Interesting 911 take...

[Napanutt]

This is kind of long,but if true...
(Note:I'm NOT one of those conspiracy theorists...but interesting none-the-less)
911 take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8)

[WetWillie]

I dont get it.. You really believe that?????
1. You really believe that if you were on a plane and 4 guys jump up with box cutters and what looks like a bomb straped to theme you are going to get up and beat them with your lugagge???
2. Have they really interviewed these guys after 911? I work alot but I cant believe I missed this if it really did happen??
3. Who do they think flew those planes into the towers? Do you really believe that the theory is more realistic that they found 8 pilots that had the skills and knowledge to fly a airliner and talked them into doing this??
I dont get it! Maybe Uncle Sam knew about it earlier then we thought or got some clues early but do you REALLY think they planned and did this?? :argue:

[Napanutt]

Did you not read this...
(Note:I'm NOT one of those conspiracy theorists...but interesting none-the-less)
911 take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8)
I'm conservative for the most part,I vote republican (most of the time) but I found this some what interesting.Didn't sat I believe any of it,but piqued my interest...

[SmokinLowriderSS]

This is kind of long,but if true...
(Note:I'm NOT one of those conspiracy theorists...but interesting none-the-less)
911 take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8)
Oh good gawd. Another one ....... Jeeeezzzzzz.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

James Henry Fetzer (born December 6, 1940 in Pasadena, California) is an American philosopher and Distinguished McKnight University Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth. He is also known for his advocacy of conspiracy theories.
Keep in mind he's a PHILOSOPHER, NOT a Demolitions expert, OR an engineer.
Fetzer's worldview is that of a constant right-wing threat to the country (notably, none of his alternate theories to historical events involve manipulation or misdeeds by progressive or radical leftist groups: Fetzer's research assumes these groups are always the victim of extraordinary, almost needlessly-elaborate conservative chicanery.
Fetzer maintains that John F. Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a planned and precisely executed conspiracy, which included altering the autopsy X-rays, substituting another brain, and recreating the Zapruder film using sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects.
Fetzer supports the assertion that the U.S. government orchestrated the September 11, 2001 attacks for political and economical gain and that World Trade Center One and Two were destroyed using a novel form of controlled demolition from the top down, while World Trade Center Seven was brought down by a conventional controlled demolition from the bottom
Brent Blanchard on the other hand, is an explosive demolitions expert.
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
Fetzer also believes the hijacking were staged and that calls from passengers to relatives and operaters were phony.
Fetzer has co-authored a book in which the authors argue that Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone's death in a airplane crash was not accidental but resulted from a small-scale conspiracy to ensure Republican control of the Senate.
He's a nutball, and as such, deserves ZERO credibility or note. End of story.

[Napanutt]

I've never heard of this Fetzer guy,just watched the said video on you-tube,thought it was interesting,presented it here for discussion,etc.
Sorry...won't let it happen again...

[deltaAce]

Just watched it, Why does it sound like he's at a comedy club. He does not sound crediable. You dont make those damning statements of such magnitude, with a comical overtone. He's a fool! And so are the entire room full of people who laughed & applauded.

[wolfie]

James Henry Fetzer (born December 6, 1940 in Pasadena, California) is an American philosopher and Distinguished McKnight University Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth. He is also known for his advocacy of conspiracy theories.
Keep in mind he's a PHILOSOPHER, NOT a Demolitions expert, OR an engineer.
Fetzer's worldview is that of a constant right-wing threat to the country (notably, none of his alternate theories to historical events involve manipulation or misdeeds by progressive or radical leftist groups: Fetzer's research assumes these groups are always the victim of extraordinary, almost needlessly-elaborate conservative chicanery.
Fetzer maintains that John F. Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a planned and precisely executed conspiracy, which included altering the autopsy X-rays, substituting another brain, and recreating the Zapruder film using sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects.
Fetzer supports the assertion that the U.S. government orchestrated the September 11, 2001 attacks for political and economical gain and that World Trade Center One and Two were destroyed using a novel form of controlled demolition from the top down, while World Trade Center Seven was brought down by a conventional controlled demolition from the bottom
Brent Blanchard on the other hand, is an explosive demolitions expert.
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
Fetzer also believes the hijacking were staged and that calls from passengers to relatives and operaters were phony.
Fetzer has co-authored a book in which the authors argue that Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone's death in a airplane crash was not accidental but resulted from a small-scale conspiracy to ensure Republican control of the Senate.
He's a nutball, and as such, deserves ZERO credibility or note. End of story.
Hey Smokin'
You need to give this to Blown472. I think this might be his next post.

