A view from the shop....

[Xerophobic]

Figured you guys may like to have a look at some stuff going thru the shop right now. We always have cool stuff out there but there seems to be more racey stuff than usual.
I can try to answer any questions you may have.
it all starts with a bare hull
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0742r.JPG
then gets painted how you like, basic black??
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0744r.JPG
maybe yellow???
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0740r.JPG
how about a full interior boat with some subtle graphics and a 720 HP 572?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0733r.JPG
Or forget the paint lets go racing!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0746r.JPG
no? ok best of both worlds and add some "ground effects"
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0747r.JPG
Cheers

[FuelInMyVeins82]

hey cool pics. whats the roll cage atatch to in the boat?

[Xerophobic]

Bolted thru the hull with inner and outer backing plates or to some 1/4" aluminum plates welded into the hull. Debatable which is better. Some guys don't like having extra holes thru the hull which "can" leak. Usually on race boats there are so many holes already Im not sure it would matter. Boats often have a steel keel protector bolted on with a good number of bolts and or some plastic(UHMW). Ill be doing my cage shortly and can take some detailed pics of the install. It can be your life you're dealing with, they are there for good reason!
Cheers

[Aluminum Squirt]

I'm not sure how Eagle is mounting them at the factory, but mine is bolted through the hull with a steel plate backing it up on the water side of the hull. Obviously there is a steel plate on the cage side where the cage meets the floor so it creates a steel plate sandwich of aluminum hull. I used round head bolts on the bottom so as to disturb the water flow as little as possible and some silicon to keep it from leaking. All of the through bolts are not on the main running surface so none of it matters at WOT and its real strong. Not sure what the requirements are for mounting in the rules but I know the cage has to be chrome-moly steel and not aluminum-Aluminum Squirt

[Xerophobic]

Hey Squirt Ive heard some grumblings around that the roll bar rules may get changed this year to allow aluminum bars again. Why Im not sure I thought it had been shown that aluminum bars aren't the best under major impacts. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do that but someone must be asking. I will need the lightest boat possible to run competitive but losing weight in my rollbar is not even a consideration.
For the curious the bars currently must be 1.5", 0.065" wall chromoloy or 1.625", 0.125" mild steel. My boat initially had the standard aluminum cage which was i believe 2", 0.125" aluminum(altho I don't believe the alum cages ever had any specs associated with them??)
Cheers

[Aluminum Squirt]

Aluminum cages don't make sense to me, but I'm not an engineer. I guess if it was properly designed it could protect you but I'd rather go with a steel cage for simplicity. I think by the time you got a comparably strong aluminum cage it would weigh nearly as much as a steel cage. I didn't think anybody would ever consider going back now that we all went through the work of putting steel cages in. At my speeds I hardly need a cage but many guys, even in SBFX are runnig fast enough to justify them, especially when you go to some of those nasty Canadian rivers and Idaho. Besides, if everybody is that concerned with weight, make your navigator start drinking light beer :boxed: -Aluminum Squirt

[bp]

nice. are those boats all the same length, and what are the lengths? is there any space in the bow?

[IMPATIENT 1]

cool boats, be cool to see one completely polished out like chrome!what's the canards up front used for? i've never seen one on the water or a video of them runnin.

[superdave013]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0747r.JPG
that just looks mean as hell! I'd love to go for a spin.

[Xerophobic]

Glad you guys like em. Seems like alloy boats are scarce where its warm year round, someone needs to try one of these, you may shock your buddies!
I don't think an open bow tunnel has been done yet unless Gator has done that. They take our hulls and do some awesome pleasure rigging to them.
I know we've done some Sport hulls in open bow and have seen a few go thru the shop here recently. Here are a few pics of one of the nicer ones. Check out that motor!
Looking mean as heck
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF.JPG
fast, practical but still hot
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF2.JPG
Get it Vette!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF3.JPG
The tunnels in race trim are a serious rush. Dale pulled 103 mph with his 'backup' pump gas motor testing out the new wings last week. They give the boat about 100 lbs of lift on the bow which means you can use less radical pump trim to acheive the same ride, and of course dump that lift if the boat gets loose etc
Cheers

[IMPATIENT 1]

you got an awesome job! be cool as hell workin on stuff like that all he time!thanks for explaining the canards to me, makes alot of sense.

[QuickJet]

cool boats, be cool to see one completely polished out like chrome!.
I was just going to post the same thing. Deffinatly would have the bling factor.

[Xerophobic]

Haha funny you say that, its been done!
We offer polished sides on some models but one customer polished the whole hull. You wanna talk bling wait till you see this.....(lookin for pics)
Ok here we go...
a 15' Outlaw with optional polished sides. This boat is in our yard for sale and I couldn't find the pics at first, grrrr
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722polished15.JPG
Here's Mark Nye's monster. Alot of you have seen this Im sure. Its an Eagle 21 sport, with the step tech bottom, stretched out to 23 feet to make room for the gas turbine, haha that sounds so cool to say!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2.JPG
May not look like much bling factor but wow, 1400 HP and 300 lbs :O
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2a.JPG
The helmets 'make' the whole deal
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2b.JPG
From what I recall Mark said that polishing was ALOT of work
Cheers

[MikeF]

Would like to have one of those! :D Perhaps someday..... :cool:
Nice place to work! :cool:

[HammerDown]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0747r.JPG
that just looks mean as hell! I'd love to go for a spin.
Be a bummer if one of those wings caught a roller lets say in a turn :220v:

[Xerophobic]

Wings are generally up pretty high and dry. If you're stuffin the nose that hard you got issues anyway! lol
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221s.JPG

[Kev-o]

The black tunnel in the pic with the canard wings has reached 117MPH on the first race with the new motor, All the boats pictured are 21' except the little 15' sport with the polished sides. As far as polishing aluminum, 396 ways to spit has it down!
Later!
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com

[Xerophobic]

Kevin get back to work!
hah oh yea you have the day off
never mind :P

[Dan Lorenze]

Nice boats!

[flat broke]

When I was swapping emails around a year and a half ago to Gator and Outlaw Eagle, no one seemed interested in doing an open bow tunnel. I got a lot of diversion over towards the sport/steptech bottom'd 21. The only problem I could really see with the tunnel version as an open bow is it being kinda shallow up front. Buuut it could still be bad ass. One of these days, someone will do one down here in lakeboat trim, run a markedly bigger number than a comparable glass boat, and it will be on like donkey kong for you guys.
On an unrelated note, what does the 7.0 sport hull run speed wise? It looks like you guys are using a ski boat type muffler on it, any measurable loss of HP by doing that?
BTW, you've got a PM,
Chris
Glad you guys like em. Seems like alloy boats are scarce where its warm year round, someone needs to try one of these, you may shock your buddies!
I don't think an open bow tunnel has been done yet unless Gator has done that. They take our hulls and do some awesome pleasure rigging to them.
I know we've done some Sport hulls in open bow and have seen a few go thru the shop here recently. Here are a few pics of one of the nicer ones. Check out that motor!
Looking mean as heck
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF.JPG
fast, practical but still hot
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF2.JPG
Get it Vette!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF3.JPG
The tunnels in race trim are a serious rush. Dale pulled 103 mph with his 'backup' pump gas motor testing out the new wings last week. They give the boat about 100 lbs of lift on the bow which means you can use less radical pump trim to acheive the same ride, and of course dump that lift if the boat gets loose etc
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

You really want to be a bit more of a hardcore boat guy to run the tunnel in the first place. Its a very fast boat, likely one of the fastest around that can handle way more chop than anything else really. Buuuut it can be a handful when run with the bow down, ask me how I know this! (see pic from the Muskegon river last Nov, your's truely's boat)
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/landing_154.jpg
They will hook on you if you're not careful so to be honest Im not sure how one would handle with extra weight in the nose unless you had some seriously massive power to carry it.
I would love to see what you're saying about a southern guy takin the plunge, steppin up and you're right it will happen. The 21 tunnel will take wicked hits, not be forced onshore when a chop kicks up and weighs 550-650 lbs. Thats a no BS number including the intake(its part of the hull). Thats also including a keel that can hit ROCKS at speed and live. These are serious hulls for sure.
Cheers

[bp]

The black tunnel in the pic with the canard wings has reached 117MPH on the first race with the new motor, All the boats pictured are 21' except the little 15' sport with the polished sides. As far as polishing aluminum, 396 ways to spit has it down!
Later!
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com
thanks for answering my question. i'd like to see some pics of the inside of one, just for grins.

[Kev-o]

We will post some interoir shots of a race tunnel and a pleasure tunnel. As far as some kick ass lake trim alloys it is going to happen and i can see a few guy's dragging them to havasu or the likes to show what we bring to the table
these boats are nice and light and very strong. The dark grey 21' sport i have not yet heard top speed from the owner YET! 505 solid reliable responsive (sp) HP as far as the mufler we have ran them on the dyno and we saw very little change in power (lots of people here do not believe that loud pipes save lives)
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com

[poncho-pwr]

How fast is that turbine powered boat?

[dirtman]

A video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMlw9bcvsFI

[dirtman]

James, you finally made it west?
If so, I'll probably see you next monday, gotta pick up some parts.
5H Outlaw

[FuelInMyVeins82]

You really want to be a bit more of a hardcore boat guy to run the tunnel in the first place. Its a very fast boat, likely one of the fastest around that can handle way more chop than anything else really. Buuuut it can be a handful when run with the bow down, ask me how I know this! (see pic from the Muskegon river last Nov, your's truely's boat)
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/landing_154.jpg
They will hook on you if you're not careful so to be honest Im not sure how one would handle with extra weight in the nose unless you had some seriously massive power to carry it.
I would love to see what you're saying about a southern guy takin the plunge, steppin up and you're right it will happen. The 21 tunnel will take wicked hits, not be forced onshore when a chop kicks up and weighs 550-650 lbs. Thats a no BS number including the intake(its part of the hull). Thats also including a keel that can hit ROCKS at speed and live. These are serious hulls for sure.
Cheers
so how do you fix that? do you just pull out the old dent puller, and hammer or what?

[DaveA]

.
Absolutely awesome video!
.

[Xerophobic]

No dent puller required there guys. We have me spinnin out from 2 angles on video and believe it or not it wasn't that violent at all. The bow just rode up shore too fast and the weight of the engine and rear tanks just was too much for the ensuing wave and the boat swamped. That pic was taken a while later after the boat had slid further down the bank into the water. The hull sustained no damage at all (what does this tell you about alloy boats?)
It did get scratched to heck over the next 8 hrs as we dragged the boat across the river(underwater) to the other bank which was far less steep and allowed us to winch the boat onto shore.
All in all a fun day of adventure boating haha Seriously bonded with some great guys and you just write that off as "one of those days" hehe (inside joke) If not for that day I wouldn't have likely been invited to navigate on the Salmon river last year so it was the beginning of great things.
Here's some footage from that race. Im navigating boat 22, a 16 foot Eagle sport which was the 'other boat' on that fateful day in Michigan. Words to the wise, do NOT try to chase a 16 sport up a narrow twisty river when you're in a 21 tunnel haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSEJWd8IFA
Cheers

[Aluminum Squirt]

Hey Xero, I think you should set up a 21' tunnel for the flat California water and give it to me. Something in the 110MPHrange should be fine. I'll take it down to Havasu a couple of times a year, put some of the fiberglass boats on the trailer with it, and sell a truck load of your boats for you. Look at it as an investment in advertising. I'm in Sacramento so I'm much closer to you than the SoCal boys and I can even run some white water races in NorCal and Southern Oregon. Maybe a partial interior so it looks nice in the channel but its easy to remove for the white water races. Call me when its ready, I'll give you my address so you can have it dropped off here :boxed: -Aluminum Squirt

[superdave013]

Wings are generally up pretty high and dry. If you're stuffin the nose that hard you got issues anyway! lol
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221s.JPG
Yeah, issues like going for the win. It's a different type of racing down here. If you want to run with the prop boats you would need to be able to get around the single pins tight. Those wings would be a problem I'd think. That said I'd still love to go for a spin!
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/LBC%20pics%20017.jpg
But they do air out nice down the straights. :D
Dave R bringing home the win in the Godfather Rudy Raymo's GN9 boat. RIP Rudy!
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/LBC%20pics.jpg
You should bring one of your boats down to the Parker 300. It would be killer to see a beer can boat running! What better place could there be to introduce your hardware in this area then a 300 mile boat race?

[BrendellaJet]

So what is this boat capable of with 800hp?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/3722GlenF.JPG

[Xerophobic]

That boat with the Vette motor is aparently seeing numbers between 75-80.
To say what it would do with 800 HP is a bit tough till you try> I can tell you that in the summer a 19 sport was built stretched out to 21 feet(retaining the width of the 19) and had a 720 HP 572 installed. With a full interior and race nozzle that boat saw 94 mph on GPS. The 572 from that boat is the same 572 currently in the grey tunnel posted earlier in this thread. The white sport pictured now has a 6l and is still for sale in our inventory.
Its a very very nicely equiped boat with full interior, stereo, heater etc
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSport.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSportr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSport572.JPG
Cheers

[Fire Water]

As far as I know I think I'm the only beer can boat in South Carolina. Boats laid up right now due to a broken valve. Gonna do something about that over the winter. I was hoping to go to the poker run on lake James up in North Carolina this weekend.
My normal hangout is on the Edisto River. It's supposed to be the longest freeflowing blackwater river in the world. I've run around 40 miles and I think that there is another 150 to 200 I havn't seen. Sand bottom in the shallow spots. Lots of logs. Very beautiful in it's own way..
I've got the same hull as aluminum squirt. Not as fast as the longer boats, but I think it actaully works better in my river because it's so twisted. We've also got several other rivers around that are very simaler to the Edisto.
So far the biggest excitement has come from the local wildlife. Had a snake drop out of a tree and into the boat. Thankfully it wasn't a moccisan. We do have some pretty big Gators in the river as well.
Hope to eventually put in a video system of some type so I can post our redneck river running on the web.
I

[48OFF]

Can you explain why it seems that to be competitive in sprint raceing you have to have a Scott-jet drive, but no one uses them for any other type of jetboating? Nice looking boats.

[bottom feeder]

48 off
Sprint boat racing has alot to do with recovery time on the pump if you get into trouble. The Axil flow pumps reload much quicker. Sprint boat racing is about boat control and acceleration. The Scott and early on the hamiltons move alot of water. Tons of go to about 80. a vary fast Scott will push you into the 90s best case. Well short of the big number for a mixed flow. They will however out run a mixed flow to the 80-90 mark.
Xerophobic
Congrats on the move. IF you can talk the boss man into running a tunnel boat at parker, their may just be a jet in front at the end. Eagels would be a natural with their ruff water performance.

[Kev-o]

Please tell us more about the parker 300, Classes, Rules & Reg's? What kind of speeds would that boat in the picture thats carving hard be a tightest point in the turn? And of course there will be plenty of after race entertainment? RIGHT?????
It's great to see some interest in our boats, while they might not be for everyone im sure if we could get a couple different models out there we might change some minds.
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com

[flat broke]

Kev-o,
You have a PM.
Chris

[Kev-o]

Thanks for the info.

