This is what i am talking about..no pledge

[bigq]

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.
The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.
"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.
"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.
The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.
The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.
"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."
He is correct, but if you are a socialist maybe you should move
Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.
or to show a little unity maybe
Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.
"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.
More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.
I don't really have a problem with removing the "under God" ,but I think it is important to say the pledge to our country and what it should or could stand for. I am not htat worldly, but is this not the freest country on earth.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

You are correct, this IS the most free country on earth (some dissenter can explain to me how I am wrong, but they better do a lot of homework).
The only real problem I have with removing "under God", is that the only reason a tiny ammount of people want the change is to not offend some athiest somewhere (another tiny group of people), pure political correctness, nothing else.
Don't even try the "separation of church and state" line, it holds zero water. Virtually all religions believe in a "god", some name him "god", some other names. The term used is ubiquitous and not particularly specific.
If they do not want to pledge allegiance to this country, fine, then they may feel free to renounce the citizenship to the nation they refuse to pledge their alegiance to, then, they may feel free (and are more than welcome) to relocate to a nation they CAN pledge allegiance to. Good riddance.

[Rexone]

I posted this in a similar thread in the sandbar...
Typical student mentality it seems, fueled by professors. They have no idea what the history of this country is nor about the millions who have died in past and present wars defending their right to do stupid and disrespectful shit like this. In ugly places like Normandy, Iwo Jima, Pearl Harbor and countless other shitholes. These liberal entitled dufuses need to be required to take an in depth study of what WW2 and prior wars were all about. The world doesn't revolve around how bad a myspace profile you can create and how many US traditions you can decimate. Unfortunately history repeats and memory fades and is not passed on well from generation to generation. A wake up call is coming. 911 was just a warm up. 911, Iraq, and Afghanistan all grouped together are a mere drop in the bucket of what is to come if this country and it's leadership do not wake up. Leadership meaning government as a whole, not Bush or just this group or just that group.

[asch]

The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag
Friggin' commies...
or whatever they are.
What's interesting, is that the very process that elected them to their positions is an extension of the many benefits the flag actually represents.
Unfortunetly, the 1st & 14th ammendents protects their offensive attitude.
These people ACT like their only beef is the "under God" thing or other parts of the pledge, its really veiled rhetoric for anti-Americanism. They just hate the whole thing. But that would be too obvious. They hate the military too. The last thing they would want to do is take an oath to protect the constitution.
I personally believe that "liberty and justice for all" has far more power and implication than the phrase "under God"...without the former, there wouldn't be the latter.

[centerhill condor]

Friggin' commies...
or whatever they are.
What's interesting, is that the very process that elected them to their positions is an extension of the many benefits the flag actually represents.
Unfortunetly, the 1st & 14th ammendents protects their offensive attitude.
These people ACT like their only beef is the "under God" thing or other parts of the pledge, its really veiled rhetoric for anti-Americanism. They just hate the whole thing. But that would be too obvious. They hate the military too. The last thing they would want to do is take an oath to protect the constitution.
I personally believe that "liberty and justice for all" has far more power and implication than the phrase "under God"...without the former, there wouldn't be the latter.
well stated... so can we revoke their federal funds? makes sense to me! since there is no loyalty there should be no check!

[Poster X]

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said, "it is the duty of a free society to question their government?" (Or something along those lines).

[Knotbad]

I don't really have a problem with removing the "under God" ,but I think it is important to say the pledge to our country and what it should or could stand for. I am not htat worldly, but is this not the freest country on earth.
I always finish the Pledge first because I don't say "under God", but I do say the Pledge. I have no problem with swearing allegiance to our COUNTRY, not the party or any non-existent god.
I went all over Europe during my Army service, and there are several countries I would live in-Denmark, Germany, Holland-but America is my land of birth so I'm fine with it unless we don't start fixing a lot of our problems.

