Wakes upsetting people?

[Beer-30]

I don't get this whole thing. I guess to each their own, different things upset people more than others.
I know there was a whole dealio not too long ago about low-freeboard jets and v-drive owners getting pissed at all the big boats and wakeboard boats, due to their wakes. Of course, the bottom line is, unless it's a private lake, we all have to share and deal with the by-products of others' choices.
Two different times now, I have been out a Buena Vista and had wakeboard boats raise arms at me. The first time, my attention was drawn by the kid yelling at me. I looked in that direction and saw a late-teen/early twenty dude standing in the tourney boat with arms straight out from his sides (like WTF?). I stopped, turned around, and headed toward them because I though maybe something flew out of the boat and they were being nice to call me back.
I idled up to them and asked what was wrong. He said, oh nuthin. I just thought a boat like that would throw out more wake than it does. I just said OH, OK. I put the tips right toward their boat and throttled up.
Last weekend, the wife and I were on our first lap and there was a tourney boat stopped toward the north side. I swung way out south of them, probably 150-175 feet. As I was abeam them, I saw one guy standing in the boat with arms raised. I just ignored and drove on.
The fact of the matter is, when I am on plane, this boat doesn't throw much of a wake at all. Definitely less than a wakeboard boat with weight and a wedge.
The only other think I can think of is how some people get annoyed at peeps just running around the lake with nothing in tow. I can somewhat relate, as when I was a kid, we used to question why people were just running around the lake(s) without a skiier in tow.
I still ski and wakeboard from time to time, but most of the time I just use the boat to get us and friends to the fun locations.
It doesn't upset me, it is more amusing that anything. I am just venting because I think there are so many other things in life and at the lake to be worried about than what someone else chooses to drive.

[Dan Lorenze]

I have no problems at all with sizes of wakes that any boat regardless of size would kick up. The only thing that bothers me is rookie drivers that love to get real close to my boat, I like a lot of breathing room for errors that might occur, and I always give the right of way to bigger boats.. Wakeboard/Ski boats just want to be left alone so they can enjoy smooth water, which I can understand.... Your 30' at BV is a lot of boat, people are probably just scared of you... :D

[Prop Rod]

I just dont understand why people have to drive by at 20mph, bow straight in the air 25' off my anchor line. WTF!? :mad:
I have no problem with all the big boats and ski boats or what ever else is out on the lake if people just had some consideration. Most of the time the big boats are cruising right along and hardly throw a wake at all.

[DSW]

I think wakes can get annoying sometimes but I don't blame the boater. When I head up the river from Havasu in my 24' Calabria I get thrown around by all the bigger boats wakes. It's just part of being out on the lake!

[Morg]

Everybody on the river & lakes has the right to enjoy there boats. Boats put off wakes that is just part of the deal.
With that said it used to be a very common deal for boats to throttle down & let me have some decent water. In fact people even seemed to enjoy watching a 100mph plus pass by a flatty.
Has not happened to me in the last couple of years. Just seems people are a lot less considerate than they used to be.
There are no laws & there should NOT be any laws to make this happen.
Just a little common courtesy would be nice now & then.
Speaking of laws, aren't you responsible for you wakes??

[ratso]

It's the boats with the friggin' water bags... if they'd just stay away from where everybody has their boats pulled up on the beaches... I save the go fast stuff more for during the week when the lake isn't as congested, because I know that also pisses off alot of boaters...

[YeLLowBoaT]

Speaking of laws, aren't you responsible for you wakes??
yes, you are ( atleast in CA) I always try to give some one as much distance as I can when passing/driving by/what ever.

[motormonkey]

The lakes are for everybody to enjoy ,but why take a ocean barge to a small lake and wonder why smaller boats get pissed. I think the thing that bugs the most is when you float in a no wake- 5 mph zone and the biggist boat on the lake has to do 20 mph 10 feet away so they can check it out.

[DSW]

It's the boats with the friggin' water bags... if they'd just stay away from where everybody has their boats pulled up on the beaches... I save the go fast stuff more for during the week when the lake isn't as congested, because I know that also pisses off alot of boaters...
Most hardcore wakeboarders will usually stay away from everybody else. They want to have lots of room all to themselves. Doesnt work if your on a smaller lake though. :crossx:

[HCS]

If I want to ski I go where there's no people.
Other than that it's all for one. There's no rules......... :rolleyes:

[Seadog]

No matter what, you are responsible for any damage caused by your wake. That can be shoreline erosion or damage to a dock, as well as other boats. The hard part is proving guilt.