[superdave013]

Please tell us more about the parker 300, Classes, Rules & Reg's? What kind of speeds would that boat in the picture thats carving hard be a tightest point in the turn? And of course there will be plenty of after race entertainment? RIGHT?????
It's great to see some interest in our boats, while they might not be for everyone im sure if we could get a couple different models out there we might change some minds.
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com
I'm sure Flat Broke fixed you up with all the 300 info. I could see you guys doing very will in Div #2 and being a contender for the overall win.
If you look at that pic close you will see there is 2 boats side by side. Both are 20' Rayson crafts. The outside boat is a 1959 all wood boat. It's also last year's class winner and overall winner of the 300. They really slowed the Grand National boats down over the last few years but they run over 100 in the straights and of course go as deep into the turns as they can.
Last years Parker 300 had a tight single pin turn up river and a big sweeper 3 pin turn down river. The straight's are a few miles long and before mid race the water (and wind) really were kicked up.

[JAY4SPEED]

If anyone could explain to me. What are the main differences between a 21' Gatorjet tunnel and the Eagle 21' tunnel? I'm very intrigued with the aluminum jetboats and I'm trying to learn more about them. There seems to be limited info on the net on both websites. Thanks!
Jay

[Xerophobic]

Hey Jay thanks for showing some interest.
We are aware of our website shortcomings and its my personal project to rectify that over the next while. Its not a fast process but I assure you the changes will be dramatic, bear with us.
Gator is a dealer for our hulls but they do their own rigging and even have a few specific models we don't tend to sell up here.
When you see any references to 'wide' tunnels it referes to a wider version that was built with wider air tunnels and in turn a wider overall boat. This gives more room inside as well as more ability to lift with less power assuming the weight is kept down/the same. Gator has certainly been a leader in custom rigging and paint and have built some very nice boats using our hulls. previously shorter tunnels ahve been built(even some longer) but at this time the 21 is the only one avail.
I navigated with Dale in the 399 boat shown in the Peace River circuit race in July. At that time the tunnel was pulling numbers over 110 mph in river conditions. we did see 117 on the Sunday. Regretfuly just before the circuit race we added 2 degree's of wedge and thought the boat was stable, atho admittedly on the edge. With addittional wind/chop the boat was too loose and we could not keep it in to acheive the 114 we'd seen in practice. We were over 100 easily and often upwards of 110. The next day was when the boat saw 117. I believe this hull would be a very serious contender in the races described to us and remeber these speeds were seen with full rock grate and steel skid plates and TWO PEOPLE in the boat lol A modified setup could be quite interesting in deep water and would handle the chop as well as most other hulls. The circuit race in PR was over 8 miles long and was 6 laps. Running 300 in that format would likely be a non issue for the hull/motor setup. These boats are marathon boats by nature and world events are even longer than 300 miles.
I'd love to see it myself but unfortunatly that race coincides with the World jetboat marathon in Mexico and our assets will be there. If not I would love to come and show what an alloy boat can do!
Cheers and thanks to all for the interest and questions, keep them coming

[The Real Deal]

Xero, what is your position at Outlaw Eagle?

[MAXIMUS]

I don't think those squirt boats would stand a chance at the 300... :rolleyes: Best to go to Mexico... :)

[MikeF]

Best to go to Mexico... :)
I guess you see it as a THREAT! :crossx: ;)

[Xerophobic]

RD, we're still sorta working that out here to be honest. I have a background in engineering, CNC, CAD, metal fabrication and happen to be a alum boat freak who got bitten pretty hard by this bug. I haven't been in this sport very long but wow once you expereince the shallows, rock bashing, log jumping and back country river exploring its hard not to get hooked. There just really isn't any good way to describe it to someone, its sorta like 4x4ing on water I guess.
I also have a passion for extreme video and media thus my involvement in revamping the web site etc
At the moment Im being utilized more in the marketing/Sales/Promotion end of things but also have a date at the fab shop tomorrow getting up to speed on our plasma table and CNC/CAD situation so I will also be involved with production to a degree. Puttin together a race boat for next year and as such won't be tough to get involved in R&D too.
Yea I got a great job!
This race sounds more and more interesting. with the 22.6 length restriction is that just the hull or the full package?? I'd have to measure but with the setback pump our 21 tunnel may be longer than that with race nozzle.
How many boats tend to show up and are runnign at the same time?
In FX class, which is basically a ZZ4 crate motor class, our 19 steptech v bottoms often run 80ish mph and the 20 degree bottoms cut thru chop quite well. Put a much larger motor in one of them and......
Cheers
****If anyone is really curious about some tin boat marathon action get me an address and I will see if I can send out some DVD copies of the last Worlds held here in Canada, we have some extra copies kicking around. It shows some of the technology and gives some background to the sport. Its a very professional production and gives great insight into the difficulty of winning a World Jetboat Marathon.****

[JAY4SPEED]

Xero,
I was studying the Gator hull and the Eagle hull and couldn't tell much of a difference so thats why I had asked. I've been though the forums over at Eagle trying to absorb as much info as possible. Is there any websites that I can look at to research the hull design, features and options some more? I'm entertaining the thought of switching from my 'glass tunnel to the aluminum. I think the alloy hull would be better suited for the rivers and bayous around here. Also, Lake Pontchartrain here can get choppy at times and seems that the alloy hull would be able to take the abuse much better when the wind picks up out on the lake. Does Eagle have any type of catalog with more detail on options and such than the website? Thanks for taking the time to show us some new stuff!
Jay

[Xerophobic]

Glad to hear you've opened your mind to the idea of alloy Jay
one of the nice things about aluminum is when and if it does 'fail' you're rarely left stranded. By this I mean if you really hit a wave very wrong or even have a rock or log strike you "may" dent or bend the boat, but chances are you will still make it home. Repairs are comparitivly very very easy. even with damage that would write off a glass hull. This means hulls last a long time and retain a very high resale value. You may notice not many used aluminum hulls around for sale, thats why!
If you never run very shallow water where you can hit bottom here and there an alloy hull can last nearly indefinatly. Ill try to resurrect the "you dent, we fix" page on the web forum to show what can be repaired, you'll be impressed
Our 2007 pricing/specs has just been completed and will appear soon on the new web site. I dont think the tunnel will appear there as they tend to be race hulls. We can sell a fully rigged one but they are usually priced as a "custom boat" because no two are ever the same!
Do not hesitate to contact us directly to talk about your needs. You can ask for myself, our sales rep Terry or even Dale himself if you wish. Don't write off one of our Steptech boats either they are fast but handle rough water extremely well. They can really carve out the turns when need be.
And send me your mailing address ill get a DVD off to ya
Cheers
P.s. BP I haven't fogotten about your request to see a boat on the inside. Just hate HB's method of posting pics, it takes so long. I have some shots of the inside of mine I'll post tomorrow and also see whats happening over at the fab shop. I think I saw a 19 or 21 sport on a jig today

[MAXIMUS]

I guess you see it as a THREAT! :crossx: ;)
Naw... they aint go nuthin on the old 59 woodie... those are just toy boats! :D Best they stay in canada or mexico... :devil: I would hate to see them get schooled in a real race... :notam:

[Kev-o]

Not very friendly for a circus monkey. But really we are not trying to change the world, i know there are some bloody fast and violent glass boats out there
props or not who cares as long as they do what the buyers want. Just showing some of our boats to everyone and asking about some races. No need to be a turd about it!
Kev-o
www.outlaweagle.com

[Jungle Boy]

Naw... they aint go nuthin on the old 59 woodie... those are just toy boats! :D Best they stay in canada or mexico... :devil: I would hate to see them get schooled in a real race... :notam:
It's thoughts like this that make me shake my head. :rollside: You just keep adding oil to the ole 455 Olds and keep trying to get them 30 year old boat designs to go 80 mph. Don't hold down to long,,,,,cause remember, that makes the oil pressure gauge drop :cry: :cry:
Racing is Racing.

