Nostalgic race boats...

[BILLY.B]

I see my buddy Dave Sammons is on line right now and that reminded me of something him & I were talking about over the weekend. As you know Dave & Dick Waltrip and crew restored a nostalgic dragster to a tee a couple of years ago. Winning many awards with it wherever they go. Dave & I were talking about the fact that other then Mary Rife (Proud Mary) nobody has restored the old race boats. How cool would that be to see some of the old drag boats of the day re-done to perfection. Sure it would cost a grip to do it right but I know there is alot of deep pockets out there who raced in the day or maybe they had a favorite boat that they could reproduce before all the hulls are gone. Don Petrotta is willing to do this and hopefully someone will find his old boat or one like it so we can make this happen.

[vdriver4ever]

Brother Rattle Can has deep pockets but damn short arms.. :)

[boat030]

Ok maybe it's not an old TFH but it is a '72 Hondo in absolutely perfect condition with some good racing history it was Ray Capaldi's race boat from '72 to '74
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/869BR1_2.bmp

[old rigger]

My personal choice, if I had deep pockets, would be Howard Browns U67 'How 'Bout That'. 137 and change in 1964. Shoot, besides your K boat running 141 BillyB, that would still be about the fastest boat running on the river today, not to mention one of the best riding. I have an old ad from 1965 where Brown was selling that boat complete for $7200, which was a ton o cash in the mid 60s. I know Steve d has a center deck Howard stashed away with a hemi. It's a stunning example of an original boat.

[wsuwrhr]

Sounds like you were describing your lifestyle bling bling, step up and build another boat.
Which is it going to be?
Wayne already one-upped you with K-50. Isn't Jerry doing one also? Geterdun.
Brian
I see my buddy Dave Sammons is on line right now and that reminded me of something him & I were talking about over the weekend. As you know Dave & Dick Waltrip and crew restored a nostalgic dragster to a tee a couple of years ago. Winning many awards with it wherever they go. Dave & I were talking about the fact that other then Mary Rife (Proud Mary) nobody has restored the old race boats. How cool would that be to see some of the old drag boats of the day re-done to perfection. Sure it would cost a grip to do it right but I know there is alot of deep pockets out there who raced in the day or maybe they had a favorite boat that they could reproduce before all the hulls are gone. Don Petrotta is willing to do this and hopefully someone will find his old boat or one like it so we can make this happen.

[MikeF]

I wish that I had the income to make the one I have look/be as clean as alot of the boats I see out there. Makes me feel a little bad. :o
You know alot of boats have to be out there just waiting to be revived. They are tucked away somewhere. :cool:

[dossangers]

Theres one flat that needs to be BROUGHT BACK Red metalflake on NITRO ''CRAZY HORSE''

[superdave013]

I wish that I had the income to make the one I have look/be as clean as alot of the boats I see out there. Makes me feel a little bad. :o
You know alot of boats have to be out there just waiting to be revived. They are tucked away somewhere. :cool:
your boat is almost there. Your deal would take more time then money and we all know you have the time.
I would like to see someone re-do an early Panic Mouse myself.

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

your boat is almost there. Your deal would take more time then money and we all know you have the time.
I would like to see someone re-do an early Panic Mouse myself.
What if someone had a "real 007" in original but great condition? What kind of $$$ could it bring at the Barret Jackson Auction?

[haulina29]

Chris Kurtis has one of the Texans and one of Ted Faggarts flats . The ultimate find would be a original Panic Mouse or a shovel nose Climax or MR Ed . Also the Mixed Emotions sled would be cool also .

[maxwedge]

I have a "very rare" old Sidewinder that the previous owner told me was a race boat.LOL If you guys restore it...we're talking major awards here guys! :D
Seriously, it would be really cool to see almost any old race boat back in original condidtion. I will keep my eyes peeled here in the midwest. Occasionaly used to see some old race boats at Decatur and Peoria, but they haven't had a race for a few years. :cry:

[Speedin' Ian]

Well we have one of Jim Cole's original TFF that we will probably sell next year if someone wanted to rebuild that boat. I always thought it would be cool to restore it, but I don't have the funds to build a boat that runs on fuel, plus I don't think I have the balls to drive it, although it would be bitchen to hear a TFF on the water... maybe Tony could shoe it!

[superdave013]

What if someone had a "real 007" in original but great condition? What kind of $$$ could it bring at the Barret Jackson Auction?
sad to say at that auction prolly not much. I think you would do better selling it at one of the needles vacations.

[Sangster]

We're redoing the "Night Train BFH" back to Original condition except we decided to put a Blown Alky 540ci. in it.....It had a Blown Hemi originally........we also have one of Tim Morgan's 19' Sanger Climax hulls that we will also like to restore and put a Bolwn Gas 526ci. Roedeck in it...If anyone has info on this boat or pics of the original paint they could post or email me it would be greatly appreciated....When we got the boat it was already taken down to the white gel coat.....Thanks

[MAXIMUS]

This 1959 biatch just got restored... :crossx:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/217PARKER_3.jpg

[Morg]

We're redoing the "Night Train BFH" back to Original condition except we decided to put a Blown Alky 540ci. in it.....It had a Blown Hemi originally........we also have one of Tim Morgan's 19' Sanger Climax hulls that we will also like to restore and put a Bolwn Gas 526ci. Roedeck in it...If anyone has info on this boat or pics of the original paint they could post or email me it would be greatly appreciated....When we got the boat it was already taken down to the white gel coat.....Thanks
Mike,
Post a pick of Tim's 19 sanger. If its the one I'm thinking of I remember being in Tim's garage seing it brand new. Asking my dad "whats up with the back of that one?". I remember the hull but thought Tim was setting it up for someone else.

[Morg]

Ron "Dago" Campenelli has an original "Down & Out" Deaver shovel nose in the rafters of his shop. -Pretty sure it was a Deaver????
Bugged him for years to get it down, clean it up & go run it. :)

[BILLY.B]

Ron "Dago" Campenelli has an original "Down & Out" Deaver shovel nose in the rafters of his shop. -Pretty sure it was a Deaver????
Bugged him for years to get it down, clean it up & go run it. :) Funny you'd bring this boat up. Dave Sammons and I were talking about this very boat on Sunday. Jerry is doing the Honcho K-32 back to it's day. I'm doing one for Don Christy Jr (Mr.Big Stuff PC-64) back to it's record setting originality. So it's on.... There's lots of Sanger's and Hondo's out there that can be re-done. We have to start somewhere and what a cool way to get together. There's so much talent on these boards along with information I can't see it going anyway but up. Gordy should buy a Sanger circle boat and do it like the Liberty K-69 his dad drove. That would be way bitchen. They may not bring the money of a street rod but it's not about the money. There's nothing like a cool retro flat or hydro. Hands down winner over a car any day!!!!

