
Throttle, where's the spy pics of the deck for the new 32? If it's the old fashioned way, the deck came a hell of alot further that the bottom... BTW, both look like they're going to be bitchen boats.
oh they will be, too bad they were not done last year... I would be drivin one of them...
shockwaveharry
01-15-2007, 10:57 PM
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
Thanks for the bump on the 32's progress. I've been a huge fan of Cobra for years, even when everyone was hatin' them after the split from Ultra. In fact, I think I was the only one. :D
The deck on cobra's boat is clearly taken from the 29 Viper, "cut and pasted", as you say, to make it work with that boat (see pic below). Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think it's a smart move on their part using a design they already invested heavily in and making it work with their next project.
I don't understand the problem with Howard building their next project from a design that they have also invested heavily in, especially since it has proven to work so incredibly well. Remember, the Howard's bottom was once a plug built, in house, from scratch too.:)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/510/2610cobra_32-3.jpg
Throttle
01-15-2007, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=shockwaveharry;2340716]Thanks for the bump on the 32's progress. I've been a huge fan of Cobra for years, even when everyone was hatin' them after the split from Ultra. In fact, I think I was the only one. :D
The deck on cobra's boat is clearly taken from the 29 Viper, "cut and pasted", as you say, to make it work with that boat (see pic below). Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think it's a smart move on their part using a design they already invested heavily in and making it work with their next project.
I don't understand the problem with Howard building their next project from a design that they have also invested heavily in, especially since it has proven to work so incredibly well. Remember, the Howard's bottom was once a plug built, in house, from scratch too.:)
Certainly nothing wrong with it, the deck IMO was not really what caught my eye, it was the hull being cut and extended, but like Pat said, test after test it will all be good...
djunkie
01-15-2007, 11:24 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong Throttle but it sounds like your hating a little on Howard. From what I have learned, Mike stretched the 28 that he designed from the bottom up. Why start from scratch when you have something thats clearly a winner? Especially when it was built by him in the first place. :rolleyes:
Throttle
01-15-2007, 11:35 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong Throttle but it sounds like your hating a little on Howard. From what I have learned, Mike stretched the 28 that he designed from the bottom up. Why start from scratch when you have something thats clearly a winner? Especially when it was built by him in the first place. :rolleyes:
get to know me better, not a hater... you r forgivin.:D
Havasu_Dreamin
01-16-2007, 07:53 AM
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you building the mold, or an actual boat? I have looked at boat building a little, but not enough to know. Thanks.
In the simplest terms, this is the plug that the molds will be built from. The first thing you do is build a plug and run it and see how it performs. Then make any changes to the plug to improve performance if necessary. After the plug is in it's final state then the molds are created from the plug and the plug is then destroyed.
Havasu_Dreamin
01-16-2007, 07:57 AM
Hey Throttle-- both are plugs, Cobra is building a pure wood plug which I am assuming they will make a mold out of. Howard is building a "testing" plug, fiberglass, so Mike can put some motors in it and go run it. During the 2-6 month testing phase, Mike will probably rig and derig the boat a few times, flip it over, do some more work, then test it again. Once this process is complete and he is 110% satisfied with it, they will make a mold off of it. Sure, he is using part of other molds that he can use to create his desired look, then bondo, sand and smooth, and repeat a million times, same thing Cobra will do--just bondo and wood to completely straighten it, not part wood and part glass like Howard.
Both of these boats will be sweet--two different ways to acheive a new model and an original boat.
Roln 20s
Patrick, as always, way more eloquent than I. :D
Forgive me if I'm wrong Throttle but it sounds like your hating a little on Howard. From what I have learned, Mike stretched the 28 that he designed from the bottom up. Why start from scratch when you have something thats clearly a winner? Especially when it was built by him in the first place. :rolleyes:
At least someone here gets it.....
BADAXE
01-16-2007, 09:18 AM
I know and understand that they are working towards the plug through this process. It seems like they are doing a cut and paste kinda job... I am looking forward to seeing it when its done...
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
Wow! I'm glad you like Cobra boats, they seem to be trying real hard. Maybe some day they will get the kind of accolades Howard has been getting for all these years.
So, are you telling us that it is better to start a new boat from scratch with an unproven design? And that starting a new boat by modifying an existing design that is a multi time V bottom boat of the year, the fastest for it's size and power and is renowned as one of the best handling V bottoms ever is some how not as good as Cobra. Think about it, youre not making sense.
bubbletop409
01-16-2007, 09:58 AM
[QUOTE=BADAXE;2341037]Wow! I'm glad you like Cobra boats, they seem to be trying real hard. Maybe some day they will get the kind of accolades Howard has been getting for all these years.
Back in 77 I bought a Howard 21 DC bare hull from Howard Brown at that little old shop he once ran down in Bellflower. Did a 454/Turbo400/Casale V-drive installation, then took the boat to Lee Wells in Clovis for the interior/upholstery build up. When I picked the boat up, Lee told me that this was one of the squarest boats he had ever worked on. By that he meant there was virtually no difference in the dimensions from one side of the hull to the other, while other brands he had worked on sometimes varied greatly, and made his job much more difficult. He would have to vary the frame patterns to fit the different dimensions. That was a great boat that I ran for 25 years, sold it to a local forum member, and last time I saw it, it was still going strong. Since the business was taken over by Gene and family the boats have only gotten bigger and better, I would buy another in a flash next time I am in the market.