[Xerophobic]

I don't want this thread to turn into a pissing match about jet vs Vdrive or alum vs glass boats. My intention was to give some insight into what Im guessing alot of you guys have never seen before, in detail or otherwise. heck I own one of these boats and Im still amazed at what goes into them and what they can do!
I am curious Max as to what you feel are the shortcomings of one of our boats that make them unsuitable for the 300 enduro? Whitewater racing is a greuling way to punish equipment, hulls, motors and pumps. Its real racing by all definitions. Do you feel the endurance is not there or the speed or both???
Sorry I did not get any pics today at the shop but i will get some bare hull shots of a 21 sport that just came off the welding jig today. I belive the boat is bound for Gator. I think we have a bare 21 tunnel in inventory as well.
Cheers

[flat broke]

Kev, James, Dave,
I don't want to speak for Maxi, but I think he was just joking around trying to chide you guys into bringing a boat out to the 300. :) If you look in the Benchracers forum, you'll see some of his antics. Great guy, nothing but helpfull with regards to making last year's 300 go off, and actually owns a very stout 21 Daytona Jet in addition to his various V'drive endeavors. In short, he was just being a "funny guy".
Chris

[Kev-o]

Not trying to throw S*#?T into the fan just havun fun. I
have seen the antics and like the antics, makes people log in! :argue: Maybe i just need to know where to throw in the right smiley :D

[dmontzsta]

Maxi is a good guy, just dont turn your back on him. :)

[MikeF]

I would like to see that Aluminum jetboat go up against some well driven v-drives in the 300. :cool:
Problem is that the LeMans start would make it hard for the tin can boat to pass early with Grich taking up all the room on the course in every turn and every straight.;) I've seen his charges and they are impressive!
But a win w/an aluminum jetboat would be a real change in thinking about what it would take to compete in those marathon races! :crossx:
And yes.......Maxi's comments are just jabbs that are meant to rise interest in your racing at the 300 at sometime. He'd like nothing more than to go up against another boat just to prove that what he and the team is doing, is Done Well. :cool:

[Xerophobic]

Its too short notice or we'd be there. Does anyone have any video of past races?
Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way. I guess diff people encourage other people in different ways. We'd love to come down but its too soon and too close to the Worlds.
Lets hear more first hand stories and see more pics and/or video
Cheers

[flat broke]

Here (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94540&highlight=300+pics) are (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94849&highlight=300+pics) a couple (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94663&highlight=parker+300+pics) threads from last year's event.
Also, you can PM Jetboatguru (drove a jet for that race), Maximus (GN boat), Superdave (vdrive cruiser), NuckingFuts (jet), Badblown572 (outboard stoker tunnel), Squeezing Spectra (vdrive cruiser), or my brother Hack Job (jet) as they all drove or had hands in boats at last years deal. I'm sure there are other guys on the boards that participated as well, but those were the ones that were off the top of my head.
Chris

[MAXIMUS]

I beg all your pardons... I am an evil self promoting egotesticle v-drive guy who likes to bash!!!!!!!!!!!!! :devil: LOL ok ok it didn't work... any how I think those beer can boats are definitly unbelievable in performance! It would be great to see a lot of them come down & support our cause! I think you would stand a good chance at whoopin up on the rest of the field. Prehaps you could find away to come down next year & put on a show... Still the old woodie with the olds gets it done prop or no prop! :D I talked to Jack Mcclure about his trip up there to watch one of those races... he was stunned at what you guys were achieving with no ride plates & the usual hardware necessary to get the drag stuff to haul the mail...
The 300 is a pretty cool deal & should be considered by you amigos! :)

[The Real Deal]

there is some video of tin boats circle racing on the ocean in mexico at this site, check out video #4
http://www.nitaliateam.com/videos.php?incluye=riobalsas02.htm

[Jungle Boy]

OK, I'm sorry too,,, :) I'm just a little sensitive lately.
That 300 induro would be a very tough race in "any" boat if you ask me. Is there chiropractors and a massage team on hand to repair the racers at the end. I know that I could barely walk after the ocean leg in Mexico, as the Real Deal guy knows (it's real rough).

[Xerophobic]

No worries guys, they really need to invert better ways for joking around and sarcasm to be transmitted thru the net!
Tell ya what, well make serious effort to come down next year and kick your butts, I mean show our support for your cool race if you guys come up and run your stuff in the 2007 Worlds in Alberta :rollside: :rollside: :rollside:
Whaddaya say?
Cheers
(gonna take some more shop pics today so stay tuned for naked aluminum interior shots!)

[wsuwrhr]

SD DROVE in last years' enduro? My understanding is he BLEW UP in last years'
enduro.
SD, care to enlighten us in your experience DRIVING in last years' enduro?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Brian
Also, you can PM Jetboatguru (drove a jet for that race), Maximus (GN boat), Superdave (vdrive cruiser), NuckingFuts (jet), Badblown572 (outboard stoker tunnel), Squeezing Spectra (vdrive cruiser), or my brother Hack Job (jet) as they all drove or had hands in boats at last years deal. I'm sure there are other guys on the boards that participated as well, but those were the ones that were off the top of my head.
Chris

[wsuwrhr]

I still can't understand why alloy boats haven't caught on to the recreation boating market.
I think an alloy lake boat would be pretty cool.
Brian

[superdave013]

SD DROVE in last years' enduro? My understanding is he BLEW UP in last years'
enduro.
SD, care to enlighten us in your experience DRIVING in last years' enduro?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Brian
most of the big mouths were at least standing on the beach. But this big mouth didn't even show up. Now that I think of it I don't think I've ever seen him at any boat race of any kind. Not even to drink beer and watch. Humm...
Keep yapping Mr. Neverdriveninaboatracebefore. :D
Yes, team Short Bus did have a slight engine problem. I knew when oil hit the dash the day was done. With that said that was the most fun I've ever had in a boat EVER.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1503IMG_0559.jpg

[superdave013]

Its too short notice or we'd be there. Does anyone have any video of past races?
Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way. I guess diff people encourage other people in different ways. We'd love to come down but its too soon and too close to the Worlds.
Lets hear more first hand stories and see more pics and/or video
Cheers
This deal has roots back to the real enduro's from back in the day. Back then it was the Parker 9 hour and the Salton Sea 9 hours. And yes, they were a 9 freaking hour boat race. Now I did not live out here at that time but did always read about them in Powerboat, ***boat and Propeller.
They were a man's race and way f'n hard core. I don't care if you were an outboard guy, jet guy or v driver. Your hero's were all out there racing. Sorry I missed it as it was truly the golden era of boat racing.
Tunnel boats with 4 Merc towers of power, Rudy showing up with an airplane engine in his boat. Stuff like that that just does not happen any more. C'Mon!
Well Ron Hill wanted to bring it back. Ron started putting it together and some others got involved. Maxipad stepped up big time and his plumbing biz sponsered the event. Now they had some people and some cash. Things were happing!
Ron knew it would have to be different to pull it off. Lets face it, Parker has been built up with big buck homes so running the entire river prolly wouldn't happen. And with all the enviro nazis the days of fueling 100 gallons of fuel while the boat is on the water would prolly not fly either. And to top it off if someone got killed it would put a big damper on things too.
So they did what they felt they had to do to bring it back. Last year was the first year it returned. Course was shortened up to a 5 mile oval. Some with a gps said it was really a little shorter then that.
We had to pull our boats out of the water for fuel to keep the enviro's from flipping out. To keep it somewhat safer they did make a few rules. No lane changing in the turns was one. Their thinking is most multi boat crashes were in the turns and lets face it. In 300 miles the race won't be won in the turns anyway so let's try and keep it safe. Another was they did not want us to run closer then 20' off the side of another boat and not to change lanes untill 100' out front. We tried the best we could and pulled it off.
Had to do at least 2 pit stops for 10 mins each. That gave eveyone a chance to refuel with enough time so we were not racing the boats on the trailers too. Also each team had to have at least 2 drivers.
The biggest thing is each class left at their own time. Back in the day the flag dropped and EVERY boat took off together.
It was not perfect but I thought they did pretty well for a first time event.
I think this year will be a little different then last year. I would think that there will be a greater level of compittion. People that watched last year started putting teams together right away.

[wsuwrhr]

The best days in the world are when you get to blow shit up that isn't yours, right?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Brian
With that said that was the most fun I've ever had in a boat EVER.

[superdave013]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The best days in the world are when quotes get turned around quick and parts get done on time.

[wsuwrhr]

Well then get to work pal, my machines run "sans operator", and both are making chips as we "type".
10:17 got to go back to work.
Brian
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The best days in the world are when quotes get turned around quick and parts get done on time.

[superdave013]

yes, I am talking to you. Would you like me to post the details?

[obnoxious001]

This deal has roots back to the real enduro's from back in the day. Back then it was the Parker 9 hour and the Salton Sea 9 hours. And yes, they were a 9 freaking hour boat race. Now I did not live out here at that time but did always read about them in Powerboat, ***boat and Propeller.
Back in the day the flag dropped and EVERY boat took off together.
I grew up attending those races. My dad crewed for Lou Brummett. Find one of the old programs on the internet, it's amazing the purses they had, and the guys who raced. Astronauts, big name race car drivers, president's sons, etc, etc.
One of the cool things at Parker was the Lemans style start, drivers lined up by the chain link fence and had to run across the dirt road to their boats that were being held in the water. Mass start was very impressive!

[wsuwrhr]

yes, I am talking to you. Would you like me to post the details?
Interesting.....
I always give you shit, so I guess it is fitting.
It will be interesting to see what I messed up.
Brian

[Xerophobic]

Sorry we got a little off track bench racing guys, how about we go back to the shop????
We've had alot of interest in our 21 tunnel and its our fastest boat so lets have a closer look at its construction. The basic features of this hull are the same throughout our line but of course the 21 tunnel is built for lightweight and all out speed.
A good profile shot
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnr.JPG
Air tunnels and welded in intake, note setback pump
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked1r.JPG
Ever put your glass boat on the ground like this? haha
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked2r.JPG
Interior shot of bow, alot less in there than you thought I bet!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked3r.JPG
View from the pump, sorry about the residual water, its been raining like crazy lately
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked4r.JPG
Nice side panel detail
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked5r.JPG
Dash area, note "smooth" cowling (I'll touch on this later)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372221tunnelnaked6r.JPG
here is some of the detail work on our little 17 Sport, a great boat and alot of thought put into keeping it light but strong. This hull gets a 200/250 Optimax Sportjet package from Mercury and incidentally for those that have seen the vids this is our "beaver dam be damnedl" boat haha
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372217sport2r.JPG
A cage sitting in our 19 Sport, almost ready for FX class racing!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372219FXr.JPG
And the key to going fast and excellent handling in a Vbotton boat, our StepTech bottom
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Steptechr.JPG
Thats it for now guys, ***boat needs to make image posting easier, that takes so much time!
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

Sweet.
I don't know about setting any boat in the dirt/rocks.
I still wonder why noone uses these boats for recreation.
Brian

[BrendellaJet]

If someone wanted to provide their own intake modified with a shoe/rideplate setup would that be an issue?

[Xerophobic]

Brian its sometimes hard to get your head around it at first but sitting there on the lot is alot easier on the hull than scraping a gravel bar at 50-60-70+ mph and we do that all the time!
Its all relative and honestly its a great feeling after a while not having to worry about every little scratch.
Sometimes you drive over stuff just cause you can haha
Cheers

[GUGS102]

Do you guys offer these less power, pump, bare hull etc. Would be pretty slick to put one together.
Thanks,
Gugs

[Xerophobic]

Brendella,
the issue with what you're suggesting is durability. Our intakes are fabricated, not cast. I believe in the past that has been tried and does not prove to work very well. Certainly in rock strike situations you can imagine what happens to a cast intake vs a fabricated one. For that reason I cannot answer that question. If it became a make or break it part of the deal I am sure we could figure something out altho Im also quite certain Dale would strongly urge you not to go that route. A good bit of trial and error has gone into keeping the pumps fed at high speeds and short of ditching the rock grate you would likely be much further ahead using the fabricated intake.
If you look closely at how they are put together mounting a 'shoe' type assembly to them as they are would be no problem and in fact we do shim the rear mount points to tune what a shoe does. The rear portion of the rock grate is in fact the "ride plate"
You may be further ahead to let us show you what numbers we can acheive with the setups we've perfected and try the boat using our traditional setup. I think you will find you'd be hard pressed to run a cast intake setup and improve on it. One area where you most certainly can tune(and WILL see additional gains) is in using a loader. Obviously loaders are not options for us in the water we run but they would improve pump loading if you ditched the bars and stayed off the gravel.
Gugs ,most 21 tunnels are built to customer specs and often as race boats so yes our tunnel would be avail in various stages of completion and we are alot more flexible in the packages than with our other hulls, Call us for details
Ill try to post a few pics of the intake setup so you guys can better understand how the grate etc mounts on our hulls.
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

Oh I've got the concept down. Like driving a 4X4 down the river.
The only rivers I am able to boat on are deep enough that hopefully it never happens.
"Driving over stuff because you can"....in a boat. Just crazy. I have seen the alloy boats' websites. You guys are nuts.
You got to know I salivate with the billet pumps, bowls and impellers you guys are shaking down.
Too bad us down southers haven't embraced the alloy concept.
Brian
Brian its sometimes hard to get your head around it at first but sitting there on the lot is alot easier on the hull than scraping a gravel bar at 50-60-70+ mph and we do that all the time!
Its all relative and honestly its a great feeling after a while not having to worry about every little scratch.
Sometimes you drive over stuff just cause you can haha
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

I am guessing impellers are stainless only and have a relatively short lifespan of a few years in conditions suck as gravel boating?
Sounds fun.
Too bad it doesn't rain enough in the desert.
Brian
Brian its sometimes hard to get your head around it at first but sitting there on the lot is alot easier on the hull than scraping a gravel bar at 50-60-70+ mph and we do that all the time!
Its all relative and honestly its a great feeling after a while not having to worry about every little scratch.
Sometimes you drive over stuff just cause you can haha
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Thanks for the reminder WSU, I took a few more pics of some race hardware
here's the best pic I can get right now of a typical intake setup. this is on the FX tunnel thats almost ready for water testing.
Note the rock grate is NOT installed here. The forward area of the intake is very similar to a stock intake you would be used to.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722intaker.JPG
The intake grate that bolts to the above intake, note that the rear of this grate is effectively the 'ride plate'.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Rockgrater.JPG
big power guys started breaking suction housings so this was our solution to that problem, pretty hard core! (and in stock)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Bsuction1r.JPG
And finally we don't really need reverse so here's a few race nozzles ready for use. These can sometimes offer 5-8 mph over a standard nozzle
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722RaceN1r.JPG
Hope you guys have a great weekend, looks like we may finally get some sun so I can test MY race nozzle setup and setback seats :boxed: :rollside: :boxed:
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

I would have loved a crack at that.
Your scrap guy must love you.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Bsuction1r.JPG

[spectras only]

Sweet.
I don't know about setting any boat in the dirt/rocks.
I still wonder why noone uses these boats for recreation.
Brian
There are many tin boats around here in bc . Eagle ones too .
http://media.putfile.com/pitt-lake-05

[spectras only]

Xero , how's that ZZ572 holding up to constant high rpm's ?
Here's a local plastic boat with one >
http://media.putfile.com/ZZ-572--Elim-jetboat
http://media.putfile.com/19-Eliminator-ZZ-572-

[Xerophobic]

Haha I have that vid saved on my pc from the first time I saw it, perfect example of "...because we can"
thanks Spectra

[spectras only]

Buddy of mine [ big Norm Schmidt] was a berkeley dealer here in the 80's. , He gave me some awesome videos [ VHS , lost :rolleyes: ] that was filmed in Alta .
They were showing these boats running out of water onto top of logs . When they slowed and stopped , they were pushing the logs apart to make room for another run . They kept this until found clear water . It was crazy stuff .
Needless to say the bottoms' surface looked like the surface of a golfball after :rollside:

[wsuwrhr]

There are many tin boats around here in bc . Eagle ones too .
None of us southerneers I mean.
Brian

[Kev-o]

wsuwrhr, Stock boats usually come with an aluminum impeller though S/S is optional. Maybe you guy's can post some bottom pics and some intake/grate pics? spectrasonly the pleasure tunnel with the 572 is headed for the Kelowna area i think. the 572 holds up well in a pleasure boat and pretty good in a race boat, but "RACEBOAT" lots of variables!