[RiverOtter]

Here a site that really hates Big Wakes click (www.chattanoogaboats.com) . Go to the Inconsiderate Boaters Tab and click it.

[centerhill condor]

our marina has bouys that indicate the no wake zone. the condor doesn't put out much wake anyway. Don't like waves..stay off the water!

[91nordic29]

I just dont understand why people have to drive by at 20mph, bow straight in the air 25' off my anchor line. WTF!? :mad:
the last person that did that to us had to pay for alot of damage . :mad:

[THOR]

Wakes are wakes. But, what pisses me off to no end are the dumb mother f'ers that think the 'no wake' signs dont apply to them. Why do guys cruise through the channel tossing a wake? Get a clue. The worst at this it the dumbass that drives the casino boat from the channel to Havasu Landing. That is one ignorant POS. He rides your ass all the way in and out of the channel. I cant wait for the day some hot head beats his ass in front of all the casino goers. :)

[shueman]

Roll-cage boats; don't get it.... :rolleyes:
They prolly were waitin' for the water to smooth out so they can make a run down the straight-away.... You messed up "their" water.... :crossx:
Seems odd that they need flat water to ski in, but need the boat to generate a 1'-2' curl for jumping... :220v:

[Not So Fast]

Wakes are wakes. But, what pisses me off to no end are the dumb mother f'ers that think the 'no wake' signs dont apply to them. Why do guys cruise through the channel tossing a wake? Get a clue. The worst at this it the dumbass that drives the casino boat from the channel to Havasu Landing. That is one ignorant POS. He rides your ass all the way in and out of the channel. I cant wait for the day some hot head beats his ass in front of all the casino goers. :)
And the rollers that the Dream Catcher makes cost me 2 fractured vertabres (sp?) a couple of years ago. He was already at the landing but his wake carries on forever. Also if you boat on the river section of Havasu you must know about the River Boat Tours, if not BEWARE, They are super dangerous!! NSF

[THOR]

Roll-cage boats; don't get it.... :rolleyes:
They prolly were waitin' for the water to smooth out so they can make a run down the straight-away.... You messed up "their" water.... :crossx:
Seems odd that they need flat water to ski in, but need the boat to generate a 1'-2' curl for jumping... :220v:
I find is very ironic that the rollbar boats contribute to about 90% of the f*&^ up water. Yet, they wont quit riding in circles. It doesnt make any sense to me.

[XtrmWakeborder]

In my personal experience in Parker I get water over the back of my boat everytime i go floating. It sucks, but nobody is doing it on purpose. It doesn't matter if it's a 30' sleek, 21' ultra, or 23' Malibu they all do it to my boat at one time or another. You can't get mad though if they are being considerate and not trying to sink you. It's everybodys lake, don't get so butthurt when the water gets messed up.

[Monkey Bung]

Everybody on the river & lakes has the right to enjoy there boats. Boats put off wakes that is just part of the deal.
With that said it used to be a very common deal for boats to throttle down & let me have some decent water. In fact people even seemed to enjoy watching a 100mph plus pass by a flatty.
Has not happened to me in the last couple of years. Just seems people are a lot less considerate than they used to be.
There are no laws & there should NOT be any laws to make this happen.
Just a little common courtesy would be nice now & then.
Speaking of laws, aren't you responsible for you wakes??
100 MPH?????? Lets try 84 mph pal. :D :D

[Mandelon]

Buena Vista is the size of a bathtub, how can anyone expect clean water there??? Where else are you gonna go expect around in the big oval? You really run a 30' boat there? LOL that's crazy. :p

[BadKachina]

Here a site that really hates Big Wakes click (www.chattanoogaboats.com) . Go to the Inconsiderate Boaters Tab and click it.
What a bunch of cry babies on that site........... :rolleyes:

[Beer-30]

Glad to see most all of us are on the same page. I don't want someone running by right next to me while I'm floating, so I don't do it to other people. Even at BV, there is plenty of room to swing wide. I always raise a hand to people that are stopped, regardless if they have a person or rope in the water or not.
We're all going to have wakes hit us from time to time and I think most all of us know there's nothing to do about it. I don't mind them, because like previously mentioned - nobody is doing it on purpose.
Nice responses. Thanks for the backup.