[haulina29]

I do not think plan b is a 59 maybe a 69 ? Also I think Down and Out is a Howard H29

[Kindsvater Flat]

This boat caught a few eyes when I posted it.....DMV check and it came back to a Dimarco. Thats Kurtis500 in the red shirt getting it running for them.
http://www.schoutenranch.com/redbluff/images/relic5.jpg
Check out that taperlock setup holding the top blower pulley on.
http://www.schoutenranch.com/redbluff/images/relic3.jpg

[MAXIMUS]

I do not think plan b is a 59 maybe a 69 ? Also I think Down and Out is a Howard H29
1959 :)

[haulina29]

A 1959 20 foot GN rayson craft :)

[Sangster]

Funny you'd bring this boat up. Dave Sammons and I were talking about this very boat on Sunday. Jerry is doing the Honcho K-32 back to it's day. I'm doing one for Don Christy Jr (Mr.Big Stuff PC-64) back to it's record setting originality. So it's on.... There's lots of Sanger's and Hondo's out there that can be re-done. We have to start somewhere and what a cool way to get together. There's so much talent on these boards along with information I can't see it going anyway but up. Gordy should buy a Sanger circle boat and do it like the Liberty K-69 his dad drove. That would be way bitchen. They may not bring the money of a street rod but it's not about the money. There's nothing like a cool retro flat or hydro. Hands down winner over a car any day!!!!
Climax vs Down & Out Courtesy Jim Phillipson
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/118CLIMAX-VS-DOWN-OUT.jpg

[Morg]

Thats the down & out boat Dago has in the rafters.
I will give him a call.
That would be a kick ass deal to see running again.

[Sangster]

Morg...can't find the pics of Tim's boat right now but will post some as soon as I get my camera back.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[finaleffort]

We Still Have The 1983 Deaver That Was The Last Blood Sweat And Nitro Boat That Gene Deaver And Rick Hendrick Ran, We Bought It In The End Of 83 And Ran Fuel From 84. To 93.

[BILLY.B]

Brad Tuttle came by the shop the other day and your dad's name came up due to this thread. Brad would love to have his old boat back to restore it (Nitro Bandit). We were talking about the time he filled in on a test session for Bob Burns at Phoenix driving your dads boat (Final Effort). Tom Arens (owner of the Nitro Express) & I were standing right next to the car your dad was standing on (hood) watching Brad. Brad shut it down due to a engine problem and your dad was PISSED!!!!. He caved in the hood of that rental car (Lincoln) by stomping his boots he was so pissed. Looking back now it was pretty funny. But then we thought Brad was dead meat when he got back to the pits.

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[QUOTE=dossangers]Theres one flat that needs to be BROUGHT BACK Red metalflake on NITRO [SIZE=7]''CRAZY HORSE'' DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and with a "392" I was reading this thread last night and thought how cool it was and how I could not agree more with what everyone has said. I'm just surprised :idea: no one brought it up sooner! especially after seeing Waynes immaculate recreation of "COLDFIRE". I cant think of anything cooler than seeing restorations or re-creations of all the race boats, drag and circle, that I knew and loved as a youngster!

[coolchange]

Friend of mine had a Panic MOuse. Was the first flat I ever drove. It went to McLure- Don Pedro area about 1975. Guy moved to Florida. wish I could track it down.

[Dave Sammons]

As Billy and I were talking about this subject, we were discussing the fact that there HAD to be some of these old raceboats still around. In just a couple days on the forum it's come out that, one of Cole's old TFF's is still around, Blood, Sweat and Nitro is coming up for sale and Down N Out is up in the original owners rafters! I think this is AMAZING. The car guys have a huge leg up on us as far as preserving history. When we were running the GoodGuys deal and attended the first NHRA Reunion, to see the old restored Top Fuelers just blew us away! Great pains were taken to either restore the original or build the re-pop to reflect the EXACT way the car was built in it's day. While the originals are of course the ideal, the re-creations are just as highly thought of. When I began restoring the 1963 top fueler "Chubasco" I was told by Greg Sharp of the NHRA Museum that attention to detail is the key. Painting the car the same color, finding the correct hat and putting "weedburner" headers on it was not going to cut it! We made sure to document everything we could right down to the brass fittings, thumb screw hose clamps and the places where the electrical tape held the hoses to the chassis. Here's a couple links to the site where the restoration was detailed.
http://www.nitrogeezers.com/Chubasco_resto.htm
http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/communityalbums.cgi?action=openalbum&albumid=9980135036050&ownerid=9990104369702
When we debuted the car at Cacklefest 3 years ago the response was unbelievable. I heard so many stories about the car and it's history just from fans who were there back in the day, it blew me away! Point being...Boat racing fans have the same type of memories and when a boat can be found and restored or re-created to the EXACT detail of it's period, the same emotions will begin to flow and I gotta tell ya it's pretty dam cool! Wait till you see "Proud Mary" for the first time! Can you imagine that boat and Down n Out or Out A Sight side by side on the Racecourse...talk about Goosebumps!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187108Harris-TFH.jpg http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518737Polliccia-Ming.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

How about "Hot Dam Hondo" and one of the 6 different "Crazy Horse" boats coming under the bridge at Needles. The Hondo we have is identical in setup to both of these boats. Would be a fairly simple transition.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/51879-JE.jpg http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187Hot-Damn-Hondo1974.jpg http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518750Al-Bush-BFF.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

Hydro guys...no unblown fueler ran harder that "Crucifier"
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518726-Crucifier-10.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

When was the last time someone saw a Brendella?
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187TF-WESTERN-MAG-SPECIAL-CASE.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

You can go back to the sixties and do a "Mr. ED" or in the 70's like this one.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187MrEd-Dade2-med.jpg

[haulina29]

Dave the cars are not clones they are real cars like Steckers car that you did . Jim Lange is doing a resto deal for me right now we considered doing a Panic Mouse clone at one time but decided against it because it was not the real deal . We are doing a 64 Hallet sled with a wood deck Jim Miller is doing a new ribbon striped Mahogany deck and floors with laminated stringers and new bulkheads etc and were having a good time doing it . I think the boat guys need to dig some old stuff up and not build clones . A clone has no historical value other than to the owner . Are you going to the GNRS this weekend Im on my way out in a few .