Havasu_Dreamin
02-22-2007, 06:14 PM
A few more pics. Progress slowed as a result of the LA show but it is progressing.....
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02861.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02863.jpg
shockwaveharry
02-22-2007, 07:03 PM
Is that the outline of a windshield frame I see there?
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02863.jpg
Havasu_Dreamin
02-22-2007, 07:09 PM
I'm not sure if Mike is sure yet whether it will be a windshield as in acrylic or molded fiberglass like the current bullets.....
Is that the outline of a windshield frame I see there?
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02863.jpg
buzzaro
02-22-2007, 07:16 PM
Wow! I'm glad you like Cobra boats, they seem to be trying real hard. Maybe some day they will get the kind of accolades Howard has been getting for all these years.
So, are you telling us that it is better to start a new boat from scratch with an unproven design? And that starting a new boat by modifying an existing design that is a multi time V bottom boat of the year, the fastest for it's size and power and is renowned as one of the best handling V bottoms ever is some how not as good as Cobra. Think about it, youre not making sense.
So youre saying Ferrari should have stuck with the cars they built in the 60's, they won races then so they must still be the best right?
I know and understand that they are working towards the plug through this process. It seems like they are doing a cut and paste kinda job... I am looking forward to seeing it when its done...
see my pics of Cobra's 32, it is being done from scratch, the "old fashioned way" not like Liqiud Courage writes earlier
No doubt about it. There are a bunch of different ways to do the same thing. But I will say this: Howard has taken the looks and design's from their previous boats, and integreted them into every one of their new boats with HUGE success. The 25 Bullet, 28 Bullet, 28 Sportdeck. IMO, I would definately refer to this 35 as a plug, in fact, it's a "running plug". It will be tested on the water and fine tuned before the original mold is taken from it. It looks good, and I am sure it will be fast and handle great. This is Mike's 4th one, and I really admire his talent. ,,,,,,,,, I think it is further along than the pics show. Maybe there are some newer pics?
BADAXE
02-23-2007, 07:54 AM
So youre saying Ferrari should have stuck with the cars they built in the 60's, they won races then so they must still be the best right?
If they were still better than anything else on the road today, then yes.
And, we're not talking about Howard making a new boat out of some old out of date design. They're making it out of the best V-bottom design CURRENTLY!
Sorry but your not making sence either. I'm glad you like your boat but i can tell from the picture that you should not be bashing Howard.
Havasu_Dreamin
02-23-2007, 07:54 AM
IMO, I would definately refer to this 35 as a plug, in fact, it's a "running plug". It will be tested on the water and fine tuned before the original mold is taken from it.
Absolutely. This is a running plug that will be fine tuned based on performance on the water before the real molds are even made. Last time I checked Mike has tooled a few boats before that have been proven time and again to perform. This hull will be no different.....
I think it is further along than the pics show. Maybe there are some newer pics?
Those pics I posted were taken yesterday at Howards shop.....
Those pics I posted were taken yesterday at Howards shop.....[/QUOTE]
Damnet Mike, Get moving, Summer is coming!:D Sorry, I have not seen it for a while and thought it about ready to run:eek:
Havasu_Dreamin
02-23-2007, 09:26 AM
Damnet Mike, Get moving, Summer is coming!:D Sorry, I have not seen it for a while and thought it about ready to run:eek:
No worries.....We both know that Mike will take his time to ensure that the boat performs as he wants it to.....I bet it sees the water sometime soon.....
92562
02-23-2007, 10:08 AM
I'm not sure if Mike is sure yet whether it will be a windshield as in acrylic or molded fiberglass like the current bullets.....
Gene tells me that the 35 will have a widshield using the same lines as the "faux" widshield on the 25 & 28. It'll need it to keep the salt spray to a minimum at 100+!:D
Havasu_Dreamin
03-24-2007, 01:11 PM
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02932.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02931.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02930.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02929.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/seernstlvhb/DSC02928.jpg
spectras only
03-24-2007, 02:12 PM
looks like the "X" dimension is a tad higher than standard ;)
captainblye
06-26-2007, 06:31 PM
Any new photos of the 35 howard?
Havasu_Dreamin
06-26-2007, 06:43 PM
Any new photos of the 35 howard?
Might swing by on Friday.....If so, we'll get pics.....
captainblye
06-29-2007, 10:46 PM
Did you stop by Howard on Friday?
Havasu_Dreamin
06-30-2007, 09:08 AM
Did you stop by Howard on Friday?
No, work prevented me from getting out there.....Damn software upgrades.....
captainblye
12-01-2007, 03:17 PM
Any new photo's?
Redrider
12-05-2007, 09:38 PM
Okay, someone has got to have something new on this thing???
Pics anyone???
Havasu_Dreamin
12-06-2007, 09:00 AM
Last time out there the tooling was coming along very nicely. Mike and the guys are working hard on it. Last time I was out there they were hoping to have the plug finished and the molds done I believe by mid-December...Hope to get out there soon and check it out some more...
Redrider
12-06-2007, 09:28 PM
Talked to Mike today, guess it going good, though still a lot of work...
Hope to also get up there in the next week or so. Need to start making my mind up on what to buy! New Bullet or Sportdeck... Most likely a Sportdeck.
captainblye
07-02-2008, 06:42 PM
I heard that the plug ran over 95 mph with (2) 525 efi's and that the finished product should run over 100 mph with (2) 525 efi's. That speed is in the relm of the Fountain 35 ICBM.
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