[TollyWally]

I have a little different situation up here in Puget Sound. We're in the salt and sometimes can go for miles without having to turn. We don't get the round and round lake wake problems. The downside to the Sound is that you get a lot less glass. Another boat can muck up "your water".
When I was a kid, wakes were a much bigger problem waterskiing. Now the average waterskier is an old fart 45 or 50 years old. All the kids and almost all the boats are set up to wakeboard. So now if you're waterskiing and some kid is pulling a wakeboard and ruining the clean water, no real big deal. The kids are moving so slow you're past them in just a cut or two and back into the clean. They don't care about clean water so all is good. One of the few things that has gotten better.LOL

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

I just dont understand why people have to drive by at 20mph, bow straight in the air 25' off my anchor line. WTF!? :mad:
I have no problem with all the big boats and ski boats or what ever else is out on the lake if people just had some consideration. Most of the time the big boats are cruising right along and hardly throw a wake at all.
That's the problem I have with them as well. I understand they want to swing into a cove, but do they have to go so damm close to the other boats? One time we had about 3-4 boats tied together in a small but deep cove at Mohave and some guys wakeboarding kept coming in and doing circles around us. The wake ripped the tie off cleats right out of our deck. It's a big lake, and we were almost to the basin, was it really necessary to swing into THAT particular cove repeatedly? There are inconsiderate people in every crowd though, that includes ***boaters.

[Boatcop]

If the Dream catcher, Dixie Bell or any other tour boats are throwing up wakes in "No Wake" areas or otherwise endangering other boats you can file a complaint with the Coast Guard at:
USCG Sector San Diego
Attn: Inspections Division
2710 N. Harbor Drive
San Diego, CA 92101
Ph: 619-278-7241
Fax: 619-278-7235
(Business hours only)
Those boats are CG inspected and required to have Licensed Captains. Make sure you note the exact time, place and circumstances.

[Not So Fast]

Thanks but in my case they were in open water so to speak. But the size of the wakes, especially the tour boats thru the river. I truly think they could swamp a freeboard challenged boat, hell maybe more. NSF

[Boa1277]

Thanks but in my case they were in open water so to speak. But the size of the wakes, especially the tour boats thru the river. I truly think they could swamp a freeboard challenged boat, hell maybe more. NSF
If you are a licensed captain you are responsible for your wake, in fact if you are driving a vessel it does not matter what size you are responsible for your wake. People do not understand this. If you pass by a boat with some old lady standing up in her pontoon and your wake causes this old bitty to fall, guess what you are going to get sued if they can prove it was you and your wake that caused it.(video cameras work) If you are a holding a license the coast guard can and probably will suspend your license up to a year. I will tell you this it is part of Rules of The Road, if you are driving a boat, you are responsible for your wake!

[GHT]

I think you should trim down and run around 30 knots...... That should give them a wake to bitch about.. :crossx:

[THOR]

If the Dream catcher, Dixie Bell or any other tour boats are throwing up wakes in "No Wake" areas or otherwise endangering other boats you can file a complaint with the Coast Guard at:
USCG Sector San Diego
Attn: Inspections Division
2710 N. Harbor Drive
San Diego, CA 92101
Ph: 619-278-7241
Fax: 619-278-7235
(Business hours only)
Those boats are CG inspected and required to have Licensed Captains. Make sure you note the exact time, place and circumstances.
Thanks Alan. I will take a pic next time and send it in. The Dream Catcher does that shit all the time.

[beerjet]

I really dont like a big wake just as much as the next guy especially in my 18' jet but as long as some consideration is taken you really should just suck it up .

[Kachina26]

Thanks Alan. I will take a pic next time and send it in. The Dream Catcher does that shit all the time.Yeah, maybe a little vid of him "pushing" people through the channel. I have to apply quite a bit of throttle just to keep that jerk off my tail.