[bigq]

I always finish the Pledge first because I don't say "under God", but I do say the Pledge. I have no problem with swearing allegiance to our COUNTRY, not the party or any non-existent god.
I went all over Europe during my Army service, and there are several countries I would live in-Denmark, Germany, Holland-but America is my land of birth so I'm fine with it unless we don't start fixing a lot of our problems.
Fixing it to what? What would you change? Are the places you mentioned better to live in?

[centerhill condor]

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said, "it is the duty of a free society to question their government?" (Or something along those lines).
on your own nickel! yet another reason to get fed money out of education!

[Poster X]

Hmm, so only those without student loans can question the government? Now that the average four year college education is topping out at around a 100 grand wouldn't eliminating student loans create a caste society? I know, you made it on your own, so everyone else can too. Hard work, advantages AND luck all play a role in success. Besides, our crop of politicians would all be Bush's on the right and Kennedys on the left. When that happens I have dibbies on the dirty bomb. I think the answer is stiffer penalties for mooches that don't pay them back. Not eliminating the opportunity. And when we get to the point where only armchair elitist neocons can discuss or criticize the government.. I'll be on the other side of the ditch in our second Civil War. :wink:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Hmm, so only those without student loans can question the government? Now that the average four year college education is topping out at around a 100 grand wouldn't eliminating student loans create a caste society? I know, you made it on your own, so everyone else can too. Hard work, advantages AND luck all play a role in success. Besides, our crop of politicians would all be Bush's on the right and Kennedys on the left. When that happens I have dibbies on the dirty bomb. I think the answer is stiffer penalties for mooches that don't pay them back. Not eliminating the opportunity. And when we get to the point where only armchair elitist neocons can discuss or criticize the government.. I'll be on the other side of the ditch in our second Civil War. :wink:
An economist would tell you that eliminating government student loans would result in lower tuition prices.
Either way there are many fine schools around that cost less than 100k. I know I got my degrees from schools, that had very good national reputations in my field, for a fraction of that cost, even after adjusting for inflation (too much adjusting I'm afraid :wink: ).

[Poster X]

I'm actually dealing with it now. Sans junior college a four year school is all over a 100k once said and done. besides just tuition you have to factor in food, lodging, books, tranportation, fuel and ancillary expenses no matter how you cut it. In our case, probably six years? :cry:
Please illuminate to me how cutting student loans would reduce tuitions? Since colleges are not holding the note in any fashion I fail to see any connection.

[eliminatedsprinter]

I'm actually dealing with it now. Sans junior college a four year school is all over a 100k once said and done. besides just tuition you have to factor in food, lodging, books, tranportation, fuel and ancillary expenses no matter how you cut it. In our case, probably six years? :cry:
Please illuminate to me how cutting student loans would reduce tuitions? Since colleges are not holding the note in any fashion I fail to see any connection.
Many economist state that government student loans and grants etc allow colleges to raise their prices without pricing themselves out of reach of too many students and thus they have the effect of acting as price supports.

[centerhill condor]

Please illuminate to me how cutting student loans would reduce tuitions?
with less students the tuition would decrease...that old supply demand curve. Also, there are too many students in college that require remedial instruction. Lower the student population by raising the standards.
We're graduating more students and teaching less...been going on quite a while now...but you know that already. Mr. Bush is a grad with two degrees and you compare him to a chimp. So if you don't graduate what will that make you?
Why borrow? You've got plenty of time for the 'net, right? You're well blessed for verbage..you could have a talk radio show and have fun and make a fortune! Go out and earn your big money while you still know everything!
You've got that quick sarcastic wit that makes you the life of the board. You'd be rich, rich I say!
Then the movie would be terrific...the rags to riches to rags to riches story of Poster X...falsely imprisoned for his political views, avoiding the draft, and general extra constituionality to be released upon his personal appeal to the UN!
Then you could go to Congress and it'd be Poster X goes to Washington...I'm seeing an oscar here buddy old pal...can we come to your mansion and swim in the cement pond?