[Dave Sammons]

A recreation of the straight deck "Panic Mouse" Hondo versus the early factory Sanger "Joker's Wild".
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518768-Caselli-early-boat.jpg http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518730Swabie-BFF-old.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

Dave the cars are not clones they are real cars like Steckers car that you did . Jim Lange is doing a resto deal for me right now we considered doing a Panic Mouse clone at one time but decided against it because it was not the real deal . We are doing a 64 Hallet sled with a wood deck Jim Miller is doing a new ribbon striped Mahogany deck and floors with laminated stringers and new bulkheads etc and were having a good time doing it . I think the boat guys need to dig some old stuff up and not build clones . A clone has no historical value other than to the owner . Are you going to the GNRS this weekend Im on my way out in a few .
The fact is that many of the "Cacklefest" cars are re-creations. Pat Foster, Tom Hanna and a few others are doing very well building these re-pops for either the original owners or people who want to have the car they were fans of back in the day. The price of the re-creation of the "Beebe and Mulligan" top fueler was very near 100,000.00. Is the car worth it? Doubt the owner will have any trouble selling it when he's ready. Don't disagree that we shouldn't try to check the barns, garages and rafters to try and find the originals, but, in many cases it's not going to happen. I like to think that when I do a boat for someone, in some small way, I'm helping to make a dream come true, instead of another multicolor stripe job and a big block chevy with a tunnel ram, if someone wants to re-create a great old raceboat from the past...I say go for it! You won't be dissappointed with your decision and if guys like me and Billy can help...It would be an honor!
Not going to make the show...Leaving for Jamaica in the morning for a little time in the sun!! :cool: :cool:

[BIGCHRIS]

Hey guys,i talked to a guy about 4 months ago when i was looking for another boat.He said that he had one of the crazy horse boats (if there were more than one or only one i dont no) and it was for sale.It was a Hondo, i will look for his info if i can find it if anyone is interested.He also had a Cole for sale also at the time and a 30 or 40 foot trailer for sale too.He was also into plymouths ,dodges and Hemis if this helps

[dossangers]

The panic mouse engine builder was at the PREMIER with us!

[Kindsvater Flat]

Dave did you ever get into these? I think they are bad ass cars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/HemiPwr70/Mecum/DSC00896.jpg

[CircleJerk]

Dave did you ever get into these? I think they are bad ass cars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/HemiPwr70/Mecum/DSC00896.jpg
Some of you know Don Zig the magneto man. He and a partner ran a gas Willys coupe with a straight eight similar to this! Don's partner, Richard Dietz and Harold Doolin put me into a Bantum bodied fuel altered in 1988 here in Spokane. In that car, I spit 4 rods under the rear slicks at 188! Gas, coupes, you couldnt get me into one, too dangerous!
Anyone remember the Aquacraft 'Hornet' SS56 from 1964? My #57 boat is a tribute to the famous Skip Volk and his Hornet Champion circle racer.

[finaleffort]

Hey Billy i remember that and the next pass Brad made there was a 217mph. and when bob burns showed up to drive he said if you dont do any better than 217 you are walking home. long way from pheonix to maryland ha ha. those where the good old days. the nitro bandit was crashed a couple of years ago. but brad always like driveing our deaver better than his, our took a set better and ran straighter and truer than his. i would love to cut the capsule out of it and make it an open boat again.

[Sanger D]

A recreation of the straight deck "Panic Mouse" Hondo versus the early factory Sanger "Joker's Wild".
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518768-Caselli-early-boat.jpg http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/518730Swabie-BFF-old.jpg............................Was just wondering if those early sangers were true flats or runners?

[Rattle Can Lou]

They were straight flatbottoms. Runner Bottoms came in about 74???? Billy could probably answer this better.

[Hud]

RCL, check your pm's..........C'mon!

[boat030]

They were straight flatbottoms. Runner Bottoms came in about 74???? Billy could probably answer this better.
The '72 Hondo on the first page of this thread is a runner bottom and I don't think it was the first year they were out, not sure on that though.

[LilFlattie]

IF you would get his info and P.M me PLEASE.... Thanks :cool:

[LilFlattie]

Just out of curiosity, what happened to the first two boats you painted?
I know where #3 is. would my #3 be the oldest surviving. Did the first two
have any history to them?

[BIGCHRIS]

IF you would get his info and P.M me PLEASE.... Thanks :cool:
Lil Flattie,i will pm u the info i could come up with in a few

[LilFlattie]

Thanks for the P.M.........if you run across that info please let me know.
I would appreciate it. Thanks

[BIGCHRIS]

Thanks for the P.M.........if you run across that info please let me know.
I would appreciate it. Thanks
U could try and call lumpert,but i will do my best to track the number back down for u :)

[weekendwarrior]

Dave the cars are not clones they are real cars like Steckers car that you did . Jim Lange is doing a resto deal for me right now we considered doing a Panic Mouse clone at one time but decided against it because it was not the real deal . We are doing a 64 Hallet sled with a wood deck Jim Miller is doing a new ribbon striped Mahogany deck and floors with laminated stringers and new bulkheads etc and were having a good time doing it . I think the boat guys need to dig some old stuff up and not build clones . A clone has no historical value other than to the owner . Are you going to the GNRS this weekend Im on my way out in a few .
Not to hi-jack this thread but Jim Miller at Miller Custom Boats did a restoration on my flat bottom. It turned out better than i imagined. You will not be disapointed. You guys have contracted the best to do your restoration. :)

[RaysonKid]

They were straight flatbottoms. Runner Bottoms came in about 74???? Billy could probably answer this better.
Sanger had a runner bottom in 72.
Guess thats about 74...