[THOR]

Yeah, maybe a little vid of him "pushing" people through the channel. I have to apply quite a bit of throttle just to keep that jerk off my tail.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this a-hole is wrong.

[STV_Keith]

The worst at this it the dumbass that drives the casino boat from the channel to Havasu Landing. That is one ignorant POS. He rides your ass all the way in and out of the channel. I cant wait for the day some hot head beats his ass in front of all the casino goers. :)
Craig, I know the guy you are talking about. He came up on my ass in the Channel one time while I was in the STV. Mind you, I got the riot act in 04 by the ranger on Lake Mead because I was going too fast at idle and had some water breaking behind the boat. This guy came down to the front of the boat and started yelling at me that he was going as slow as he could and for me to get out of the way.
I will say that it's hard to have a go-fast type boat and try to find "good water" to run it hard in. Speed alley was great for that, and they've closed that off. The river has few spots where you can do it safely, and those wakeboard boats sure know how to find those nice spots and churn them up.

[vmjtc3]

[QUOTE=STV_Keith] This guy came down to the front of the boat and started yelling at me that he was going as slow as he could and for me to get out of the way.
I would have told him so shut the f up and put the bitch in and out of neutral like the rest of us :crossx:

[THOR]

Craig, I know the guy you are talking about. He came up on my ass in the Channel one time while I was in the STV. Mind you, I got the riot act in 04 by the ranger on Lake Mead because I was going too fast at idle and had some water breaking behind the boat. This guy came down to the front of the boat and started yelling at me that he was going as slow as he could and for me to get out of the way.
I will say that it's hard to have a go-fast type boat and try to find "good water" to run it hard in. Speed alley was great for that, and they've closed that off. The river has few spots where you can do it safely, and those wakeboard boats sure know how to find those nice spots and churn them up.
This sure has become a problem. This guy needs a talking to. :argue:

[ratso]

[QUOTE=STV_Keith] This guy came down to the front of the boat and started yelling at me that he was going as slow as he could and for me to get out of the way.
I would have told him so shut the f up and put the bitch in and out of neutral like the rest of us :crossx:
If STV_ Keith's setup is anything like my Merc, that is not feasable.

[vmjtc3]

If STV_ Keith's setup is anything like my Merc, that is not feasable.
I was not refering to Keith :cool:

[ratso]

I was not refering to Keith :cool:
I guess that's why you quoted him... :rolleyes: :cool:

[vmjtc3]

I guess that's why you quoted him... :rolleyes: :cool:
I was refering to the captain of the barge that was yelling at Keith.
In other word's I was saying if I was Keith I would have told him to shut the **** up and put his shit in neutral if he was going as slow as he could. :)

[Ultrafied]

I've never had a problem with the Dream Catcher in the channel or the marina. When he is coming, I get over. Must be hard for some ... :D

[Decided Advantage]

As part of the Havasu crowd you have it easy :)
You live in an area where the lions share of boaters and boats on the river are into performance and sport boats and lots of skin and water sports. A few minor rubs and conflicts but pretty minor. Head East and you'll find lots of cruisers that literally brag about the size of their wake in the bars. We have a bunch of old cruisers on the Mississippi most of which couldn't get it up (on plane) on a bet. So they move around creating a huge wake where ever they go.
The only good new is the realty of physics means these clowns have to pay to make those wakes and they are to big to pullout so all their fuel is bought and paid for at marina prices. The thin silver lining with fuel prices what they were last Summer these wake whores stayed pretty close to home. :crossx:
Short story long. Live and let live! There are lots of people on the water and if we chase some of them off we'll all be missing out on all that fine skin to look at!
BTW I was out on the ol' Miss with it in the 50s today. I was nearly the only one on the water! Imagine shooting 15 miles of river and being the only boat moving (there were a few fishing boats)

[Kachina26]

I've never had a problem with the Dream Catcher in the channel or the marina. When he is coming, I get over. Must be hard for some ... :D
I move the best I can, but I ain't gonna dust a prop for him. After all, he is held to the same wakeless speed as me.

