Democrates control Congress

[deltaAce]

The Associated Press reported late Wednesday the Democrats had won the pivotal Virginia Senate race, saying Democrat Jim Webb had unseated Republican George Allen and given the Democrats total control of Congress for the first time in 12 years. In the House, Republicans lost 29 seats, Democrats gained 30 and several races still were being counted or recounted.
In the Senate, at least five Republicans lost their seats--If Virginia goes to the Democrats, the Senate would be divided 51-49 with the GOP in the minority.
Our conservative talk radio hosts insist we stay opptimistic!

[AzMandella]

Well I guess we can prepare ourselves for higher taxes and the econemy going into the crapper.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Hold on to your wallets if the Lame Duck Congress dosn't make the tax cuts permanent in their last 2 1/2 months, the next few years will be rocky.
Just wait and see what Robert Gates' confirmation hearings look like. It is going to be brutal, what with his links to Iran Contra etc.....

[AzMandella]

Hold on to your wallets if the Lame Duck Congress dosn't make the tax cuts permanent in their last 2 1/2 months, the next few years will be rocky.
Just wait and see what Robert Gates' confirmation hearings look like. It is going to be brutal, what with his links to Iran Contra etc.....
As far as confermation hearings go it should not be too bad.The GOP still controls the House and Senate.They expect him to be in before the end of the year.

[eliminatedsprinter]

They need to spend that time making our tax cuts permanent, not on these hearings. Besides, it would be very difficult to get Director Gates confirmed in time. They still haven't got Ambassador Bolton confirmed.

[AzMandella]

Your right they need to solidify our tax cuts.But I'm afraid the dem's will just find somewhere else to raise our taxes.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Your right they need to solidify our tax cuts.But I'm afraid the dem's will just find somewhere else to raise our taxes.
They can't do that unless President Bush signs it or if a Dem gets elected in 08.

[Seadog]

Everyone is blaming Bush and Iraq for the turnover. And it has had some effect on the voting. But interesting enough, on average since 1946, no matter what party is in the White house, during the 6th year of every presidency, the President's party has lost an average of 31.5 House seats and 6 Senate seats. When looked in that light, it is not hard to realize that there was not the 'mandate' the Democrats are claiming. I wish Rumsfield had never happened, or at least kicked out a lot earlier. His style of leadership died in 1959 and we need better thinking at that level.

['75 Miller]

Taxes, confirming quality judges, etc are all highly important issues. But we're up to our ass in a war against these islam clowns, basically Nazis on steroids and we've just put a bunch of anti-military, weak kneed lefties in charge. Our enemies in Iraq purposely cranked up the heat during the run up to this election, hoping to affect the outcome. And it ****ing worked!
I'm all for staying in Iraq 'til the job's done. We're honor-bound. But in all seriousness I'm afraid we're gonna be needing our troops here at home real soon. We just confirmed for our enemies that all the must do is create havoc, kill indescriminately and we'll lose our nerve.

[AzMandella]

Everyone is blaming Bush and Iraq for the turnover. And it has had some effect on the voting. But interesting enough, on average since 1946, no matter what party is in the White house, during the 6th year of every presidency, the President's party has lost an average of 31.5 House seats and 6 Senate seats. When looked in that light, it is not hard to realize that there was not the 'mandate' the Democrats are claiming. I wish Rumsfield had never happened, or at least kicked out a lot earlier. His style of leadership died in 1959 and we need better thinking at that level.
You missed part of that.The above is true in war years.In every election since 1946 WWII,Korea,Vietnam,Desert Storm and now Iraq.And it wasn't necesarilly the 6th year either.It happened to Bush Sr. in his 2nd year during Desert Storm.And the exit polls showed that the Iraq war was the #1 reason people went democrat.Even alot of the Republicans.

[deltaAce]

I wonder how long it will be till the Democrates are holding "peace talks" & "negotiations" with the terrorists. Allowing them the status of a diplomatic regime & pulling our troops under their promise to behave.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Actually, a lot may not change much. What's the difference between a moderate democrat (yes, a few DO exist, much to DNC chairman Dean's chagrin) and a moderate Republican? Sometimes, nothing at all. If you look over some of the NEW Democrat members who beat out Republicans, they are very middle-of-the-road conservative, several running on fiscal responsibility, smaller govt, being AGAINST abortion (of all the things to make NOW faint), and other normally Republican fields. Thus, all the new swing votes are NOT screaming leftie liberals but people who are likely to be a huge uncertainty ot either party. Not exactly the way Howie, Nancy, and Harry wanted it, but it was the only way to get back into power. Field runners who out-stanced the Republicans on traditional issues instead of hard-core leftie socialists.

