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SGettmann

01-20-2006, 04:23 PM

Can somebody tell my why 21' Schiadas are more expensive that Hallet Vector's. I grew up on Schiada's - so there was no other option for buying a Schiada as my first boat and only boat so far. I like the way the boats handle, especially on rough water, and the lines are clean and always in style - even when over 20 years old.
Hallets I heard are a good boat, but why are the resale values on Hallet Vector's generally less. I'm seeing a comparable boats with a $20K price difference. Either that, or I paid way too much, but then again, I paid what I consider a fair price for my boat.
Any thoughts on this?

Rexone

01-20-2006, 06:02 PM

Schiada's traditionally hold their resale value better than most any boat in their class out there. I think they're probably a better handling boat than the Vector apple for apple. I'm sure we could :argue: about that till the cows come home here too. Just my take having been around both and owning both.
Also I think the Hallett 210 is a better boat and has pretty much outshined and outperformed the Vector, thus probably depressing the Vectors percieved value. But from what I've seen even used 210's have a hard time matching comparably equipped Schiada's used values.
Having said all that I still think the Vector is a good boat and would not hesitate to own one for river / lake use or even as a second hand ski race boat. However if I was building a new ski racer my choice would not be a Vector.

Riverkid

01-20-2006, 06:08 PM

Is it true the Vector bottom is a Schiada splash, but off a 21' jet??? I've heard rumors... Heard the delta type bottom of the River Cruiser jet makes the Vector's get a bit goofy on the big end?
We love our old Schiada. I'm sure we prolly paid too much for it, but WTH, it sure rides nice! :)

Rexone

01-20-2006, 06:17 PM

It's not a splash. The back might be close (never analysed it) but the front is completely different on the entry and the way the boat rides is much different as well.

superdave013

01-20-2006, 06:20 PM

if the 210 is a better boat they sure missed the styling. If you ask me not much has better looking lines then a hallett vector.

Rexone

01-20-2006, 07:18 PM

if the 210 is a better boat they sure missed the styling. If you ask me not much has better looking lines then a hallett vector.
Performance perspective was what I was referring to.

superdave013

01-20-2006, 07:38 PM

I understand

SGettmann

01-20-2006, 07:43 PM

Thanks Rex for the comments. I agree with you RiverKid - WTH, probably paid too much, but I would rather always pay more than kick myself in the ass for buying something that didn't deliver on performance. Not that a Vector wouldn't deliver, but I come from a Schiada family, so I couldn't go with anything else.
Although, in some ways, I wish that I started off with a flat bottom V-Drive, just to better appreciate the ride of the 21'. Sometimes when you start off with top of the line stuff, you may not appreciate it fully, and being able to build yourself up over time. Then again, I'm completely stoked with my boat, and will even be more stoked when when I get my new motor back in her and can get out on a speed ski behind her.

weekendwarrior

01-20-2006, 09:20 PM

fc-pilot

01-20-2006, 10:43 PM

SGettmann

01-21-2006, 03:16 AM

After growing up in a flat bottom and now having a Schiada it is a big difference. That Schiada can run through anything (or so it seems). I do have to say that when the water is great I prefer skiing behind our Hallett flat. Then again I am just a recreation skier so I don't have to deal with the stuff that some of you guys do.
Paul
For slalom skiing, definately understand how you would prefer skiing behind the flattie. The wake would be smaller. There's even a difference between my parent's 20' and my 21' Schiadas. If I get the ski on its side enough throughout the cut, then the ski cuts right through the wake and there's no air time. If the ski flattens out going across the wake, you're airborn slightly.

superdave013

01-21-2006, 05:47 AM

Although, in some ways, I wish that I started off with a flat bottom V-Drive, just to better appreciate the ride of the 21'. Sometimes when you start off with top of the line stuff, you may not appreciate it fully, and being able to build yourself up over time. Then again, I'm completely stoked with my boat, and will even be more stoked when when I get my new motor back in her and can get out on a speed ski behind her.
I do not agree with that. You are comparing apples to oranges. If you ever get behind the wheel of a nasty flatbottom you will find that NOTHING is more bad ass to drive. They are soooooooooooo fun it's unreal. But they are a drivers boat only as riding shot gun will just scare the crap out of ya no matter who you are.
I agree that the 21's are the cream of the crop when it comes to that style of boat. They will mow through things at speed that you would not even think about running a runner bottom flat in. But when the conditions are right a flat is the ultimite kick in the a$$. If Ihad room for both I would have never sold my runner bottom. I miss it every day.

Sangerboy

01-21-2006, 06:59 AM

if the 210 is a better boat they sure missed the styling. If you ask me not much has better looking lines then a hallett vector.
I'm with you Dave, I know the 210 was faster than the Vector with identical power, but the looks of the Vector always did something for me that the 210 never came close to.

BILLY.B

01-21-2006, 07:18 AM

I'm with you Dave, I know the 210 was faster than the Vector with identical power, but the looks of the Vector always did something for me that the 210 never came close to.Hey hey hey. I love my 210. They could of leghten the deck a bit and maybe taken some of the height out of the sides, and then softened the lines a tad. Other then that I love it. Oh yeah, and the fact that it's the only 210 OB ever made is better yet :rollside: . With that said...Sangerboy, the bubbledeck Sanger really didn't do it for me quite like the T-deck. So I hope you love your new Sanger T-Bubble deck that we created this week. You have one of a kind now my friend.... :cry: :rollside:

Boat211

01-21-2006, 08:23 AM

If you ever get behind the wheel of a nasty flatbottom you will find that NOTHING is more bad ass to drive.
AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sangerboy

01-21-2006, 08:41 PM

They could of leghten the deck a bit and maybe taken some of the height out of the sides, and then softened the lines a tad.
Hmmmm........:idea: Sounds awful close to looking like a Vector to me.

GofastRacer

01-21-2006, 08:54 PM

If you ever get behind the wheel of a nasty flatbottom you will find that NOTHING is more bad ass to drive. They are soooooooooooo fun it's unreal.
Especially a circle ("B") boat!... :D :D

Sangerboy

01-21-2006, 09:02 PM

With that said...Sangerboy, the bubbledeck Sanger really didn't do it for me quite like the T-deck. So I hope you love your new Sanger T-Bubble deck that we created this week. You have one of a kind now my friend.... :cry: :rollside:
Dang, I wondered what was taking so long. Although your skills with the gun are beyond us mere mortals' understanding, I have serious concerns with you venturing into the sculpting realm. Remember, my good buddy Billy.Z , I already have a T-deck that you'll get to shoot eventually, the Sanger is one-of-a-kind enough already, any further changes will be grounds for punitive retribution :crossx: ( The manner, place and timing of said retribution will be of my choice)
PS, I got these words from SSMike, not sure exactly what they mean but they sounded sort of cool and ominous :rolleyes:

BILLY.B

01-22-2006, 03:44 PM

Dang, the Sanger is one-of-a-kind enough already, any further changes will be grounds for punitive retribution :crossx: ( The manner, place and timing of said retribution will be of my choice)
PS, I got these words from SSMike, not sure exactly what they mean but they sounded sort of cool and ominous :rolleyes: Yeah like SSMIKE knows what the hell he's talking about. :yuk: :)