[HTRDLNCN]

What about the guys that "surf" behind wakeboard boats..
This require an even bigger wake,not only do they top off
the water ballast but put 3 or 4 people all the way in the front of the boat creating a massive wave .
I was coming around a bend when one of these was coming the other
way,being a tight corner with not much room to move over there was nothing
I could do except hang on.
I swear it must have been a 3-4ft crest behind that boat.
The impact was so great my front hatch was
ripped off. I was crusing at around 30mph at the time.
I was in the MIDDLE of the channel in a bend at the time.
A 60 mile long lake with a ton of wide open places to do this and they were
going down the middle of the freikin channel in one of the tighest bends .
By the time I stopped to get the hatch and bring my bood pressure down they were long gone .
I have also seen people with 2 or 3 small children tubing behind the boat
on a busy weekend again right down the middle of the channel with boats
flying by them on both
sides. Proves you dont have to have a brain to breed or to boat.

[RT21]

My biggest complaint is the wakeboard boats. Its not so much the wake, I can handle that if these guys were actually good enough to need that much wake. 90% of all the wakeboarders I saw this summer on the river could have been doing the same thing with a tourny ski boat.
If you are going to rock me with a big wake while I am floating, at least throw out a 360 or rail grab.

[ratso]

I think we could put wakeboard boats in the same class as jet skis...

[RitcheyRch]

Agree 100%
I think we could put wakeboard boats in the same class as jet skis...

[haulina29]

You will agree with anything or anybody to get your post count up .

[RitcheyRch]

Not true. See, didnt agree there.
You will agree with anything or anybody to get your post count up .

[Bradman]

Thanks Alan. I will take a pic next time and send it in. The Dream Catcher does that shit all the time.
We were in front of Dream Catcher this weekend. Normally I just keep the boat in gear when cursing into the channel. On Sunday, I had to throttle up just to stay ahead of him and I was creating what I thought was a good size wake.

[Moneypitt]

I think we could put wakeboard boats in the same class as jet skis...
Thats pretty insulting to the jet skiers out there........
Seriously, it all depends on the person. There are boaters of all types that are just plain stupid when it comes to respecting others "space" on the water. It does seem there are less Assh#@*s in the "home made" type performance boats, and more in the "showroom" type wakeboard boats. I won't even start about what the fishermen/women think about performance inboards on "their" lakes and rivers..............MP

[Flyinbowtie]

As with everything else in the world, it is the idiot(s) behind the wheel that create the misery, and the rest of us suffer for it.
Our boat is a '99 SkiSanger DLX. It is a Tournament Ski Boat, open bow.
My family likes to ski. They also like to wakeboard, so we have the extended pylon. We operate by a few simple rules.
Stay off the beach when boarding;nobody on the beach gives a hoot how cool you are.
Keep in mind the wake you leave behind, make no more impact upon the other folks' weekend than you would want them to make on yours.
I have a nice stereo, but didn't design it so that the person on the board or ski can hear it. The music is for me, in the boat. The water and the tow is for you. Be thankful I am pulling ya'.
Our definition of music doesn't include anything I'd be ashamed for any of you to hear, but that still doesn't allow me the right to make you listen, so I don't.
The behavior of stupid people, whether they are on PWC's, in ski, wakeboard, fishin' or go-fast boats, in the dunes or just in cars on the freeway, (or anyplace else in public) wasn't always such a large problem. If ya stayed away from the known rental operational areas, you were sorta safe.
Unfortunately, "0% financing for everybody breathing" came along, and now we are reaping the harvest.

[Back Forty]

We were coming in yesterday on the intercostal water way. We passed a boat that was pretty well in the the middle of the channel between a couple of day boards. He had a little deck boat and his ol dog was up front. He wasn't waving his arms for help or anything and didn't look distressed. We thought it was kind of stupid to be sitting in the channel like that. We were cruising around 40 or so and just kept going. Once we passed him we notice a big honker cruiser heading for us. It was probably 70' and really tall and chunky.(must of been heading out to sea.) within a few seconds we noticed that this guy was steaming full tilt (he was probably doing 20-25 kts.) and was plowing water and leaving the really hairy steep kind of wake that swallows small boats. We went to the outside and made it but realized that the old guy and his dog were going to get it if the cruiser didn't back down. We passed sea tow who was kicking it too. Maybe going to meet this old guy. The Cruiser didn't appear to slow and did pass the old guy inside of the day boards... Sea tow got there so we didn't go back. The cruiser guy was probably trying to stay up on the water as much as possible with our waters being so shallow but dam... Had to be a rough ride for the deck boat.

