Enduro news??

[Moneypitt]

I know Rankin posted from there this morning,(birthday thread for Pat), does anyone have any news about the enduro.............Who is out, running, leading???........Ray

[lilrick]

an outboard won. Lots of broken boats, broken trannies, sucked exhaust valves, holes in pistons, and an oil line came off a Ford motor.

[Moneypitt]

an outboard won. Lots of broken boats, broken trannies, sucked exhaust valves, holes in pistons, and an oil line came off a Ford motor.
That Ford???..............Ray

[bordsmnj]

yep.

[ColeTR2]

It was a great day of boat racing. Great job Ross / SCSC team!

[lilrick]

That Ford???..............Ray
yep. I spoke to his wife after the race. Oil line came apart after the second lap. Bummer.

[Moneypitt]

yep. I spoke to his wife after the race. Oil line came apart after the second lap. Bummer.
Well, guess I'm gonna have to get involved with next years enduro. Maybe build him a CHEVY that will run more than 2 laps......Jeezzzzeeesss......MP

[superdave013]

Well, guess I'm gonna have to get involved with next years enduro. Maybe build him a CHEVY that will run more than 2 laps......Jeezzzzeeesss......MP
You can get a chevy to run laps with a busted oil line? Dang, you must be good. :)

[058]

Well, guess I'm gonna have to get involved with next years enduro. Maybe build him a CHEVY that will run more than 2 laps......Jeezzzzeeesss......MP
Since when is a broken oil line a 'Ford' problem? You Chevy freaks look for any chance to bash a Ford, don't ya? :rolleyes:

[Moneypitt]

Since when is a broken oil line a 'Ford' problem? You Chevy freaks look for any chance to bash a Ford, don't ya? :rolleyes:
NO, I'm not bashing anything or anybody. I just don't have any 385 ford stuff. So, if I were going to do anything, anything at all, it would have to be with a CHEVY, or MOPAR....... Boy you Ford FREAKS are sure defensive...............MP

[Moneypitt]

You can get a chevy to run laps with a busted oil line? Dang, you must be good. :)
Yep. Granted they weren't enduro laps, they were Burley laps, and yes, we ran the last 2 with no oil pressure, zero, zippo, nada.......IXL additive in the oil and nothing was hurt except a couple of worn rod bearings. 2 enduro laps, ah, maybe not......... Fords, See post above...........MP

[Moneypitt]

According to Ron Hill's site, it would seem that the 3 GNs had problems, all sorts of broken parts and pieces, but 7 or 8 of the top 10 were outboards. Oh and P24 took their class Again. Congratulations to the winners, and all the racers attempting the enduro this year. Show up, start, give it your best shot, and you're a winner, regardless of where or if you finish.........MP

[SK48]

Not sure about Ron Hill's math. It just happens that three of the top
ten finishers were the three remaining jet boats which were all running
at the end. :)

[HighVoltage 329]

The winners are the guys that had the balls to start this thing. I want to give my respect. Congrads to all that ran!

[hack job]

Not sure about Ron Hill's math. It just happens that three of the top
ten finishers were the three remaining jet boats which were all running
at the end. :)
you guys did very well . i think there was only one jet that got towed. :p ( cj72) :rolleyes: it was a great race and a lot of fun next year should be great! we saw it from the tow boat side this year and it was very cool. great job ross and team :cool:

[Moneypitt]

Not sure about Ron Hill's math. It just happens that three of the top
ten finishers were the three remaining jet boats which were all running
at the end. :)
I think Hill's "math" was just an outboarders guess. And 6 of 10 aint that far off, if the jets all placed in the top 10 overall, and the cracker also, that still leaves the 6 spots for the wackers.....But I'm sure there will be some "offical" results posted here soon.........MP

[flat broke]

The race was awesome, and the water couldn't have been bettter. I'm only bummed that the 17 Schiada spun within 5 laps or so of the end and blew his chances of reeling in Chad Hill in the #34. There was some creative hardware out there, but that simple red Schiada just gave you chills as he'd come booking down the course 10-20' off the side of our boat.
Probably my favorite boat from a visual standpoint was the orange 22'er from Mike Avila (sp) that looked like it might have been a Bernico bottom with a hand tooled cannopied deck. There was all kinds of slick setups, including a v'drive of some sort with a Duramax diesel in it. Different looking, quiet as hell, and definitely something I had to get back to the pits to get a picture of before we headed to the awards ceremony.
Congrats to all the racers and those that support them. And thanks to Ross and his crew of dedicated folks that made the race go off fairly smooth. Hopefully we'll be doing race duty instead of patrol duty next year, but either way we'll be there to do what we can.
Chris

[LD Mandella]

I had to leave right after the race but I can fill in some blanks, we fielded a 68 Mandella long deck originally rigged by the current owner's ( Eddie Mcpheeters ) father, 427 Ford High Riser and old school all the way,Drivers and pit crew did a great job, we ran very strong in division 3 for a little better than 2/3 of the race then had a fueling issue and seemed to lean out which melted down a spark plug. We never found the cause in time to get back out, however we still finished first in division 3 and were in 3rd. place overall when things started to unwind, I am very proud of the whole gang, the drivers Eddie and Casey did a great job and the pit crew was unstoppable. Art and Sandy hung with us alot and his input and support was greatly appreciated.We had more fun than should be allowed and cannot wait till next year. Ron Hill won overall, ran strong from start to finish, the plan B guys 305 boat was running very strong but did not stay together long enough to win the game. lots of nice boats and folks and everyone having a lot of fun, this is one heck of race and I encourage more people to get invloved next year. Ross, very nice job, you guys really stepped things up from last year, give us the date for next year so we can schedule and get building some more entries.
John

[Ron Hill]

Ron Hill didn't drive at the Blue Water Casino 00...Tha was my son Chad Hill and Pat Bowman who did the driving...Fred Hauenstein and I won Parker in 1978...
P-24 won Division I, but did not make the top ten.... Amber Marin'es 007 was second in Division I, with Batman driving...
Ross and Crew did do a great job.... http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3297
My "REPORT" was off the top of my head....I figure Ross will post the REAL RESULTS later.
Thanks to all who took part in the EVENT....The spectators were great... The 2006 Blue Casino 300 Enduro has to be considered to be a HUGE SUCCESS... Sorry that there was so much destruction in the inboard group's equipment..
And John, you are the guy that called and asked me about fueling??? Thanks for coming.
At this time, I'm considering selling boat #34 and getting s ski racing vee Hull...We could race it, we could Ski Race with it, we could use it at the river...
FYI: 007 was the only Division I still running at the end, but lost to the P-24 because the P-24 had more laps...

[GofastRacer]

I had to leave right after the race but I can fill in some blanks, we fielded a 68 Mandella long deck originally rigged by the current owner's ( Eddie Mcpheeters ) father, 427 Ford High Riser and old school all the way,Drivers and pit crew did a great job, we ran very strong in division 3 for a little better than 2/3 of the race then had a fueling issue and seemed to lean out which melted down a spark plug. We never found the cause in time to get back out, however we still finished first in division 3 and were in 3rd. place overall when things started to unwind, I am very proud of the whole gang, the drivers Eddie and Casey did a great job and the pit crew was unstoppable. Art and Sandy hung with us alot and his input and support was greatly appreciated.We had more fun than should be allowed and cannot wait till next year. Ron Hill won overall, ran strong from start to finish, the plan B guys 305 boat was running very strong but did not stay together long enough to win the game. lots of nice boats and folks and everyone having a lot of fun, this is one heck of race and I encourage more people to get invloved next year. Ross, very nice job, you guys really stepped things up from last year, give us the date for next year so we can schedule and get building some more entries.
John
Thanks John, I have to say you guys all had your stuff together and had a class act going for a first time deal, enjoyed hangin out with you guys and hope to do it again, I doubt my input meant much,LOL... Again congrats to all you guys on the win!.. :cool:
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[ColeTR2]

Friday before the race, any info about the boat that got the hole in the side of it? Was it going to participate in the race?