[eliminatedsprinter]

I'm actually dealing with it now. Sans junior college a four year school is all over a 100k once said and done. besides just tuition you have to factor in food, lodging, books, tranportation, fuel and ancillary expenses no matter how you cut it. In our case, probably six years? :cry:
Why factor in food and lodging and fuel etc?? If you live on your own you will have to pay for those things anyway. If you live at home, you might want to consider your local college, there is no law that says you have to go away to go to college.
You can also set the ego aside and not rule out that J C for the first 2 years. If you were to go to the J C you can save a ton of dough, get an A.A. and a General ed certificate, which will allow you to transfer to the University and focus primarily on your major and electives (I don't know where you are from I'm speaking here about how it is in Ca). Then when you graduate you will not be in debt. And guess what? The degreee you earn will not have an * on it. It will be the same one the others spent the extra 2 years of University tuition to get.
What ever school you choose, the main thing is to work hard and do well. I don't know about you, but I would rather hire an A student from a small or state college, than a C student from a big name school.

[Poster X]

Gee, I'm all verklempt at the emotional support but my daughter is going to college (not me), we will not qualify for any assistance, and I will not allow her to go to Junior College.
I seriously doubt the "supply and demand" system of economics applies at the private college level. It's all hypothetical. I'm unaware of any legitimate study to support such a claim.
Before student loans, college was the playground of the well-to-do and connected. There's no reason to believe it would be any different now.
However, I'm all about the talk show. Sign me up. ixnay on the oxfay.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Gee, I'm all verklempt at the emotional support but my daughter is going to college (not me), we will not qualify for any assistance, and I will not allow her to go to Junior College.
I guess Jr Colleges are not good enough for the children of the anointed, who solve the worlds problems here on ***boat forum. :wink: :wink: :)

[Poster X]

The vast majority of people I know whom attended junior college DID NOT go on to higher education. The world does not need more hairdressers and I intend on keeping my impressionable daughter from those influences. Kudo's to those who went on to become the heads of industry or the leaders of their prospective careers from a junior college start but, I will go with the odds on this one. My kid, my rules. Y'all do what you like with yours.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Gee, I'm all verklempt
Before student loans, college was the playground of the well-to-do and connected. There's no reason to believe it would be any different now.
My grandmother lived in Norman Ok. When she was young (in the late 1920s)
She lived at home and put herself through O.U. The other girls (who were all debutantes) made fun of her (for being a poor local). But that just made that degree she earned there all the sweeter and after a long career as a teacher, she remained proud of that degree, until the day she died. She did it without going into debt, just like my Mom and Dad got their degrees without going into debt, and just like I did. No loans for any of us and no debt for us or our parents in the end. It has always been possible and it still is.
P.S. My grandfather, who was also of modest means, put himself through the University of Arkansas at around the same time as my grandmother put herself through OU.

[eliminatedsprinter]

The vast majority of people I know whom attended junior college DID NOT go on to higher education. The world does not need more hairdressers and I intend on keeping my impressionable daughter from those influences. Kudo's to those who went on to become the heads of industry or the leaders of their prospective careers from a junior college start but, I will go with the odds on this one. My kid, my rules. Y'all do what you like with yours.
News flash, the majority of those who start out in four year schools don't finish either. If a kid washes out in JC it is highly unlikely that it has anything to do with the JC or the JC environment. But hey, like you said, it's your kid, and ( I would add) your money. I respect that.
However, your prejudice twards JCs is unwarrented and sounds more than a bit elitist to me.

[Poster X]

My grandmother lived in Norman Ok. When she was young (in the late 1920s)
She lived at home and put herself through O.U. The other girls (who were all debutantes) made fun of her (for being a poor local). But that just made that degree she earned there all the sweeter and after a long career as a teacher, she remained proud of that degree, until the day she died. She did it without going into debt, just like my Mom and Dad got their degrees without going into debt, and just like I did. No loans for any of us and no debt for us or our parents in the end. It has always been possible and it still is.
P.S. My grandfather, who was also of modest means, put himself through the University of Arkansas at around the same time as my grandmother put herself through OU.
My Grandfather had to walk 20 miles to school in 4 feet of snow uphill both ways. He had to carry a baked potato to keep from getting frostbite and had to eat that as his lunch.