[Beer-30]

That's another good example. No matter what we have; 18' 20' 25' 30' 35' +++++, there is always going to be someone bigger. That's just part of playing. If I get rocked by a larger boat with a huge wake, it is just short term and will pass. I can't fault that guy/gal for having something bigger than mine. (did that come out right? :) )

[OGShocker]

I did not take the time to read the entire thread but, this is funny as hell!
Am I the only one that understood the IRONY here?
WAKE board boats, bitching about peoples WAKES. :crossx:

[Beer-30]

That was kind-of the reasoning behind my starting of this post. I thought it was pretty ironic that twice I have been flashed attitude by wakeboard boats.

[RiverDave]

That's another good example. No matter what we have; 18' 20' 25' 30' 35' +++++, there is always going to be someone bigger. That's just part of playing. If I get rocked by a larger boat with a huge wake, it is just short term and will pass. I can't fault that guy/gal for having something bigger than mine. (did that come out right? :) )
For the life of me I can't understand why people think bigger is better? I have no urge to own anything big for river boating. Hell a 24' boat was considered an offshore boat back in the 70's?
RD

[OGShocker]

For the life of me I can't understand why people think bigger is better? I have no urge to own anything big for river boating. Hell a 24' boat was considered an offshore boat back in the 70's?
RD
Back then 6" was a "BIG DICK"...:D
Hi RD!

[HTRDLNCN]

You are correct,many of the boats raced in the 70s were 24-27ft boats
and they ran real races offshore like the famed florida to bimini and back ,
race 90 miles round trip across open ocean..
Supersizing things is the current trend..
Look at trucks,,a compact Ranger pickup today is almost the size
a fullsize F100 was back in the 60s.
Back then a normal pickup would have been the most anyone
needed (most people towed their boat with the family sedan
or stationwagon,pickups for the most part were work/farm vehicles)
today if it isnt an extended bed crew cab 4x4 lifted dually
to drive to the store to pickup groceries your not cool..

[Moneypitt]

You forgot the 18" lifted Rhinos that seem to roll over for no reason?...MP

[Beer-30]

For the life of me I can't understand why people think bigger is better? I have no urge to own anything big for river boating. Hell a 24' boat was considered an offshore boat back in the 70's?
RD
Well, since you changed the subject, I see it as an "as necessary" approach. I generally have at least 8 peeps on the boat, including the wife and I. Plus, some of them have new-borns, infants, small children. When looking, the wife and I wanted something that would make all our friends and family comfortable and safe. I was looking at 26-28 feet for $55K or less. I happened to find a 30 for the same price that was cleaner than any of the other 26-28s I had seen - and it was the same price. Plus, I have a few more feet to span bigger waves if the need arises.
Personally, I didn't purchase the boat to go out and swamp smaller boats. I just needed plenty of room for a good price.

[Beer-30]

For the life of me I can't understand why people think bigger is better? I have no urge to own anything big for river boating. Hell a 24' boat was considered an offshore boat back in the 70's?
RD
.....and a 350 is all that is needed for towing.
.....and an AM/FM Cassette and two 5.25s is all that is needed for a boat stereo.
..so on and so on.

[riverfun]

Putting wakeboard boats in the same class as jetskiis is b.s. The reason we now have a no wake zone through the gorge is thanks to all the 26 to 34 foot 2nd mortgages running through it at 80 plus mph. You cant blame that one on anybody else since it was already outlawed to ski or pull a tube or anything else through it.

[STV_Keith]

Putting wakeboard boats in the same class as jetskiis is b.s. The reason we now have a no wake zone through the gorge is thanks to all the 26 to 34 foot 2nd mortgages running through it at 80 plus mph. You cant blame that one on anybody else since it was already outlawed to ski or pull a tube or anything else through it.
Uhh, I don't think we were talking about no-wake zones...we were talking about all the WAKE board boats that go around in circles making WAKES everywhere.
What do you have again?

[HCS]

For the life of me I can't understand why people think bigger is better? I have no urge to own anything big for river boating. Hell a 24' boat was considered an offshore boat back in the 70's?
RD
In the 60's it was Chinese Junks!