[Rockchucker]

Bwaahaahaa! Good ole Missouri rocks and gravel! :rollside:

[wsuwrhr]

Your Keel looks injured.
Brian

[bp]

Figured you guys may like to have a look at some stuff going thru the shop right now. We always have cool stuff out there but there seems to be more racey stuff than usual.
I can try to answer any questions you may have.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0733r.JPG
Cheers
this thing is just too cool. :cool:

[wsuwrhr]

this thing is just too cool. :cool:
Spear.

[HotRod Sprint]

this thing is just too cool. :cool:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722DSCF0733r.JPG
Ya but this
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Bsuction1r.JPG
is WAY toooo cooool
Rod

[MikeF]

Hypothetical.............. :crossx:
If you were to take this hull, remove the cap/deck, cut about 10" off the top of the lower half of the hull (to make a low profile hull), and then make a new deck to fit......how much would that weigh (approximate). :boxed: Might be a good drag hull?! :cool:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/153lopro1.jpg

[bp]

Hypothetical.............. :crossx:
If you were to take this hull, remove the cap/deck, cut about 10" off the top of the lower half of the hull (to make a low profile hull), and then make a new deck to fit......how much would that weigh (approximate). :boxed: Might be a good drag hull?! :cool:
i don't think too much of anything needs to be done to it.

[MAXIMUS]

Thanks for the reminder WSU, I took a few more pics of some race hardware
here's the best pic I can get right now of a typical intake setup. this is on the FX tunnel thats almost ready for water testing.
Note the rock grate is NOT installed here. The forward area of the intake is very similar to a stock intake you would be used to.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722intaker.JPG
The intake grate that bolts to the above intake, note that the rear of this grate is effectively the 'ride plate'.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Rockgrater.JPG
big power guys started breaking suction housings so this was our solution to that problem, pretty hard core! (and in stock)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Bsuction1r.JPG
And finally we don't really need reverse so here's a few race nozzles ready for use. These can sometimes offer 5-8 mph over a standard nozzle
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722RaceN1r.JPG
Hope you guys have a great weekend, looks like we may finally get some sun so I can test MY race nozzle setup and setback seats :boxed: :rollside: :boxed:
Cheers
Are those nozzels custom built or generic? What is the cost of one? If generic how many are there to choose from????

[Xerophobic]

How was the weekend guys?
Rockchucker, looks like an unfortunate incident to encounter in a glass boat. Now if that had been an alloy hull you would likely not have even bothered to climb under the trailer to have a look after. lol Do that once or twice and you see why we get addicted to alloy boats so fast Hope no one was hurt I know very well how violent a hit like that can sometimes be for passengers not prepared, especially after seeing that intake fin :cry:
Re the low profile hull. Im not sure what would be gained weight wise making such a modification. You have to remember that you're dealing with pretty light guage aluminum and you have to remove alot of material to see a major weight savings. With that said what would you gain performance wise, probably very little and what you might end up doing is messing up the airflow over/under the boat. Don't be mistaken here guys this hull has seen a good bit of R&D over the years, alot of different things have been tried, add an inch here, take 6 out there etc, long boats, short boats, wide tunnels flat tunnels etc. The joy of an alloy hull is we're not bound by the 'last mold' and small changes are easily built unto the next boat. Everything from the keel shape to the depth of the airtunnels has been tested. I really don't think you'd want to radically change anything about this boat untill you have run one for a while and learned the hull. If guys are going well over 110 mph with 800 hp then you have to think somethings about this hull are working very well. I'd have to reply about the same as I would to the intake question. yes we "could" but we'd probably try to encourage you not to.(if anything to make this hull "look" like a 'low deck' you'd want to shave off the rounded cowling area, the rest of the hull is not really that deep)
Now for the fun stuff....We did some water testing of the new tunnel on the weekend, the black lighweight FX tunnel posted earlier in the thread. FX class is based on the ZZ4 engine package and the boat was scraping 80 with that motor. More tuning and the boat should get into the mid 80's, not bad for a small block eh?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelsiderr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelfrontr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelsideFr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelrunr.JPG
Incidentally there "may" be a used 21 tunnel avail here shortly. Someone that wants to upgrade has a '99 race boat which could likely be had very reasonably. I believe the boat would be offered as a bare hull with dual cable steering, QT100 steel skid plates and plastic sponson protection with the hull in primer. stay tuned...
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Haha try to post and make sure I answer all the q's and more get posted while Im posting arrrrrgggggghhhhh LOLOL
Max those nozzles are made for us in batches to our specs, they are kinda labour intensive to make and a bit 'organic' as you can see. They do not have any steps or interior obstructions whatsoever. Notice the external steering setup, when you're going in a straight line nothing touches the flow other than smooth interior of the nozzle. I believe it is this reason these are much better than stock nozzles which all have various forms of drag in their designs with pivots and joints etc They can also take a rock strike alot better than anything cast haha
They are made in 3 lengths and various 'tip' angles. I have a 13 degree on my boat now(with a 7 degree bowl spacer) but they are usually more than that 14-16 and some are even 18 at the tip. Running a 14 degree nozzle with a 2 degree wedge is not the same as a 16 nozzle with no wedge as Im sure you can imagine. Again more tuning ability there as well. The exit sizes are also different as you would expect. I just yanked those off the shelf for the pic so for what we have in stock and cost you best call Bernie in parts and he can give ya the low down, I'd just be guessing! 403-347-4565
Often used with bowl spacers the longer nozzles increase the ability to carry the bow which is so important especially on our tunnels
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxpumpr.JPG
Sorry that pic isn't the greatest, I don't think the flash went off. It does show another option we can offer if the ride setup makes getting on plane difficult. You can add a device as shown to help ya get up quick which is important especially for us in the races with mass starts. We also have these in stock
Cheers

[superdave013]

How was the weekend guys?
Rockchucker, looks like an unfortunate incident to encounter in a glass boat. Now if that had been an alloy hull you would likely not have even bothered to climb under the trailer to have a look after. lol Do that once or twice and you see why we get addicted to alloy boats so fast Hope no one was hurt I know very well how violent a hit like that can sometimes be for passengers not prepared, especially after seeing that intake fin :cry:
Re the low profile hull. Im not sure what would be gained weight wise making such a modification. You have to remember that you're dealing with pretty light guage aluminum and you have to remove alot of material to see a major weight savings. With that said what would you gain performance wise, probably very little and what you might end up doing is messing up the airflow over/under the boat. Don't be mistaken here guys this hull has seen a good bit of R&D over the years, alot of different things have been tried, add an inch here, take 6 out there etc, long boats, short boats, wide tunnels flat tunnels etc. The joy of an alloy hull is we're not bound by the 'last mold' and small changes are easily built unto the next boat. Everything from the keel shape to the depth of the airtunnels has been tested. I really don't think you'd want to radically change anything about this boat untill you have run one for a while and learned the hull. If guys are going well over 110 mph with 800 hp then you have to think somethings about this hull are working very well. I'd have to reply about the same as I would to the intake question. yes we "could" but we'd probably try to encourage you not to.(if anything to make this hull "look" like a 'low deck' you'd want to shave off the rounded cowling area, the rest of the hull is not really that deep)
Now for the fun stuff....We did some water testing of the new tunnel on the weekend, the black lighweight FX tunnel posted earlier in the thread. FX class is based on the ZZ4 engine package and the boat was scraping 80 with that motor. More tuning and the boat should get into the mid 80's, not bad for a small block eh?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelsiderr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelfrontr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelsideFr.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722fxtunnelrunr.JPG
Cheers
I'd say that 80 or mid 80's with a stock small block is more then impressive.
What would a boat like this that's ready to run on a trailer cost?

