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Poster X
11-14-2006, 10:51 AM
I'm gonna guess everyone on this forum (myself included) will support the decision of the Farmer Branch city administrators.
Farmers Branch Approves Anti-Illegal Immigration Measures
KXAS-TV
FARMERS BRANCH, Texas - Council members in this Dallas suburb unanimously approved tough new anti-illegal immigration measures Monday evening, including one that makes English the official language. In a series of 6-0 votes, the council members without discussion approved fines for landlords who rent to illegal immigrants, and allowed local authorities to screen suspects in police custody to see if they are in the country illegally.
The votes were made in a room in City Hall packed with people who clapped as the votes were tallied in favor of the measures. In a parking lot outside, hundreds of protesters against the rules waved American flags and recited the Pledge of Allegiance in English before the votes were taken.
The vote came up in a public meeting Monday evening after a closed meeting with the city attorney where council members discussed the legal ramifications of the proposals, intended to keep illegal immigrants away from the city.
Opponents of the measures, meanwhile, collected signatures on a petition urging the city not to become the first in Texas to pass such strong anti-immigrant laws. They submitted more than 80 signatures to the mayor's office Monday.
Supporters said the ordinances are necessary because the federal government has failed to address the issue. But critics argued the proposals could lead to sanctioned discrimination and racism.
Opinions were divided during public comments taken after the council's votes had already been cast.
"Thank you for staying the course," Farmers Branch resident Joe Reynolds told the council members.
Luis De La Garza, an engineer from Mexico who has lived in the United States for 25 years, expressed dismay.
"I don't know what to say. I don't like this, I don't know what is going to happen," he said.
Domingo Garcia pledged to fight back.
"It's a total unAmerican, unChristian, unTexan for the Farmers Branch City Council to do. We're not going to stand for it. We are going to take them to court," Garcia said.
Council member Bill Moses blamed what he called inadequate federal enforcement of immigration laws for forcing their vote.
"I'm just sorry that the federal government has put us in this position," he said.
Attorneys with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, a civil rights advocacy group, told city council members before the vote that the proposals could violate federal law.
The group said it would evaluate any measures approved by the council to determine their legality.
The rules could force untrained business owners and landlords to evaluate a wide array of immigration documents to determine if the person carrying them is legally in the country, MALDEF staff attorney Marisol Perez said.
More than 50 municipalities nationwide have considered, passed or rejected similar laws, but until now that trend hasn't been matched in the Lone Star State.
Such sentiments and the proposed ordinances trouble many people in Texas, where many Latino families can trace their roots here to the era before statehood.
Since 1970, Farmers Branch has changed from a small, predominantly white bedroom community with a declining population to a city of almost 28,000 people, about 37 percent of them Hispanic, according to the census. It also is home to more than 80 corporate headquarters and more than 2,600 small and mid-size firms, many of them minority-owned.
"They're afraid that Farmers Branch is becoming Hispanic," said Christopher McGuire, a resident of the city and spokesman for a group called United Farmers Branch. "It's going to happen, and that's not a bad thing."
The local debate over illegal immigration began in August and spawned demonstrations by both sides.
The proposals follow a vote this year in Hazleton, Pa., to fine landlords who rent to illegal immigrants, deny business permits to companies that employ them and require tenants to register and pay for a rental permit.
However, a federal judge temporarily blocked enforcement of the Hazleton ordinance while he considers a lawsuit against the town by the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups.

Run_em_Hard
11-14-2006, 11:06 AM
Sounds awesome to me....about time someone grows a set and uses them!!