[WetWillie]

I just didn’t find one thing about it interesting or credible! What did you find interesting about it?
I've never heard of this Fetzer guy,just watched the said video on you-tube,thought it was interesting,presented it here for discussion,etc.
Sorry...won't let it happen again...

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Hey Smokin'
You need to give this to Blown472. I think this might be his next post.
I already did, yesterday. Was why I was so fresh on it. LOL
He started a thread pushing the paper on the explosive demolition driven colapse put out by a professor of Metal-catalyzed Fusion and Solar Energy from BYU. Fetzer's "co-starter" of "The Scholars For Truth".
Blown was not pleased at the appearance of reality ..... again.
Seems to be a LOT of "educated" people in that group speaking on things that are nowhere even close to the specialty they study and research in.

[Devil's Advocate]

Just watched it, Why does it sound like he's at a comedy club. He does not sound crediable. You dont make those damning statements of such magnitude, with a comical overtone. He's a fool! And so are the entire room full of people who laughed & applauded.
I agree about the inapproriate tone and forum, but still interesting perspective. Interesting to me, period.

[homelessinaz]

I've never heard of this Fetzer guy,just watched the said video on you-tube,thought it was interesting,presented it here for discussion,etc.
Sorry...won't let it happen again...
An open mind is a sign of intellect, yet no one in this room seems to want to hear anything other than the government approved version, and all talk of any other possible explanations is quickly deemed heresy,
It's really amazing; in some dictatorships the dictator himself has to oppress people to keep them in line, but W has you all trained to shun the non-believers for him.
Good work.

[4DAY4PLAY]

homelessinaz, after reading all 19 of your posts, I can catagorically state with 99% certanty that you are a total waste of whatever ran down your daddies legs... That's right, daddies not daddy's. I don't think this is perhaps the correct venue for your lame opinions so why don't you just leave?
Rio
I second that....he's the load that should of been swallowed

[deltaAce]

homelessinaz, come join us in Political Rhetoric for some good exchanges of oppinions. BTW communisim has never worked anywhere. How can you live in the USA & enjoy all of it's benifits & become a comunist, thats foul! Also I never really liked the type of people to suck up for grant money pretending their study will benifit us all. It's a scam. I bet your group has some interesting discussions.
P.S. Does anyone remember the episode where Hank & Bobby Hill go to their favorite camping place & it had been taken over by the "hippies"?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

An open mind is a sign of intellect.
True, quite true.
yet no one in this room seems to want to hear anything other than the government approved version, and all talk of any other possible explanations is quickly deemed heresy,
Any other possibilities have been crushed by experts in the fields.
If an expert in Demolitions tells me how it was blown, I'll listen.
If an expert in Structural Engineering tells me how it was impossible for the govt version to happen, I'll listen.
If a PHILOSOPHER, who just happens to also be well known for adhering to crazy conspiracy ideas, tells me that he knows more than the demolitions and engineering experts in THEIR OWN FIELDS, AND HE CANNOT PROVE IT, he's a nut. He's off his rocker, and I am going to file him away as such.
It's really amazing; in some dictatorships the dictator himself has to oppress people to keep them in line, but W has you all trained to shun the non-believers for him.
Good work.
Care to take another stab at that one, before I ask you how the Kool-aid is?
The "explosive demolition" theory of the WTC towers HAS SHOWN ZERO VALIDITY. THAT is why I shun it. If you have counter proof, that has not already been disproven, I would love to see it.
A jet, LARGE jet, airliner, hit WTC towers at arround 500 MPH.
Each jet, weighed arround 400,000 pounds That's 200 TONS, moving 500 MPH
The jet damaged many of the suport colums of the buildings while destroying itself on the way in. Both on the perimiter AND the core supports.
23,000 gallons of kerosene started a fire, a DAMN BIG fire.
By the time the fuel burned out, the carpeting was on fire.
The cieling tile was on fire
The cubicles were on fire
The desks were on fire
The wallboard and coverings were on fire
Pretty much anything flamable in the building in those areas caught fire, and burned, just like a house does.
The airplane crash damaged the water supply to the fire supression system.
Steel melts above 2,700*F
Steel loses 50% of it's strength by 1,000*F
Steel loses 90% of it's strength by 1,800*F
Many areas of the fire were above 1,000*F for a loooong time.
The floor joists got hot, softened, and sagged from the weight of the concrete floor, and the 200 tons of airplane, which it was never designed to support, pulling in on the outer colums (photos show this).
Once the floors pulled hard enough, the steel snapped (photos show the snapped outer colums, JUST before it fell).
Once 1 floor buckled and dropped 8 feet to the next one under the damage, the heat weakening, AND THE WEIGHT OF THE BUILDING ATOP IT, there was no stopping it.
It fell several secconds SLOWER THAN "FREE-FALL", which is proven in photos, videotape, and seismographic evidence. Debris from the SIDE of the building fall faster than the floors pancaking their way down.
The conspiracy bunch are in denial of reality.
They make an accusation, with ZERO PROOF to back it up.
The official version, is HEAVILLY SUPPORTED BY EVIDENCE, literally, TONS of evidence.
The conspiracy version has to DENY THE EVIDENCE AND ACCUSE IT OF BEING FAKED.
Once the evidence is in, there is NO REASON to further support "alternate versions of events".
To continue supporting these theories is akin to saying that our locak serial killer "The BTK Strangler", even though he confessed, even tho we have DNA evidence placing him there, even tho we have things he took from the crime scenes found in his possession, EVEN THO WE HAVE A TRUCKLOAD OF EVIDENCE, maybe he didn't really do it.