[Poster X]

News flash, the majority of those who start out in four year schools don't finish either. If a kid washes out in JC it is highly unlikely that it has anything to do with the JC or the JC environment. But hey, like you said, it's your kid, and ( I would add) your money. I respect that.
However, your attitude twards JCs is unwarrented and sounds more than a bit elitist to me.
It might be a bit elitist? If so, I can live with that. I do know in a four-year school she'll be in there with kids giving it hell for the most part (whether it's bacause they are paying for it, or they're terrified of their parents, or they're afraid to lose their free ride) and that's important to me. She has 6 years ahead of her and she needs all the help she can get. When it comes to my kid, I have very high expectations. And like you said, it's my nickel.

[eliminatedsprinter]

My Grandfather had to walk 20 miles to school in 4 feet of snow uphill both ways. He had to carry a baked potato to keep from getting frostbite and had to eat that as his lunch.
Chased by Wooley Mammoths and Sabertoothed cats no doubt.
Yes, what I said was anecdotal and cliche sounding. But it is also true and the point it makes is valid. It was possible 85 years ago and it's possible now.

[eliminatedsprinter]

It might be a bit elitist? If so, I can live with that. I do know in a four-year school she'll be in there with kids giving it hell for the most part (whether it's bacause they are paying for it, or they're terrified of their parents, or they're afraid to lose their free ride) and that's important to me. She has 6 years ahead of her and she needs all the help she can get. When it comes to my kid, I have very high expectations. And like you said, it's my nickel.
Good for you and lucky for her. We may disagree on politics. But the important thing is that you are motivated to help her get that degree. I'm not telling you what to do or how to educate your daughter. I'm only pointing out that there are ways to get that diploma (and the education it represents) without going into debt.
Oh yea. I don't think federal money is needed to send kids to college to avoid the U.S. having a caste society.

[Poster X]

There's lot's of kids. Good kids. That without federal grant money would never have the opportunity to excel in life in a career wrought through a college education. On one thread you're bitching about the welfare niggers in Louisiana sucking you dry. In another it's the Mexicans. In another it's everybody that doesn't have a job. In another it's unwed mothers. In another it's people genetically predisposed to be economic mooches. Let's face it. You don't want to help anybody for any reason. Why not get that out and get it over with? Why all the political hyperbole to justify your elitism? Just say, every man for himself and move on. You (and many more like you) are diametrically opposed to anything but war when it comes to your income taxes. It's who you are. Embrace thyself my man.

[eliminatedsprinter]

There's lot's of kids. Good kids. That without federal grant money would never have the opportunity to excel in life in a career wrought through a college education. On one thread you're bitching about the welfare niggers in Louisiana sucking you dry. In another it's the Mexicans. In another it's everybody that doesn't have a job. In another it's unwed mothers. In another it's people genetically predisposed to be economic mooches. Let's face it. You don't want to help anybody for any reason. Why not get that out and get it over with? Why all the political hyperbole to justify your elitism? Just say, every man for himself and move on. You (and many more like you) are diametrically opposed to anything but war when it comes to your income taxes. It's who you are. Embrace thyself my man.
I hope you are not referring to me in this bigoted rant. Just because I favor a more libertarian form of government, than the socialism you favor. Of course I've never bitched about all the things you have chosen to use ethnic slurs to discribe above.
P.S. Why do you feel the need to use slurs in making your point?? Could it be you are showing a bit of your a$$ to us here.

[centerhill condor]

well congrats on getting the little girl this far!
My second wife got a full academic ride sholarship to Tulane. Nice piece of paper to go with it! Got a full ride to UNO for the MS, as well. She had to work at two bars and do USDA research but she did it on her own without help from dear old dad or borrowing. There's all kinds of scholarship monies out there and its not all for underpriveledged inner city youth.
You'd be amazed at the number of people in your shoes...so what does she want to be when she grows up?
Does political satire run in her blood, as well?