[BIGCHRIS]

Hey Billy i remember that and the next pass Brad made there was a 217mph. and when bob burns showed up to drive he said if you dont do any better than 217 you are walking home. long way from pheonix to maryland ha ha. those where the good old days. the nitro bandit was crashed a couple of years ago. but brad always like driveing our deaver better than his, our took a set better and ran straighter and truer than his. i would love to cut the capsule out of it and make it an open boat again.
My friends dad found some of his old VHS tapes from back in the day,i am watching the 84 85 spectacular now and just seen Tuttle make a pass in the final effort hydro in Waco it was all over :220v: love seing all these old boats that u guys talk about cool :)

[Schiada76]

Not to go off topic but......................if VHS tapes are "back in the day" I'm old focker. :D

[CircleJerk]

Yup, so am I.

[Rexone]

I saw Tony Ervolina's old Dago Red on display at SEMA this year, sorry forget the name of current owner. The guys wife was there with the boat and I talked with her a few minutes. Nice lady, I guess they still race it on occasion. The boat looks as bad ass today as it did when Tony built it. Tony is a perfectionist and it shows in the boat.
If anyone ever comes across the Sangar bubbledeck K99 Trojan Ghost boat I once had please let me know. This was the 4th and final K boat Rick Williams campaigned. Dick Bennett drove the boat for Rick until he was tragically killed in a plane crash. I bought the boat from Rick after that and he went drag racing briefly, then retired from boat racing. I put a gas motor in it for a playboat. Not that fast but it was a fun boat and handled well. Some guy from San Diego bought it from me in about 1979-80 less motor. It was seen in a repo lot a few years after but I could never locate it. Still have sellers remorse on that one. Its probably sitting in a field somewhere behind a barn or in a garage being used for a shelf. :frown: That's one I'd take the time to restore.
Here's a couple pics from the late 70's on a Lake Mohave trip near Kathrine Landing... I have a bunch more pics I need to scan.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732k99-2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732k99-1.jpg

[Riverkid]

Dago Red was there at SEMA last year as well. They had it out in the lot nearby the big boat tent. Man is that flat detailed. Have to find the pics I took of it. It's nice.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01263_Large_.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01262_Large_.JPG
This car was insane!!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01269_Large_.JPG

[Roaddogg 4040]

Raysonkid is correct, 1972 A friend of mine had one. Not near a good looking as my LP but a hell of a lot faster. :)
Steve

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

I saw Tony Ervolina's old Dago Red on display at SEMA this year, sorry forget the name of current owner. The guys wife was there with the boat and I talked with her a few minutes. Nice lady, I guess they still race it on occasion. The boat looks as bad ass today as it did when Tony built it. Tony is a perfectionist and it shows in the boat.
If anyone ever comes across the Sangar bubbledeck K99 Trojan Ghost boat I once had please let me know. This was the 4th and final K boat Rick Williams campaigned. Dick Bennett drove the boat for Rick until he was tragically killed in a plane crash. I bought the boat from Rick after that and he went drag racing briefly, then retired from boat racing. I put a gas motor in it for a playboat. Not that fast but it was a fun boat and handled well. Some guy from San Diego bought it from me in about 1979-80 less motor. It was seen in a repo lot a few years after but I could never locate it. Still have sellers remorse on that one. Its probably sitting in a field somewhere behind a barn or in a garage being used for a shelf. :frown: That's one I'd take the time to restore.
Here's a couple pics from the late 70's on a Lake Mohave trip near Kathrine Landing... I have a bunch more pics I need to scan.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732k99-2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732k99-1.jpg
Thats awesome Mike, I hope you find it. :cool:
Gordy says he knows where there's a "Liberty" sanger but the guy won't sell. Premier mop and rescue (the lurker) says Gordy needs to offer more than .50 cents.Lol!! :rollside:

[superdave013]

Dave the cars are not clones they are real cars like Steckers car that you did . Jim Lange is doing a resto deal for me right now we considered doing a Panic Mouse clone at one time but decided against it because it was not the real deal . We are doing a 64 Hallet sled with a wood deck Jim Miller is doing a new ribbon striped Mahogany deck and floors with laminated stringers and new bulkheads etc and were having a good time doing it . I think the boat guys need to dig some old stuff up and not build clones . A clone has no historical value other than to the owner . Are you going to the GNRS this weekend Im on my way out in a few .
I heard about your restore project. I can't wait to see it. How did that parallel shaft drive work out for ya?

[haulina29]

I probably own one of the most pristine HallCraft parallel shaft boxes in the country the question is WTF to do with it . Maybe China as scrap ?

[GofastRacer]

I probably own one of the most pristine HallCraft parallel shaft boxes in the country the question is WTF to do with it . Maybe China as scrap ?
That is too funny, LMAO!.. :D :D

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rex, if you want pm me the cf #s. I might be able to find somethin out. :)

[weekendwarrior]

Dago Red was there at SEMA last year as well. They had it out in the lot nearby the big boat tent. Man is that flat detailed. Have to find the pics I took of it. It's nice.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01263_Large_.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01262_Large_.JPG
This car was insane!!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2880DSC01269_Large_.JPG
All I can say is wow! That t-deck is awsome. That boat is strictly business, just the way I like them.

[BILLY.B]

Just out of curiosity, what happened to the first two boats you painted?
I know where #3 is. would my #3 be the oldest surviving. Did the first two
have any history to them?The first one was the "Mr. Big Stuff" PC 64, and my buddy who owned that boat bought it back and were going to restore it back to it's record setting days. The 2nd one was "The Force" K-11 which was destroyed back in 1981 at Hagg lake in Washington St. But before I started doing that Patented # deal I did my dads Sanger Sprint jet that I just got back from the buddy I sold it too. Still looks great seeing that it's 26 years old.

[Bobbo541]

Jason Crews owns Dago Red he's out of Elkgrove Ca. he runs Pro Gas Flat.

[Doin' Time]

i thought he was in san ramon?

[Bobbo541]

Jason and Jean moved about 2yrs ago.

[dossangers]

Dave the cars are not clones they are real cars like Steckers car that you did . Jim Lange is doing a resto deal for me right now we considered doing a Panic Mouse clone at one time but decided against it because it was not the real deal . We are doing a 64 Hallet sled with a wood deck Jim Miller is doing a new ribbon striped Mahogany deck and floors with laminated stringers and new bulkheads etc and were having a good time doing it . I think the boat guys need to dig some old stuff up and not build clones . A clone has no historical value other than to the owner . Are you going to the GNRS this weekend Im on my way out in a few .
I dont care if you dont use the original race boat! As long as you replicate the original in every way i say GO FOR IT! but in my case Ive got as close to an original copy of COLDFIRE as you can get! And put back to the EXACT STANDARDS by the ORIGINAL CREWCHIEF! I think it has ALOT of historical value Just ask anybody on these boards!