[bigq]

An open mind is a sign of intellect, yet no one in this room seems to want to hear anything other than the government approved version, and all talk of any other possible explanations is quickly deemed heresy,
It's really amazing; in some dictatorships the dictator himself has to oppress people to keep them in line, but W has you all trained to shun the non-believers for him.
Good work.
There has been countless discussions on this and the conclusion is far from heresay. A lot of people want to believe it was something more then just what it was. Unfortunately you still think it is about Bush, just another hater, so the math and science won't mean crap to you.

[homelessinaz]

homelessinaz, come join us in Political Rhetoric for some good exchanges of oppinions. BTW communisim has never worked anywhere. How can you live in the USA & enjoy all of it's benifits & become a comunist, thats foul! Also I never really liked the type of people to suck up for grant money pretending their study will benifit us all. It's a scam. I bet your group has some interesting discussions.
P.S. Does anyone remember the episode where Hank & Bobby Hill go to their favorite camping place & it had been taken over by the "hippies"?
I get the idea that the Political Rhetoric section would basically just be a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves about whether Sean Hannity could Beat up Rush Limbaugh, but I guess I'll check it out.
As far as Communism never working, when was it ever given a chance to work without being thwarted by outside pressure? From 1945 forward America has done everything in its power to bring down the Soviet Union, and the U.S. has worked against Communism everywhere else it has been tried (South America, Southeast Asia, etc).
Couldn't we just give it a chance, just to see what happens? What are we so afraid of?
I remember being indoctrinated by my own father about the ,"...commies who wanna make you a state slave and keep you from Jeezus...", and so many others in my young life in the 80's, all of whom were able to convince me that there was actually an "EVIL EMPIRE" (my god that sounds like a frikin comic book!), where people were born and lived and died with nothing on their mind other than killing Americans and taking the world over! Come to find out after the wall came down that these were just average folks who wanted all the same things we wanted...it's crazy.
I am a Communist because I believe in the brotherhood of man. You can point to Communist failures all day long, and 50 years from now, if we're both still alive, (most likely thanks to Hillary Clinton and a sensible system of socialized healthcare for all), I will be glad to point to the largest failure of Capitalism ever, which will no doubt be the fall of the United States of America. This can't last forever, and when it finally falls, I will be kind enough to NOT say I told you so.
You ask me how I dare reap the benefits of American Citizenship (grants, tuition, etc) and at the same time extoll the virtues of Communism? I am sorry, but your Constitution tells me that I am free to hold any ideological viewpoint I choose to...right? That's, "...what makes America SO great..." right?
Basically, your Constitution and this whole American system leads right to...
COMMUNISM!!!
Look at it, it's all around you!
My grant...COMMUNIST!
Your local Commun(ity) Hospital...COMMUNIST!
Your likely next President (Hillary Rodham-Clinton)...(oh god I love this)...COMMUNIST!!!
The MILITARY THAT YOU LOVE SO MUCH!!! IT'S COMMUNIST!!!
Don't believe me? I did my graduate level thesis paper on the similarities between a communist society and a military base! THE MILITARY YOU RIGHTIES LOVE SO MUCH COULD NOT SURVIVE IF IT DID NOT ADHERE TO COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY!!!
This is why, in the words of Nikita, WE WILL BURY YOU!!!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I seriously considered refuting this crap piecemeal, but it's worthless.
Another overeducated "grad student" who'se been educated out of every lick of common sense he ever posessed (which may not have been much to begin with).
Go back to sucking Chomsky, er I mean, studying Chomsky.
Oh, and the Hildabeast is a SOCIALIST by ideolgy, not a communist.
Ok, fire the doorman, he's screwing off letting the loons in here. Put out an add for a new one.

[Red Horse]

I usually dont respond much in here at Smokin has 99% of my answers already, but in your case homeless, I will make an exception.
I am in the Military and it is not Communist. It is more like a totalitarian state. And the words you speak really anger me. I hope you go to one of those commie countries and live the good life. You know you are free to due to the many brave men and women that sacrifice everyday for ****sticks such as yourself. I went to Vietnam recently. Communism has done them real good. Someone that has gone to college for 5 years makes about 100 bucks a month. The police and government officials are corrupt beyond belief. The people are poor. Only about 20% even have air conditioning. Go ahead, get the hell out of my country you sorry piece of shit and take Blown with you.
And have a great day while your at it. :220v: :cool:

[Big Warlock]

unbelievable. I don't have time to deal with such stupidity! I have to work my way into that one!
Rob

[Dribble]

More 911 conspiracy stupidity.

[deltaAce]

Your likely next President (Hillary Rodham-Clinton)...(oh god I love this)...COMMUNIST!!!
The MILITARY THAT YOU LOVE SO MUCH!!! IT'S COMMUNIST!!!
Don't believe me? I did my graduate level thesis paper on the similarities between a communist society and a military base! THE MILITARY YOU RIGHTIES LOVE SO MUCH COULD NOT SURVIVE IF IT DID NOT ADHERE TO COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY!!!
This is why, in the words of Nikita, WE WILL BURY YOU!!!
So your kinda saying that living as a communist is similar to being a private in the army! No personal fredom, no methode available to prove you are smarter than the sargent & take his job. Your only advancement is in the hands of those above you. I'll take free market anyday. Your living in America is like you driving a Ferrari, but you should be driving a Pinto!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

No pinto, a Traban. :yuk:

[jimslade]

Is napanutt blown 472s brother?. Not another theory. I thought we agreed it was Aliens.

[BajaMike]

His reason #5 is BS....I've used a cell phone many times on private jets at 30,000 feet and over 400 mph. :cry:
And Blackberrys work on commercial flights at any altitude anytime you are over a major city.......
:cry:

[homelessinaz]

So your kinda saying that living as a communist is similar to being a private in the army! No personal fredom, no methode available to prove you are smarter than the sargent & take his job. Your only advancement is in the hands of those above you. I'll take free market anyday. Your living in America is like you driving a Ferrari, but you should be driving a Pinto!
You, of course, accentuate the negative aspects of Communism and military life, but my research focused on the positive Communist, and more broadly COLLECTIVIST, aspects of both Communism and military life. In both settings, an individuals status is determined by what the person adds to the COLLECTIVE well being of the whole body. In both Communism and military life, individuals subjegate their own interests (as well as liberties) for the advancement of a common goal. In both settings, authority is absolute and is only granted to those who have shown an understanding of and a committment to the interests of the group. I am trying to help you see that in spite of everything most Americans have been spoon fed about Communism from the time they were born, it is a VERY noble and practical philosophy that shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand, and you can find examples of Collectivist (Communist/Socialist/Marxist) ideology at work in THIS country everywhere, everyday. Look at you COMMUNI(ty) hospital, for example.
Karl Marx, the author of the Communist Manifesto, was famous for this quote,"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
This statement has been called the essence of what Communism should be.
Now pay attention. At the Communi(ty) Hospital, medical care is dispensed to everyone ACCORDING TO THEIR NEED, and payment is made ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY to pay.
Now what could be more Communist than that? Nothing, yet no one seems to have a real issue with the Community Hospital, because no one goes around talking about it as a Communist institution, although it CLEARLY is.
I am just as American as you are, thank you, but I am willing to think freely about things and not just accept what I have been told, "Capitalism and Democracy, GOOD; Collectivism and Communism, BAD!".
Thinking freely...I highly recommend you try it some time. It may scare you, or you might like it.

[deltaAce]

O.K. thanks for your view. I'm not against you as a person, I just think that all of the things that makes American great may not have happened without a free market. Peoples personal desire to be the greatest is what drives development. In a collective, I believe, there are to many people who coast. I believe the only workable form of communisim is where God is the Boss. Can you explain why it takes force (fear) to keep the populance in line? Have you ever read, "The tragedy of the commons"?

[Old Texan]

I am a Communist because I believe in the brotherhood of man.
So communists are Gay?
All you and your mates are doing douche bag, is playing house. The first time someone gets jealous or realizes all the neat materila things they don't want to share, it's over. Federal grants to dipshits like you are just another form of welfare towards non productive members of society. It's a phase boring a-holes like you go through. Next you'll go "kickin'" around Europe and fall in with a muslim "tribe" coming back to haunt the US as a Jihadist warrior and hopefully one of our mean ol' Marines will empty a clip in your sorry asse.
Go away Troll. :mad:

[homelessinaz]

So communists are Gay?
All you and your mates are doing douche bag, is playing house. The first time someone gets jealous or realizes all the neat materila things they don't want to share, it's over. Federal grants to dipshits like you are just another form of welfare towards non productive members of society. It's a phase boring a-holes like you go through. Next you'll go "kickin'" around Europe and fall in with a muslim "tribe" coming back to haunt the US as a Jihadist warrior and hopefully one of our mean ol' Marines will empty a clip in your sorry asse.
Go away Troll. :mad:
I am ashamed that I live in a country where the President is from the same state as you.
If there is a god, I am just as he/she made me; why can't you accept that?

[YeLLowBoaT]

Wasn't Flagg, that crazy CIA guy form the tv show "M*A*S*H*" :rollside:

[YeLLowBoaT]

ok lets attack some of his points...
#10 Any idoit with some cash can get a fake ID and bored a plane under a diffrent name.
#9 Um the impact alone of stoping with in a few hunder feet from 500mph would turn you into mush, lets not forget the full tanks of fuel or the heat generated by the impact.
#8 Do you have DNA proof or just the words of some one?
#7 Its a publicly cirulated list. if that does not make you happy then fine...why would you tip off ppl you are looking for that you are looking for them?
#6 yeah your supose to take a terrorist manuel and a list of terrorist in your bags...you better pray you don't get searched.
#5 The mechanics of flying a plane are very simlar to that of driving car, So if they could drive a car its not a strech to think that with some air time( real or simulated) they could become profesent at seting and holding a corse.
#4 Um that guy was in canada, Its illegal to use a cell phone in a comerical plane in the US, the FAA will not allow it for even testing. Also From the videos of the crashes you can see that they had pretty flat glide path... lets also not forget that cell towers are on top of several hundred foot high buildings... yeah that does nothing to increase thier range...
#3 Actually its not umcomen for a plane to have a recorder that is in/capable of recording conversations in the pasinger department. lets just asumm that they only have one in the cockpit, the walls ina airplane are very thin, its not unreasonable to beleave that the recorder could pick up voice on the other side of a wall( with lots of enhancement it would be very possible)
#2 Don't know, don't care... but, who was this person that said they said the wrong thing? and also was he a member of the extreme end of islam that the terrorist beleaved.
#1 Too much here try to rebut here, but haveing something appear on a report and actually have it read by some one else are two very diffrent things.
I am sure that it was act of terror... do we know the whole story, no, will we ever know the whole story, I doubt it.
#2

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I am ashamed that I live in a country where the President is from the same state as you.
If there is a god, I am just as he/she made me; why can't you accept that?
Then I think you should go reside elsewhere. Oh, and have a nice day.