[Poster X]

Anasthesiology. Eiether Nurse Anesthetist or Anesthesiologist.
The slurs (although they weren't really slurs, except the nigger one, which is relevant due to the black people in New Orleans shit on by you, the smug elitists) were meant to highlight the point that the only program the right supports is war. There is not one single thread on this entire forum where the acclaimed right supports a cause that helps the indigent, the ill, the uneducated, the elderly or the stricken. The only threads that exist is y'all bitching about taxes and supporting the war no matter how vague the facts are on that. What am I supposed to think?

[centerhill condor]

Anasthesiology. Eiether Nurse Anesthetist or Anesthesiologist.
The slurs (although they weren't really slurs, except the nigger one, which is relevant due to the black people in New Orleans shit on by you, the smug elitists) ?
Good for her! both are excellent fields and show great promise, especially with the aging population...
I think our family sponsored you in China...we'd send checks, boxes with shoes and the little commie would start every letter with, "dear capitalist pigs".

[Poster X]

THAT WAS YOU? :supp:

[Old Texan]

There's lot's of kids. Good kids. That without federal grant money would never have the opportunity to excel in life in a career wrought through a college education. On one thread you're bitching about the welfare niggers in Louisiana sucking you dry. In another it's the Mexicans. In another it's everybody that doesn't have a job. In another it's unwed mothers. In another it's people genetically predisposed to be economic mooches. Let's face it. You don't want to help anybody for any reason. Why not get that out and get it over with? Why all the political hyperbole to justify your elitism? Just say, every man for himself and move on. You (and many more like you) are diametrically opposed to anything but war when it comes to your income taxes. It's who you are. Embrace thyself my man.
Once again the morning sun rises and I thank the almighty that "I ain't you."
Your finger pointing self righteous diatribes show the true paranoia and hate that comes from within. You babble on about how only the socialist thinking liberal left cares about the "poor and helpless" in society and in the next rambling tell how you want to shield your youngster from the perils of Junior College where only the feeble minded lower class send their underachievers, many of which are the "poor and helpless" you claim to champion.
Get off the soapbox and come up with answers, not the continuous self righteous babbling that does nothing but divide your world from reality.

[Poster X]

If you can afford it, you send your kid to college and support social programs so other kids can enjoy the same benefit. That's not socialism. That's morality. Which thread did I miss where you supported anything besides war? Illuminate this myopic commie.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Anasthesiology. Eiether Nurse Anesthetist or Anesthesiologist.
The slurs (although they weren't really slurs, except the nigger one, which is relevant due to the black people in New Orleans shit on by you, the smug elitists)
That is a pretty big one and I don't wish to further a debate that has deteriorated to this low of a level.
Saying "shit on by you the smug elitists" is personalizing a gross generalization and that sir is called stereotyping.
You asked "what am I supposed to think"?? I'm not trying to tell you what you are supposed to think. I'm just a fellow who has been trying to have a civil political conversation here.
In the process you have shown me somethings about yourself.
In this thred you have shown that:
A. You use at least one (one of the worst ones no less) ethnic slur.
B. You stereotype.
In my world a person who stereotypes and uses ethnic slurs is called a bigot.
It does not bother me one bit that you disagree with me (divergent points of view make the conversation more interesting) or that you are a self professed supporter of a form of socialism (something that I regard as a form of totalitarianism). However, I do not enjoy seeing bigotry and I'm afraid I don't suffer it well.
Good luck to your daughter in her goal to pursue her chosen career in the medical field.