[haulina29]

Yes you do have a nice boat but historical value can only be placed on the original item . Collectors do not purchase clones . The term historical value would be used to justify paying a over inflated price for something because its original and has along history behind it . H29

[dossangers]

I dont know about that just look at the barrett jackson auction!!!

[weekendwarrior]

I dont know about that just look at the barrett jackson auction!!!
We'll talk about barrett jackson when they start auctioning boats.

[dossangers]

Who gives a shit about building a boat for value you do it for the love of the SPORT! Its about enjoying the past not about mak'in a $$$$ :220v: :220v:

[weekendwarrior]

Who gives a shit about building a boat for value you do it for the love of the SPORT! Its about enjoying the past not about mak'in a $$$$ :220v: :220v:
That is very true.

[haulina29]

Doss you changed your post I read the second one before you editied it why ? Barrett Jackson would be a prime example whats worth more a documented Hemi Cuda with low mileage or a Hemi Cuda clone .

[finaleffort]

My friends dad found some of his old VHS tapes from back in the day,i am watching the 84 85 spectacular now and just seen Tuttle make a pass in the final effort hydro in Waco it was all over :220v: love seing all these old boats that u guys talk about cool :)
YES IT WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THAT RUN, WE HAD IT TUNED UP STRONG. WITH A VERY LARGE PROP ON THE BOAT THAT GENE DEAVER AND TOM BLACK WANTED TO TRY OUT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE HIT OF THE THROTTLE IT DID EVERYTHING BUT CRASH. WE WENT BACK TO THE PITS THE MY DAD TOOK THE PROP AND THREW IT IN THE TRASH. WE WENT BACK TO THE OLD SET UP AND SECOND ROUND RAN A 220.58 TO SET THE S.D.B.A RECORD

[wsuwrhr]

Who gives a shit about building a boat for value you do it for the love of the SPORT! Its about enjoying the past not about mak'in a $$$$ :220v: :220v:
Ask Mouser what it takes to make money selling boats.
I agree with Doss, it isn't about the money, and he never tried to pass it off as the original.
I think everyone involved with the "COLDFIRE" project made a stunning example of the subject at hand.
Better than that, it brought Julian,(who I have never met), and Bubby,(who I know very well) out of hiding. Better than THAT, Bubby and I were talking at the RRII event last week, Bubby was even talking about bringing his wood deck Kurtis out to play with everyone this season. I have been bugging him for years about that boat.
So come on, can't we all get along? We can't take the money with us when we go.
Brian

[haulina29]

No one ever mentioned doss's boat but him . I stated I me personaly did not want to build a clone . Doss wasnt even a thought when I posted that .

[dossangers]

Doss you changed your post I read the second one before you editied it why ? Barrett Jackson would be a prime example whats worth more a documented Hemi Cuda with low mileage or a Hemi Cuda clone .The problem with finding original race boats are that they built so FEW. Im sure alot of them were crashed! Boats are a different story than CARS!

[wsuwrhr]

No one ever mentioned doss's boat but him . I stated I me personaly did not want to build a clone . Doss wasnt even a thought when I posted that .
Cool deal,
I thought it was crazy that the clone on Barrett went for 100k+, was a 440 car I think.
I think I might start buying base cars and putting hemis in them
Brian

[Rexone]

My brother had an original factory Superbird with a Hemi. He removed the Hemi (put in a roadster) put a 440 in the car and sold in for under 10K. This was like in the early 80's I think. Who knew they'd be worth big $$ then. :cry: :cry:

[haulina29]

Doss I hear you on the lack of original boats but there is one boat that needs to be picked up and the last time I saw it at the river it still had original paint and that was liberty it has been awhile but I actually walked over and looked at it . Major stress cracks but I guess that could be called patina . It was not for sale at any price at that time . But someday it will be on the market . By now it may have been repainted who knows .

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Doss I hear you on the lack of original boats but there is one boat that needs to be picked up and the last time I saw it at the river it still had original paint and that was liberty ....
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Liberty%20001.jpg

[Dave Sammons]

Dave did you ever get into these? I think they are bad ass cars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/HemiPwr70/Mecum/DSC00896.jpg
When we were running GoodGuys, I tried not to miss a round of A-Gas. What a show they put on! They actually run alcohol motors now. Had a chance to drive one, but, couldn't fit in the darn thing! :mad: :mad: This car is a classic example of what we've been talking about on this thread..."Period Correct" re-creations done to help racing fans re-live the past, if the originals have been crashed, cut-up or vanished. To create a "period correct" piece, I know, is very difficult. As stated earlier, Greg Sharp of the NHRA Museum, is about as sharp as they come in terms of the land 1/4mile. To do a boat to the standards of what would be exceptable in terms of what has been restored/re-popped in the "Cackle" cars, so many things would have to be considered in say a pre-1973/74 piece...steering assembly(hallcraft, nicson fabricated), pedals(not alot of boats had up/downs pre 73), plate assembly(finishline, glenwood), gauge placement and type(almost all S/W and Jones), fuel tank(moon, handbuilt), all the motor stuff is alot like the land counterparts, I searched the country for the right injector, front cover, blower plates, fuel lines(early salvage aircraft or swedged), etc., etc. The list goes on and on. In the end, it's all about how detailed you want to be.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187pm_trailer.jpg
Look at this shot of the "Mouse", the motor parts and details alone would be a challenge...original M/T valve covers, you'd have to get a magnifying glass out to figure out the end plate on the blower(which is magnesium) and the motor mount/front cover, old style Enderle 4-holer, I searched for a year trying to find a blower pulley like that one(note the raised ridge all the way around to help keep the belt on) I found 2 and used them both, probably the same way here, all FinishLine cav plate stuff(how'd they ever set those boats with that horrible turnbuckle angle?). All this and more from one picture. A inside shot of the installation would be mandatory to do this right. Probably rails with holesaw holes cut in about everything to save weight.
I hope I've made my point here, and that is...restoring/re-creating a classic drag or circle boat to "period correct" would be really cool, but also, ALOT of work!

