Shocking article in LA Times

[Not So Fast]

A friend just sent me this email and I dont know if its old or not but its unbelieveable, here it is believe it or not!!
40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10million
> people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was
because
>they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green
card.
>
>2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
>
>3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal
aliens.
>
>4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien
>Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
>
>5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are
>Mexican nationals here illegally.
>
>6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in
>garages.
>
>7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most
>likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
>
>8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
>
>9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
>
>10.In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English.
>3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County). (All the
>above from the Los Angeles Times)
>
>Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on
>welfare.
>
>Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90%
>of California, Florida, and New York)results from immigration.
>
>The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was,
>
>after subtracting taxes immigrants pay),a NET$70 BILLION a year,
>[Professor Donald Huddle,Rice University].
>
>29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
>If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstrate by the
>thousands, why can't they take charge over the corruption in their own
>country? According to the L.A. Times, Orange County, California is home
>to 275 gangs with 17,000 members; 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.
>
>HOW CAN YOU HELP?: Send copies of this letter to at least two other
>people, 100 would be even better. California Coalition for Immigration
>5942 Edinger, Suite 113-117,
>Huntington Beach, CA 92649
>
>

[Trailer Park Casanova]

Underground economy/black market labor and services is the next BFD.
Taxes and regulation has not only hit a paradox, it's exceeded it.
Probably Half the white people and most the Asians I know that run businesses pay no taxes, or very little taxes at all.
I get asked to do for cash / no recipt discount work frequently.
It's getting into mid-size business too.
It's all who ya know and working on pure good reputation.
None of the smokers in my circle of friends pays more than a buck for a pack of cigarettes.
If they have a trade, they work under the table.
It's the rage now.

[wsuwrhr]

I would question the source(s),
But I am sure at least half of your post is true.
Brian

[CA Stu]

According to the most controversial study of those discussed here, the benefits and costs of immigration to the United States in 1992 add up to a total net cost to all levels of government of $42.5 billion. This study, by Donald Huddle, was sponsored by the Carrying Capacity Network, a nonprofit group that advocates major reductions in immigration to the United States. "The Costs of Immigration" (Huddle 1993) uses estimation procedures that include a variety of errors. When these errors are corrected, the post-1970 immigrants in Huddle's study actually show a surplus of revenues over social service costs of at least $25 billion
Wsuwrhr is right, a good portion of the email is valid...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp
Snopes. com is your friend.
I just pasted the last paragraph here in case people didn't want to read all the rest of the page on Snopes.com
Thanks
CA Stu

[wsuwrhr]

One thing I can't understand is why isn't THIS KIND of information reported on the news?
Brian

[CA Stu]

One thing I can't understand is why isn't THIS KIND of information reported on the news?
Brian
Because it's not really true?
If you read the whole article I linked, or just the last paragraph I copied, you will see that illegal aliens have contributed $25 billion net to the economy. That'll never be on the news, guaranteed.
It's easier to sell papers and ad space with sensational, slanted news.
The truth isn't as exciting as lying and blowing things out of proportion, I guess.
Why do people hate the truth yet love to repeat damn lies?
Cheers
CA Stu

[Boatcop]

One thing I can't understand is why isn't THIS kind of information is not reported on the news?
Brian
You've got to be kidding, right? The liberal media? Not a chance.
I was in downtown Phoenix on Monday and got caught in the middle of a protest by ASU students against our Proposition 300. (Would prevent illegal immigrants from getting "in-state" tuition rates).
The news just talked about the poor kids just trying to better themselves, and they would lose out on higher education.
A US citizen who happens to live in CA or NV has to pay 4 times what someone in the country illegally pays at any AZ University or College. All the while our AZ residents (US Citizens) are subsidizing their Education with our Tax Dollars. :mad:
Anyone else see a problem with that?

[Boatcop]

Because it's not really true?
If you read the whole article I linked, or just the last paragraph I copied, you will see that illegal aliens have contributed $25 billion net to the economy. That'll never be on the news, guaranteed.
It's easier to sell papers and ad space with sensational, slanted news.
The truth isn't as exciting as lying and blowing things out of proportion, I guess.
Why do people hate the truth yet love to repeat damn lies?
Cheers
CA Stu
That study was 1993.
Since then another 14 million illegals have come here. If the same study was done again, I think the figures would be quite different.

[CA Stu]

You've got to be kidding, right? The liberal media? Not a chance.
I was in downtown Phoenix on Monday and got caught in the middle of a protest by ASU students against our Proposition 300. (Would prevent illegal immigrants from getting "in-state" tuition rates).
The news just talked about the poor kids just trying to better themselves, and they would lose out on higher education.
A US citizen who happens to live in CA or NV has to pay 4 times what someone in the country illegally pays at any AZ University or College. All the while our AZ residents (US Citizens) are subsidizing their Education with our Tax Dollars. :mad:
Anyone else see a problem with that?
College students will protest anything, you know that.
If the illegals are living in AZ do they pay the same rate as a US citizen living in AZ?
Thanks
CA Stu

[Boatcop]

College students will protest anything, you know that.
If the illegals are living in AZ do they pay the same rate as a US citizen living in AZ?
Thanks
CA Stu
Yes.
And they bring their illegal cousins and other relatives from other states, claim they live here, and THEY get in state rates, too.

[CA Stu]

That study was 1993.
Since then another 14 million illegals have come here. If the same study was done again, I think the figures would be quite different.
If a smaller number means a net income, wouldn't it stand to reason that a larger number means a larger net income?
Also, do the underlying characteristics still ring true? i.e. "Except for refugees, immigrants who arrived in the past decade receive public assistance at significantly lower rates than native-born Americans. Moreover, when refugees are excluded, immigrant use of public benefits actually decreased during the 1980s. Welfare use among working-age (15 to 64 years), non-refugee immigrants is very low." Source : http://www.urban.org/publications/305184.html
This data was all based on the 1990 census, it would be interesting to see the same study done with the 2000 census.
I just feel that a lot of folks see brown skin and all their common decency and ability to think rationally goes out the window, and they start sounding like a bunch of KKK members from 1960 Mississippi...
Cheers
CA Stu

[CA Stu]

Yes.
And they bring their illegal cousins and other relatives from other states, claim they live here, and THEY get in state rates, too.
Do they not pay AZ sales tax? Property tax? Income Tax? Car tax?
Not trying to be a contrary jerk, just wondering why, if they pay all the other tax based costs of living in AZ, they aren't entitled to use the public facilities at the same cost as other residents?
Thanks
CA Stu

[chub]

If a smaller number means a net income, wouldn't it stand to reason that a larger number means a larger net income?
Also, do the underlying characteristics still ring true? i.e. "Except for refugees, immigrants who arrived in the past decade receive public assistance at significantly lower rates than native-born Americans. Moreover, when refugees are excluded, immigrant use of public benefits actually decreased during the 1980s. Welfare use among working-age (15 to 64 years), non-refugee immigrants is very low." Source : http://www.urban.org/publications/305184.html
This data was all based on the 1990 census, it would be interesting to see the same study done with the 2000 census.
I just feel that a lot of folks see brown skin and all their common decency and ability to think rationally goes out the window, and they start sounding like a bunch of KKK members from 1960 Mississippi...
Cheers
CA Stu
So when is it OK for illegal immagrants as opposed to legal immigrants ok to go to American schools? Sorry I just can't get behind this in any way. Brown,Black, White whatever, the russians are huge welfare scamers here. They need to go to. Flame on!

[chub]

Do they not pay AZ sales tax? Property tax? Income Tax? Car tax?
Not trying to be a contrary jerk, just wondering why, if they pay all the other tax based costs of living in AZ, they aren't entitled to use the public facilities at the same cost as other residents?
Thanks
CA Stu
Not being a jerk here either, Property tax is payed by the land lord of the folks they rent from 4 person house rented by 16 peeps me = not paying their share, Income tax working under the table = enough said, car tax? sorry i don't understand this one, my bad. Sorry, sales tax they don't tend to buy big ticket new items.

[Boatcop]

Do they not pay AZ sales tax? Property tax? Income Tax? Car tax?
Not trying to be a contrary jerk, just wondering why, if they pay all the other tax based costs of living in AZ, they aren't entitled to use the public facilities at the same cost as other residents?
Thanks
CA Stu
Sales tax? Yes.
Property Tax? Only if they own property. If they rent, the property owners pay the tax, but there are sometimes 3 or 4 or more families living in the same property. Essentially accounting for only 1/3 to 1/4 or less of potential property tax. (Property taxes goes to the Counties, not the State)
Income Tax? No. They need a social security number for that.
Car tax? Mostly no. When we stop illegals they are usually driving unregistered, uninsured (or stolen) vehicles, and have no or fraudulent, drivers licenses, or are driving on suspended privileges, due to FTAs on tickets they've received. (I can't say all are like that. Only every one I've encountered)

[ratso]

Do they not pay AZ sales tax? Property tax? Income Tax? Car tax?
Not trying to be a contrary jerk, just wondering why, if they pay all the other tax based costs of living in AZ, they aren't entitled to use the public facilities at the same cost as other residents?
Thanks
CA Stu
What is this????
Swing From Illegal Alien's Nuts Week??? :burningm:

[chub]

Sales tax? Yes.
Property Tax? Only if they own property. If they rent, the property owners pay the tax, but there are sometimes 3 or 4 or more families living in the same property. Essentially accounting for only 1/3 to 1/4 or less of potential property tax. (Property taxes goes to the Counties, not the State)
Income Tax? No. They need a social security number for that.
Car tax? Mostly no. When we stop illegals they are usually driving unregistered, uninsured (or stolen) vehicles, and have no or fraudulent, drivers licenses, or are driving on suspended privileges, due to FTAs on tickets they've received. (I can't say all are like that. Only every one I've encountered)
DING!

[chub]

What is this????
Swing From Illegal Alien's Nuts Week??? :burningm:
Only for some!

[CA Stu]

Sales tax? Yes.
Property Tax? Only if they own property. If they rent, the property owners pay the tax, but there are sometimes 3 or 4 or more families living in the same property. Essentially accounting for only 1/3 to 1/4 or less of potential property tax. (Property taxes goes to the Counties, not the State)
Income Tax? No. They need a social security number for that.
Car tax? Mostly no. When we stop illegals they are usually driving unregistered, uninsured (or stolen) vehicles, and have no or fraudulent, drivers licenses, or are driving on suspended privileges, due to FTAs on tickets they've received. (I can't say all are like that. Only every one I've encountered)
I defer to your experience. Mostly.
On the income tax, if they are working at a business under a fraudulent SSN, the tax is deducted from their check, deposited to the state, and they have no chance of ever reclaiming it, right?
On the property tax, the landlord should be held responsible for renting to illegals, I believe there is a law proposed for this exact purpose here in CA.
It would really suck to invest your life savings in a house for you and your family only to have 25 people move into the same house right next door.
Car tax: when you stop an unlicensed vehicle, you impound it, right? Who gets the cash that process generates?
Again, not trying to be contrary, I'm trying to understand the vehemence.
If it's moral outrage, that's one thing.
If it's racism, let's call it what it really is.
What is this????
Swing From Illegal Alien's Nuts Week??? :burningm:
Dude, are you a felon, or just a jailbird?
Hush up.
Thanks
CA Stu

[ratso]

I defer to your experience. Mostly.
On the income tax, if they are working at a business under a fraudulent SSN, the tax is deducted from their check, deposited to the state, and they have no chance of ever reclaiming it, right?
On the property tax, the landlord should be held responsible for renting to illegals, I believe there is a law proposed for this exact purpose here in CA.
It would really suck to invest your life savings in a house for you and your family only to have 25 people move into the same house right next door.
Car tax: when you stop an unlicensed vehicle, you impound it, right? Who gets the cash that process generates?
Again, not trying to be contrary, I'm trying to understand the vehemence.
If it's moral outrage, that's one thing.
If it's racism, let's call it what it really is.
Dude, are you a felon, or just a jailbird?
Hush up.
Thanks
CA Stu
I beat the felony... try to keep up bitch... :boxingguy

[CARLSON-JET]

I honestly cannot say what is worse. 10 million illegals gaining entrance to this country or the 10,000 polititions waving them over. I have to believe the latter is at fault. R.B.

[Not So Fast]

Point being it's easy to say the figures are skewed and not correct but they are probably close. We all know it if you live or have lived in the southwest. My question is how did we get into this situation, and you can't point the finger at one political group or administration. This has taken some time to come to fruition right? Problem is now what do we do and who will do it. Illegals collecting S.S. WTF!!!! Emergency rooms bursting at the seams WTF!! Providing free medical services WTF !!! This crap has got to stop regardless of how it's done and I'll vote for any politician who has the backbone to REALLY bring about and enforce laws to do so. We have become a nation that is TOO concerned about being politically correct to the point of self destruction both finacially and morally!!!!!!!!!
This is the greatest country in the world but unless we become a little more selfish and tell other countries (regardless of who they are) to back the F.O. then we and our children will not survive because there are a lot of destructive forces out there just waiting to wipe us out if we do not remain strong. Sorry for the rant. NSF

[UltraClean]

:rolleyes: I dont know why i click on these threads....ignorant f*cks

[centerhill condor]

I honestly cannot say what is worse. 10 million illegals gaining entrance to this country or the 10,000 polititions waving them over. I have to believe the latter is at fault. R.B.
yea, and what about sending "unarmed" NG units to protect the border? what was that other than a photo op and prep for political advertisements.

[stoker]

Not being a jerk here either, Property tax is payed by the land lord of the folks they rent from 4 person house rented by 16 peeps me = not paying their share, Income tax working under the table = enough said, car tax? sorry i don't understand this one, my bad. Sorry, sales tax they don't tend to buy big ticket new items.
Quote: Boat Cop
Sales tax? Yes.
Property Tax? Only if they own property. If they rent, the property owners pay the tax, but there are sometimes 3 or 4 or more families living in the same property. Essentially accounting for only 1/3 to 1/4 or less of potential property tax. (Property taxes goes to the Counties, not the State)
Income Tax? No. They need a social security number for that.
Car tax? Mostly no. When we stop illegals they are usually driving unregistered, uninsured (or stolen) vehicles, and have no or fraudulent, drivers licenses, or are driving on suspended privileges, due to FTAs on tickets they've received. (I can't say all are like that. Only every one I've encountered)
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BoatCop
Are Boat Cop and Chub the same person? If not they are sure on the same page at the same time. :rolleyes: [B]

[centerhill condor]

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