eliminatedsprinter
11-14-2006, 11:21 AM
I'm gonna guess everyone on this forum (myself included) will support the decision of the Farmer Branch city administrators.
Farmers Branch Approves Anti-Illegal Immigration Measures
KXAS-TV
FARMERS BRANCH, Texas - Council members in this Dallas suburb unanimously approved tough new anti-illegal immigration measures Monday evening, including one that makes English the official language. In a series of 6-0 votes, the council members without discussion approved fines for landlords who rent to illegal immigrants, and allowed local authorities to screen suspects in police custody to see if they are in the country illegally.
The votes were made in a room in City Hall packed with people who clapped as the votes were tallied in favor of the measures. In a parking lot outside, hundreds of protesters against the rules waved American flags and recited the Pledge of Allegiance in English before the votes were taken.
The vote came up in a public meeting Monday evening after a closed meeting with the city attorney where council members discussed the legal ramifications of the proposals, intended to keep illegal immigrants away from the city.
Opponents of the measures, meanwhile, collected signatures on a petition urging the city not to become the first in Texas to pass such strong anti-immigrant laws. They submitted more than 80 signatures to the mayor's office Monday.
Supporters said the ordinances are necessary because the federal government has failed to address the issue. But critics argued the proposals could lead to sanctioned discrimination and racism.
Opinions were divided during public comments taken after the council's votes had already been cast.
"Thank you for staying the course," Farmers Branch resident Joe Reynolds told the council members.
Luis De La Garza, an engineer from Mexico who has lived in the United States for 25 years, expressed dismay.
"I don't know what to say. I don't like this, I don't know what is going to happen," he said.
Domingo Garcia pledged to fight back.
"It's a total unAmerican, unChristian, unTexan for the Farmers Branch City Council to do. We're not going to stand for it. We are going to take them to court," Garcia said.
Council member Bill Moses blamed what he called inadequate federal enforcement of immigration laws for forcing their vote.
"I'm just sorry that the federal government has put us in this position," he said.
Attorneys with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, a civil rights advocacy group, told city council members before the vote that the proposals could violate federal law.
The group said it would evaluate any measures approved by the council to determine their legality.
The rules could force untrained business owners and landlords to evaluate a wide array of immigration documents to determine if the person carrying them is legally in the country, MALDEF staff attorney Marisol Perez said.
More than 50 municipalities nationwide have considered, passed or rejected similar laws, but until now that trend hasn't been matched in the Lone Star State.
Such sentiments and the proposed ordinances trouble many people in Texas, where many Latino families can trace their roots here to the era before statehood.
Since 1970, Farmers Branch has changed from a small, predominantly white bedroom community with a declining population to a city of almost 28,000 people, about 37 percent of them Hispanic, according to the census. It also is home to more than 80 corporate headquarters and more than 2,600 small and mid-size firms, many of them minority-owned.
"They're afraid that Farmers Branch is becoming Hispanic," said Christopher McGuire, a resident of the city and spokesman for a group called United Farmers Branch. "It's going to happen, and that's not a bad thing."
The local debate over illegal immigration began in August and spawned demonstrations by both sides.
The proposals follow a vote this year in Hazleton, Pa., to fine landlords who rent to illegal immigrants, deny business permits to companies that employ them and require tenants to register and pay for a rental permit.
However, a federal judge temporarily blocked enforcement of the Hazleton ordinance while he considers a lawsuit against the town by the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups.
I've got an Idea.
Call Nancy Pelosi's office and ask what the congresswoman thinks about this. :) ;)

Poster X
11-14-2006, 11:38 AM
She's not taking my calls.
There is no doubt there are many lefties who need to be bitch slapped into next week over their myopic views on what illegal immigration not only does to our economy, but our national security. However, not all righties support your views either. There are actually Republicans that are against many of the Presidents proposals on Immigration. I believe there's a whole slew of independants out there making most of the noise. But, I am not foolish enough to think all Democrats think the same. I propose you consider similar logic when deduding all righties follow your logic. :wink:

QuickJet
11-14-2006, 01:02 PM
She's not taking my calls.
There is no doubt there are many lefties who need to be bitch slapped into next week over their myopic views on what illegal immigration not only does to our economy, but our national security. However, not all righties support your views either. There are actually Republicans that are against many of the Presidents proposals on Immigration. I believe there's a whole slew of independants out there making most of the noise. But, I am not foolish enough to think all Democrats think the same. I propose you consider similar logic when deduding all righties follow your logic. :wink:
Good post. I agree 100%

eliminatedsprinter
11-14-2006, 01:36 PM
She's not taking my calls.
There is no doubt there are many lefties who need to be bitch slapped into next week over their myopic views on what illegal immigration not only does to our economy, but our national security. However, not all righties support your views either. There are actually Republicans that are against many of the Presidents proposals on Immigration. I believe there's a whole slew of independants out there making most of the noise. But, I am not foolish enough to think all Democrats think the same. I propose you consider similar logic when deduding all righties follow your logic. :wink:
You are correct.
Immigration is not a Left (socialisim/communism) or Right (capitolism) wing issue and there are plenty of folks to disagree with on both sides of the isle on this issue.

Poster X
11-14-2006, 02:13 PM
I can't believe you guys didn't bust me for saying dududing. lol

QuickJet
11-14-2006, 02:16 PM
I can't believe you guys didn't bust me for saying dududing. lol
Some crimes are overlooked due to good intent :D

eliminatedsprinter
11-14-2006, 02:17 PM
I can't believe you guys didn't bust me for saying dududing. lol
I use whoIe wocd reading. I simjly read it as deluding.... :) ;)

Old Texan
11-14-2006, 02:38 PM
I said awhile back the way to beat this border thing is a grassroots effort and that is exactly what we have here in Farmers Branch. The CA town whose name I forget passed some similar legislation a short time back so maybe the ball is rolling downhill picking up steam.
One concern is the Fed government threatening these municipalities with holding back Fed funds. Back in the 80's they did just that in Palacios, TX. The city government refused to annex a property outside their city limits that had a larrge housing development built with low/no interest loans by Vietnamese refugees. The vietnamese wanted the city to supply sewer, water, and take over road maintenance on streets not built to city code. When Palacios refused the Feds threatened loss of matching funds for upcoming city infrastructure.
Hopefully Farmer's Branch is just the beginning of drawing the line.

eliminatedsprinter
11-14-2006, 03:16 PM
I said awhile back the way to beat this border thing is a grassroots effort and that is exactly what we have here in Farmers Branch. The CA town whose name I forget passed some similar legislation a short time back so maybe the ball is rolling downhill picking up steam.
One concern is the Fed government threatening these municipalities with holding back Fed funds. Back in the 80's they did just that in Palacios, TX. The city government refused to annex a property outside their city limits that had a larrge housing development built with low/no interest loans by Vietnamese refugees. The vietnamese wanted the city to supply sewer, water, and take over road maintenance on streets not built to city code. When Palacios refused the Feds threatened loss of matching funds for upcoming city infrastructure.
Hopefully Farmer's Branch is just the beginning of drawing the line.
Well said.
P.S. The town in Ca is Ensinitas.

Knotbad
11-14-2006, 07:49 PM
The key to stopping illegal aliens is put those who employ them in jail. That may not stop it all, but word will spread and the employers will think twice before they hire them.

Poster X
11-14-2006, 08:20 PM
The key to stopping illegal aliens is put those who employ them in jail. That may not stop it all, but word will spread and the employers will think twice before they hire them.
I agree. I haven't seen a Mexican yet that couldn't jump a fence. Control comes from making it impossible to live here illegally. Try going to Mexico and surviving without legal documentation.

deltaAce
11-14-2006, 08:43 PM
Good post. I want to be part of this rare HB Political Rhetoric forum moment & say, "I concur".

QuickJet
11-14-2006, 08:57 PM
I agree. I haven't seen a Mexican yet that couldn't jump a fence. Control comes from making it impossible to live here illegally. Try going to Mexico and surviving without legal documentation.
I agree and....................
The key to stopping illegal aliens is put those who employ them in jail. That may not stop it all, but word will spread and the employers will think twice before they hire them.
I agree................

Wetracer
11-15-2006, 09:09 AM
That is good that you all agree, now go to
www.grassfire.org and sign the petition!!!
and go to
http://capwiz.com/congressorg/utr/1/CBVVGKQUQY/LSFMGKRJWS/954479726
and sign the petition!!! We can all bitch about it but unless we fight back against these groups nothing will ever change.
BORDERS, LANGUAGE, CULTURE=AMERICA!! Words of wisdom

QuickJet
11-15-2006, 06:20 PM
That is good that you all agree, now go to
www.grassfire.org and sign the petition!!!
and go to
http://capwiz.com/congressorg/utr/1/CBVVGKQUQY/LSFMGKRJWS/954479726
and sign the petition!!! We can all bitch about it but unless we fight back against these groups nothing will ever change.
BORDERS, LANGUAGE, CULTURE=AMERICA!! Words of wisdom
Done it and done it. Been on the list for awhile now.

Poster X
11-15-2006, 07:38 PM
I did Congress.org. I can't support grassroots. Their like the gorillas on Planet of the Apes. Sorry but I liked Roddy McDowell.

QuickJet
11-15-2006, 10:34 PM
I did Congress.org. I can't support grassroots. Their like the gorillas on Planet of the Apes. Sorry but I liked Roddy McDowell.
Given that, Corneilus was a pussy! If you wanted anything done you had to leave it up the gorillas.

Poster X
11-16-2006, 10:14 AM
The gorillas were mindless pawns of the orangutans. :yuk:

eliminatedsprinter
11-16-2006, 10:56 AM
The gorillas were mindless pawns of the orangutans. :yuk:
Yes but the Orangutans dressed better. Besides, in the real world it is the chimps that are the violent brutes of the great apes. :rollside:

Poster X
11-16-2006, 12:48 PM
I think Chimp Chimp, Cheetah, Bubbles, and Bonzo would disagree?
Moderator: this is political because Ronald Reagan made a movie with Bonzo and the Planet of the Apes was statement on the dichotomy of the political hierarchy in America. :)

QuickJet
11-16-2006, 04:02 PM
I think Chimp Chimp, Cheetah, Bubbles, and Bonzo would disagree?
Moderator: this is political because Ronald Reagan made a movie with Bonzo and the Planet of the Apes was statement on the dichotomy of the political hierarchy in America. :)
Good cover X................

Poster X
11-16-2006, 06:12 PM
Thanks. Think he noticed?