[Rayson64]

Speaking of nostalgic boats.....
I have a 1964 20' Raysoncraft GN/marathon hull #2. This is a sister ship to the Hot Rod boat restored a few years ago with the Allison WWII aircraft engine in it.
It was orginally rigged/raced by John Sofilos with an 1100ci aluminum tank engine in it, then inline 427's. It ran in the Salton Sea 500 and other distance races. Rudy said "Hot Rod" is hull number 1, mine #2 (pink slip to prove it) and AJ Foyt owns hulls 3-8.
I bought it about 10yrs ago with a destroyed deck and the intention of restoring it. Life has gotten in the way including an epoxy allergy that forced me to close my wooden boat building business shortly after buying the boat. I've since taught 10 yrs of high school wood/drafting but still don't have the time/interest/$$$ to restore it. It has tanks, prop/shaft/rudder, cav gear, tandem trailer. Orginal monkey pod mahogany deck is gone but all of the orginal deck support structure is still there. Glass hull is in VERY good condition.
Reality says I'll never get to it so I need to move it on to someone who has the $$$ to restore. I'm open to non insulting offers. The boat is in Chico CA.
Lance

[DUNDUN]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5187pm_trailer.jpg
Look at this shot of the "Mouse", the motor parts and details alone would be a challenge...original M/T valve covers, you'd have to get a magnifying glass out to figure out the end plate on the blower(which is magnesium) and the motor mount/front cover, old style Enderle 4-holer, I searched for a year trying to find a blower pulley like that one(note the raised ridge all the way around to help keep the belt on) I found 2 and used them both, probably the same way here, all FinishLine cav plate stuff(how'd they ever set those boats with that horrible turnbuckle angle?). All this and more from one picture. A inside shot of the installation would be mandatory to do this right. Probably rails with holesaw holes cut in about everything to save weight.
I hope I've made my point here, and that is...restoring/re-creating a classic drag or circle boat to "period correct" would be really cool, but also, ALOT of work!
..but how worth it it must be to finish it and just drool over it.
haulina, it would be cool to follow the 64' resoration.. are you planning on posting pictures as the project goes along? that would be awesome.

[haulina29]

Hallett Flatbottom Kid Yes we will post pictures Jim is doing a awsome job of documentation he sent photos of the first trip to miller etc . He is photographing every step . When he sends the photos of the strut installation and V Drive placement I will post the pictures . We have spent months collecting period pieces no billet of any type from board members ,Bergeron ,Chuck Taylor etc. It has a flat Bell Auto steering wheel ,Nicson long cast steering post in fact all the hardware is Nicson . the Nicson shaft log came from Bergeron and is a duplicate of the original so we didnt have to fill any holes . The Exhaust tips are from Rex and were fabbed to look as close as possible to what we considered original by looking at old photos . Jim is making steel tail pipes that come off the Nicson Manifolds . I received a email from Jim this week saying he is getting ready to build the trailer .There were only a few of these boats made and no way a mint original trailer is any where to be had also thru research we found that there were probably no two alike in 64 they were almost all scratch built . We considered buying a 64 trailer and modifying it but figured there is no point because its not the original anyways . The engine is a standard bore 392 with 6 twos and has 63 Donovan valve covers .Isky solid lifter flat tappet cam, Moon timing cover and a NOS neovane water pump . Anyways we are having a great time doing this boat and cant say enough about Lange and his enthusiasm towards the project . H29

[steve d]

Anyone remember "Eye of the Tiger--SS revenge. Ran across that one persuing my K-boat endeavors. Needs a little glass work , paint etc. Is this to recent to be nostalgic? I believe it has quite a history....Steve

[superdave013]

Some guy rolled into the muffler shop next door the other day with a white 55 vett.
Thing had slicks under cut fenders, straight axle up front with what looked like Halibrands (all the way around). It was sitting up high but higher in the front. A big block with crower injectors with some long tubes and red / blue bells on the top.
The gassers are before my time but when I was a kid drawing pictures it was always of those cars it seemed. I prolly build every gasser model that was out too. Needless to say I droped what I was doing to check out the car.
They said it was the real deal but even if it wasn't it would have still been cool to me.
Don't ask for pics because I didn't have my camera and didn't even think about the one in my cell phone. :rolleyes:

[Moneypitt]

Dennis Myers owned "eye of the tiger" and it was last campained as a PS boat with Marty Ciccori (sp) driving and Jamie Jamison tuning. Beautiful boat, but wrecked sometime in the mid 90s. Marty was a hellofa driver. I'm not sure it is the same boat you are refering to however..........MP

[Dave Sammons]

Hallett Flatbottom Kid Yes we will post pictures Jim is doing a awsome job of documentation he sent photos of the first trip to miller etc . He is photographing every step . When he sends the photos of the strut installation and V Drive placement I will post the pictures . We have spent months collecting period pieces no billet of any type from board members ,Bergeron ,Chuck Taylor etc. It has a flat Bell Auto steering wheel ,Nicson long cast steering post in fact all the hardware is Nicson . the Nicson shaft log came from Bergeron and is a duplicate of the original so we didnt have to fill any holes . The Exhaust tips are from Rex and were fabbed to look as close as possible to what we considered original by looking at old photos . Jim is making steel tail pipes that come off the Nicson Manifolds . I received a email from Jim this week saying he is getting ready to build the trailer .There were only a few of these boats made and no way a mint original trailer is any where to be had also thru research we found that there were probably no two alike in 64 they were almost all scratch built . We considered buying a 64 trailer and modifying it but figured there is no point because its not the original anyways . The engine is a standard bore 392 with 6 twos and has 63 Donovan valve covers .Isky solid lifter flat tappet cam, Moon timing cover and a NOS neovane water pump . Anyways we are having a great time doing this boat and cant say enough about Lange and his enthusiasm towards the project . H29
There is no question that you guys are doing this one right! :cool: Most people aren't willing to take the time/effort/money to bring one back as originally built. Can't wait to see it!

[steve d]

Dennis Myers owned "eye of the tiger" and it was last campained as a PS boat with Marty Ciccori (sp) driving and Jamie Jamison tuning. Beautiful boat, but wrecked sometime in the mid 90s. Marty was a hellofa driver. I'm not sure it is the same boat you are refering to however..........MP
M.P.---right on. As of two or three years ago he still had it. Gave me the low down on its last race----Little mishap. Dennis and I hooked up for a day. I had located "Mickeys Revenge", a "B" --K-boat owned by Dockery. He wanted the engine, I wanted the hull---Didn't work out.

[DUNDUN]

Hallett Flatbottom Kid Yes we will post pictures Jim is doing a awsome job of documentation he sent photos of the first trip to miller etc . He is photographing every step . When he sends the photos of the strut installation and V Drive placement I will post the pictures . We have spent months collecting period pieces no billet of any type from board members ,Bergeron ,Chuck Taylor etc. It has a flat Bell Auto steering wheel ,Nicson long cast steering post in fact all the hardware is Nicson . the Nicson shaft log came from Bergeron and is a duplicate of the original so we didnt have to fill any holes . The Exhaust tips are from Rex and were fabbed to look as close as possible to what we considered original by looking at old photos . Jim is making steel tail pipes that come off the Nicson Manifolds . I received a email from Jim this week saying he is getting ready to build the trailer .There were only a few of these boats made and no way a mint original trailer is any where to be had also thru research we found that there were probably no two alike in 64 they were almost all scratch built . We considered buying a 64 trailer and modifying it but figured there is no point because its not the original anyways . The engine is a standard bore 392 with 6 twos and has 63 Donovan valve covers .Isky solid lifter flat tappet cam, Moon timing cover and a NOS neovane water pump . Anyways we are having a great time doing this boat and cant say enough about Lange and his enthusiasm towards the project . H29
rad! you guys are definitely doing it right. my dad used to have a white 64' hallett..the previous owner tinkered with the transom and made the hull alot weaker.. it didnt act like a hallett.. it didnt even look like a hallett from the seats back. but yeah it was still a good little ski boat.

[Unlimar]

undefinedSpeaking of nostalgic boats.....
I have a 1964 20' Raysoncraft GN/marathon hull #2. This is a sister ship to the Hot Rod boat restored a few years ago with the Allison WWII aircraft engine in it.
It was orginally rigged/raced by John Sofilos with an 1100ci aluminum tank engine in it, then inline 427's. It ran in the Salton Sea 500 and other distance races. Rudy said "Hot Rod" is hull number 1, mine #2 (pink slip to prove it) and AJ Foyt owns hulls 3-8.
I bought it about 10yrs ago with a destroyed deck and the intention of restoring it. Life has gotten in the way including an epoxy allergy that forced me to close my wooden boat building business shortly after buying the boat. I've since taught 10 yrs of high school wood/drafting but still don't have the time/interest/$$$ to restore it. It has tanks, prop/shaft/rudder, cav gear, tandem trailer. Orginal monkey pod mahogany deck is gone but all of the orginal deck support structure is still there. Glass hull is in VERY good condition.
Reality says I'll never get to it so I need to move it on to someone who has the $$$ to restore. I'm open to non insulting offers. The boat is in Chico CA.
Lance

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

M.P.---right on. As of two or three years ago he still had it. Gave me the low down on its last race----Little mishap. Dennis and I hooked up for a day. I had located "Mickeys Revenge", a "B" --K-boat owned by Dockery. He wanted the engine, I wanted the hull---Didn't work out.
Eye of the Tiger was flipped in Burley in 98. It was repaired....
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Grich%20in%20K-22%7E0.jpg

[Unlimar]

undefined
Hello Lance,Not sure if you received message.
Give me a call. I can't find your phone number
Unlimited Marine
707-994-8600
John

[steve d]

Eye of the Tiger was flipped in Burley in 98. It was repaired....
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Grich%20in%20K-22%7E0.jpg
Jerry, Is this Dennis Meyer's "EYE of the Tiger"?......Steve

[Western Mag Special]

Any info about the Western Mag Special out there?

[steve d]

Anybody remember the boat called E.T. and driver Jay Ellington. Friend of mine mentioned his name saying he was a shirt-tailed relative. Also ran a "k". Jerry, anyone. Pics, history etc appreciated...Thanks---Steve

[boatguy222]

Anybody remember the boat called E.T. and driver Jay Ellington. Friend of mine mentioned his name saying he was a shirt-tailed relative. Also ran a "k". Jerry, anyone. Pics, history etc appreciated...Thanks---Steve
That was a cool boat! Val wheeler was tuning that boat. and they had the best t-shirts around. Jerry has some good pictures of it!

[steve d]

Jerry, Is this Dennis Meyer's "EYE of the Tiger"?......Steve
Bump

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Bump
It was... :cool:

[steve d]

It was... :cool:
Would have been cool to see this as it was..my 02..thanks-Steve

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Would have been cool to see this as it was..my 02..thanks-Steve
Are you saying you don't like what John did with it?
as it was parker 94...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Wild%20V-Drives%20012.jpg

[steve d]

Are you saying you don't like what John did with it?
as it was parker 94...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Wild%20V-Drives%20012.jpg
Nope, not saying that at all. Looks bitchin to me. I'm only saying, if my memory serves me, when I was in Meyers garage about 4 or 5 years ago, I thought it had some airbrush work on it. I may have lost it--wouldn't be the first time. The side of the boat had just been fixed and no paint. Who ended up painting it?...Steve

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Nope, not saying that at all. Looks bitchin to me. I'm only saying, if my memory serves me, when I was in Meyers garage about 4 or 5 years ago, I thought it had some airbrush work on it. I may have lost it--wouldn't be the first time. The side of the boat had just been fixed and no paint. Who ended up painting it?...Steve
I think the Harts probably did.

[steve d]

I think the Harts probably did.
Thanks Jerry ...........Steve

[steve d]

Anybody find anything lately............. Circle or Drag?

[Moneypitt]

[QUOTE]I'm only saying, if my memory serves me, when I was in Meyers garage about 4 or 5 years ago, I thought it had some airbrush work on it.[]
I may be wrong here, but I seem to recall that Marty was the artist that did the deck..........Whoever did it, it was awesome.........MP

[steve d]

[QUOTE]I'm only saying, if my memory serves me, when I was in Meyers garage about 4 or 5 years ago, I thought it had some airbrush work on it.[]
I may be wrong here, but I seem to recall that Marty was the artist that did the deck..........Whoever did it, it was awesome.........MP
Yes it was. I feel fortunate to have seen it. Denni offered to sell it to me.
Damn ...should have bought it.
Story to tell:
That same day Dennis and I went to buy the "Traffic Cone" from Darryl Dockery. Wanted way too much for what it was and at the time.
Thank God we didn't buy it. Tony and Ty have put on a great show with it.

