Ilmor 710

[F26]

where can i look at it? Does anyone have a link?

[Blacksheep]

The first official advertisement I saw was in the latest ***boat that came last week or the week before. That is the only place I have seen it mentioned. As of then it wasn't even on Ilmor's website.

[TOBTEK]

tough choice! for about the same $$$ you can get Teague 800 EFI's. The TCM motors require less room, so you have more interior room in a F29, 32 doesnt matter with the fixed bulk head. Know of 3 buddies that have new 800's from TCM and they are PERFECT! run like stock 496's. On the other front in the Ilmor camp.....seems like they have some issues this last year??

[Beer-30]

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hennesseyperformance/index.php

[NashvilleBound]

It will be unveiled at the boat show in Florida.

[Boatlesss]

tough choice! for about the same $$$ you can get Teague 800 EFI's. The TCM motors require less room, so you have more interior room in a F29, 32 doesnt matter with the fixed bulk head. Know of 3 buddies that have new 800's from TCM and they are PERFECT! run like stock 496's. On the other front in the Ilmor camp.....seems like they have some issues this last year??
Doesn't look like Teague will be pushing the Ilmor's then

[TOBTEK]

Doesn't look like Teague will be pushing the Ilmor's then
SURE HE WILL. the Ilmor is a good motor. difference strokes for different peeps ya know.

[SnakeWrench]

We have one in a 290 here at the shop. If you want to come take a look at it, give me a call.
Jay
(909)482-0047

[F26]

guess my hot boat mag didnt make it
my TCM800s are already built .... just curious

[Boatlesss]

SURE HE WILL. the Ilmor is a good motor. difference strokes for different peeps ya know.
Yea but if Teague will sell his 800 for less than the price of a 710 Ilmor, then why would the public/builder pay a premium?
The Ilmor has a list price in the high 40's
Teague sells his 800 to the OEM for 30K. Hard to pass up $10K savings or $20K when buying in pairs on the skinny side.

[INSman]

We have one in a 290 here at the shop. If you want to come take a look at it, give me a call.
Jay
(909)482-0047
Is that 290 an Open Bow ?? :idea:

[steet]

Yea but if Teague will sell his 800 for less than the price of a 710 Ilmor, then why would the public/builder pay a premium?
The Ilmor has a list price in the high 40's
Teague sells his 800 to the OEM for 30K. Hard to pass up $10K savings or $20K when buying in pairs on the skinny side.
I would probably go with the Ilmors anyway. 700EFI at 500lbs or 1000 lbs lighter if twins and more fuel efficient than the 800's would tend to push me toward the Ilmors. 1000lbs would be worth probably 50 to 60 hp or better per engine.

[Boatlesss]

I would probably go with the Ilmors anyway. 700EFI at 500lbs or 1000 lbs lighter if twins and more fuel efficient than the 800's would tend to push me toward the Ilmors. 1000lbs would be worth probably 50 to 60 hp or better per engine.
I do not know where 500 lb/ea. came from but an Ilmor has a weight of roughly 800 lbs. ea. but that is with headers.
A BBC with a blower and no headers is roughly 950 lbs.
Torque moves the boats, and I would prefer anything over a Teague product, but the torque difference would be the faster engine.

[convincor]

We just got in a 33 Daytona w/710's. It will be at the Ft. Lauderdale show
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/22285090412_10.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/22285090412_2.jpg

[andy01]

710 With a Bravo style drive. Whywould anybody even think about buying this package? if I was buying/building as STOCK TURN KEY WARRANTY motor setup I wouldn't look at anything but a 700 Merc. with an NXT drive hooked to it. What a great package and a decent price. Myself I wouldn't bother with any of it and go to GT Performance and buy one of his turn key 950 setups.
Andy

[grads2112]

[QUOTE=convincor]We just got in a 33 Daytona w/710's. It will be at the Ft. Lauderdale show
What kind of speeds are expecting to see in this thing?

[Chromegorilla]

Lighter, 800lbs with headers vs over 1000lbs for a blown BBC with headers.... 200-400lb savings....... N/A vs blown...... closed cooling.... not too many large blower motors with that......
But someone already mentioned it..... Downfall of the new 710 is there is not an appropriate drive for it available, except maybe some arensons or weismans. The NXT would be great..... if you could buy one..... :mad:

[Chromegorilla]

A BBC with whipples requires less room? Maybe front to back, but not height wise...

[convincor]

red line is 6300, we only ran the boat to 5300 and saw 125 :cry:

[Patyacht]

Yea but if Teague will sell his 800 for less than the price of a 710 Ilmor, then why would the public/builder pay a premium?
The Ilmor has a list price in the high 40's
Teague sells his 800 to the OEM for 30K. Hard to pass up $10K savings or $20K when buying in pairs on the skinny side.
Another thing to keep in the equation is where you're boating and the support structure cus they're going to break sometime.

[Fast Freddy]

We just got in a 33 Daytona w/710's. It will be at the Ft. Lauderdale show
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/22285090412_10.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/22285090412_2.jpg
whats the compression ratio of these engines? also how many cubic inches?

[MR HARLEY]

710 With a Bravo style drive. Whywould anybody even think about buying this package?
But someone already mentioned it..... Downfall of the new 710 is there is not an appropriate drive for it available, except maybe some arensons or weismans. The NXT would be great
This is just a question so please be gentle. :D
Why cant the Platinum teague drive handle it, its rated up to 900hp as so im told. :)
Am I missing something? :)

[Chromegorilla]

This is just a question so please be gentle. :D
Why cant the Platinum teague drive handle it, its rated up to 900hp as so im told. :)
Am I missing something? :)
Just a matter of time.....