[Rockchucker]

Actually that is aluminum! :rollside: Just 5 years of abuse. Three years ago I was pulling behind a wing dike on the Missouri River, only to go across the top of another submerged one. Crunch! :cry: And I was only at high idle speed. Took that chunk of fin off last year on the Meramec River, WFO and a quick crunch :) It's all good fun as you know. In the boats defense it is only 10 gauge aluminum.

[Xerophobic]

Dave you have a PM
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Haha me bad rock' I didn't look closely enough at that! Haha yea you're not doing too bad for 10 guage . our adventure boats have 1/2" keels and often steel on top of that!
Cheers

[MikeF]

Re the low profile hull. Im not sure what would be gained weight wise making such a modification. You have to remember that you're dealing with pretty light guage aluminum and you have to remove alot of material to see a major weight savings. With that said what would you gain performance wise, probably very little and what you might end up doing is messing up the airflow over/under the boat. Don't be mistaken here guys this hull has seen a good bit of R&D over the years, alot of different things have been tried, add an inch here, take 6 out there etc, long boats, short boats, wide tunnels flat tunnels etc. The joy of an alloy hull is we're not bound by the 'last mold' and small changes are easily built unto the next boat. Everything from the keel shape to the depth of the airtunnels has been tested. I really don't think you'd want to radically change anything about this boat untill you have run one for a while and learned the hull. If guys are going well over 110 mph with 800 hp then you have to think somethings about this hull are working very well. I'd have to reply about the same as I would to the intake question. yes we "could" but we'd probably try to encourage you not to.(if anything to make this hull "look" like a 'low deck' you'd want to shave off the rounded cowling area, the rest of the hull is not really that deep)
I already think it is one of the best looking jetboats out there the way it is. :cool:
Q......W/ the pump and nozzle out there as you guys run them......are they acting like a wheelie bar? Seems w/ the way you run them (bow high) that the nozzle would be creating some drag. Have you ever video'ed what is going on back there? :boxed:

[Flat Hall'N]

Haha funny you say that, its been done!
We offer polished sides on some models but one customer polished the whole hull. You wanna talk bling wait till you see this.....(lookin for pics)
Ok here we go...
a 15' Outlaw with optional polished sides. This boat is in our yard for sale and I couldn't find the pics at first, grrrr
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722polished15.JPG
Here's Mark Nye's monster. Alot of you have seen this Im sure. Its an Eagle 21 sport, with the step tech bottom, stretched out to 23 feet to make room for the gas turbine, haha that sounds so cool to say!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2.JPG
May not look like much bling factor but wow, 1400 HP and 300 lbs :O
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2a.JPG
The helmets 'make' the whole deal
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Squirt2b.JPG
From what I recall Mark said that polishing was ALOT of work
Cheers
Did I read that right - 1400 HP & only 300lbs!

[Xerophobic]

yeap, no typo there, T-58 makes about 1400 Hp and weighs ~300 lbs
throws a hell of a flame out that exhaust stack too(yes it has afterburner lol)
so ummm yea :) :) :) :) :)
Cheers

[bp]

bump...

[Flat Hall'N]

Nice!

[HotRod Sprint]

TTT! Gottat keep this one going!
Rod

[Xerophobic]

Been sick and its been a hectic week guys, don't worry I'll post some more pics soon. I think next we'll have to get you guys educated on our little sport boats and how much fun you can have in a 2 stroke jetboat thats only 15-17 feet long
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/glacierjet061.jpg
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

Where in sam hell is that guy planning on going?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/glacierjet061.jpg

[Xerophobic]

Haha well about 10 mins in a sportjet with a steptech bottom and you'd know! He's going exactly where he's pointing the boat! they are pretty much "unspinnable" and you "will' throw your passengers out if they are not paying attention in a hard turn. Those boats TURN and turn HARD
ill add the whole sequence for ya...
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/glacierjet059.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/glacierjet060.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/glacierjet061.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/64f3dc48.jpg
Thats all he posted but Im certain he would have made it up that chute knowing those boats and what they can do.
and you ask why???? So you can get to places like THIS :) :)
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/20mile015Medium.jpg
Awesome shots
Cheers

[JAY4SPEED]

and you ask why???? So you can get to places like THIS :) :)
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/rekelmann/20mile015Medium.jpg
Wow they make an icebreaker version! Thats a really cool pic!
Jay

[Xerophobic]

Hey guys, time for a lil update...
Lets back up a bit to when I was here for a week in the summer. Some of you may recall seeing this white sport we built. Its actually a 19 foot platform that we stretched out to 21 feet. It gives the boat a much sleeker "sportier" look as it retains the width of the 19.
It intially had a 720 HP 572 as shown in the pics and it features our new(for last year anyway) wrap around windscreen. Obviously the boat had a full interior, carpet, rear bench, 2 buckets, stereo and heater etc. I was even a little surprised to hear that package did 94 mph on GPS! :O It runs a steel race nozzle and has no reverse which honestly is pretty common in these parts. It got on step with no effort at all.
Figuring that motor package was a bit much for the typical buyer it was removed and a 6l blower engine was installed rated at 425 HP. The boat was water tested before being delivered to its new owner yesterday. It ran 74 mph. on GPS with 3 onboard
Some pics to refresh your memory...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSport.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSport572.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSportr.JPG
Ill put together some pics about our smaller sport boats later on
Cheers
p.s. just caught your post Canuck, one of my all time fav extreme boating pics that dog just makes the shot haha
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18209

[Xerophobic]

I was going to start a new thread but maybe I should just shift the topic here for a bit.
Ill get some photo's and video put together for the next chapter in the tin boating story....
"If you're not hittin bottom....you're not jetboatin!!!"
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Stuck.JPG
You guys are gonna loooove this one
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Ok where were we? Oh yea, hittin bottom! The best thing about our boats ,and aluminum boats in general, is not having to worry too much about scraping a rock here and there. Of course all aluminum boats are not created equal and as we've heard earlier in the thread some have thinner bottoms etc
That becomes really important when you do any type of backcountry or extreme boating when you just never know what you may come across in the rivers you explore. It sure is nice to have the peace of mind of a 1/2" aluminum bottom, or a QT100 Steel skid plate when you start realizing you're in 3-4-5" of water(or less!)
That said lets take a look at some pics of our smaller boats, The 15' 16' and 17' sports.
These boats can be built with either a delta bottom, great in very shallow water but slide thru the turns and aren't as forgiving in chop, or our patented StepTech bottom which has a 20 degree v to cut thru rougher water and a hard chine that REALLY bites in the corners. StepTech's really handle corners well and have become the hull of choice in this area for adventure and extreme boaters.
Boats like this need to be light, you'll end up pushing sooner or later when you've pushed the envelope too far, and so naturally the Mercury sportjets are the perfect package for power to weight ratio. They can, and have been, built with V8 power and full size pumps.
Time for some new pics!
A brand new 17' Sport Step tech bottom in our inventory.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372217SJ.JPG
The looks will grow on you, especially after you see what this kind of boat
can do!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372217SJa.JPG
Rob himself, he designed this boat
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372217SJb.JPG
The boat really does have some nice lines when sitting in the water
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SJ240.JPG
Ok so now you're asking yourself, ok its a neat little boat but how much fun can you have in it? It only has 240/250 HP and will top out at about 64 mph with 2 aboard. well how about these pics to convince you??
Beaverdams were never so much fun!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722beaverdam2.jpg
THATS some airtime!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722beaverdam1.jpg
Think of how much further up a channel or river you can go if a beaverdam doesn't halt your progress?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722beaverdam3.jpg
Of course don't think only our sport boats can handle this kind of abuse. Got a favourite hunting spot or fishing hole that you just can't make it to easily any other way? Pack up the boat and get out there!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722beaverdam5.jpg