[MAXIMUS]

Friday before the race, any info about the boat that got the hole in the side of it? Was it going to participate in the race?
I don't know??? I can tell you they were running circles in front of our trailer for awhile until we heard that sick thumping sound. Apperantly they lost it in a turn to close to a dock & smacked it? I don't believe anybody was badly hurt but that nordic took a beating... :frown:

[MAXIMUS]

Well I am back & tired as hell... We had a crazy ass week prior to running this race... My amigos were bolting the trans in my 151 boat while I was at the drivers meeting friday night. I left a little early. Hauled ass back to the trailer. Boat was on the ramp & waiting. Mad a few laps with it & stuck it back on the trailer in the dark. Went to bed at 8:00 pm & was at the race site at 5:30 AM with 3 boats as promised! We had a team of more than 20 people & 2 trucks loaded with fuel! Talk about a cluster... On my warm up lap the new "trick" turbo 400 trans started blowing trans fluid out the dip stick & I had a nice water leak in a line... :rolleyes: Quick repair & on the water for the div 3 start. All 3 boats (Plan B, 420, & Wiskers 151) were in same division. I sat in the boat for about 20 min waiting to leave... the whole time heckeling Joey Cucci & his team... lol Flag dropped & for the next hour & change I had the time of my life. Plan B appears to have started in on an exhaust valve, as I passed Grich on lap 16, thought maybe I would pull in to see if I could help.... :idea: Second thought I was racing & it was probably his fault so fuk him! lol... Next lap as I was looking over & wondering what they were doing when all of sudden the 151 starting shaking & rattling!!!!!!!! :eek:There went trans #2... Joey made sure to give me the middle finger up as he went by... & my team mate Dave chandler returned a friendly wave as he passed... :rolleyes: As I floated waiting for help I started thinking about the positive side to this scenario... FOOD & Drink just moments away!!!!! :D People kept comming over & saying how sorry they were for our hard luck... & all I kept saying is if you could only of had the amount of fun we had you would realize it is I who is sorry for those who were not out there participating!!!!! :)
Ross thank you from all of us for giving us another year of enduro racing!!!! :)

[Moneypitt]

Almost makes me feel like I was there. A racers view of a race is always best. The trials and tribulations of being involved, while a giant when happening, all seem trivial when all is said and done. Sounds like you truly had a great time, and as mentioned already, all the racers and teams were winners, just to have "made the call to start". See you Thanksgiving.............Ray
PS: Trany problems couldn't be driver error, but valve problems, that could be a different story.........

[MAXIMUS]

I gotta say that sitting on the beach & watching Gary in the Justified boat gave me chills... He & his team were hauling the mail & taking no prisoners... He put the heat on Mike Avilla's team for sure. Both of Mikes boats ran hard & to see those guys smokin on the water was really cool! I was glad to see Gary was not afraid to take a break when he got a little thirsty... :D I was relieved to see him standing by his boat at the end of the day!
Congrats to Pat Bowman, Ron & Chad Hill for an outstanding performance!
The Mandella team rocked hard! I loved seeing that thing on the water knocking down lap after lap with out missing a beat! They earned their divison win!
That squirrely team with the sanger flat (420) didn't do to bad for a bunch of wanna be's... :messedup: Thanks John for stepping up to the plate with both feet. That ski flat of yours has a big heart! :) You deserved that weak ass 2nd place plaque... lol... :p
For all the jet fans there were a few out there running strong all day & finishing with no misfourtunes...
To all the other teams that participated... congradulations on another outstanding day of fun in the sun! These are memories I shall cheerish for the rest of my life! :)

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

...These are memories I shall cheerish for the rest of my life! :)
Don't go getting all sensitive on us you big gay jeezus homo. Lol! Oh, and thanks for the call back. :rolleyes:

[Dave Sammons]

I don't know??? I can tell you they were running circles in front of our trailer for awhile until we heard that sick thumping sound. Apperantly they lost it in a turn to close to a dock & smacked it? I don't believe anybody was badly hurt but that nordic took a beating... :frown:
I was there for it...Just like we talked over in the "Saftey Thread", the 69 Aquacraft lost a steering chain going down river about 40feet off the dock, spun a 180 to the right and smacked the dock with the side of the boat...Pretty scary deal considering he was about twice as far out as alot of the boats were during the race! Driver, Dick Waldrip is OK, boat is repairable.

[CampbellCarl]

I had the honor to serve Gary Hairebedian's GN17 as a crew member. That Schiada just flat hauls the mail! Despite a fuel usage/lap count mishap then Gary finding a hole in the water (he went for a swim at lap 49) that put us out of the race, he still had enough laps to take 2nd in Div 6. A great day and great race. I just can't say enough about the rigging and clean lines that the 17 brings to the water. I don't know how to post pix. Maybe someone can do for me.
Carl

[Firecracker]

It was great to see how many boats were out there, and there were alot of familiar faces from ski racing there. That was great! Seeing Mike and Gary out there was great racing! Every lap that went by you were wondering who was going to be in front, and how close they were going to be to eachother. There is nothing like hearing that "hum" that comes from a Schiada when is movin'.
I would like to say congratulations to all that participated, and thank you all for putting on a great show for us to watch! Great job Ross!

[GofastRacer]

I had the honor to serve Gary Hairebedian's GN17 as a crew member. That Schiada just flat hauls the mail! Despite a fuel usage/lap count mishap then Gary finding a hole in the water (he went for a swim at lap 49) that put us out of the race, he still had enough laps to take 2nd in Div 6. A great day and great race. I just can't say enough about the rigging and clean lines that the 17 brings to the water. I don't know how to post pix. Maybe someone can do for me.
Carl
Gary's Schiada is definitely badass!.. :cool:
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[CampbellCarl]

Thanks Go Fast!

[MAXIMUS]

Don't go getting all sensitive on us you big gay jeezus homo. Lol! Oh, and thanks for the call back. :rolleyes:
Listen... jet boat camera guy my phone went dead... I got about 20 voicemails this morning & still have not finished... :rolleyes: Next time just be there! We needed somebody to wipe up all the oil... :devil:

[LD Mandella]

Art and Maximus, thanks for the words of recognition, this was the first race for all of us and doing as well as we did was really gratifying. I took some pics and will post them up when developed. That 305 boat was really kicking some ass and although we were glad that it would not be passing us again we hated to see you guys out of the running. Hopefully next year won't be so chaotic for us leading up to the race and we can spend some time getting to know some of the other teams. This race really is a severe test of people and boats, my hat goes off to all involved, great racing,no injuries ( that I know of ), it does not get much better than that.

[CampbellCarl]

I guess I should have said in my first post that although Gary got wet, the only thing that got hurt bad was his PRIDE(!). He was a little sore on Saturday evening (didn't move out of his recliner) but as I left town, I saw him towing the Schiada back towards his place (probably a trip to the quarter car wash as the motor had a little oil leak during the race). The most important thing is that the enduro was a safe race (plastic and iron can be replaced, skin and bone is way more precious).
Carl

[gn7]

Just got back. Never work so hard, spent so much $$$, or had so much fun. Can I sign up for next year NOW!! Can't believe how bad the GNRA brothers looked this weekend, NEXT YEAR REVENGE! Guess MR.V DRIVE will make a few bucks on this deal, last count was 6 v-drives all on the out put side.

[echo]

Was a great day at blue water. People were welcome in the Pits. The start was awsum.The smell of fuel was great.Alot of old guys like me.Hope the younger people get into this race.Thanks

[ColeTR2]

Guess MR.V DRIVE will make a few bucks on this deal, last count was 6 v-drives all on the out put side.
Sounds like a design problem. Maybe he will stand behind his product and fix them for free! Or give us one more thread full of spam and eggs. :rolleyes:

[AzMandella]

I had to leave right after the race but I can fill in some blanks, we fielded a 68 Mandella long deck originally rigged by the current owner's ( Eddie Mcpheeters ) father, 427 Ford High Riser and old school all the way,Drivers and pit crew did a great job, we ran very strong in division 3 for a little better than 2/3 of the race then had a fueling issue and seemed to lean out which melted down a spark plug. We never found the cause in time to get back out, however we still finished first in division 3 and were in 3rd. place overall when things started to unwind, I am very proud of the whole gang, the drivers Eddie and Casey did a great job and the pit crew was unstoppable. Art and Sandy hung with us alot and his input and support was greatly appreciated.We had more fun than should be allowed and cannot wait till next year. Ron Hill won overall, ran strong from start to finish, the plan B guys 305 boat was running very strong but did not stay together long enough to win the game. lots of nice boats and folks and everyone having a lot of fun, this is one heck of race and I encourage more people to get invloved next year. Ross, very nice job, you guys really stepped things up from last year, give us the date for next year so we can schedule and get building some more entries.
John
That's great to hear John.I'm glad you guy's did so well for the first time.I'll bet everyone is very optimistic for next year!!!!I'll definately be there next year.Hey E-mail me some of the pics you took.Eddie told me you rented a killer lens to shoot the race.

[gn7]

Sounds like a design problem. Maybe he will stand behind his product and fix them for free! Or give us one more thread full of spam and eggs. :rolleyes:
Oh you can count on that. but what are we to do.

[rossdbos]

Congratulations to all Participants:
Here are the overall results:
Boat# Division Finish Owner(s) Driver Co-Driver
34 D2 1 Ron Hill/Chad Hill Chad Hill Pat Bowman
48 D5 2 John Roth John Lane John Roth
211 D4 3 Jason Miller Jason Miller
19 D4 4 Mark Durham Mark Durham
25 D6 5 Lonnie Fluent Lonnie Fluent Scott Pellaton
1 D6 6 Mike Avila Jim Anderson
17 D6 7 Gary Hairbedian Gary Hairabedian John Franklin
124 D4 8 Ryan Pryor Ryan Pryor
93 D5 9 Quemene Perea Steve Dennison Danny Smith
36 D2 10 Bill Montique Brad Cooper Jack Landers (?)
402 D2 11 Mark Moyle Don Moyle Richard Hammond
288 D2 12 Rodger Finney Rodger Finney Jennifer Maddox, Da
67 D3 13 Eddie McPheeters Eddie McPheeters Casey Porter
86 D5 14 John Soares John Soares
420 D3 15 Matt Wooten John Raptis Dave Chandler
145 D6 16 Jim Best Jim Best John Best
240 D1 17 Greg Falconer Jerry Ross Amy Ottinger,Nick G
819 D2 18 All James Bill James
"07 D6 19 Kelly Oliver Kelly Oliver
7 D3 20 Bill Wheeler Bill Wheeler
11 D6 21 Mike Avila Mike Avila
"007 D1 22 Pete Michelmore Brad Menet Ron Hill
24 D3 23 Ted Kolby Joey Cucci
305 D3 24 Ben Marrone Paul Grichar Phil Luckens/Ben Ma
151 D3 25 Benn Marrone John Raptis Matt Wooton, Tony S
8 D1 26 Lee Buchanan Lee Buchanan
810 D3 27 Steve Rankin Steve Rankin
81 D5 28
72 D2 29 Jim Rich Jim Rich
96 D3 30 Ken Knudson Ken Knudson
47 D3 31 Bob Devine Rob Devine
369 D6 32 Shane Hall Larry Dahehoff
I will post the Division Results tommorrow!
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT.

[BT273.]

Sounds like a design problem. Maybe he will stand behind his product and fix them for free! Or give us one more thread full of spam and eggs. :rolleyes:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You and Mr V spammer are in a tight spam race with all the spamming you do for Prime marine. So get a good look in the mirror Mr spam man junior.

[HighVoltage 329]

Looks like 5 of the top 10 are ski-racers. Good showing.

[ColeTR2]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You and Mr V spammer are in a tight spam race with all the spamming you do for Prime marine. So get a good look in the mirror Mr spam man junior.
If you can show me one post of mine in the v-drive section with pictures and prices of anything after the spam rule ( 01-04-2006, ) I will never post again on HB. Start looking.
Below..
That's all you got BT273.! I'm not going to pollute this thread with your none sense. You have proven your lack of IQ to everyone on the boards time and time again.

[BT273.]

Ok whatever you say spammer junior. Get back to sweeping the shavings on the floor at prime.

[LD Mandella]

would it be possible to get the number of laps completed and times for the participants?
Thanks
John

[rossdbos]

Boat # Div # Place Owner Driver Co-Driver(s) Laps
P24 D1 1 Greg Falconer Jerry Ross Amy Ottinger,Nick Granger 34
007 D1 2 Pete Michelmore Brad Menet 22
8 D1 3 Lee Buchanan Lee Buchanan 13
34 D2 1 Ron Hill/Chad Hill Chad Hill Pat Bowman 60
36 D2 2 Bill Montique Brad Cooper 45
402 D2 3 Mark Moyle Don Moyle Richard Hammond 44
288 D2 4 Rodger Finney Rodger Finney Jennifer Maddox, 43
819 D2 5 Al James Bill James Al James 40
72 D2 2 Jim Rich Jim Rich 2
67 D3 1 Eddie McPheeters Eddie McPheeters Casey Porter 43
420 D3 2 Ben Marrone John Raptis Matt Wooton/Dave Chandler 38
7 D3 3 Bill Wheeler Bill Wheeler 28
24 D3 4 Ted Kolby Joey Cucci Rod Zapf 22
305 D3 5 Ben Marrone Paul Grichar Phil Luckens/Ben Marrone 18
151 D3 6 Ben Marrone John Raptis Matt Wooton 14
810 D3 7 Steven Rankin Steve Rankin 7
96 D3 8 Ken Knudson Ken Knudson 1
211 D4 1 Jason Miller Jason Miller 53
19 D4 2 Mark Durham Mark Durham Greg Foster 51
124 D4 3 Ryan Pryor Ryan Pryor 48
48 D5 1 John Roth John Lane John Roth 58
93 D5 2 Quemene Perea Steve Dennison Danny Smith 44
86 D5 3 John Soares John Soares 42
25 D6 1 Lonnie Fluent Lonnie Fluent Scott Pellaton 51
1 D6 2 Mike Avila Jim Anderson 51
17 D6 3 Gary Hairbedian Gary Hairbedian John Franklin 49
145 D6 4 Jim Best Jim Best John Best 35
07 D6 5 Kelly Oliver Kelly Oliver 31
11 D6 6 Mike Avila Mike Avila 26
And here are the Overall Results with Laps
Boat # Division Pos. Owner Driver Co-Pilots Laps Hour Min Seconds
34 D2 1 Ron Hill/Chad Hill Chad Hill Pat Bowman 60 04h 10m 26.47
48 D5 2 John Roth John Lane John Roth 58 04h 13m 9.9
211 D4 3 Jason Miller Jason Miller 53 04h 13m 25.89
19 D4 4 Mark Durham Mark Durham Greg Foster 51 04h 12m 49.14
25 D6 5 Lonnie Fluent Lonnie Fluent Scott Pellaton 51 04h 12m 17.13
17 D6 6 Mike Avila Jim Anderson John Franklin 51 03h 51m 13.86
1 D6 7 Gary Hairbedian Gary Hairbedian John Franklin 49 04h 09m 57.26
124 D4 8 Ryan Pryor Ryan Pryor 48 04h 13m 12.96
93 D5 9 Quemene Perea Steve Dennison Danny Smith 45 04h 10m 18.96
36 D2 10 Bill Montique Brad Cooper Jack Landers 45 04h 11m 47.3
402 D2 11 Mark Moyle Don Moyle Richard Hammond 44 04h 12m 6.77
288 D2 12 Rodger Finney Rodger Finney Jennifer Maddox 43 04h 11m 52.91
67 D3 13 Eddie McPheeters Eddie McPheeters Casey Porter 43 03h 37m 8.35
86 D5 14 John Soares John Soares 42 04h 12m 40.48
420 D3 15 Matt Wooten John Raptis Dave Chandler 38 03h 45m 9.09
145 D6 16 Jim Best Jim Best John Best 35 03h 54m 19.98
P24 D1 17 Greg Falconer Jerry Ross Amy Ottinger,Nick Granger 34 03h 16m 42.52
819 D5 18 All James Bill James Al James 34 03h 39m 33.95
07 D6 19 Kelly Oliver Kelly Oliver 31 03h 02m 46.11
7 D3 20 Bill Wheeler Bill Wheeler 28 02h 26m 3.27
11 D6 21 Mike Avila Mike Avila 26 02h 45m 42.57
"007 D1 22 Pete Michelmore Brad Menet 22 03h 51m 0.11
24 D3 23 Ted Kolby Joey Cucci Rod Zapf 22 02h 32m 8.92
305 D3 24 Ben Marrone Paul Grichar Phil Luckens/Ben Marrone 18 01h 21m 36.34
151 D3 25 Benn Marrone John Raptis Matt Wooton, Tony S 14 01h 21m 46.3
8 D1 26 Lee Buchanan Lee Buchanan 13 01h 26m 31.15
810 D3 27 Steve Rankin Steve Rankin 7 01h 16m 40.51
72 D2 28 Jim Rich Jim Rich 2 0 10m 11.56
96 D3 29 Ken Knudson Ken Knudson 1 0 23m 51.22
47 D3 30 Bob Devine Rob Devine Bob Devine 0 0
369 D6 31 Larry Dalhoff Larry Dalhoff Shane Hall/Heath Hiebert 0 0

[LD Mandella]

Thanks Ross, what are the date for next year? I think we are going to bring 3 boats, and hope for 3 times the fun.
John

[rossdbos]

The date is set for October 20, 2007 (the weekend after the US Open Waterski Championships in San Diego). I am also accepting entries now, keeping the entry and money in a separate account, just in case something happens, all monies would be refundable. Having this account gives me an idea and budget to work with to make it bigger and better!
Thanks again to all that were a part of the Enduro!
I will be having an open meeting in the next few weeks to "tweak" the classes and finalize the rules for 2007. Nothing major just looking to make it even "tighter" on the parity between divisions (I have all the data, lap speed, pits stops, etc. ) and there were some great suggestions made after the race to bring in more boats and make it even better.
Thank you all for the support!
I am now working on something that will literally blow you all away when I reveal it.........! No, it's not the 60th Annual Thanksgiving Regatta on November 24 & 25, that too is a historic milestone in boat racing that I am proud to promote with my organization, the Southern California Speedboat Club!
Speak to you soon!
Ross Wallach, SCSC/RPM RACING ENT.

[BigBoyBlue]

whats up CampbellCarl
Yeah, Armen said you all kicked some butt till the ejecting spin.
Levon and I pitted for Gary last year and it was rad. I stayed home this year to see Iron Maiden instead. Gary's V-Drive is insane. Too bad he spun. Next year we will do it.
peace,
Katchy
www.myspace.com/katchy

[SK48]

Scott, you would be in the last division with the fast guy,s. This would be
fine, and your boat would be very competitive. The only down side to the
race, is that you don't have to finish to place. This is the only motor sport
race that I know of that you can win a trophy without crossing the finish line.
Unlike other endurance races ( The real enduro 9 hour, then 7 hour then the
twin 3 hour races ) there are no DNF's at the Ron Hill race. This seems to
be a problem and really cost us several boats that did not come back from
last year. It would be great to see you and your dad running next year.
This is a real fun type of racing, and pretty safe, but the rules favor the
really fast boats, not the ones that work hard and finish the complete distance.

[Moneypitt]

Scott, you would be in the last division with the fast guy,s. This would be
fine, and your boat would be very competitive. The only down side to the
race, is that you don't have to finish to place. This is the only motor sport
race that I know of that you can win a trophy without crossing the finish line.
Unlike other endurance races ( The real enduro 9 hour, then 7 hour then the
twin 3 hour races ) there are no DNF's at the Ron Hill race. This seems to
be a problem and really cost us several boats that did not come back from
last year. It would be great to see you and your dad running next year.
This is a real fun type of racing, and pretty safe, but the rules favor the
really fast boats, not the ones that work hard and finish the complete distance.
Are you saying that a boat that finishes all the laps could/would finish lower than a boat that only ran 1/2 the race? How can that happen? Please explain..........MP

[SK48]

Real simple, Moneypitt. The race is calculated on laps completed not finishing. If a fast boat runs 50 laps in two hours, breaks and does not cross
the finish line, he is scored before a boat that completes the entire race, and
only runs 49 laps. There are no DNF's. All other endurance races it is
required to cross the finish line after the winner or the allotted time.
Example: If I am driving a Ferrari in the 24 hours of Datyona and am 20 laps
in front of the second place porsche, and I break one car length from the
finish line, I do not finish or place. If the Porsche finishes the race at the
end of the 24 hours he wins. Even if he completes less laps.
This system only favors the fast boats and not the smart ones that work
to complete the entire race.

[Boat211]

I am also a little disturbed by this.

[Moneypitt]

Real simple, Moneypitt. The race is calculated on laps completed not finishing. If a fast boat runs 50 laps in two hours, breaks and does not cross
the finish line, he is scored before a boat that completes the entire race, and
only runs 49 laps. There are no DNF's. All other endurance races it is
required to cross the finish line after the winner or the allotted time.
Example: If I am driving a Ferrari in the 24 hours of Datyona and am 20 laps
in front of the second place porsche, and I break one car length from the
finish line, I do not finish or place. If the Porsche finishes the race at the
end of the 24 hours he wins. Even if he completes less laps.
This system only favors the fast boats and not the smart ones that work
to complete the entire race.
But if the slower boat completed 51 laps??? I see the reasoning in both ideas. I was under the impression a boat had to be running at the end to place anywhere. After the boats that are still competing at the end are scored, then the DNFs would be scored according to number of laps. If no one in class finished, then lap count for the class winner, but the overall would be scored with running boats finishing ahead of DNFs, regardless of laps completed. Seems like a few rule "modifications" might be in order. Then again, I have ZERO experience with enduros of any type........MP
PS: I know Ron Hill was very active in the promotion of this race, but is it fair to refer to it as a "Ron Hill" race? Alot of other people worked very hard to make it happen as well, and should be given equal credit, good or bad.....MP

[SK48]

No, a boat does not have to be running at the finish, at the new (Ron Hill & other's race). It is not an endurance race or Enduro with these rules.
The greatest part of the old enduro's was the creative engineering to
make a boat cross the finish line. I ran without three cylinders in a v-8,
push rods removed and rockers for 45 minutes one time at the seven
hour. I won my division in a Seebold tunnel at the 7 hour after sitting
on the docks in front of branson's for 30 minutes waiting for the time to
expire in 1989. We were two laps behind the leader, and could not catch
them, and our boat would not have survived the last 30 minutes. The leader
broke with 10 minutes to go, and we were able to cross the finish line on
two cylinders after the clock ran out. That was a great old Evinrude.
The best part of 1989 was I got to drive Ted May's division II tunnell for
over an hour and help him out. If you follow outboard history Ted May
was a great guy and it was an honor to get in that old (ugly boat) and
make laps for him.

[Moneypitt]

OK, so a boat runs very fast and breaks after 45 laps. Another, slower boat has completed just 44 laps but is running at the end and crosses the finishline after time has expired. As it is now, the 45 lap faster boat would place ahead of the 44 lap slower boat, even though the slower boat was still running. I guess that is not an enduro, that would be a sprint for as long as you last and hope to rack up enough laps. OK, now lets relate to your story, If I went up river and parked for 5 hours, and then started running the last hour, I could do 6 laps and finish under power. Should I score higher than the fast 45 lap guy that broke? Kind of a catch 22. Sandbaggers could be rewarded, and sprinters could be punished for pushing their equipment. I really don't have a dog in this fight, just curious how SHOULD it be scored? Most laps completed, or who is running at the end? I see reasons in both options. How would you score the sandbaggers? I guess you could run a pontoon boat, 20-30 MPH, all day and win? How should an actual enduro be scored?...........Break it and lose all? Finish and take all?............MP

[SK48]

Ray, either way you should have to cross the finish line and take the
checkered flag. In a sprint race, you still have to cross the finish line after
the checkered flag. In a Pro stock sprint race, Jeff Wooton comes in first, and gets the checkered flag, you break and don't cross the finish line, you
get a DNF. Also this new system makes scoring a nightmare.

[Moneypitt]

Ray, either way you should have to cross the finish line and take the
checkered flag. In a sprint race, you still have to cross the finish line after
the checkered flag. In a Pro stock sprint race, Jeff Wooton comes in first, and gets the checkered flag, you break and don't cross the finish line, you
get a DNF. Also this new system makes scoring a nightmare.
Sure in a circle race you have to start and finish. My question was about the sandbaggers that don't push their equipment, or even attempt to make lap count, just finish. I think the difference is time. The "enduro" is a timed event. Who can finish the most laps in a given time period. I seem to recall a broken car winning the Le Mans deal because even though he was in the pits with a broken car the team had logged more laps than the nearest competion when time expired. (like a lap or 2). So I could see the difference here. Boat "A" runs 50 laps, breaks, and is off the course. Boat "B" logs 49 laps in the time alloted, 6 hours, and is running at the finish. The deciding factor would be the number of laps completed in the alloted time, regardless of who was still on the water. Example: Boat "B" was in the pits for repair while boat "A" was running laps. Boat "B" re enters the race and is running at the end, and boat "A" now has the mechanical problem and is making repairs when time expires. Boat "A" ran more laps than boat "B" in the 6 hours alloted to run. Boat "A" would, and should be, the winner. It is after all a timed race, not a specific number of laps. Because of the time element, I guess it shouldn't matter who was on the water or in the pits when time expired. What if Boat "A" was in for a pit stop when time expired? Still running, but in for fuel? Lap count would be the only way to score a timed race...........Right?....It was my understanding that the slower classes were started as much as an hour before the faster boats in an effort to even up the available laps in the given time. Down time, pit stops, (mandatory)and repairs are factored into the end result, laps completed at the expiration of time.........On the water or not......Time, my friend, is the key......MP

[Rexone]

I haven't read the whole thread so excuse me for any redundency...
In ski racing marathons you run for x amount of time, say an hour. (It could just as easily be 300 miles or a given number of laps). The one in front that finishes all the laps first wins. Once the winner crosses the finish line everyone following is flagged in behind him regardless of # of laps run. Thus if you're a lap down and behind the winner, you finish in that position. And... if you don't cross the finish line you're a DNF, period. Which I believe is the way it should be.
You could also do a non-flagged in finish which I can see argument for in the slower classes. That would allow for more strategy and position changing in the slower classes, as well as more attrition for those that can't complete all the laps. Probably a better idea in this type of race where it's a mileage target instead of a time target. That way everyone has to run the 300 miles to finish. If they don't they're DNF.
They also start in 30 second waves (could be any amount of time) and that start time delay is added to your finish time. So if you start say in the second wave 30 seconds back, and finish 29 seconds behind the overall leader from wave one, you win the race based on time. It's easier to administer if all start at the same time but can be tough on the river with 40-50 boats. Also multiple classes participate in the above scenario and are scored by class.
Seems to work.
The long delays between class starts seems a little retarded to me. But then again I've been called a little retarded more than once so maybe it cancels out. :D
Put the fast classes in the first waves and let em rip. That way they're out of the slower classes way when they start. With the timed waves of starts anyone that's fast enough can win overall too. With 50 boats you could start them all in 2 1/2 minutes 10 at a time and be racin. Or 5 at a time in 5 minutes if the river can't handle 10 at once. All boats could have the required timed pit stops or whatever and it would all equal out in the end.

[Moneypitt]

[QUOTE=Rexone]
In ski racing marathons you run for x amount of time, say an hour. (It could just as easily be 300 miles or a given number of laps). The one in front that finishes all the laps first wins. QUOTE]
Mike, is it a timed event, or a mileage/lap event? Big difference, in my mind. If you are running for a specifed length of time, as you said one hour, it would be scored as the boat/skier that completes the most laps within that time frame, right? So boat/skier "A" hauls ass and runs 20 laps in 45 minutes, and parks it. Boat "B" runs the whole hour, slower, and completes 15 laps, who wins? If it were a 20 lap race, instead of a one hour race, and the above took place, boat "A" would be the obvious winner as the race would be over as he completed the 20th lap, right? Same deal for a mileage race. As above, 100 miles, 20 laps of 5 miles each, again "A" wins, and the race is over as he crosses the finish line. A timed event allows teams to "recover" for lost time due to mechanical failures by running faster laps, more laps, within the alloted time. As above, boat "A" could be on the trailer on the way home, but because of 5 laps more than the competition, in the hour, wins. As I said above, TIME is the deciding factor, run as many laps as you can, park it, sandbag up river, or what ever you want, the boat with the most laps at the end of the alloted time, wins...........Ray

[Ron Hill]

The name of the race is The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro. Ron Hill did help promote last's year's race, and did work for the race last year. WWW.BOATRACINGFACTS.COM Ted March and My web site helped promote this year's race also.
I did CLOSE to nothing for this year's race:
I know that Ann Hoban worked long and hard scoring this race and signing everyone up for APBA at the race. I don't know the names of those who helped ANN but she had help from several volunteers. I do know that Kay Boyes drove down to Parker from Yuba City to help out. Her husband Bill, worked for two days on this race. They received a free room paid by RPM Enterprises...
Ted Kolby worked all year getting people in this race.
ADD: The Mni Boat Enduro will be called Ron Hill's Race...
Bob Devine bought part of the poster. Ken Wilcoxen did the same... Bill Reiter paid part also.
Sid Castle drove over from Phoenix, for two years in a row to patrol the whole race, never receiving a dime for his effort...I may have given him a prop....or at least a deal on one..
The Vossmeyer's patrolled last year, for free.
Jimmy Harris patrolled in his new 29 foot Warlock, for free this year.
Pat Hoban patrolled this year for free...
Rod Zapf worked most of the year getting peeople to help out and race...
AND THE REAL PROTMOTER, AND MAN IN CHARGE, ROSS THE BOSS...really did most of the work.
Ben Marrone, entered three boats, and helped with promotional money...
Fred Bowden sponsored my son and Pat Bowman....
Mike Avila came with two boats, because Greg Foster told him he'd have fun....Foster came and raced, at the last minute, because of my posting on WWW.BOATRACINGFACTS.COM , Friday...I called him from the library in Parker....He left for the race at 4:30, Saturday...Boat 19, Mr. Terrible, was a nice PLUS to the race... Greg Foster did this....along with Mark Durham....
Ted Kolby, Rod Zapf and myself, told Ross we wanted to have this race again in 2006, and that we'd UNDERWRITE any losses he might encounter.
These are people and names that come to me...all did more than I did...I would like to think, they deserve credit for putting on The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro...

[flat broke]

Ross can clarify this when he sees it. But it's my understanding (and my understanding could well be wrong) that the 300 is a 60 lap race. When #34 crossed the start/finish line completing his 60th lap, the field was frozen. It didn't matter if you were in the pits, in tow, or on your lap. The only difference would be in the case of a boat in tow vs one on the course under their own power. The boat in tow wouldn't get credit for the lap they were on when the field was frozen, but the other boats that could make it to the start/finish line under their own power would get credit for the last lap.
Bottom line, the winner of the event is the boat that knocks down 60 laps first. A different scenario than the 9hr etc, but fun to participate in and watch just the same.
Chris

[Ron Hill]

On December 3, 2006 at 12:00 there is a RULES MEETING FOR THE 2007 Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro. It is at Greg Falconer's shop in Huntington Beach. 15102 Bolsa Chica Street, Unit G. Phone number 714-315-9136.
Ross has asked that only drivers, team owners and crews that raced this year or last year, attend the meeting. BUT, there is an APBA Region 12 Meeting before this meeting at 10:00 to 12:00 and if you went to the Region Meeting and wanted to "HANG OUT" at the rules meeting, I'm sure no one will be sent home...
BACK GROUND:
The 9 Hour Enduro really went downhill when the outboards won in 1971, but by 1973, it was clear to me, that the V-Drives were leaving the ENDURO IN DROVES. The smart thing to have done would hav been to require all boats to be flat bottoms or vee hulls...No tunnels...as outboard power would out run a V-drive on a 400 pound boat... That's history...
In 1974, I talked Parker into having classes, and entries jumped to almost double 1973....With the death of MOD VP and the invention of the capsule, 2.5 Mercury motors....the Enduro went into HISTORY..
Rod Zapf grew up on the Mississippi River...He and his friends raced boats all the time, when they were kids...they made their own rules, like sand lot baseball. I grew up in California, when we weren't racing, we were playing behind Seaboard Equipment, Bixby Slough, or Tin Can Beach (Bolsa Chica Beach). Saturday was "TEST DAY" but Sunday, we'd go to Tin Can Beach, on PCH (Pacific Coast Highway). We raced, Sunday...Ted May, Herbie, Bobby, Gary Ferguson, John Landon, Joe Moore, Bill Koch, and others... We ran "The Cheater's Sweepstakes" every Sunday, when we didn't race APBA...We had a course for "A", "C" and "D"...We'd race all day...We caused so many accident and traffic jams on PCH,, the CHP put up no parking signs... We made our own rules, and at the end of the day...we all "WON"...Great times... Ted May would make a trophy out of Garage Sales Stuff,......Sometime Pat May was the queen....(Pat was the MODEL for the Joke Page in Playboy....They still have her likeness...gloves and hose...That is waht she modeled...)....
Zapf drove for me in my MOD VP and several Parkers. Rod was a Navy pilot, before he became a Captain for TWA (His son is a TOP Gun pilot, today in Iraq). Rod wishes his son cold come an race with us all, but he has a job to do. and I for one, THANK, Erick Von Zapf for his service to this great country......When Rod lived in Keywest, they had handicapped races all the time...Twin Engine Switzers to 36 Cubic Inch Evinrudes raced together, with handcapped starts...
Rod is the past Commodore of King Harbor Yacht Club and frequently races sailboats.. (They suck)...
It was Rod that decided WE NEEDED a fun race at Parker. Rod came up with the CONCEPT of RED ZONES, TIMED PIT STOPS and HANDICAPPED STARTS. It was Rod WHO WANTED THE RACE TO BE A "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG RACE"... Rod wanted a race, like he'd had when he was a KID...I liked the idea of a "FUN RUN" for NEW people...I said, "I'd help."
Ross Wallach contacted The Blue Water Resort and Casino and worked out a deal with them. The deal is very straight forward... The prize money comes as a percentage of the rooms booked and filled during the race weekend.
The Resort pays the prize money in cash....
Some questions were asked:
I'd like to think that the RULES COMMITTEE, of which I was a member, made all decisions on, "What would be the safest for a NEW DRIVER?" concept. Anytime discussions got heated, it was, "Ok, guys, FUN is the NAME of this race... What is best for a new guy??"
Rod developed the handicaps for last year and for this year. If you do like Paul Grichar and Ben Morrone did, they timed the boats, while they watched the race....They determined that the handicaps wer pretty close...as there were three Division VI boats that could have won....There was a Division V boat two laps behind the winner, a Division II boat...and then third was a Division IV boat....
Finishing to win:
The race doesn't end until SOMEONE goes 60 laps. Last year, had boat 34 not run out of water, the race would have ended an hour earlier...but boat 34 didn't finish, it was leading OVERALL...
This year, we had had three boats in Division I.
A Cracker Box, a Tunnel from Iowa with a 150 HP Merc on it and 007, a 16 foot Glastron with a 40 HP.....
OK, the chances weren't too good that 007 would win overall....But, both drivers, use to patrol races for SCSC, with the Eastman's when they were in their teens (They are in their 40's now).......They just never quite got into racing themselves...
I told them to come and RUN the "BAT BOAT"....Hell, it was James Bond's boat but I didn't know that, but Rod Zapf made a Batman helmet for them, so they wore it...
The Co-driver's daughter was there, 19 years old, and her girl friend...Neither had driven a boat, but after the race, they drove 007 all over the Parker Strip (Until dark) and they said they'd never had so much fun....
Greg Falconer's Cracker Box made the most laps...The tunnel outboard broke early. 007 was running at the end...There was $300 prize money to the winner, Greg, the Division I winer, said, "Let's split the prize money three ways" ... $100 for each "FINISHER"...it went into the casino's slots... I paid the 007 entry fee...
Who won on this deal??? At Badenoch's bar, they made a banner from a sheet that said, "007." They'd run out of the bar and cheer...and flash...
Hey, will these two race the Enduro in 2007?? Probably, both have boats....
I didn't really know the FINISHING RULE, until I asked John Castelli Chief Referee, at the race, what the rule was, as the 007 was running....at the end, average speed of 11 MPH...John said, "The rules say, only one boat needs to go 60 laps...after that, the race is over, the reat are scored by laps completed..."
Boat 211: ...I consider you a friend, so I don't want you to ake this wrong...But I know you guys were worried about fuel at the end...Had you run pout on your last lap...Would you have wanted a DNF or third overall??? The rules committee, felt, if a person has more laps than another boat, he should be the one that gets the prizes...
Truth is, this race was based on the CONCEPT on FUN....
Everyone can step up with rule ideas.
There has been talk of lengthing the boats to 24'6" and maybe giving the handicaps during pits stops, not up front....but many like the idea of NEW DRIVERS starting with SMALL GROUPS......
The winner got $1,500.
We took four gearcases to the race. Twisted one propshalf before the race, realized another didn't need a water pump, it needed gears, the third was an Extra Long....We had one gearcase that worked...And after the race, Dave Strickbauer, Mercury Gearcase GURU, told me, that our gearcase should run about 100 miles....not 300 miles... Fred Bowden's BMB Sortage boat got lucky...somewhat like Ron Hill and Fred Hauenstein did in 1978, when they caught on fire at their pit stop and still won OVERALL...
In 1978, Fred Bowden was racing......too, he had a Taylor with a 150 Johnson.
The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro welcomes anyone that would like to work, race or just come and rent a room, as part of the room rent goes back to the drivers..

[Moneypitt]

Ross can clarify this when he sees it. But it's my understanding (and my understanding could well be wrong) that the 300 is a 60 lap race. When #34 crossed the start/finish line completing his 60th lap, the field was frozen. It didn't matter if you were in the pits, in tow, or on your lap. The only difference would be in the case of a boat in tow vs one on the course under their own power. The boat in tow wouldn't get credit for the lap they were on when the field was frozen, but the other boats that could make it to the start/finish line under their own power would get credit for the last lap.
Bottom line, the winner of the event is the boat that knocks down 60 laps first. A different scenario than the 9hr etc, but fun to participate in and watch just the same.
Chris
So, if a boat had ran 59 laps, blew up, was towed in, and was in the pits when the first 60 lap boat crossed the finish line, the 59 lap, broken boat would be scored with 59 laps. If no other racers completed 59 laps, 2nd place would go to the 59 lap broken boat......Right? Or would a still running boat, completing it's 59th lap under power score higher than the broken boat. Does it matter which boat scored the 59th lap first?..I can see how this could get very confusing, with some boats scoring 35, 40 25 18 or what ever, and breaking, but completing more laps than boats still on the water, when the field was frozen. Also, last year, I seem to recall the clock running down as well as the laps running up. I also seem to recall it was a 6 hour race, regardless if any boat completed 60 laps.....So it would be 60 laps, or 6 hours, which ever happened first??? I am just curious, not trying to argue with anyone, looking for an explanation to try to understand why someone would've been discouraged from coming back this year.......or next......MP

[rossdbos]

First and foremost the rules were in place last March and if there ever was a time to question how the race was going to be run it was between March 06 and October 21, 2006, not after.
Now with that being said, you are confusing a couple of issues:
1. This version of the BWRC "300" Enduro is a Point to Point race (60 Laps, 300 miles), not a sprint (under 15 laps according to the rule book) and not a timed race like the 24 hours of Le Mans or Sebring or the original "9 HOUR ENDURO"-note 9 Hours not 90 laps! Rules for Point to point races are exactly as stated above, the first boat that crosses the finish line with 60 laps is declared the winner, all those that cross the finish after the winner are scored based on number of laps COMPLETED. There are ways to "push" the rules either way, sandbagging, etc. howevever Richard, Jason, Ray and others, make no mistake this is a Point to Point Enduro not a Marathon Enduro. If this presents any issues, please come to the meeting at Greg Falconer's shop on Sunday December 3, 2006 at 10:00 a.m. and we can certainly entertain discussions on this matter and others. To say "we didn't know" or it should have been done like the original Enduro isn't fair as the information was publicly available for 7 months with a Q & A discussion forum and it is exactly how we ran the Enduro 2005.
Any further questions, please pm me at rossdbos26@yahoo.com or call me at (310) 318-4012 or (562) 633-6200.
Thank you,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT.
BTW, this wasn't RON HILL'S race, this was an RPM RACING ENT. produced event. Ron Hill, Ted Kolby, Rod Zapf and myself were on the Rules committee and we were and still are trying to make the event SAFE, FUN AND FAIR! I think this was accomplished in a big way in 2006 with only one minor incident in 4 + hours of Endurance racing.

[gn7]

I can't believe this whole thread. you guys evidently have never seen or hurd of sand baggers. they exsist in every from of raceing. you go out knock down a few laps, park it, go back out knock down some more etc. and finish. BIG DEAL. arn't you the greatest. you put 10 laps and finished. some one else goes out runs his azz off puts in 58 laps and blows something and YOU want the trophy money and glory. Gary Harbeanian burns 200 gallona race gas through his deal and your telling that 007 tens should kicks his ass as a finisher. get real. with rules like that nobody with a boat that runs a decent will show up because they could get dusted by 45 hp O.B. At indy the winner puts in 200 laps and the race is over, if you put in 199 setting in the pits, and every one else runs 198 you are second running or not. welcome to the world of endurance racing.

[Moneypitt]

Well that clears it up. Kinda. Long story/short, you must be running at the end, right? If you're out of the water when some one crosses on their 60th lap, you're screwed? Even if you have completed 59 laps, those still on the water are going to place above you? Even if they only completed 45 laps? If that is the case then I can see how some feathers could get ruffled....MP

[rossdbos]

Ray,
The race is 60 laps. The first boat that crosses the Finish line at 60 laps completed is declared the overall winner. Everyone behind that boat takes the checkered flag. Those in front of the boat (that beat him to the finish line get to complete the lap they are on (in order for them to get scored for that lap they must cross the finish line. Also, they have 15 minutes to do so under their own power.) However this will determine how many laps are completed by the field. As an example, if the winner has already taken the checkered flag(crosses the finish line upon completing 60 laps) and no other boats are on or complete their 60th lap, and another boat has 59 laps and breaks and does not take the checkered flag under their own power in the prescribed time but NO other boats have 59 laps completed that boat gets 2nd place and so on and so forth. In a "point to point" Enduro it goes by how many laps completed so while it's exciting to have the boat take the checkered flag under their own power, which by the way should be the goal this IS NOT a "timed" race whereby to get scored and finish YOU MUST TAKE THE CHECKERED FLAG under your own power. Again in this type Enduro, it is the laps completed that determine the winner on down the line. BTW, this is the way "Point to Point" Endurance Races have been run for over 40 years.
I hope now once and for all there is no more confusion. If you still are confused, and you are available, come to the meeting on December 3, 2006 at Greg Falconer's shop in Huntington Beach.
Thanks,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT.

[gn7]

you get to run with gary harbeanian's 21 ft schiada (about a 120 mph cruise) mike avila's twin blown small blocks in a wellscraft, etc., you get the idea. basically its class 6 UNLIMITED. as big and nasty as you want to be. If you take the blower off and under 525 c.i. you run class 3. maybe I didn't make my self clear on the previous post. the race runs like any long distance enduro like ross said. my post was in response the the WYYYYYNERS that think ANY boat still running beats ANYboat that isn't running ,regardless of the number of laps the broken boat put in. a rule like that is custom for sandbaggers and guys running canoes with a 5 hp trolling motor

[superdave013]

like was said before.
1. you will be with the fast guys. Don't matter if you have a king size bed installed. With a blown engine you will be in the last class to leave the beach.
2. yes to all of that. When I raced it they were pretty cool about everything. If your lifeline is up to date and not much road rash on the brain bucket you will be fine.
3. that's a yes. C'mon, it's your boat. would you race it 300 miles with out that?
4. yes, attached
5. had to make at least 2 stops
6. yeah, you'll prolly need a driver. lol really you will need 2.
7. I just did the one day deal. Think it was 40 bucks
8. Then you should know to get a copy of the rules and not listen to some numbskull like me on the internet. :D

[superdave013]

I can't believe this whole thread. you guys evidently have never seen or hurd of sand baggers. they exsist in every from of raceing. you go out knock down a few laps, park it, go back out knock down some more etc. and finish. BIG DEAL. arn't you the greatest. you put 10 laps and finished. some one else goes out runs his azz off puts in 58 laps and blows something and YOU want the trophy money and glory. Gary Harbeanian burns 200 gallona race gas through his deal and your telling that 007 tens should kicks his ass as a finisher. get real. with rules like that nobody with a boat that runs a decent will show up because they could get dusted by 45 hp O.B. At indy the winner puts in 200 laps and the race is over, if you put in 199 setting in the pits, and every one else runs 198 you are second running or not. welcome to the world of endurance racing.
C'mon man, cut ol' SK48 some slack here. He's prolly down a few points in the TIGHT points race for this once a year deal. :p

[rossdbos]

Okay, so bottom line is go until you see the checkered flag !!!
Answer: You are absolutely correct. This is true for ALL RACING!!!!!
I would like some serious input on a couple of quick questions.
1. What class would my 21 Blown v-drive with interior, or without most of it run ?
Answer: We will know better after the December 3rd rules meeting, which you are welcome to attend. Things will not change drastically, just more "fine tuning" for parity!
2. What safety items do we need, Helmet, engine kill cord, safety -race -jacket, to what spec?
Answer: Snell Approved Helmet, Kill Switch, Return spring for Throttle, lifejacket (which along with the Helmet can be rented from Lifeline either on-site or pre-reserve it and pick it up during check in on Friday-Cost is around $100, I believe but check with Bill at Lifeline.) All this is in the rules posted at www.boatracingfacts.com under the forums section in BWRC '300' Enduro thread entitled official rules. Please visit as 95% of the rules, like this will not change.
3. Fire extinguisher?
Answer: Yes, you should have one on board, along with a paddle and tow rope, in case you break down and need to be towed in, it helps speed things along.
Also, you will need one for your pits for fueling.
4. Tow rope, attached or detached?
Answer: Attached at the Bow Eye and taped back along the deck (to keep from flapping and beating up the deck while racing.)
5. Fuel stops, how many?
Answer: 2 Fuel stops are madatory (10 minutes madatory each time) plus anytime you hit the trailer, ie: even if you have done your two pit stops and you misjudged on gas or have a problem with your motor/propeller, etc. as soon as you put it on the trailer (for the 3rd time or more) it is a 10 minute minimum stoppage each time you hit the trailer but for sure 2 mandatory fuel pit stops.
6. Drivers required ?
Just one, if you want to "iron man it" go for it, conversely, you can have as many co-drivers as you want. All driver's and co-drivers must be signed up at registration or before the start of the event.
7. I see APBA mentioned, do you have to be a member? cost for just this race?
Answer: Yes, a "single event" membership for APBA is $40. This is in addition to your "Entry fee" of $300 (provided you pre-register before the deadline).
8. I am very familiar with participating in racing events, I competed 22 years of motocross and 4 1/2 years of road racing, both at amateur and pro levels, so i'm not a stranger to rules, just want to know the correct ones for this event.
Answer: They will be posted by January leaving 10 months to absorb each and every rule or get all questions answered!
Hope to see you and let me know if there are any questions I can answer.
Sincerely,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT.
Thanks for your time and assistance.
Scott
Today 10:42 PM

[gn7]

my bad, just having a bad day. it's just that we had to rewrite the gn scoreing rules because of shiiiit like that. to many guys would run one lap and sit on the beach until the last lap, run out do another and pat themselves on the back for finishing, and want more points than some guy who ran for 19 laps balls out and broke fifty from finish line. GO FIGURE.

[Ron Hill]

Don't forget you need a scorer, who must go to the scorer's meeting and then sit with the scores during the race AND they must count your laps...
Last year, I don't know who they were, but about four guys ran a Flat Bottom ALL DAY, they had 35 laps in when they went to see what place they were in....They had a scorer, but she had not gone to the meeting and was scoring in her pits... I ACTUALLY went to Ann Hoban and tried to get her to accept their lap count from their pits, but she STUCK with the rules...They didn't really care, thaey had a great time, but might have been about third V-Drive.... or Division II....
Second year in a ROW that a Division II boat won...Just and FYI
ADD: I really don't know much about a lot, but seems to me, the guys that know STUFF could determine, by looking a boat over, if it really was a DIVISION VI. Seems, many guys with blowers ain't blowing a ton of horsepower...and a boat with full interior...maybe should be down a Division or two. Just my thought on the subject....
When I first ran an add for Propeller Reworking, November, 1969, my biggest fear was that my friends would think I was crazy....They did think that, but others bought from me and became friends and customers...Later my friends bought props from me, too.
Your first step, any of you, toward getting into Boat Racing CAN BE THE BLUE WATER RESORT AND CASINO 300 ENDURO.....Join the FUN, ONE and ALL. It is a RUN WHAT YOUR BRUNG RACE!!!!
Our crew, group....team whatever you want to call us, Ross calls us, "The Well Oiled Machine That Is, Chad Hill Racing..." will help anyone with any boat, get into the ENDURO.....Contact me through WWW.HILLMARINE.COM or here...
ADD: Ross may have to change our name as my 17 year old son is going to be part of Hill Racing in 2007...
ADD HUFFPOWER: We had 007, no one cared...Usually, the first one to turn in an entry, gets the number...but, if you wanted, like 17 or 34, even if you entered first, you might have a problem...What is your old race number??

[gn7]

yeah but did that red outboard really belong in div II?

[Ron Hill]

There was a Stoker, just like the RED BOAT, in Division II, he was actually faster than Chad...Al James started behind him and was almost ahead of him on the first lap...But, after four laps he had gearcase problems...something that always happens to production parts when you increase the power....OUr HIGH PERFORMANCE GEARCASE had a twisted shaft, we went with a FISHING CASE, at Driver's meeting. FYI, my Sleek Craft won this class last year, and had they not run out of gas, they'd have been third....Overall....
The results went Division II, V, IV, IV.....It was an Enduro....It could have gone Division VI, VI, IV, V....But the two VI's AND IV DIDN'T RUN A TROUBLE FREE RACE... The handicap system gives hope to everyone. Without handicaps, there would be no race....
Had Foster and Durham NOT LOST A SKEG on their gearcase, they would have won. Had Avila's NUMBER SIX Speedmaster not gone south, his single engine would have won, Had boat number 17 not parted company with its driver he would have won....Had the dog not stopped to take a carp, he'd have caught the rabbit...
Come to the 12/3/06 rules meeting and put in your thoughts..GN7, I'd vote, should be a Division I boat with the diesel... I hope the GN Group allow your diesel to run turbo charged.....Why aren't turbos allowed in GN anyway???

[flat broke]

yeah but did that red outboard really belong in div II?
Did ob tunnels belong starting that 15 minutes in front of the inboards? IMHO no, and I think the results confirm that; but I didn't run a boat, so it's not my place to whine. The meeting on December 3rd sounds like it is something someone who is planing on running a boat in 07 should attend.
Ross, can you provide lap times and counts for the boats from this year and last prior to the meeting? This way, everyone has had a chance to look at the numbers and can be informed of the "reality" of the different performance aspects of each class, which should ultimately lead to a more productive meeting and hopefully closer parity in next year's event. Also, if at all possible, can we designate propulsion types within each of the divisions for that data? Reason being is that there are mixed propulsion types in most of the divisions and perhaps when we look at the individual divisions we are over-looking the performance of one propulsion type vs another.
Just one other question that I was kinda curious about. Why do div2 outboards not have to have operable fwd neutral and reverse (at least it's not mentioned in the version of the rules I have for 06) but the div4 and 5 do? I don't know much about outboards, so there may be a good reason for this, but it struck me as kinda odd, so I thought I'd ask.
I'll cross post the later portion of this post over to the BWC thread on BRF.com
Chris

[Ron Hill]

I'm on my way to Joey Cucci's via Phoenix...So, I need to get going (I'm in Costa Mesa)...
I think, Division II said, PRODUCTION gearcase, no nose cone...a Production Gearcase WOULD BE A FULL SHIFTER...
I had lunch with Ben Marrone, Plan B, 305, the other day. He and Paul Gritchar, after their rides broke...timed all the boats and made sme serious calculations... I'm pretty sur Ben will share his thoughts...Rod Zaph, who Co_drove with Joey Cucci, made the handicapps for the last two years... (He and Lee won Division II last year)....He will figure next year's handicaps, I assume..he does SAilboat Handicaps all the time...
To paraphrase Ben Marrone's thoughts:
The HANDICAPS were really right on...except Division I (No really seriously legal Division I boat ran.....(Well, maybe that isn't fair, as Lee (Boat nmber 8, "TIGER", from Iowa, came for "BEAR" but had engine trouble early...)....By the time Ben and Gritch started timing, boat #8 was on the trailer for the day.
Gritch and Ben, felt, Division III, V-Drive would have been 6 minutes behind Chad's winning boat...But, Division VI AND FOSTER'S DIVISION IV WOULD HAVE WON....Boat 48, Division V, was two laps behind Chad...
If all the Divisions boat would have run all day, Chad's Division II boat would have lost about 40 seconds a lap....as I was, the last was hours was GLASS....An outboard will haul in glass....
ADD: It was decided, early on by the rules committee, that most of the prize money should go to the Divisions, in case the handicapped were way off... Top Ten was more "STATUS"....Though it was argued out as such, to only have A WINNER... I like the TOP TEN and founght to have th TOP TEN recoganized....

[MAXIMUS]

I really don't want to get to deep into this until we all get together for the meeting... I will say this! Had Plan B not have broke & continued to run as hard as Grich was driving we would not have been fast enough to win. Looking at some of the lap times, The divison 6 boats would have caught us & we would not have been able to pick up the lost time on divison 2. My feeling is we were not a good example for lap times as we were faster than anybody else in divison 3 & broke as a result! Gary was very fast in divison 6 and got tossed as a result! So there are a lot of factors that need to be considered for next year! I think that we had a kick ass race with great results from the winning boats!!!! PERIOD!!! We broke all 3 boats and had a friggen blast anyway...
Having my good friend Joey Cucci in Kolby's boat give me that friendly wave as he passed by while I was broke down is what this shit is all about.... :D
I suggest that anybody planning on running next year should attend this meeting. I will be bringing all the information we collected from this year & throw it out there to chew on... Everybody else should do the same! :)

[gn7]

I agree with 90% of what you said, and yes most of the prize money does need to stay with the classes if you keep the currant setup. But my watch said Div 6 didn't have a snow balls chance, chad was running 20 seconds a lap slower, and gary was running out time quick. I don't claim to have an answer, and I will surely be back next year, but I have to wonder how I would feel knowing I brought out the biggest baddest gun and was handed that handicap, and the fact that the 6 boats burn fuel to the tune of a gallon a minute or better,the cost is throught the roof. And you really have no chance at all. I ran a div 3 boat and if the handicap was one minute between classes for saftey reasons on the starts, it wouldn't bother me a bit. If the 6's started 3min behind us and past us on the third lap, so be it. You bring gun that big to a knive fight you deserve to win. With the currant set up that will never happen NEVER. and I am currantly looking for ob that JUST fits under the div 2 rules. Question? did the div I boats lose time on the handicap or did the div II boat gain time when they join the classes on the start.

[gn7]

[QUOTE=MAXIMUS] We broke all 3 boats and had a friggen blast anyway...
Having my good friend Joey Cucci in Kolby's boat give me that friendly wave
Damn does this mean you will be back next year? And that wave from joey is his way of saying stop by my trailer after the race BIG BOY.

[rossdbos]

No not Meth, tweek the rules as we will continue to do every year to strive for PARITY! "Had I not broke", "woulda", "coulda", etc. On December 3 it get's settled. All the lap times, pit stops, etc. from this years Enduro will go into making and "tweeking" the rules to make it so that Division I thru VI have an equal opportunity to win the '07 Enduro. The dream remains the same, to have all divisions on the same lap fighting to the finish, but alas it will be just a dream because I will hear.... "if I didn't break, I had a problem with my motor, I missed my pit stop, etc." . The fact remains it was close and the rules will continue to evolve and be made tighter. One can't say with 100% certainty that he/she didn't have a fair shot at winning as the variable factors (motor woes, water conditions, etc.) always play into it but can't be accounted for until after the fact. As I mentioned at the race site I am intent on having Division I (from the 06 rules) be absorbed into Division II and that will become the new Division I. For two years we have had 6 total boats (3 each year) in Division I and had offered many ways to get them there but they failed to show up. Now it's time to try something else. I also wish to extend the maximum length to 25' as I know it will open up the event to more Mfg. thus more entries as I can't have another year of barely a "breakeven".
The meeting on December 3 is extremely important and I encourage everyone who raced or participated to attend. Btw, this meeting is not open to the "keyboard cowboy" crew who have an opinion on everything but never step up an actually race. I need people who are committed to actually racing that have raced in '05 and '06.
Last, Bill, Division I got merged with Division II at the start because per the rules the race committee used their discretion and it would have looked ridiculous to start the Enduro with 3 boats, however at the end of the race, the amount of laps completed by the 3 Division I boats in the first 15 minutes of the race got added to their total amount of laps completed at the finish, they got their handicap back.
Again, we are only trying to make it fair for all divisions and the racers, owners and crew's feedback and input is important. BTW, I PM'd you earlier today and I need your response.
Take care,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT.

[gn7]

dear Ross, its not Bill here. he does have enough sack to come on here and BITCH. And don't think I am complaining, I loved that damn race and wish we could it twice a year. and bring out those 25 ftrs and start them early, like ron said those little outboards love rough.

[Moneypitt]

It's on now. "Keyboard cowboys" huh? Ross, why don't you call it like you really see it? Don't hold back........Seriously, I was at the first one, and it seemed like alot of people were having WAY too much fun. I'm sure this one was as good or better on the fun scale, and in the end, that's what its all about. Keep doing what you're doing Ross. My hats off to you and all the others that do so much to keep this race, and this sport alive.........Ray

[lilrick]

Well, I'm a keyboard cowboy and I sure plan on goin' to this meeting!!

[rossdbos]

Rick, we'll see ya there!
Bob, sorry for the confusion, I thought it was you but some of the postings seemed like Bill, ooh well.
On to the meeting!
Ross
A note for those that can't attend but want their input heard, please email me at rossdbos26@yahoo.com with you questions, comments and concerns or suggestions for 2007.
Again open to those that raced in '05 and '06