[Kilrtoy]

Word on the street is a 30 daytona with a pair of these 710's just ran 140MPH, with either Bob or Tony driving it....

[andy01]

Word on the street is a 30 daytona with a pair of these 710's just ran 140MPH, with either Bob or Tony driving it....
So I see you have been talking to the good people over at Eliminator........ congrats you will be very happy with a Daytona. They build a great boat. :) You building a new 36' Coupe? They have some really nice stuff on the market right now.
Andy

[andy01]

This is just a question so please be gentle. :D
Why cant the Platinum teague drive handle it, its rated up to 900hp as so im told. :)
Am I missing something? :)
It depends on your driving habits, if you go easy on the drive taking off and cruising you will get a decent amout of hours out of it. If you run the boat like you stole it you will put drives on it. Best thing to do is pull the drive every 50 hours and have it checked and maybe put gears in it if you feel you have been hard on it.
Andy

[MR HARLEY]

It depends on your driving habits, if you go easy on the drive taking off and cruising you will get a decent amout of hours out of it. If you run the boat like you stole it you will put drives on it. Best thing to do is pull the drive every 50 hours and have it checked and maybe put gears in it if you feel you have been hard on it.
Andy
Thanks Andy. :)

[Kilrtoy]

So I see you have been talking to the good people over at Eliminator........ congrats you will be very happy with a Daytona. They build a great boat. :) You building a new 36' Coupe? They have some really nice stuff on the market right now.
Andy
Actually the better half gets all the inside scoops...
and she does not want a daytona, unless TONY comes up with a KILLER(so pun intended) Smoking deal....

[Boatlesss]

It depends on your driving habits, if you go easy on the drive taking off and cruising you will get a decent amout of hours out of it. If you run the boat like you stole it you will put drives on it. Best thing to do is pull the drive every 50 hours and have it checked and maybe put gears in it if you feel you have been hard on it.
Andy
I cannot see why someone would consider this a normal boating setup.
Use it but don't really use it, and make friends with a good mechanic as you are going to need him every 50 hrs min.
Go for an Arneson.

[andy01]

Go for an Arneson.
Yeah that a great set up these days, I hear they are giving killer deals on them........ :frown:
I always wanted to do one, but after the recent events I am affraid of insurance and other things.

[convincor]

Yes the NXT will be a great set up-when they get the tranny problems fixed. :rolleyes:
710 With a Bravo style drive. Whywould anybody even think about buying this package? if I was buying/building as STOCK TURN KEY WARRANTY motor setup I wouldn't look at anything but a 700 Merc. with an NXT drive hooked to it. What a great package and a decent price. Myself I wouldn't bother with any of it and go to GT Performance and buy one of his turn key 950 setups.
Andy

[convincor]

Don't have specs in writing, but I was told the compression and cubes are the same as the 625. They upgraded the crank,rods,pistons,and heads in the 710.
whats the compression ratio of these engines? also how many cubic inches?

[Fast Freddy]

Don't have specs in writing, but I was told the compression and cubes are the same as the 625. They upgraded the crank,rods,pistons,and heads in the 710.
doesn't make sense because the 625 is 505 CI's with 9.6:1 compression ratio and that already has bigger than stock heads on it with a cam upgrade. there is no way you can get 710 HP out of this motor without a bump in compression ratio to a minimum of 11:1 and or an increase in displacement via bore or stroke with a BIG cam.
does anybody know if this motor will run on 91 octane? because if it does then the compression ratio can't be more than 10.2:1 assuming it still utilizes the stock 505 CI displacement.
one thing is for sure if this engine creates peak HP at 6,000 rpm's then the cam is way BIGGER than the cam in the 625 because that motor makes peak HP at 5,400 rpm's. that bein the case this would neccesitate a rather large increase in compression ratio and more than likely no increase in displacement whatsoever.
i know that there are some new heads out for these motors that flow like 325 cfm on the intake side and like 250 cfm on the exhaust side. that must be the heads they are using. they come with 2.10 intake valves and 1.60 exhaust valves. these heads are bein used for high compression applications of like 12:1 on viper road race cars. the cam that they use on these engines makes peak hp at 6,000 rpm's. its got alot of duration and as a result the low end torque suffers alot which would not be good in a marine application.
i bet this new 710 motor more than likely has recieved an increase in stroke and maybe bore as well. this would allow them to make more power and still run on 91 octane.

[Raylar]

Even though the 710 powerband rpm range has been extended up considerably over 6000rpms, I would speculate that more cubuc inches are needed, possibly from a slightly larger bore. You get a lot more cubes quicker with bore than stroke and in a V-10 it adds up quickly.
By the way in the picture of the boat equipped with those 710"s I beleive those are IMCO SC1000 drives hang'in on the back, these will easily take the 700HP and 600 ft/lbs of torque these motors generate.
Ray @ Raylar

[my21advantage]

A little birdie told me that Eliminator was testing a Daytona earlier this week in Havasu with the new viper's.
I know one of the motor had a problem and they had to drop a new one in...

[Kilrtoy]

A little birdie told me that Eliminator was testing a Daytona earlier this week in Havasu with the new viper's.
I know one of the motor had a problem and they had to drop a new one in...
You just heard that today, That is so 2 days ago... :boxed: