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SHAKEN Not Stirred
09-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Short End - Tall people earn more because they're smarter.
By Joel Waldfogel
Posted Friday, Sept. 1, 2006, at 1:36 PM ET
In the late 1970s, Randy Newman scored a hit with a song containing the lyric, "Short people got no reason to live." The line was supposed to be satire, but outraged diminutive listeners didn't see it that way. Boy, are they going to be mad at a couple of economists now.
It is well-documented that short people earn less money than tall people do. To be clear, pay does not vary lock step by height. If your friend is taller than you are, then it's nearly a coin toss whether she earns more. But if you compare two large groups of people who are similar in every respect but height, the average pay for the taller group will be higher. Each additional inch of height adds roughly 2 percent to average annual earnings, for both men and women. So, if the average heights of our hypothetical groups were 6 feet and 5 feet 7 inches, the average pay difference between them would be 10 percent.
But why? One possibility is height discrimination in favor of the tall. A second involves adolescence. A few years ago, Nicola Persico and Andrew Postlewaite of the University of Pennsylvania and Dan Silverman of the University of Michigan discovered that adult earnings are more sharply related to height at age 16 than to adult height—suggesting, scarily, that the high-school social order determined the adult economic order. For boys at least, height at 16 affects things like social and athletic success—scoring chicks and baskets or, as the authors put it, "participation in clubs and athletics." And maybe those things affect later earning power.
That wasn't likely to make short people feel good, but the latest explanation is worse. In a new study, Anne Case and Christina Paxson, both of Princeton University, find that tall people earn more, on average, because they're smarter, on average. Yikes.
Before you blast Case and Paxson with angry e-mails, let's look at their method. With detailed data from the United Kingdom, they followed two groups of kids, one born in 1958 and the other in 1970, through to adulthood. Every few years, the government collected information about height, weight, intelligence, educational experience, and, during adulthood, pay. Based on these data, Case and Paxton document once again that taller people earn more. Then they note that from an early age, height is related to intelligence. Even at age 5, a variety of intelligence measures—based on conceptual maturity, visual-motor coordination, and vocabulary—are higher on average for taller kids.
This sets up the study's major finding. While height, on its own, bears a strong relation to pay, when adult height is included along with measures of childhood intelligence in pay analyses, it no longer does the explanatory work on its own. Height appears to matter, when intelligence is not included, because taller people are, on average, smarter.
So, why did height at age 16 bear a stronger relationship than adult height to adult earnings in the earlier study by Persico, Postlewaite, and Silverman? Case and Paxson point out that kids who are tall at age 16 are those who have experienced their adolescent growth spurts at a relatively early age. And they point out that these kids turn out to be the well-fed and nurtured kids of parents who are on average smarter and richer than the rest, and who also pass on extra IQ points. The 16-year-old taller kids end up earning more for reasons apart from their height.
If taller people are, on average, smarter, then we should see taller people working disproportionately in occupations that require intelligence. Sure enough, in an analysis of U.S. data from the National Health Interview Survey, Case and Paxson find that taller people are more prevalent in occupations such as executive/manager, professional, and sales relative to occupations like laborer, farmer, or machine operator.
Higher intelligence resolves the puzzle of higher pay for the tall but begs the question of why height and intelligence are related in the first place. It is possible that early childhood care, including prenatal care, can increase both height and cognitive ability. But maybe the Fates just have it in for short people.
Joel Waldfogel is the Ehrenkranz family professor of business and public policy at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.
Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2148759/
Copyright 2006 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC

OGShocker
09-08-2006, 08:49 AM
Well, this explains Havasu Hangin's low totem pole position. :p

Mrs. Bordsmnj
09-08-2006, 08:51 AM
Woo-hooo!!!
<----- 5'10" and damm smart!!! :rollside:

AvengerBabe
09-08-2006, 08:55 AM
I knew I loved being 5'11" :)

Charley
09-08-2006, 09:08 AM
I gotta say...NO :D
I can't tell you how many business owners who are Short. All my life through sports I had to try harder to compete and succeed vs bigger stronger guys... my trying harder almost always payed off. That childhood made me the tenacious son of a bitch I am today ;) I'm not in love with being short but I wouldn't roll the dice to be someone different either :D

Mrs. Bordsmnj
09-08-2006, 09:10 AM
I gotta say...NO :D
I can't tell you how many business owners who are Short. All my life through sports I had to try harder to compete and succeed vs bigger stronger guys... my trying harder almost always payed off. That childhood made me the tenacious son of a bitch I am today ;) I'm not in love with being short but I wouldn't roll the dice to be someone different either :D
Definately short man's complex. :D
just kidding. I have no idea how tall you are (or aren't) :boxed:

OutCole'd
09-08-2006, 09:19 AM
I gotta say...NO :D
I can't tell you how many business owners who are Short. All my life through sports I had to try harder to compete and succeed vs bigger stronger guys... my trying harder almost always payed off. That childhood made me the tenacious son of a bitch I am today ;) I'm not in love with being short but I wouldn't roll the dice to be someone different either :D
Well said my brother!
F the tall people! :mad: :)

DILLIGAF
09-08-2006, 09:23 AM
I am not short but not tall either. Maybe you can find the results of the study of life expectancy for tall people -vs- short people. Another one to look for is fat -vs- thin builds. That will give you a few things to do.

AzLakeLizard
09-08-2006, 09:27 AM
I knew I loved being 5'11" :)
Yep.... 5'11" here and a smart braincell or 2..lol :p

Risky Business
09-08-2006, 11:19 AM
Gibbons, Why do most asian people I know drive expensive Imports and you drive a Ford?