[Poster X]

Before you get too uppity you should read the old New Orleans threads. That's not generalizing. 100% of the right kicked the entirety of the city to the curb without exception, and without the facts. They looked at the small percentage they saw on TV and wrote the entire region off as nothing but welfare niggers. It is what it is. It's an embarrassment this country did less for it's own citizens than it has for third world countries. Had they not been black the end result would have been completely different. That Jack.. is a fact!
So act all snotty if it makes you feel better. I for one have not forgotten those threads and what was said. And... I never will.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Before you get too uppity you should read the old New Orleans threads. That's not generalizing. 100% of the right kicked the entirety of the city to the curb without exception, and without the facts. They looked at the small percentage they saw on TV and wrote the entire region off as nothing but welfare niggers. It is what it is. It's an embarrassment this country did less for it's own citizens than it has for third world countries. Had they not been black the end result would have been completely different. That Jack.. is a fact!
So act all snotty if it makes you feel better. I for one have not forgotten those threads and what was said. And... I never will.
Nothing snotty about not liking to be subjected to bigotry. I'm also not interested in why you are an ideological bigot. I may be a therapist, but I am not on these boards to be your therapist. I'm not even that type of therapist anyway. I wasn't involved in those threds and I never met a person, who was of any substance politically, on either the left or the right who thinks or speaks in the terms you just used above about the people of New Orleans.
Sorry that type of thinking is not for me and I won't stand for being subjected to it. It is wrong (not just wrongheaded) to direct a stereotype, especially one that contians the above racial slur, at an individual because he or she belongs to a different political ideology than you. Call me snotty all you want and rationalize all you want. But when I'm confroned with bigotry I speak up. If someone on the right used that that word on a thred speaking to me I'd speak up to them as well (check out my post on the O.J. thred in The Sand Bar). I don't read all the threds, but when I see this crap I speak up.

[Poster X]

You think racism is going away because you stick your fingers in your ears and say nanna nanna boo boo? Good luck with that.

[eliminatedsprinter]

You think racism is going away because you stick your fingers in your ears and say nanna nanna boo boo? Good luck with that.
I guess you just don't get it.
I'm not talking about saving the world from racism here. I'm talking about the fact that you made a narrow minded stereotype, applied it to me, and then tried to stick a rascist slur (that is not in my personal lexicon) into my head. If you had one ounce of that empathy, you claim to have, you could see how wrong of a thing that is to do. It is in fact a bigoted thing to do. Does this one act of bigotry make you a bigot? I honestly don't know. Perhaps you should get together with Mel Gibson and Micheal Richards and you guys can figure out for yourselves what you are.

[Poster X]

It's your choice to take the slurs personal. If you ask the fine poeple of New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast (White or Black) how they feel they were treated.. brace yourself for a healthy dose of the "N" word. I don't believe they think i'm a bigot. For the most part they think i'm one of the few that has the balls to call it exactly as it went down. You see, most of you that turned your back on these people think as long as you don't use the "N" word and threw twenty bucks at the United Way you aren't a bigot. The fact is, your actions make you a bigot. They were treated like niggers. You know it. I know it. They know it.

[Poster X]

Oh, and I'm generalizing sprinter guy. All posts are generalizing because the bulk of this board that isn't afraid to speak out, represents the right.

[mickeyfinn]

If it comes down to the gov controlling who my money goes to I am in favor of the every man for himself attitude, unless funding comes from a voluntary source such as the lottery. Barring that, distribution of funds should come from non-governmental charities. You would probably be surprised at how much the "ballers" here would be willing to donate if it were on their own terms. Even as poorly as some charities are run most are still far more efficient at distribution of a high percentage of funds collected than the government. Politics should not be in the charity business.

[eliminatedsprinter]

It's your choice to take the slurs personal. If you ask the fine poeple of New Orleans and most of the Gulf Coast (White or Black) how they feel they were treated.. brace yourself for a healthy dose of the "N" word. I don't believe they think i'm a bigot. For the most part they think i'm one of the few that has the balls to call it exactly as it went down. You see, most of you that turned your back on these people think as long as you don't use the "N" word and threw twenty bucks at the United Way you aren't a bigot. The fact is, your actions make you a bigot. They were treated like niggers. You know it. I know it. They know it.
We were treated worse after the Northridge earthquake. Many of us lost our homes (myself included) there were no trailers, there were no credit cards, etc. The grant and SBA loan programs that FEMA came here with were in many cases worse than useless, because they encouraged us to wait around for promised assistance, that most often never came. News Flash, FEMA has been useless for a long time. This was just the first time anything this bad ever hit the U.S. (in recent times) in such a largely impoverished area, where FEMAs weaknesses could be so well showcased. You will never see me defending FEMA or their response to Katrina. As soon as those levees broke I knew how bad it was going to be. All those impoverished people dependent upon a dysfunctional agency for assistance. Rest assured it wasn't just you folks on the left that saw this coming. FEMA is one big bureaucratic joke and it has been for a long time. I don't expect you to understand the conservitive position on dysfunctional agencies. But it would be nice if you at least had the class not to use the N word in reference to the victims, even if you do hide behind the old "you just think of them as..." ploy, to give yourself the excuse to use the word.