[Blown 472]

Taxes, confirming quality judges, etc are all highly important issues. But we're up to our ass in a war against these islam clowns, basically Nazis on steroids and we've just put a bunch of anti-military, weak kneed lefties in charge. Our enemies in Iraq purposely cranked up the heat during the run up to this election, hoping to affect the outcome. And it ****ing worked!
I'm all for staying in Iraq 'til the job's done. We're honor-bound. But in all seriousness I'm afraid we're gonna be needing our troops here at home real soon. We just confirmed for our enemies that all the must do is create havoc, kill indescriminately and we'll lose our nerve.
Just like rummy stayed til the job was done, I suppose you support that pos too?

['75 Miller]

Just like rummy stayed til the job was done, I suppose you support that pos too?
Don Rumsfeld is a PATRIOT! I don't think he should have resigned 'cuz a bunch of soul-less lefties wanted him to.
You and your comrades should really be proud. You seized power AND got rid of Rumsfeld. All you had to do is talk Iraq down & provide aid and comfort for our enemies in a time of war for 3+ years. That's what I call a great accomplishment. Your boys and girls got two thirds of what you wanted & all they had to do was sell out our military & what's left of their souls for the POWER you commies crave so much.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Just like rummy stayed til the job was done, I suppose you support that pos too?
We are still waiting for your comprehensive, FREE-THINKing solution blown.
We are still getting NOTHING but lame name-calling, whining, bit ching, and NO BETTER ANSWER.

[Seadog]

The war theory does not explain why it happened in Eisenhower's 6th year. Korea was over and Vietnam had not started. Bush, Sr. was an abnormality due to the fact that the Reagan Presidency went against the rule. The Ollie North episode happened after the elections.

[deltaAce]

Actually, a lot may not change much. What's the difference between a moderate democrat (yes, a few DO exist, much to DNC chairman Dean's chagrin) and a moderate Republican? Sometimes, nothing at all. If you look over some of the NEW Democrat members who beat out Republicans, they are very middle-of-the-road conservative, several running on fiscal responsibility, smaller govt, being AGAINST abortion (of all the things to make NOW faint), and other normally Republican fields. Thus, all the new swing votes are NOT screaming leftie liberals but people who are likely to be a huge uncertainty ot either party. Not exactly the way Howie, Nancy, and Harry wanted it, but it was the only way to get back into power. Field runners who out-stanced the Republicans on traditional issues instead of hard-core leftie socialists.
Thats a relief. We may be able to tolerate some Dems if their not throwing our money away, taxing the heck out of us or forcing social changes upon us, etc.

[centerhill condor]

I don't expect much out of Congress with the exception of a bunch of sound bites regarding trivial matters. Mark Twain would say, the congress is aptly named.
The Speaker apparent has said her first orders of business are to raise the minimum wage; first time in many years, reduce interest rates for college loans; a way to keep kids in college so that they have the time to protest, allowing the gov't to negotiate prescription drug prices; something they could've done during clinton's first 100 hours.
Who could stand against such sensible ideas? And why haven't they happened before today? 'Cause they're meaningless.
Their goal, just like their predecessors, is to get stay in power. They'll investigate the President which can only be good for the country, right? They'll find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory just like the other guys. And they'll overplay their hand, just like the other guys.
That is the reason these elections are sooo close, 'cause these guys are almost identical. The difference is rhetorical at best. They're politicians not leaders. We'll get leaders when the circumstances and people will accept no less.
These are very meaningless radio adjustments as the car proceeds to the grand canyon off ramp.
so lean back and enjoy the ride!