[jimslade]

I get the idea that the Political Rhetoric section would basically just be a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves about whether Sean Hannity could Beat up Rush Limbaugh, but I guess I'll check it out.
As far as Communism never working, when was it ever given a chance to work without being thwarted by outside pressure? From 1945 forward America has done everything in its power to bring down the Soviet Union, and the U.S. has worked against Communism everywhere else it has been tried (South America, Southeast Asia, etc).
Couldn't we just give it a chance, just to see what happens? What are we so afraid of?
I remember being indoctrinated by my own father about the ,"...commies who wanna make you a state slave and keep you from Jeezus...", and so many others in my young life in the 80's, all of whom were able to convince me that there was actually an "EVIL EMPIRE" (my god that sounds like a frikin comic book!), where people were born and lived and died with nothing on their mind other than killing Americans and taking the world over! Come to find out after the wall came down that these were just average folks who wanted all the same things we wanted...it's crazy.
I am a Communist because I believe in the brotherhood of man. You can point to Communist failures all day long, and 50 years from now, if we're both still alive, (most likely thanks to Hillary Clinton and a sensible system of socialized healthcare for all), I will be glad to point to the largest failure of Capitalism ever, which will no doubt be the fall of the United States of America. This can't last forever, and when it finally falls, I will be kind enough to NOT say I told you so.
You ask me how I dare reap the benefits of American Citizenship (grants, tuition, etc) and at the same time extoll the virtues of Communism? I am sorry, but your Constitution tells me that I am free to hold any ideological viewpoint I choose to...right? That's, "...what makes America SO great..." right?
Basically, your Constitution and this whole American system leads right to...
COMMUNISM!!!
Look at it, it's all around you!
My grant...COMMUNIST!
Your local Commun(ity) Hospital...COMMUNIST!
Your likely next President (Hillary Rodham-Clinton)...(oh god I love this)...COMMUNIST!!!
The MILITARY THAT YOU LOVE SO MUCH!!! IT'S COMMUNIST!!!
Don't believe me? I did my graduate level thesis paper on the similarities between a communist society and a military base! THE MILITARY YOU RIGHTIES LOVE SO MUCH COULD NOT SURVIVE IF IT DID NOT ADHERE TO COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY!!!
This is why, in the words of Nikita, WE WILL BURY YOU!!!
I don't get it, If you think communism is the best form of government, why don't you move to a communist country? It must be a great place to live. NOT! Who let the paranoid whackos out.

[Car 5]

I'm not a conspiracy person either, but I am reading a book right now called, 9/11 Revealed. I'm 3/4 of the way through it and I believe that EVERYONE that has posted on this thread should read this book. The book has really opened my eyes about our government and what they can do and have done. The book has documents in it that prove some very interesting things about our government. Before you bash me or say anything about my post you should spend the $14.00 and a couple nights reading the book and then respond to this post and this thread.

[Old Texan]

I am ashamed that I live in a country where the President is from the same state as you.
If there is a god, I am just as he/she made me; why can't you accept that?
You do not know shame from your arrogant "troll" commentary. What I can accept is the "god" that made you wasn't on his game that day or has a sick sense of humor.
You come in blowing your horn about all the folks on HB being f'd up and how "neat" a deal you and your little troupe have going, expecting us to be in some sort of awe?
I suggest you go paddle your asse back up Shitcreek where you came from.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

