Ford or Chevy, Olds, or Mopar???

[Ken F]

Post up which engine you are running in your boat.
I just thought it would be interesting to see the percentages.

[YeLLowBoaT]

You forgot Pontiac.... :)
I know I will be the only person runing running my perticalur pontiac... they only made 16 of them that year. :D

[Ken F]

Damn, I did. Sorry! It won't let me go back and change the poll either.
Ken

[MikeF]

You forgot Pontiac.... :)
I know I will be the only person runing running my perticalur pontiac... they only made 16 of them that year. :D
One of these?!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1539

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Chevy is steppin' in tha hizouse;)

[beerjet]

It only let me vote once but I have two chevy's .:crossx::crossx::crossx:
-beerjet-

[YeLLowBoaT]

One of these?!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1539
I wish... no 65 421 HO they only made 16 in 65 that came with 4 bolt mains and a 4 barrel carb...some how thats what ended up in my boat.

[AzMandella]

Chevy is steppin' in tha hizouse;)
Yeah.But you know what?It's like generic toilet paper.It's everywhere.But I would rather wipe my ass with Charmin. :cool: It's a little more expensive but oHHHHH so much more pleasurable. :eek:

[Sweet Cruz]

My boat my have a Chevy in it,
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18897&stc=1
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18898&stc=1
but I still would rather have a FORD.

[Big Kahunaa]

Yeah.But you know what?It's like generic toilet paper.It's everywhere.But I would rather wipe my ass with Charmin. :cool: It's a little more expensive but oHHHHH so much more pleasurable. :eek:
you are a verry wise man

[Heatseeker]

The only thing Chevy about my boat's engine is the iron block and the oil filter adapter. Everything else is aftermarket.
I guess that still makes it a Chevy though...

[wsuwrhr]

You have got to know how this poll will end

[beerjet]

You have got to know how this poll will end
Dont be so optimistic . Dont you know fords are bad ass . :rolleyes:
-beerjet-

[JAY4SPEED]

You need to have a spot in the poll about boats with no engine yet. You know, for us guys that have their projects going for years before they hit the water....lol. Eh, its getting a chevy when it does, so i voted accordingly.
Jay

[LakesOnly]

Mike F,
Nice Micky Thompson top end on that Poncho. You might be surprised where that cylinder head design found itself "borrowed upon" over the years.
LO

[LakesOnly]

You have got to know how this poll will endYeah, true Brian, but I am interested in this because a similar thread was posted about a year or so ago, and all makes had about a quarter inch horizontal line and then the chebby line was about three inches long. Obviously a popularity contest.
But cut to today's Poll, and indeed Ford is gaining ground ever so slowly on the General. Even I am surprosed at how often I am approached by chebby owneres that are quietly switching to Ford. It's still a chebby world, especially over here on the left coast...so I already know how this poll with end... :D
LO

[beerjet]

Even I am surprised at how often I am approached by chebby owneres that are quietly switching to Ford.
LO
Hey paul . Keep it down over there. You tryin to pull the covers or what . :D :crossx:
-beerjet-

[clownpuncher]

You know, I put a check mark on Chevy, BUT, there ain't too many original Chevy parts in it. Couldn't you have put a "BBC - with 99% aftermarket parts". Hell that ain't even 100% true, cuz I got a Merlin block.
I'll stay with my Chevy I guess :p

[058]

It only let me vote once but I have two chevy's .:crossx::crossx::crossx:
-beerjet-
I'll see your 2 Chevys and raise ya 3 Fords :crossx:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Yeah.But you know what?It's like generic toilet paper.It's everywhere.But I would rather wipe my ass with Charmin. :cool: It's a little more expensive but oHHHHH so much more pleasurable. :eek:
LMFAO!! :rollside: :rollside: :rollside: :rollside: :rollside:
Touche' AzMandella :)
Charmin's in my sh!++er, Chevrolet's in my Taylor. :)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I'll see your 2 Chevys and raise ya 3 Fords :crossx:
You staying in the pot with 4 Mopars wsuwrhr??? :D :D

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Yeah.But you know what?It's like generic toilet paper.It's everywhere.But I would rather wipe my ass with Charmin. :cool: It's a little more expensive but oHHHHH so much more pleasurable. :eek:
LMFAO :crossx: :crossx: thats some funny schit to read at 7am:) your a bad man;)

[Wicked Performance Boats]

How about a thread on how much each type engine weighs? I know for a fact that jetboats are very sensitive to weight. So how much does each engine weigh with the same setup? Budlight. Ps. Does anybody know anyone who ground all the extra weight off their engine and how much they saved? I've thought this could be a good winter project. :idea:

[460 jus getn it]

Yeah.But you know what?It's like generic toilet paper.It's everywhere.But I would rather wipe my ass with Charmin. :cool: It's a little more expensive but oHHHHH so much more pleasurable. :eek:
oHHHHHH so funny. I run a ford, is it a little more expensive, Yes but in the long run i wouldnt have it any other way...............

[Dominator Scott]

The Sanger is running a Ford 460 but my Dominator is running twin 700SC's which started out as 502's. So I guess Chevy trumps Ford in my case. :rollside:
If I had my way the 460 would be replaced with a Chevy 454 or 502.

[YeLLowBoaT]

How about a thread on how much each type engine weighs? I know for a fact that jetboats are very sensitive to weight. So how much does each engine weigh with the same setup? Budlight. Ps. Does anybody know anyone who ground all the extra weight off their engine and how much they saved? I've thought this could be a good winter project. :idea:
That's actaully a very good idea, I would be very intrested in that.

[wright27]

The Sanger is running a Ford 460 but my Dominator is running twin 700SC's which started out as 502's. So I guess Chevy trumps Ford in my case. :rollside:
If I had my way the 460 would be replaced with a Chevy 454 or 502.
Dam you must be rich. The twins look kickass. I could only vote once I have two Chevys and one Ford.

[roostwear]

2 boats, 2 Fords, and only one vote. It's rigged I tell ya......

[Dominator Scott]

Dam you must be rich. The twins look kickass. I could only vote once I have two Chevys and one Ford.
Trust me its quite the opposite. Those 700SC's were about 4 years in the making and when your running that kind of power not to mention 2 of them it seems your always broke. :cry: Especially when your throwing $$$$ at 2 boats at the same time. The Dominator is in getting new gimbal ring assemblies right now so that will surely put a large dent in the pocket book. :rolleyes:
The Sanger is my fathers and I have been restoring it for him. Hopefully someday when he decides he is no longer interested in it he will pass it on to me. :rollside:
Thanks for the compliment on the motors though. Except for putting the rotating assembly together I did all the work myself and am very proud of the speeds they carry my Dominator at.

[wsuwrhr]

Dont be so optimistic . Dont you know fords are bad ass . :rolleyes:
-beerjet-
No,,,,I didn't.
Laughs
Brian

[wsuwrhr]

You staying in the pot with 4 Mopars wsuwrhr??? :D :D
I can't figure out how to vote twice since I have two boats and both run Mopars.
I see a couple other members who voted twice.
Brian

[wsuwrhr]

How about a thread on how much each type engine weighs? I know for a fact that jetboats are very sensitive to weight. So how much does each engine weigh with the same setup? Budlight. Ps. Does anybody know anyone who ground all the extra weight off their engine and how much they saved? I've thought this could be a good winter project. :idea:
The full iron Mopar is about 650lbs. The block is a full skirt(Y block) so it is a serious pig.
A full alloy Mopar is about 450lbs.
Brian

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Trust me its quite the opposite. Those 700SC's were about 4 years in the making and when your running that kind of power not to mention 2 of them it seems your always broke. :cry: Especially when your throwing $$$$ at 2 boats at the same time. The Dominator is in getting new gimbal ring assemblies right now so that will surely put a large dent in the pocket book. :rolleyes:
The Sanger is my fathers and I have been restoring it for him. Hopefully someday when he decides he is no longer interested in it he will pass it on to me. :rollside:
Thanks for the compliment on the motors though. Except for putting the rotating assembly together I did all the work myself and am very proud of the speeds they carry my Dominator at.
dammit, stop posting pics about how fast you pullyour boat:p

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

oHHHHHH so funny. I run a ford, is it a little more expensive, Yes but in the long run i wouldnt have it any other way...............
yeah the gay way......FAG:D

[wright27]

Trust me its quite the opposite. Those 700SC's were about 4 years in the making and when your running that kind of power not to mention 2 of them it seems your always broke. :cry: Especially when your throwing $$$$ at 2 boats at the same time. The Dominator is in getting new gimbal ring assemblies right now so that will surely put a large dent in the pocket book. :rolleyes:
The Sanger is my fathers and I have been restoring it for him. Hopefully someday when he decides he is no longer interested in it he will pass it on to me. :rollside:
Thanks for the compliment on the motors though. Except for putting the rotating assembly together I did all the work myself and am very proud of the speeds they carry my Dominator at.
I wish I could throw all my money into my boats, but I am to busy throwing it all to my wife.

[wsuwrhr]

I wish I could throw all my money into my boats, but I am to busy throwing it all to my wife.
Aren't we all?
Brian

[loudpipessavelives]

i see mopar has alot of votes

[SmokinLowriderSS]

How about a thread on how much each type engine weighs? I know for a fact that jetboats are very sensitive to weight. So how much does each engine weigh with the same setup? Budlight. Ps. Does anybody know anyone who ground all the extra weight off their engine and how much they saved? I've thought this could be a good winter project. :idea:
Interesting thought. :)
Found quite a list here, accuracy debatable, up to you: http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
Small Chevy, 575 pounds
Mk IV & Gen 5 Chevy, 685 pounds.
Chry 331 Hemi, 745 pounds
289/302 Ford, 460 pounds
351 cleveland, 550 pounds
Ford 385 block, 640 pounds
Ford Bos 429, 680 pounds
Mopar street Hemi, 765 pounds (690 pounds bare)
Olds 455, 620 pounds
Cadilac V-16, 1,300 pounds.

[Dominator Scott]

I wish I could throw all my money into my boats, but I am to busy throwing it all to my wife.
My wife doesn't care for the Dominator or the Sanger but she has never gave me chit about the money I spend on either boat. She will just roll her eye's and say whatever. :rolleyes: I will admit she liked the Dominator much better before the 700SC's went in it. Mainly because she lost her sunpad and I installed a fiberglass Innovator Race Hatch which I think looks kickazz on the boat.
I was informed that next summer she wants a pool so I guess I better humor her and just get one so she can lounge in it all summer. Not all bad though,considering that means I will be running the boat solo more and won't have to hear her say "slow down". :argue:

[LakesOnly]

...a ford...is it a little more expensive...............I-I-I-I-I-I dunno, not always. Given a 550-600HP build using the actual factory block crank and heads, I'd say that HP-to-HP it essentially may take less $$ to get the Ford producing those numbers than the chebby.
LO

[rerfert]

I bought my current boat with a ford in it (I like it better than my last boat with the 455 olds)
Here is my current budget 460 motor.
http://www.yumaduners.com/albums/album41/MVC_014F.sized.jpg

[FILUCKY]

I'm running 2 Ford powered jets. :)

[Ken F]

Wow, this has really become interesting! I really didn't think there would be that many fords percentage wise, which was the purpose of posting the poll.
Now that we have everyone divided up, it's kinda like Republicans, Democrats & Libertarians eh?? LOL
Ken

[Ralph Brunt]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/12022new_boat_027-med.jpg

[Bradf]

As long as no jetboat, or any boat for that matter ever runs with a toyota motor in it, its all good =P
Join me in the Detriot Iron Alliance!
Ford vs Chevy is so old these days haha

[Devilman]

Running a Ford in mine. It was what was in there when I bought it though. I've built Chevys & Fords so it really wouldn't have mattered to me honestly. They all break, just a matter of when..... :cool:

[kp216]

Had to vote Olds since that's what in it. But if everything goes right this winter, a Blue Oval will take its place.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Are you tryin' to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?
No, just that it'd be a miracle if he did. :D :D :D

[460 jus getn it]

yeah the gay way......FAG:DAbout as gay as that busted up chevy of your sitting in the driveway.

[roostwear]

Imagine what the results would be if they had to run!

[460 jus getn it]

Imagine what the results would be if they had to run!
No shit, plenty of chevys out there. I BET, 50% of the 61 people, there broke the fock down.....LMAO

[centerhill condor]

prior to the boat, our last chevy was a corvair...the engine fell out when we crossed some railroad tracks...
So, the condor has a 454 and I've been very pleased with the performance and reliability of the engine. She neither leaks nor burns oil and I'm waiting to pull a valve cover to see what kind of heads she has.
I'd like to have a jet with one of those modern aluminum alloy V-8s for the condor. When do ya'll think toyota or some other rice burning v-8s will be in jet boats? or is this just not gonna happen? For crying out loud, the corvair had an aluminum block!
Ideally, I'd like an engine designed since the digital revolution, you know improved alloys, flow dynamics, computer controls and fuel economy...or is this just a pipe dream?

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

No shit, plenty of chevys out there. I BET, 50% of the 61 people, there broke the fock down.....LMAO
But its the chevy guys that work on the ford guys boats:D

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

About as gay as that busted up chevy of your sitting in the driveway.
ta ta ta ta,,,,,,,,,, I have a busted up 429 that belongs to someone in my driveway as well....................:notam: :devil: :2purples:

[LakesOnly]

I think Furd may gain more popularity when--- WE GET A WOMAN PRESIDENT!!! :rollside:The proof is in the Poll above, D. Also, look who's talking....speak of yet ANOTHER chebby boat that's non-running and stuck in the garage! :D Ooooohhh, payback's a bitch, ain't it?
LO
p.s. Will be in town 11/4 w/e...

[loudpipessavelives]

As long as no jetboat, or any boat for that matter ever runs with a toyota motor in it, its all good =P
i agree!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

As long as no jetboat, or any boat for that matter ever runs with a toyota motor in it, its all good =P
Agreed (or any rice-winder). Kinda like ManLaw. :crossx:

[AzMandella]

But its the chevy guys that work on the ford guys boats:D
Yeah except they keep looking at the wrong end for the distributor and can't figure out what # the cylinders are. :yuk:

[napabob]

I have a 454 and a 392. Maybe I should think about putting a Nick Arias Jr. HEMIspherical-Chevy engine in maybe a third boat?
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/chevrolet/bigblock/0305em_backfuture/

[Squirtcha?]

But its the chevy guys that work on the ford guys boats:D
That's funny................I've got a perfect running BBF in my boat and a BBC on MY engine stand in MY garage right this minute.

[OverKill]

Hey Dan Isn't that BBC on Ebay?? the man that bids with the most Tecate wins, and the looser gets a berlap potato sack of LAGS. Sound about right. :rollside:

[HotRod Sprint]

Mercruiser/Chevy gen V 454.
Rod

[HotRod Sprint]

As long as no jetboat, or any boat for that matter ever runs with a toyota motor in it, its all good =P
Join me in the Detriot Iron Alliance!
Agreed (or any rice-winder). Kinda like ManLaw. :crossx:
I'm in! And here's another man law for ya. It has to have a real frame to be called a truck...honda!
Rod

[HotRod Sprint]

Interesting thought. :)
Found quite a list here, accuracy debatable, up to you: http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
Small Chevy, 575 pounds
Mk IV & Gen 5 Chevy, 685 pounds.
Chry 331 Hemi, 745 pounds
289/302 Ford, 460 pounds
351 cleveland, 550 pounds
Ford 385 block, 640 pounds
Ford Bos 429, 680 pounds
Mopar street Hemi, 765 pounds (690 pounds bare)
Olds 455, 620 pounds
Cadilac V-16, 1,300 pounds.
Cadillac 500, 625 pounds
Chevy 409, 620 pounds
Rod

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Yeah except they keep looking at the wrong end for the distributor and can't figure out what # the cylinders are. :yuk:
We can't help that Ford did some really screwball stuff. :p

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I have a 454 and a 392. Maybe I should think about putting a Nick Arias Jr. HEMIspherical-Chevy engine in maybe a third boat?
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/chevrolet/bigblock/0305em_backfuture/
Nahhhh, here's the heads you ought to try. 32-valves per cyl, big OR small block (pssssst.....you ford guys,,,,,,,you can get 'em too :) )
2: 1.94” intake valves have curtain flow area equal to a single 3.88” intake valve.
2: 1.6” exhaust valves have curtain flow area equal to a single 3.2” exhaust valve.
Intake ports over 500CFM @ 0.700" lift @ 28" test pressure.
Exhaust ports over 400CFM @ 0.650" lift @ 28" test pressure.
Included in kit:
Pair of valve covers
Rocker Arms
Heads, Complete with springs, and valves, assembled

[InDeep]

Chevy gets my vote!

[AzMandella]

We can't help that Ford did some really screwball stuff. :p
How do you figure that :confused: It would seem to me that you would have more accurate timing if the distibutor is being driven off the front of the cam instead of the back where you would have the most torsional twist on the cam. :jawdrop: And you know you would love to be able to time your engine without having to reach around to the back of the engine.All the wile straining your neck to see the timing marks. :D

[BrendellaJet]

How do you figure that :confused: It would seem to me that you would have more accurate timing if the distibutor is being driven off the front of the cam instead of the back where you would have the most torsional twist on the cam. :jawdrop: And you know you would love to be able to time your engine without having to reach around to the back of the engine.All the wile straining your neck to see the timing marks. :D
Chevy's dont lose timing like fords do. Set it once & forget it! After that its out of the way! :rollside:

[squirt'nmyload]

ford!!!!!!!! because thats what the boat had when i bought it http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/biggrin2.gif

[rivertard]

RUNNING A FORD REAL HARD ALL DAY LONG.(rivertard). :rolleyes: p.s. if it was a chevy id run it real hard all day long. :idea:

[Bradf]

RUNNING A FORD REAL HARD ALL DAY LONG.(rivertard). :rolleyes: p.s. if it was a chevy id run it real hard all day long. :idea:
You must live off of Archibald, tard... You're going to wake up one morning and your ford is going to be replaced w/ a chevy. haw.

[MADDOG355]

New member been lurking for a while now. I am pretty happy with the olds in my boat.
P.S. I will gladly accept parts from people removing Olds motors :rollside:

[79centurion]

One has a chevy one has a ford
Dan

[LakesOnly]

Nahhhh, here's the heads you ought to try. 32-valves per cyl, big OR small block (pssssst.....you ford guys,,,,,,,you can get 'em too :) )
2: 1.94” intake valves have curtain flow area equal to a single 3.88” intake valve.
2: 1.6” exhaust valves have curtain flow area equal to a single 3.2” exhaust valve.
Intake ports over 500CFM @ 0.700" lift @ 28" test pressure.
Exhaust ports over 400CFM @ 0.650" lift @ 28" test pressure.
Included in kit:
Pair of valve covers
Rocker Arms
Heads, Complete with springs, and valves, assembled
SmokeLRSS,
Although I don't see a reference or link, etc, your quote above looks to have been lifted from Arao's website. If this is from where you copied the above information, then I just want to add I would be very surprised to see any 16-valve 429/460 heads from that shop. It's a long and ugly story and if anyone's interested then I'll post it. But for now I'll just say that I don't believe they are available nor has a set ever been 100% completed. Show me a complete set on a running Ford 385 Series engine and I will stand corrected, though. By the way, there are well worked 2-valve heads these days that can give the above posted 16-valve head flow numbers a run for their money.
On the filpside, I visited a small shop in LA this past w/e and met with someone who is currently working on a design for a 16-valve 429/460 head, without the pushrods. Talk about overkill...
LO

[Ken F]

Paul,
I'm pretty sure Bamber Racing in Boliver MO has made several sets.
Walking into his shop is like going into a candy store. He does all his own casting, machine work, and development.
Ken

[SmokinLowriderSS]

SmokeLRSS,
Although I don't see a reference or link, etc, your quote above looks to have been lifted from Arao's website. If this is from where you copied the above information, then I just want to add I would be very surprised to see any 16-valve 429/460 heads from that shop. It's a long and ugly story and if anyone's interested then I'll post it. But for now I'll just say that I don't believe they are available nor has a set ever been 100% completed. Show me a complete set on a running Ford 385 Series engine and I will stand corrected, though. By the way, there are well worked 2-valve heads these days that can give the above posted 16-valve head flow numbers a run for their money.
On the filpside, I visited a small shop in LA this past w/e and met with someone who is currently working on a design for a 16-valve 429/460 head, without the pushrods. Talk about overkill...
LO
Since that particular post was (mostly) in jest ($10,000 cyl head set, assembled :cry: ) I didn't throw the link, but yes, is Arao's own info I posted parts of.
32 valve aluminum heads (http://www.araoengineering.com/)
I hadn't gone looking thru the big block ford area (till just now) and found this:
Under Construction Sorry for the inconvenience.
For Information NOW! email us : info@araoengineering.com
I have to ASSume that they are working on some. Since they have both Ford & Chevy small block, and Chevy big block, links to all 4, and said:
Get 32 Valve Aluminum Cylinder Head Technology for your Small Block or Big Block Chevy or Ford.
Looks like I made a bad ASSumption. :)
The 16-valve non-pushrod set sounds reminiscent of the old SOHC ford, with all 9' of timing chain. Not to knock it, just different, heck of a way to skin a cat. I wonder what chain life was on those, I know there were not very many, but don't know a darn thing more about them.

[Bigern]

One has a chevy one has a ford
DanI've had both, I like both, currently have a chevy...