[Poster X]

As far as I know, political correctness never solved any problem? It just adds to them. If you really care about racism then you need to be able to talk to racists and know the language. Politically correct ne'er-do-well's who wouldn't know history nor how it's being repeated (under the current) would get 2 minutes into a conversation with the receptors or insurgents of the cloaked racism in todays reality. I'd stick with the nanna nanna boo boo if I were you too.
I can see this makes you uncomfortable. That's a shame because it is a valid political topic boiling underneath the fabric of political correctness and is about to regurgitate in our face. However, consider the subject dropped.

[eliminatedsprinter]

As far as I know, political correctness never solved any problem? It just adds to them. If you really care about racism then you need to be able to talk to racists and know the language. Politically correct ne'er-do-well's who wouldn't know history nor how it's being repeated (under the current) would get 2 minutes into a conversation with the receptors or insurgents of the cloaked racism in todays reality. I'd stick with the nanna nanna boo boo if I were you too.
I can see this makes you uncomfortable. That's a shame because it is a valid political topic boiling underneath the fabric of political correctness and is about to regurgitate in our face. However, consider the subject dropped.
I'm not talking about political correctness. I'm talking about commen courtesy.
P.S. I've done more than my share to combat racism. If I was dumb enough to talk like you do, I'd be dead. As would you if you tried to do the things I've done. I have also learned not to be hypocritical enough to talk to one group one way and to another group another way. Word has a way of getting out and if the folks I've worked with here in L.A. heard me talk the way you do, I'd have no credibility whatsoever. Hell, I might as well talk to people with a bag over my head.

[Poster X]

Works for me. :crossx:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Works for me. :crossx:
I guess.
Anonymity is not something I have ever needed. I've always found credibility works better, even if it is much harder to establish.

[eliminatedsprinter]

If it comes down to the gov controlling who my money goes to I am in favor of the every man for himself attitude, unless funding comes from a voluntary source such as the lottery. Barring that, distribution of funds should come from non-governmental charities. You would probably be surprised at how much the "ballers" here would be willing to donate if it were on their own terms. Even as poorly as some charities are run most are still far more efficient at distribution of a high percentage of funds collected than the government. Politics should not be in the charity business.
Well put.

[Poster X]

I guess.
Anonymity is not something I have ever needed. I've always found credibility works better, even if it is much harder to establish.
I hate to burst your bubble but you're just a guy (or girl) that either has (or pretends to have) a red boat on the internet. :cool:
But, I'll let you run with that if it gets you through the day. The truth would blow your mind. Anonymous.. I ain't. :wink:

[eliminatedsprinter]

I hate to burst your bubble but you're just a guy (or girl) that either has (or pretends to have) a red boat on the internet. :cool:
But, I'll let you run with that if it gets you through the day. The truth would blow your mind. Anonymous.. I ain't. :wink:
I seem to remember that you are the one who discribed himself as just a character on the internet.
I'm not a big fan of psycoanylitical theory, but I'd say you sure seem to do a lot of projecting your own traits on to others here on this board.
Lots of folks here on these boards know me and boat with me and have been to my home. Just like most of the others on these boards have met other boaters in their parts of the country and done the same. When I make a post and they read it, they know who I am.
Do you boat? Do you boat with others from these boards? For some reason I'm starting to get a bit curious....

[Poster X]

I wasn't going to let this get out until later but I'm actually...
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