[Knotbad]

They need to spend that time making our tax cuts permanent, not on these hearings. Besides, it would be very difficult to get Director Gates confirmed in time. They still haven't got Ambassador Bolton confirmed.
Gates is Tree bu$h's man. Figures.:rolleyes: Daddy is back in control because Shrub can't run a microwave much less a country. Why put a CIA spook in control of the Pentagon instead of a military man like Shinseki or Zinni? Makes no sense.
Walrus-face is a dead duck, forget him, ain't gonna happen and Georgie boy won't do a secret weekend appointment this time like he has so many other of his failures.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Gates is Tree bu$h's man. Figures.:rolleyes: Daddy is back in control because Shrub can't run a microwave much less a country. Why put a CIA spook in control of the Pentagon instead of a military man like Shinseki or Zinni? Makes no sense.
Walrus-face is a dead duck, forget him, ain't gonna happen and Georgie boy won't do a secret weekend appointment this time like he has so many other of his failures.
It makes about as much sense as paying any attention to the political views of someone who apparently does not know what the correct titles or names of the people he's talking about are. :rolleyes: :wink:

['75 Miller]

Gates is Tree bu$h's man. Figures.:rolleyes: Daddy is back in control because Shrub can't run a microwave much less a country. Why put a CIA spook in control of the Pentagon instead of a military man like Shinseki or Zinni? Makes no sense.
Walrus-face is a dead duck, forget him, ain't gonna happen and Georgie boy won't do a secret weekend appointment this time like he has so many other of his failures.
What makes you qualified to determine who's Secretary of Defense material? Shinseki.. Zinni..if these guys hadn't had publicized differences with the Oak (ain't been a shrub in decades), would you still be touting them?
And Mr. Bolton...Why, in your infinite genious, does this Patriot deserve to be replaced? Bush is still the President, and Bolton is still his choice. What's your beef with Bolton?
Let the obstructionist tactics begin, I guess.

[Knotbad]

It makes about as much sense as paying any attention to the political views of someone who apparently does not know what the correct titles or names of the people he's talking about are. :rolleyes: :wink:
I know the titles. They are neither qualified nor deserving of said titles. And you obviously paid attention to my views because you saw fit to quote me.

[Knotbad]

What makes you qualified to determine who's Secretary of Defense material? Shinseki.. Zinni..if these guys hadn't had publicized differences with the Oak (ain't been a shrub in decades), would you still be touting them?
And Mr. Bolton...Why, in your infinite genious, does this Patriot deserve to be replaced? Bush is still the President, and Bolton is still his choice. What's your beef with Bolton?
Let the obstructionist tactics begin, I guess.
1. General Shinseki and Admiral Zinni knew that Rumsfeld had no chance to succeed with the shorthanded, lightly-armored troops and vehicles he sent over there. They said so publicly and were fired. Turns out they were right.
2. Yeah oak haha he's the Shrub and always will be the Shrub. He's a LITTLE man, a dictator wannabe.
3. Bolton has singlehandedly destroyed America's credibility at the UN. Now that may not mean much to your crowd, but when you've got China, Myanmar(Burma) and Libya garnering more popularity than the United States, there's a problem at the top of the American delegation, and walrus-face is the top. He was appointed with a typical bu$h underhanded weekend appointment because Rove and President Cheney knew Congress would not appoint him.

['75 Miller]

1. General Shinseki and Admiral Zinni knew that Rumsfeld had no chance to succeed with the shorthanded, lightly-armored troops and vehicles he sent over there. They said so publicly and were fired. Turns out they were right.
2. Yeah oak haha he's the Shrub and always will be the Shrub. He's a LITTLE man, a dictator wannabe.
3. Bolton has singlehandedly destroyed America's credibility at the UN. Now that may not mean much to your crowd, but when you've got China, Myanmar(Burma) and Libya garnering more popularity than the United States, there's a problem at the top of the American delegation, and walrus-face is the top. He was appointed with a typical bu$h underhanded weekend appointment because Rove and President Cheney knew Congress would not appoint him.
What other "typical weekend appointments" can you name? Bush never made any recess appointments of judges or other officials that wouldn't have been confirmed. Course the demorats played their little faggot, obstructionist filibuster tactics & left him no choice.
Why do you care what our popularity level is in the useless un anyway? They need us, we DON'T need them. Which is a good thing 'cuz they're USELESS.

[eliminatedsprinter]

I know the titles. They are neither qualified nor deserving of said titles. And you obviously paid attention to my views because you saw fit to quote me.
Yet they have their names and titles nevertheless.
Sure I paid attention, learning other's views is something I enjoy doing.
But I must admit that when I hear people discussing public policy using insulting nicknames etc... They sound just a tad less credible. Of course, this is a very informal site, so allowences are made. I've seen some of these posts deteriorate a bit, so I thought I'd toss the notion of decorum out here.
I really didn't pick out your post for any particular reason, lord knows most people here do it at least from time to time. :cool: It's just that some people here do it pretty much all the time.