[FlatStupid]

Bring out all that perfect stuff so that drag racer guy can bounce off it with National # 1 the Cone! Ya that's right we are braggin'.:D

[FlatStupid]

M.P.---right on. As of two or three years ago he still had it. Gave me the low down on its last race----Little mishap. Dennis and I hooked up for a day. I had located "Mickeys Revenge", a "B" --K-boat owned by Dockery. He wanted the engine, I wanted the hull---Didn't work out. This would now be the K known as the Cone alive and well and kickin a little tail!

[the real k-boat king]

Funny you'd bring this boat up. Dave Sammons and I were talking about this very boat on Sunday. Jerry is doing the Honcho K-32 back to it's day. I'm doing one for Don Christy Jr (Mr.Big Stuff PC-64) back to it's record setting originality. So it's on.... There's lots of Sanger's and Hondo's out there that can be re-done. We have to start somewhere and what a cool way to get together. There's so much talent on these boards along with information I can't see it going anyway but up. Gordy should buy a Sanger circle boat and do it like the Liberty K-69 his dad drove. That would be way bitchen. They may not bring the money of a street rod but it's not about the money. There's nothing like a cool retro flat or hydro. Hands down winner over a car any day!!!!billy my dad's old sanger is in orange but the guy won't sell it to me.:idea:

[Jetboatguru]

billy my dad's old sanger is in orange but the guy won't sell it to me.:idea:
Did you tell him who your are?

[WILDERTHANU]

Some guy rolled into the muffler shop next door the other day with a white 55 vett.
Thing had slicks under cut fenders, straight axle up front with what looked like Halibrands (all the way around). It was sitting up high but higher in the front. A big block with crower injectors with some long tubes and red / blue bells on the top.
WOW.. that sounds a lot like this Vette.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/WILDERTHANU/IMG_0654.jpg

[TRG]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/WILDERTHANU/IMG_0654.jpg[/QUOTE]
This past summer i ran into this vette @ the corner of orangethorpe and 57 Northbound, the guy and i were @ the light, right before the underpass (heading west on orangethorpe) he dropped the hammer and damn near came right into my lane, as the ass-end of the car fishtailed! it has some bump to it, and pretty damn impressive!...Oh!, and his passenger did'nt know what hit him as they left the line:devil: ! LOL
BADASS!

[steveo143]

A friend of mine Franky and Andy Hertbert are starting to bring back to life TFH "Red Baron" that I found on e-bay last summer. It had been in a barn in Wisconsin for years. Hope to be ready for Father's Day at CFW.

[steve d]

Bring out all that perfect stuff so that drag racer guy can bounce off it with National # 1 the Cone! Ya that's right we are braggin'.:D
Well............."Mickey finally gets his Revenge"!

[lucky]

This 1959 biatch just got restored... :crossx:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/217PARKER_3.jpg
tell whom ever Restored it - forgot to put the breather /puke tank lines on it -- maybe they will get it Right with plan C lmao -- good morning Mr Plumber :) :D

[steve d]

A friend of mine Franky and Andy Hertbert are starting to bring back to life TFH "Red Baron" that I found on e-bay last summer. It had been in a barn in Wisconsin for years. Hope to be ready for Father's Day at CFW.
Have any pics stevo?...............

[r&r racing]

Does anyone have pics of what the Eye of the Tiger looked like before it was painted. I would sure like to check them out if they do.

[MAXIMUS]

Does anybody remember "Gummys Ghost"??? When I was pissing in my diapers that boat was thundering down the strip at the 9 hr enduros of the 70's... As a young maximus I was in awww of that boat. White hydro with a big block chevy black headers sticking out the cowling etc... I heard the owner eventually was killed in the boat...:(
Lucky take your hands out of your pants & quit sniffing dog shit!:rolleyes:

[gn7]

well maxi, I don't know if the driver ( Bob Ellis ) was driving the ghost when died a a Parker nine hour but the owner (Marion Beaver) is very much still alive last I heard. I do know he was driving one of Marion's boats but I believe it was a four point hydro and the gummie was a three. A very good friend of mine, Ken Thompson, dad (Wayne)use to drive Uncle Gummie, there was also a Awful Gummie. I have a way cool pencil drawing, very professional of one of the gummies, I will dig it out and post asap. Wayne Thompson was paralized from the neck down in his own hydro Going Thing in San Diego 1969 and past away approx. 5-6 years ago

[FlatStupid]

Let's see Maxi pissin in his diapers!! Just last week yeehaw brotha sorry I missed in LA see ya at Irvine.:D Is your K boat done yet homo???:D

[gn7]

he had to be young enough to piss in his diapers because NONE of the Gummies were powered by Chevies, Marion Beaver is (was) the owner of Parker Motors FORD and would never put a chevy in one of his boats. They just ran like big block 120 and change with small block Fords the biggest was 280 cid. But then we always knew that MAXI was never the sharpest tool in the shed.

[MAXIMUS]

Let's see Maxi pissin in his diapers!! Just last week yeehaw brotha sorry I missed in LA see ya at Irvine.:D Is your K boat done yet homo???:D
I heard I had a good time at the awards... I also heard the rest of my crew had a good time... I haven't been able to see the high lights yet???:jawdrop: Yea the k boat is done & ready...:rolleyes: I also built a blown fuel hydro for kicks...:devil: Now beat it!:devil:

[FlatStupid]

Wow as usual you have been busy! :D

[FlatRacer]

Being a NYC kid, my ONLY exposure to these boats was in the few issues of Powerboat magazine I stumbled upon at the local candy store magazine rack. The one picture that I daydreamed about, drooled, and fawned over was that of a Hondo UFF "Frantic Rat".
I remember the issue, November 1972, and I remember most of the caption: "Driven by Wayne Mettler, owned by Bob and Mona Watts of Reno, Nevada". I believe it won the '72 NDBA nationals in UFF.
That one black and white picture is forever burned into my memory; the white hull with the spear strip along the sides, the chromed injector stacks, the way the zoomies flared from the flange to the tips, the no nonsense deck (no bubble like the Sangers, and before the days of the T-deck). JUST PERFECT!
Anyone got pics of that one?
Eric