SHAKEN Not Stirred
09-08-2006, 11:25 AM
Gibbons, Why do most asian people I know drive expensive Imports and you drive a Ford?
Shut-Up!....
Short guy !!!!!
CJG
:p

Risky Business
09-08-2006, 11:37 AM
Shut-Up!....
Short guy !!!!!
CJG
:p
That's not what Cheryl told me............ :rollside: :rollside:

Havasu Hangin'
09-08-2006, 12:10 PM
Well, this explains Havasu Hangin's low totem pole position. :p
I may be small in height and brains, but I am big in Japan!

Jordy
09-08-2006, 12:14 PM
I am big in Japan!
That's because you do your own stunts. ;)

Havasu Hangin'
09-08-2006, 12:15 PM
That's because you do your own stunts. ;)
'cuz that's how I roll!
:D

lilrick
09-08-2006, 12:19 PM
I've never met a dumb asian!

SoCalSouthpaw
09-08-2006, 01:10 PM
Im surprised someone hasnt made a comment about HolyMoly yet. Wait a minute - he's got everyone running scared. :)

Froggystyle
09-08-2006, 01:27 PM
I gotta say...NO :D
I can't tell you how many business owners who are Short. All my life through sports I had to try harder to compete and succeed vs bigger stronger guys... my trying harder almost always payed off. That childhood made me the tenacious son of a bitch I am today ;) I'm not in love with being short but I wouldn't roll the dice to be someone different either :D
As successful as your business career has been, imagine how much further you would be at 6'2"... You could be in charge of highly motivated, tenacious son of a bitches... ;)
Froggy"was4'10"until10thgrade"style

RP2
09-08-2006, 01:35 PM
I gotta say...NO :D
I can't tell you how many business owners who are Short. All my life through sports I had to try harder to compete and succeed vs bigger stronger guys... my trying harder almost always payed off. That childhood made me the tenacious son of a bitch I am today ;) I'm not in love with being short but I wouldn't roll the dice to be someone different either :D
I'm 6'1", so I guess not short and can't really empathize... but that was a great post on life Charley. :wink:

DILLIGAF
09-08-2006, 01:41 PM
As successful as your business career has been, imagine how much further you would be at 6'2"... You could be in charge of highly motivated, tenacious son of a bitches... ;)
Now that's funny....lol

No Name
09-08-2006, 01:42 PM
Im surprised someone hasnt made a comment about HolyMoly yet. Wait a minute - he's got everyone running scared. :)
:D :D

ChumpChange
09-08-2006, 02:19 PM
Gibbons, Why do most asian people I know drive expensive Imports and you drive a Ford?
Risky: Is your boat down here in La Verne? I think I have seen your boat or one just like it around here.

HM
09-08-2006, 02:45 PM
Im surprised someone hasnt made a comment about HolyMoly yet. Wait a minute - he's got everyone running scared. :)
I am not arguing with the findings....I am a stupid lil midget. I just hire smart people. :D

SHAKEN Not Stirred
09-08-2006, 03:08 PM
Risky: Is your boat down here in La Verne? I think I have seen your boat or one just like it around here.
Naaaaaaaa.....
He keeps it at Havasu.....
CJG
:)
6'2" BTW....... :idea:

Moneypitt
09-08-2006, 03:19 PM
I am not short but not tall either. Maybe you can find the results of the study of life expectancy for tall people -vs- short people. Another one to look for is fat -vs- thin builds. That will give you a few things to do.
Yes, there was a study done about the life expectancy of short vs tall people. After much scientific data was recorded, studied, and analized, it was discovered that short people do not live any longer than tall people. It turns out that short people are so obnoxious, it just seems like they live longer!!!!!!....MP

Havasu Hangin'
09-08-2006, 03:20 PM
It turns out that short people are so obnoxious, it just seems like they live longer!!!!!!....MP
:D :D :D

DILLIGAF
09-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Yes, there was a study done about the life expectancy of short vs tall people. After much scientific data was recorded, studied, and analized, it was discovered that short people do not live any longer than tall people. It turns out that short people are so obnoxious, it just seems like they live longer!!!!!!....MP
LOL

AirtimeLavey
09-08-2006, 05:07 PM
6'3 if I stand up straight. :rollside: Tall people spend less time trying to compensate.... :crossx: Can't frickin use the mirrors in most restrooms, as they're usually mounted too low!

Devil's Advocate
09-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Sorry, I still say good things come in small packages... :crossx:
standing at a woping 5'1" and change... :D

3 daytona`s
09-08-2006, 10:08 PM
I know taking a turn here but, the thing I remember about him and his video is I Love L.A the song was great but way back then the early days of Video was amazing.The whole world wanted to be with a California Girl, a very fun era.The whole world still wants to be with a California Girl :) :) :) :)

ratso
09-09-2006, 06:40 AM
Sorry, I still say good things come in small packages... :crossx:
standing at a woping 5'1" and change... :D
:idea: There are always exceptions :idea:

Devil's Advocate
09-09-2006, 08:56 AM
:idea: There are always exceptions :idea:
:D
And I should say that not ALL good things should be in a small package.. :crossx: :rollside:

Risky Business
09-11-2006, 07:46 PM
Risky: Is your boat down here in La Verne? I think I have seen your boat or one just like it around here.
It stays in Havasu. There are a few others with similar gel. Haven't seen one in La Verne though???

mbrown2
09-11-2006, 07:54 PM
Short, Dumb, Uneducated and Broke......only way to go is up from here!:)

CornWater
09-11-2006, 08:27 PM
Short, Dumb, Uneducated and Broke......only way to go is up from here!:)
Sounds like me.... except for the short part.
:)

beach gomer
09-12-2006, 11:02 AM
Short people always look younger than tall people.