[Xerophobic]

Of course many of you won't ever jump a beaver dam either out of necessity or pleasure but you may find yourself in some tiny rapids or shallow waters and I can say from spending time in many of these boats they handle these situations extremely well.
Rapids...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ1.jpg
Whitewater...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ2.jpg
More rapids and whitewater(and will come back for more)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ3.jpg
Don't forget to beach it for lunch...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ4.jpg
Of course running the backchannels can be an ultra rush, suddenly 60+ mph doesn't seem so slow!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722OutlawSJ1.JPG
Eventually you'll push it too far, you ready to push??
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722OutlawSJ3.JPG
When you don't and you're running some ultra shallow water it can be very rewarding
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722OutlawSJ4.JPG
Often these boats have the optional steel keel installed for obvious reasons and many even opt for the UHMW bow protection too. This really helps you slide over obsticals and protects the aluminum skin from wearing out. Pretty handy in situations like this...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722logjam.jpg
A great shot to show the UHMW plastic
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722logjam1.jpg
Would that logjam stop your trip????? It usually boils down to what you can get to in your boat. Sometimes thats enough to justify it and they say a pic is worth 1000 words...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ.jpg
Cheers

[poncho-pwr]

Okay, you got me hooked!! I may have to have one of these things some day. That is a redneck's dream boat right there buddy! Those boats are awesome and the country you guys are boating in is beautiful! Okay, let's see, an absolute thrill ride upriver to an awesome spot where you then get out and hunt all day in that gorgeous scenery then load up and have another thrill ride back to the truck....I thin I like it! There is just nothing better than nbeing able to combine more than one hobby on the same day.

[Xerophobic]

BINGO! I think Poncho has got the idea now. I doubt anyone ever set out to jump a beaver dam strictly for fun(well ok ok yea they have lol) as much as pushing the envelope to see how far up a river or back channel they could get. Its one of the main reasons that our boats tend to be rugged, look at what they are born to do and the conditions we test under! The owners past and present are "boat guys" that love the outdoors and the adventure of exploring them and getting out to those remote spots. You don't have to be gettin there at 60 mph either, we build all types of boats but the main goal is getting there, and back!
Ill try to figure out how to post some cool video's Ive dug out of the archives guys. Youll see that these boats can just take a beating and come back for more. You end up relying on them to get you thru things that would stop alot of other boats in their tracks.
One last thing I'd like to make clear, and we encounter this alot when we talk to people about our product line. We often hear "Im a lake boat guy" and it always baffles me. Our boats work just fine on open water, sure the bottom choice will affect the ride but for the guy who's a die hard fisherman why wouldn't you want the boat than can do deep lakes and run up the river. Same for the skier or wakeboarder etc People really need to get into these boats, you will be very surprised what they can do and how well they do it.
More to follow
Cheers

[wsuwrhr]

You guys are....INSANE.
Brian

[Xerophobic]

In the works Canuck, trust me no one wants to post some of this stuff I have more than me !
I wouldn't necessarily call it insanity there Wsu......well ok maybe a lil
:eek: :rollside: :D :wink:
Cheers

[79Challenger]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722NZSJ.jpg
This photo alone is enough to convince me!

[JAY4SPEED]

That is a redneck's dream boat right there buddy! Those boats are awesome and the country you guys are boating in is beautiful! Okay, let's see, an absolute thrill ride upriver to an awesome spot where you then get out and hunt all day in that gorgeous scenery then load up and have another thrill ride back to the truck....I thin I like it! There is just nothing better than nbeing able to combine more than one hobby on the same day.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see one down in the bayou painted camo, rifle rack hanging from the rollbar and a dead deer strapped to the bow while jumping a nutria dam (we don't have beavers down here).....lol
Jay

[Xerophobic]

Haha you mean sorta like this???
http://www.gatorjetboats.com/poker05decker.jpg
I guess that guy didn't go for the optional gunrack haha
Good shot of a 17 tho and note the UHMW on the bow, im guessing that helped a bit during that slide :O
http://www.gatorjetboats.com/poker05decker1.jpg
:) :) :) :)
Courtesy of Gator jetboats in MO
Cheers

[poncho-pwr]

(we don't have beavers down here)
I thought there was a lot of nice beaver in down there...oh wait, never mind!

[Xerophobic]

You mean ummm, errrrrrr....never mind
:) :) :)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722ERGirl.JPG
Cheers

[poncho-pwr]

Yep, that's the kind of beaver dam I like to jump!

[HotRod Sprint]

Yep, that's the kind of beaver dam I like to jump!
Ain't that more like damn beaver :D
Rod

[spectras only]

Xero , pretty good posts to get the adrenalin going . Just brought the jetboat down from OK Falls last weekend. It was 77 on saturday ,and I bet it won't be more than 65 this weekend. It's getting nippy and you guys need to put skates on yer boats pretty soon in berta :p :rollside: .

[wsuwrhr]

Yep, that's the kind of beaver dam I like to jump!
Talk about a duplicate post.

[Xerophobic]

You kiddin? Im swapping in the backup motor today due to a bad valve so I can keep runnin. the season ain't over yet , not till the water isn't liquid anymore! Black toque days here I come!
You guys sayin you got less tolerence to the cold than these hard core boaters???
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722ERGirla.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722ERGirlb.JPG
haha
Cheers
(spectra exactly which pics got your adrenaline pumping??? Just a lil "marketing survey" :rollside: :rollside: )

[superdave013]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722ERGirlb.JPG
Now I know what those roll bars are good for. Place to attach the handcuffs! :crossx: :crossx:

[spectras only]

spectra exactly which pics got your adrenaline pumping??? Just a lil "marketing survey" :rollside: :rollside: )
Post # 129 :) .
How come the chick in post #134 doesn't have goosebumps , or hard nipps at least :rollside:.Must be dry cold :) Need a close up on that one to examine her better :)

[Xerophobic]

Time for a little update on Terry's tunnel.
We're getting very close to being ready for a watertest on this boat and if it wasn't for the weather we'd have that boat outside for some interior shots. Terry is in town and we will try to get the boat on the water this week and have some numbers for you guys. In the meantime I figured you may want to drool over the work of Murray our top notch inhouse upholstery god. This has to be one of the nicest tunnel interiors I've seen but you be the judge. High back seats never looked so good in a boat eh????
Recovered Racetech seats
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint1.JPG
Only waiting for foot throttle placement now (custom fit for Terry)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint2.JPG
Colours match the tow vehicle
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint3.JPG
Nice little storage box and battery shutoff under a very basic rear bench
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint4.JPG
Those look reaaal comfy and look even better
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint5.JPG
I want one!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint6.JPG
Can't wait for pics of this boat cleaned up and in the water in the sun!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint7.JPG
Awesome work Murray
Who wants to place their bets for the numbers this boat should pull this week? Do i hear 105 anyone......
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

well we've had some logistics problems getting Sharkeys boat tested but We also had a deadline for a pics to go into a calendar so brave(stupid) me took the boat down to the river and got some shots of it in the water. I can't seem to get ***boat image posting to work today so Ive only uploaded one shot. More to come and some even show snow. yes boys its winter here now already :(
Anyway the boat looks awesome, heré's a little teaser where it doesn't actually look cold haha
Cheers
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkwet.JPG

[Xerophobic]

Ok now a shot of what the day was REALLY like
haha
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Hardcore.JPG
Im either dedicated or stupid, maybe both!
Cheers
(I believe the air temp was about 6 degree's F, I won't hazard a guess what temp the water was but put it this way the waders were NOT insulated lol)

[Xerophobic]

TTT
alot of people asking me for pics so lets start with a thread where most of them are already
Cheers