ok lets attack some of his points...
#10 Any idoit with some cash can get a fake ID and bored a plane under a diffrent name.
Yep, ask almost any Illegal Mexican, and all you need is that ID to match the ticket.
#9 Um the impact alone of stoping with in a few hunder feet from 500mph would turn you into mush, lets not forget the full tanks of fuel or the heat generated by the impact.
NOBODY coming out of the planes were "autopsied", since there was nothing big enough to autopsy.
There were A LOT of body parts found, most of them, VERY SMALL. Fetzer also DENIES the DNA matching that was done to attempt to ID body parts to insure ID of the deceased. We don't exactly have their family hanging arround here to do a DNA comparison to.
#8 Do you have DNA proof or just the words of some one?
The "live hijackers" are a rumor.
Look in your phone book, Tell me you NEVER see any duplicate names, because there are a TON of them here in mine, and that's one city of 300,000+
4 "A. Carpenter"'s in the Wichita phone book, and I'm not in it.
Steve/n Smith, 21 of them!
I'll bet there's more than 1 Jim Fetzer in the world, but THIS one is an idiot.
#7 Its a publicly cirulated list. if that does not make you happy then fine...why would you tip off ppl you are looking for that you are looking for them?
Exactly. I bet there IS a revised list, being changed constantly, just not handed out on every streetcorner.
#6 yeah your supose to take a terrorist manuel and a list of terrorist in your bags...you better pray you don't get searched.Yep. Another man who is to smart to understand how terrorists operate.
#5 The mechanics of flying a plane are very simlar to that of driving car, So if they could drive a car its not a strech to think that with some air time( real or simulated) they could become profesent at seting and holding a corse.
The only HARD part about flying, is landing, in a controlled manner, so as to not damage the airplane. Maintaining course, altitude, and speed are relatively easy, so is maintaining those untill you run into a building you are aiming for.
#4 Um that guy was in canada, Its illegal to use a cell phone in a comerical plane in the US, the FAA will not allow it for even testing. Also From the videos of the crashes you can see that they had pretty flat glide path... lets also not forget that cell towers are on top of several hundred foot high buildings... yeah that does nothing to increase thier range...
Of course, a cell phone WON'T WORK, directly over a major city, loaded with cell-phone towers. Not to mention the cell-coverage of the eastern seaboard are of the US is HEAVY, towers everywhere. Plenty of blind spots on the ground, but airborne, NO.
Add to that, cell transmissions only travel from phone to tower (and back) at speeds of 186,000 miles/seccond, a wee scad quicker than a 550MPH airplane. (338.18181818 times faster)
There was a time people KNEW thet you couldn't breathe in a car traveling above 55mph either, just wasnt possible.
Stupid, and wrong.
#3 Actually its not umcomen for a plane to have a recorder that is in/capable of recording conversations in the pasinger department. lets just asumm that they only have one in the cockpit, the walls ina airplane are very thin, its not unreasonable to beleave that the recorder could pick up voice on the other side of a wall( with lots of enhancement it would be very possible)
I've never seen a pass. compartment recorder provision in any plane I built. That said, a CVR mic is sufficiently sensetive to easilly record every sound hearable in the cockpit, to easilly include noises, shouting, talking on the other side of the .020" thick Cockpit DOOR!. That door isn't soundproofed, it isn't as thick as a house door, even an interior one. I have, in my career, many times spoken to a person on the other side of an airplane skin, thru the skin, from the inside to the outside of the plane. It's not easy, but it's not that hard.
#2 Don't know, don't care... but, who was this person that said they said the wrong thing? and also was he a member of the extreme end of islam that the terrorist beleaved.
Which is "God is Great", which is about all you ever hear overseas from the terrorists when one of them blows up, from his supporters, "Allah Akbar!", over and over.
#1 Too much here try to rebut here, but haveing something appear on a report and actually have it read by some one else are two very diffrent things.
That failure to come foreward makes "COMPLICITY". If you know your brother is going to commit a crime, and you DO NOT REPORT IT, YOU ARE COMPLICIT, AND GUILTY, and risk suffering the same punishment.
And apparently the govt proved it in a court of law, to a jurry of the defendant's peers. "Shell-Game" my azz.
The plot he didn't commit is hardly prosecutable, but gives a history, and a pre-disposition..
The 5th ammendment ONLY protects you UNTILL YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH. If you choose to say stupid stuff, the 5th ammendment doesn't to jack.
On a 5th ammendment side note, having cop friends, one used to be a Sherrif's deputy (went ANG full time) He used to arrest people, read them Miranda, then, since they wanted a lawyer, not question them, all leagal. Then, let a tape recorder sit idle on the car ride in to booking, and let them talk, occasionally "prodding" them with agreement answers, being an understandable guy and all ("Yea, Uh huh, I see, understandable, etc"), but NEVER ASKING QUESTIONS. Just letting the dumbass spill his guts while unknowingly being taped. Then, turn it over to the DA's, all usable, all was their own utterances, not co-erced, not with any privacy expectations, already told "Anything they say may be used against them in a court of law".
I am sure that it was act of terror... do we know the whole story, no, will we ever know the whole story, I doubt it.
#2
As I said before, Fetzer is an idiot.
Just EXACTLY homeless ....... WHAT did you manage to find "interesting": since you are "NOT one of those conspiracy theorists", per your own quote?
Fetzer's entire shpiel is trumped up and ignores a great many facts, as noted above. WHY is it "interesting" as opposed to "outlandish and stupid"?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Oh, by the way, there are 30 James Fetzer's just on Yahoo People Search, so there could only be 1 each of the hijackers in all of arabia, names are never repeated there. Yes, of course. :rolleyes: