winter? nah.

[cyclone]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/45IMG_9236.JPG
70 degrees out, plenty of water in the river and not a single boat out except for a nice Sanger flat.

[MudPumper]

Looking good Mikey, still had to sink her pretty deep on that ramp though huh??

[4trax]

This looks better
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/45IMG_9236.JPG
70 degrees out, plenty of water in the river and not a single boat out except for a nice Sanger flat.
Than this. It's 15' here and it's 12:40pm
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r162/4trax67/Just%20pictures/12-04-06.jpg?t=1165257251

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It's 41 here ya fock, and the warmest it's been in 4 or 5 days. :cry:
Beautiful water, hope it was a great time. :)

[eek-a-RAT]

52 degrees here.
20 miles east of san francisco.

[Xerophobic]

we had minus 42 with wind chill here last week and for those who are unaware thats the same in celcius AND F at that temp haha
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/dscf1181r_486.jpg
Oddly enough we're still planning a boating event for next weekend lol
Cheers

[squirt'nmyload]

here i am on saturday
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0596.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0594.jpg

[squirt'nmyload]

hotrod sprint and 67weiman on saturday also
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0559.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0560.jpg

[JETBOY03]

this is me on saturday, in the high 30's talk about cold
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/22662_Dec_Austin.JPG

[HBjet]

Water sure is low... but high for winter!
Glad your taking it out like you said you would be doing...
HBjet

[TRG]

i figured you'd be right there with mike, randy!
what you been doin'?

[sleekvino]

this is me on sunday 64* and flat as can be!!!!!!!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/10574daytona_006-med.jpg

[FuelInMyVeins82]

we had minus 42 with wind chill here last week and for those who are unaware thats the same in celcius AND F at that temp haha
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/dscf1181r_486.jpg
Oddly enough we're still planning a boating event for next weekend lol
Cheers
we have a WINNER

[moneysucker]

we have a WINNER
Not only is it cold there someone stole all the boat trailers!!!!

[Heatseeker]

hotrod sprint and 67weiman on saturday also
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0559.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0560.jpg
Dammit, I sure wish I'd have moved to AZ when I had the chance a couple of years back!!!
Even a 50* here, it's too freaking cold for me. I don't know how you guys can deal with that snow stuff!!!
C'mon summertime!

[QuickJet]

My outside thermometer says 81 degrees! Brrrrrrr.

[Unchained]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/45IMG_9236.JPG
Mike, It's a great looking boat.........but that big ass scoop on that little single 4 carb............ :rolleyes: ...........must be a California thing.

[cyclone]

top 5 excuses for the big ass scoop on the little four barrel carb:
1. couldn't afford a tunnel ram and another carb.
2. the taller the scoop the faster the boat.
3. over compensating for an underpowered engine.
4. the air is better up there.
5. didn't want numbers on the side of the boat so we needed a scoop big enough to fit them on.

[Cs19]

but that big ass scoop on that little single 4 carb............ :rolleyes: ...........must be a California thing.
$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.

[Heatseeker]

$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Blown 472]

$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.
Blah blah blah. :rollside:

[Xerophobic]

Not only is it cold there someone stole all the boat trailers!!!!
Haha whats trailers? thats the employee parking lot. Our boats run in REALLY shallow water ;)
Cheers

[HotRod Sprint]

this is me on saturday, in the high 30's talk about cold
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/22662_Dec_Austin.JPG
Oh, but look at that glass you are running on.
Rod

[n8dawg]

top 5 excuses for the big ass scoop on the little four barrel carb:
1. couldn't afford a tunnel ram and another carb.
2. the taller the scoop the faster the boat.
3. over compensating for an underpowered engine.
4. the air is better up there.
5. didn't want numbers on the side of the boat so we needed a scoop big enough to fit them on.
What happened to the carbs off the blower you running?
Looks sweet! Are you running better numbers?

[Scoobinator]

$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.
I can Vouch for that. There are plenty on Fast single Carbureted boats in Cali with big ass scoops that go 100+

[moneysucker]

Haha whats trailers? thats the employee parking lot. Our boats run in REALLY shallow water ;)
Cheers
That is a good one. I would love to run in those creeks and mud puddles you guys run in.

[cyclone]

$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.
smack! :crossx:

[cyclone]

Water sure is low... but high for winter!
Glad your taking it out like you said you would be doing...
HBjet
by the end of the day it was all the way up. there's been plenty to drive on after 12pm though.
dude i'm going again in january if you're down. i'll just have to jet up for the 50 degree temps. lol

[sanger mike]

sunday afternoon at the afterbay near Chico CA, 63** but the water was real cold. :220v: that's lakesonly getten kinda strange with his ford. :rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115120306_002.jpg

[Unchained]

$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat.
YOU'RE ON !!! I'll take that challenge,
Bring her on over.
Better yet Chris, You fly over here next summer and try it out for yourself.
I'll pick you up from the airport and provide room and board. YOU"RE INVITED.
But I have to warn you, you'll be making major changes when you get home.
That NA setup is not going to have as much appeal after a dose of this.
Here's some interesting reading of a twin turbo race car I found on racingjunk.com that looked especially impressive considering it was only 400 ci.
http://racingjunk.com/post/737756/98-jerry-haas-twin-turbo-probe.html
1900+ RWHP with a Ford small block
Mid 6's at 218 mph
People who haven't messed around with turbo's just can't comprehend what HP is possible.

[Ken F]

Chris, I'll have to testify under oath here.
I've ridden in Unchained's boat. It's Wicked fast. A blower engine doesn't hold a candle to it. Even a full blown Drag boat.
Ken

[cyclone]

guess the only question I have is can Unchained get all that turbo power to the water without cavitating the pump?

[sleekvino]

heres cail in december!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-3ocW75Q64

[cyclone]

nice vid and nice boat. looks like you guys are having fun. :rollside:

[DEL51]

that michigan guy says carbs are old school and Gay :boxed:

[Duane HTP]

Well, I like carbs, BUT that Michigan guy, Unchained, is very sharp on EFI. He knows what he's doing and has that boat running very well. It's quick too.

[Cs19]

Here's some interesting reading of a twin turbo race car I found on racingjunk.com that looked especially impressive considering it was only 400 ci.
http://racingjunk.com/post/737756/98-jerry-haas-twin-turbo-probe.html
1900+ RWHP with a Ford small block
Mid 6's at 218 mph
People who haven't messed around with turbo's just can't comprehend what HP is possible.
Thats just fanastic Unchained, the guy in your link runs hard and so do many other guys who play with turbos. Turbos make crazy HP, nobody is arguing that.

[Cs19]

Chris, I'll have to testify under oath here.
I've ridden in Unchained's boat. It's Wicked fast. A blower engine doesn't hold a candle to it. Even a full blown Drag boat.
Ken
So how many full blown drag boats have you been in since your comparing one to Unchained's boat? Remember, your under oath here.
No doubt its a fast jetboat and the thing probably makes nasty HP but my origonal statement still stands, and no Im not coming to Michigan from California.

[Cs19]

But I have to warn you, you'll be making major changes when you get home.
That NA setup is not going to have as much appeal after a dose of this..
This is the stuff that just kills me about Unchained's posts.
:rolleyes:
For just one second try to imagine that there are people who are just as passionate about their combinations as you are.

[Beer-30]

Other than a few fisherman, we had Buena Vista to ourselves on Saturday (12/02/06)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2433IMG_2715.JPG

[FILUCKY]

Theres no better feeling then putting a hurt'n on a blown, turbo or N2o fed motor with a little single carb N/A motor. :) I've toyed with the idea of going forced induction but it just loses something. :cool:

[twowheeledfish]

sunday afternoon at the afterbay near Chico CA, 63** but the water was real cold. :220v: that's lakesonly getten kinda strange with his ford. :rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115120306_002.jpg
Ack! You nuts went to the afterbay??? And I thought our little band of miscreants out at Scotty's landing had a screw loose... I see we're not alone.
D

[Blown 472]

This is the stuff that just kills me about Unchained's posts.
:rolleyes:
For just one second try to imagine that there are people who are just as passionate about their combinations as you are.
Jesus do you always have to be a dick? someday you will learn there is always someone faster then you. :rolleyes:

[cyclone]

Well, I like carbs, BUT that Michigan guy, Unchained, is very sharp on EFI. He knows what he's doing and has that boat running very well. It's quick too.
any idea how quick? no doubt its fast but i wonder how quick.
oh i almost forgot i had two questions for you duane. i have a couple of your bowl pressure relief valves and both of them squirt water out like a sprinkler when the boat is idling. is that normal?
question number 2: my jet a way lately has been real tough to disengage. i replaced the bearings and gaskets and its still tough to get out of gear. i have to bump the starter a few times to make it move. Is there anything else i need to replace to fix it? thanks in advance.
mike

[Duane HTP]

. i have a couple of your bowl pressure relief valves and both of them squirt water out like a sprinkler when the boat is idling. is that normal?
Yes, that is the design. They shut off at about 1500 RPM.
Don't know how quick as ET quick, No. Haven't seen it on the clocks but have seen him run some other race boats that are quick boats. He usually prevails.
Bearings or gaskets would have nothing to do with the shifting.
Cold weather makes them stiff, or if they set a long time. Also getting a little sand or dirt in the shift collar O-Rings can cause that. I got one in yesterday from Tom Morrow that is 12 years old, and it had brittle shift O-Rings, as if someone had put the wrong kind of lubricate in it. It shifted hard. Replacing the shift O-Rings solved the problem.
When you say you have to bump your starter, that tells me something. It sounds like something in your pump may be to tight, like a packing, wear ring, stuffer. Those jaw clutches are built on a 5 degree back cut so that they can never slip out of gear. When you shift it, the pump shaft has to turn backwards just a little to disengage. If something is too tight, that is hard to do.
Try this. Put a breakover on your harmonic ballancer bolt and turn the engine backwards just a little. If this makes it easier to shift, it's in the pump. If it don't help, send it to me. I'll fix it.

[superdave013]

So how many full blown drag boats have you been in since your comparing one to Unchained's boat? Remember, your under oath here.
No doubt its a fast jetboat and the thing probably makes nasty HP but my origonal statement still stands, and no Im not coming to Michigan from California.
so why make a 500 dollar bet when you already know you won't follow through with it?
Ask Detriot Jim about Unchained's boat. I guess he went for a few rides and was way more then impressed. He races a Kurtis 501 hydro with a 540 blown injected on alky so he should have a pretty good baseline to compare.
Hey, I've got an idea. Maybe you guys could meet on netural grounds and punch off at the next Smokin in the Cove. :)

[cyclone]

so why make a 500 dollar bet when you already know you won't follow through with it?
Ask Detriot Jim about Unchained's boat. I guess he went for a few rides and was way more then impressed. He races a Kurtis 501 hydro with a 540 blown injected on alky so he should have a pretty good baseline to compare.
Hey, I've got an idea. Maybe you guys could meet on netural grounds and punch off at the next Smokin in the Cove. :)
its the guys that don't post much that always stir the pot the fastest. lol
how's the schiada comin' dave?

[superdave013]

I have not seen the schiada in at least 3 months.
My cnc mill has been keeping me pretty busy lately. The plus side is it runs it's self for the most part. The down side is I've been feeding material in it from 7:30AM to 9:30PM.

[cyclone]

I have not seen the schiada in at least 3 months.
My cnc mill has been keeping me pretty busy lately. The plus side is it runs it's self for the most part. The down side is I've been feeding material in it from 7:30AM to 9:30PM.
Being a captain of industry is a rough gig. i thought for sure you'd have your boat back together before mine.

[Cs19]

so why make a 500 dollar bet when you already know you won't follow through with it?
Time for a re-read Dave.
His invite for me to come out to Michigan was AFTER my intial post, Ill follow through in a heartbeat but Im not driving to Michigan, you wouldnt either.

[Cs19]

Jesus do you always have to be a dick? someday you will learn there is always someone faster then you. :rolleyes:
I lose more races than i win, Im fully aware that Im not fast.
My posts towards Unchained may not be all that hot but lets not act like this is anything special..
but that big ass scoop on that little single 4 carb............ :rolleyes: ...........must be a California thing.

[cyclone]

I lose more races than i win, Im fully aware that Im not fast.
My posts towards Unchained may not be all that hot but lets not act like this is anything special..
i dont know about all that. i'd say running in the 8's with a naturally aspirated, 91 octane burning motor in a jet boat is pretty fast or at the very least, quick. remember you aren't driving a potatoe chip boat either chris. yours is not a 300# cp tunnel.

[Scoobinator]

Why all the arguing why not all you meet at the drags and exchange time slips. Your boats may be fast but how are they in a quarter mile thats what everybody compares.

[cyclone]

welcome to the winter time blues...

[pattymelt18]

Screw the track lets just talk crap and piss people off.

[Unchained]

so why make a 500 dollar bet when you already know you won't follow through with it?
Ask Detriot Jim about Unchained's boat. I guess he went for a few rides and was way more then impressed. He races a Kurtis 501 hydro with a 540 blown injected on alky so he should have a pretty good baseline to compare.
Hey, I've got an idea. Maybe you guys could meet on netural grounds and punch off at the next Smokin in the Cove. :)
It's all in fun for me. My feathers aren't easily ruffled.
I know Chris isn't going to bring his boat to Mi any more than I'm going to bring mine to Ca. He just wants to get a rise out of me and that's fine.
I've met Chris, He's a good guy, has made a great show at racing and his boat is a real nice piece too.
If we raced at SITC Chris would certainly win because my ability to cut a timing light is non existent.
However EVERY boat on this site could easily be accurately compared by video taping an in dash GPS (like I did) and graphing the accelleration curve with the GPS update time. There's no room for error. The numbers don't lie.
I made this suggestion many times and all I got were replys like "at the track was the only way to do it" :rolleyes:

[MudPumper]

dude i'm going again in january if you're down. i'll just have to jet up for the 50 degree temps. lol
Mike, when in Jan are you plannin on going??? We might be down for that.

[Duane HTP]

It was 24 * F here today and we tested a boat.
http://www.hi-techperformance.com/images/DCP_2278%20cr.jpg
That blower loved that cold air too. This is Brian for those who don't know. See the snow on the rocks in the back ground. Brrrr!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Wow! How long did it takem for Brian to defrost his balls after that? :crossx:

[Heatseeker]

It was 24 * F here today and we tested a boat...
You gotta be outta your freakin' mind!!! That or really love what you are doing.
As much as I enjoy boating, 24* is just too cold for me!

[stoker2001]

Screw the track lets just talk crap and piss people off.I am with you Josh :crossx: Unchained raced a local not long ago in Michigan (RSrneck) that races ODBA,so i got a real good idea how quick the turbo goes :eek:CS just ran at IHBA WFs with us (i was in M/E class),so i know how quick the single four goes.Off the bottle i would bet on UC.My pisspot wants no part of either boat :)

[Duane HTP]

You gotta be outta your freakin' mind!!! That or really love what you are doing.
It's a little of both I think.

[jweeks123]

Off the bottle i would bet on UC.wait a minute.
you want the guy with the single four barrle to go without n2o, but the other guy gets twin turbo and efi ???
what kind of a match is that
jw

[QuickJet]

It was 24 * F here today and we tested a boat.
http://www.hi-techperformance.com/images/DCP_2278%20cr.jpg
That blower loved that cold air too. This is Brian for those who don't know. See the snow on the rocks in the back ground. Brrrr!
Damn, I respect that!!!
It was 82 here today. I don't even go outside let alone drive a boat in 24 degreee weather.

[Cs19]

wait a minute.
you want the guy with the single four barrle to go without n2o, but the other guy gets twin turbo and efi ???
what kind of a match is that
jw
Lets not forget about the alum engine block, alum connecting rods, etc. etc.JWeeks is right, a fair race would be with me on the bottle.
I would loooove to have a shot at Unchained. Maybe next season things will fall into place? I know Im willing to travel if I can make a weekend out of it :)

[Cs19]

It's all in fun for me. My feathers aren't easily ruffled.
I know Chris isn't going to bring his boat to Mi any more than I'm going to bring mine to Ca. He just wants to get a rise out of me and that's fine.
I've met Chris, He's a good guy, has made a great show at racing and his boat is a real nice piece too.
If we raced at SITC Chris would certainly win because my ability to cut a timing light is non existent.
However EVERY boat on this site could easily be accurately compared by video taping an in dash GPS (like I did) and graphing the accelleration curve with the GPS update time. There's no room for error. The numbers don't lie.
I made this suggestion many times and all I got were replys like "at the track was the only way to do it" :rolleyes:
Every boat on this site could be compared even better if they would go to the race track just ONE TIME.The numbers dont lie.
Im tottally unfamiialr with the GPS thing youve mentioned but if its truly that accurate Im willing to do it.
BTW, cutting lights is only important in competition, I just want to see a time slip on your turbo boat, not a reaction time.

[4trax]

Every boat on this site could be compared even better if they would go to the race track just ONE TIME.The numbers dont lie.
Im tottally unfamiialr with the GPS thing youve mentioned but if its truly that accurate Im willing to do it.
BTW, cutting lights is only important in competition, I just want to see a time slip on your turbo boat, not a reaction time.
Neither one of you guys are fast enough for this to wake up and spank ya! Until then shhhhhhhhhhh. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r162/4trax67/boating/Boat49.jpg

[QuickJet]

Every boat on this site could be compared even better if they would go to the race track just ONE TIME.The numbers dont lie..
What a boat runs at the track is what it runs at the TRACK. Most here run there boats at the river or lakes. An 8 sec timeslip means nothing at the river. And the track is for race boats.
Not baggin on the suggestion, I just don't see the point in comparring a boat that races on the river to one that races at the track.
Cool thing about the GPS is that you can get your data for the conditions you are in (such as out on the river).

[cyclone]

The only difference between driving at the track and driving at your local lake is that at the track you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to mash the gas for a full 1/4 mile. that first trip down the quarter is a real eye opener.
Oh and you've got to learn how to holeshot your boat quickly or you will lose every race.

[QuickJet]

The only difference between driving at the track and driving at your local lake is that at the track you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to mash the gas for a full 1/4 mile. that first trip down the quarter is a real eye opener.
Oh and you've got to learn how to holeshot your boat quickly or you will lose every race.
True. But whats more fun, runnin down a boat that just past your camp or sittin on the rope all day? :rollside:

[Unchained]

Well since the engines out of my boat and the driveshafts twisted off too I won't be running it any time soon, (that's beside the fact that the lakes are almost froze over here).
But Chris can take a video of an in dash GPS like I mentioned and post the video up here like I did. I saw his in cockpit video while holding the camera and it didn't look like he was setting the world on fire to me but it was kind of jerky. A view of the GPS during the run and knowing the update speed of the GPS will tell all. Setting the GPS for a 1 sec update is the easiest to graph.
Run it up to 115 or whatever you get up to in the 1/4 mi. and the accelleration rate per second can be graphed out. Piece of cake.
Let the games begin..........

[stoker2001]

wait a minute.
you want the guy with the single four barrle to go without n2o, but the other guy gets twin turbo and efi ???
what kind of a match is that
jwIts not your typical four barrel run of the mill.Take a guess what kinda power that Dave Eckert (DNE) 560 inch beast made with pump gas?Lets just say it made the cover of a popular car magazine :crossx:

[Scoobinator]

Dave @ DNE Is going to build my next engine I heard alot of good things about his engines I seen motors he built run at Ming I never seen anybody in the pits with engine problems built by DNE.

[cyclone]

True. But whats more fun, runnin down a boat that just past your camp or sittin on the rope all day? :rollside:
you'd be surprised. I have more fun lining up against a field of 8 boats at the track than running down the occasional racer at the river.
You just get to race a lot more at the track and the competition makes it real fun.
At the river i get to drive my boat more, but no way do i get into as many real races there. I enjoy both places for different reasons.

[Cs19]

Well since the engines out of my boat and the driveshafts twisted off too I won't be running it any time soon, (that's beside the fact that the lakes are almost froze over here).
But Chris can take a video of an in dash GPS like I mentioned and post the video up here like I did. I saw his in cockpit video while holding the camera and it didn't look like he was setting the world on fire to me but it was kind of jerky. A view of the GPS during the run and knowing the update speed of the GPS will tell all. Setting the GPS for a 1 sec update is the easiest to graph.
Run it up to 115 or whatever you get up to in the 1/4 mi. and the accelleration rate per second can be graphed out. Piece of cake.
Let the games begin..........
:rolleyes:
You saw a video of my boat from labor day 05' with my old engine and no bottle in 110 degree heat and your right, Im not setting the world on fire but you aernt fooling anyone either.
Your GPS thing sounds straight up hillbilly to me, Im not into it...Borrowing a data system and over laying speed traces along with an onboard cam is a much better way to go.There are 3 wires and one quick disconnect hose to get a data file and they are accurate, I would consider sending mine to you but Id rather do the real thing. SITC can be put on the schedule for 07'. :)

[Cs19]

What a boat runs at the track is what it runs at the TRACK. Most here run there boats at the river or lakes. An 8 sec timeslip means nothing at the river. And the track is for race boats.
Not baggin on the suggestion, I just don't see the point in comparring a boat that races on the river to one that races at the track.
Cool thing about the GPS is that you can get your data for the conditions you are in (such as out on the river).
????

[HotRod Sprint]

Hey, why don't all you guys quit hijacking the thread. Either put up or shut up. But in the mean time lets get back to what is important here
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0559.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0596.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k265/squirtnmyload/DSCF0560.jpg
Being on the water in the middle of winter :D
Rod

[QuickJet]

????
???????

[blue wonder]

The only difference between driving at the track and driving at your local lake is that at the track you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to mash the gas for a full 1/4 mile. that first trip down the quarter is a real eye opener.
Oh and you've got to learn how to holeshot your boat quickly or you will lose every race.
amen brother...the track is a very humbling experience!!!...i thought i had a fast boat too...until i got that timeslip!!!

[QuickJet]

amen brother...the track is a very humbling experience!!!...i thought i had a fast boat too...until i got that timeslip!!!
Experience will tell you if you have a fast boat. A timeslip mearly confirms it to others who are too affraid to ride in it.

[UBFJ #454]

Re: Chris' Motor ... http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_chevy_big_block_build/

[blue wonder]

hey cs..when is SITC???..if you guys are going i might be interested in going too

[QuickJet]

Re: Chris' Motor ... http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_chevy_big_block_build/
30 Grand!!!!???? That deffinatly puts me on the "shoestring" team.

[Blown 472]

Re: Chris' Motor ... http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_chevy_big_block_build/
OH yes the good old days of a hot dyno.

[UBFJ #454]

OH yes the good old days of a hot dyno.
And you know the Dyno referred to was 'Hot' because you've dyno'd how many motors on it?

[cyclone]

I'll bet the dyno doesn't contradict the time slips.
dont mind blown, he's just pissed that he lost his old tag team partner Omega back in the day and he's not here to back him up in the old "the dyno's bogus" war.
its thread like this that'll keep winter from being boring. lol

[blue wonder]

OH yes the good old days of a hot dyno.
someones always gotta be a hater...jealousy...damn it all

[pattymelt18]

True. But whats more fun, runnin down a boat that just past your camp or sittin on the rope all day? :rollside:
I love this u go chase down a guy then he stops and floats and says will do it later.love it.
And as far as blown 472 u must have a b&m blower stuffed on a cast crank and pistons and tell ur buddies makes way tooooooooo much power.

[sanger mike]

It was 24 * F here today and we tested a boat.
http://www.hi-techperformance.com/images/DCP_2278%20cr.jpg
That blower loved that cold air too. This is Brian for those who don't know. See the snow on the rocks in the back ground. Brrrr!
you know suddenly the life of a test pilot dosn't seem so glamours.

[QuickJet]

I love this u go chase down a guy then he stops and floats and says will do it later.love it..
Why would he say that?
And as far as blown 472 u must have a b&m blower stuffed on a cast crank and pistons and tell ur buddies makes way tooooooooo much power.
Have you seen Blowns motor or are you just jumpin in the back of the truck going on a hay ride with all yur buddies?

[Scoobinator]

Dave does build kick a$$ enginesRe: Chris' Motor ... http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_chevy_big_block_build/

[Unchained]

There's no doubt DNE builds a great engine.
But I don't have anywhere near 30k into mine.
And I started out with an aluminum Y block. (probably down 100 hp from the iron block right there :rolleyes: )
Foolng anyone ???
I've put up multiple videos showing the GPS.
How much more honest could I have been about the boats performance ?
I'm not one to stretch things.
Once again, the nearest track to where I live in Mi. is Kentucky.
I'm not interested enough in racing to make the trip just to show someone else a time slip. You west coasters have it made that NJBA events are so convenient to where you live.

[Blown 472]

And you know the Dyno referred to was 'Hot' because you've dyno'd how many motors on it?
NOpe, cuz westec admited to it in car craft magazine. :rolleyes:

[Blown 472]

I love this u go chase down a guy then he stops and floats and says will do it later.love it.
And as far as blown 472 u must have a b&m blower stuffed on a cast crank and pistons and tell ur buddies makes way tooooooooo much power.
Nope single four on a 8.3 to 1 motor, you see 5 months of boating where I live, not worth throwing money at it anymore.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

NOpe, cuz westec admited to it in car craft magazine. :rolleyes:
Hmmmm. Odd. I can't find the story. 'Course, you are ALWAYS good for a link. :rolleyes:

[superdave013]

Experience will tell you if you have a fast boat. A timeslip mearly confirms it to others who are too affraid to ride in it.
Race your boat for one season and you will end up with a much quicker and faster boat. It's a great way to really get your stuff dialed in.
I started with a 10 second boat and ended up with an 8 second boat. Then when you take a boat that runs low 8's to the river you can really beat people up. But even there there is always someone faster.

[bp]

NOpe, cuz westec admited to it in car craft magazine. :rolleyes:
yes, but not that "hot"... if you knew uncorrected (which you won't) and looked at the corrected, it's easy to recognize that engine easily cleared a grand.
mark, r/t's ain't that hard. if you don't want to, just bring it; i'll drive it :cool:
if cs is on a full n2 pass, he's gonna getcha. if he's n/a, no n2, he will probably getcha in the 1/8, but you'll probably get the top end.

[Duane HTP]

The tricky part of testing in this kind of weather is that if you have to put the boat in more than once, you have to move over to the next space on the ramp to unload. If you don't, the water on the boat ramp where the boat came out the first time has frozen and turned to ice, and you can not pull back out, you're stuck there.
All in a day's work! :)

[Unchained]

if cs is on a full n2 pass, he's gonna getcha. if he's n/a, no n2, he will probably getcha in the 1/8, but you'll probably get the top end.
I agree and that's fine.
I also agree with SD about race hardware setups that I have never done.
I just go to the river and hang out with friends.
If I spent an afternoon fine tuning pump adjustments It would probably make some improvements in speed and ET.

[DEL51]

It was 24 * F here today and we tested a boat.
http://www.hi-techperformance.com/images/DCP_2278%20cr.jpg
That blower loved that cold air too. This is Brian for those who don't know. See the snow on the rocks in the back ground. Brrrr!
Duane, Did you see a power/speed increase with that cold air and water? I ran mine in Oct with a 53 deg temp and ran more rpm. 24 deg is extreme and must have been Brutal. You guys are way hardcore!

[Clockstart]

I just go to the river and hang out with friends.
If I spent an afternoon fine tuning pump adjustments It would probably make some improvements in speed and ET.If you were a Californian, you'd hang at 6th St. :wink:

[bp]

If I spent an afternoon fine tuning pump adjustments It would probably make some improvements in speed and ET.
most likely true. i'll just say that cs has spent ALOT of afternoons, evenings, weekends "adjusting" that thing to get it this far. for a daytona, it leaves very very nicely, which really affects et to the 1/8th. that's why i'd "guess" what i did, with a vague idea of your power/weight, a better idea of his, and having watched him run from the rope many times.
i've launced on iced ramps before, good to have a nice winch in front. no thanks, you can have all my share of that fun :)

[Cs19]

Why dont they make a little smiley guy that is biting his tounge? Cause thats what I'm doin'.
Happy Holidays.
CS

[lil man wayne]

BlaBlaBla my wooden canoe can spank all your asses any day+3 times on monday:cry:

[pattymelt18]

BlaBlaBla my wooden canoe can spank all your asses any day+3 times on monday:cry:
The only wooden anything you have is a pencil and beat off to it everytime you go on just jets fing homo.

[lil man wayne]

The only wooden anything you have is a pencil and beat off to it everytime you go on just jets fing homo.
At least i dont spanked by a whacker:argue:

[QuickJet]

At least i dont spanked by a whacker:argue:
http://mud.mm-a6.yimg.com/image/2292351824

[superdave013]

Once again, the nearest track to where I live in Mi. is Kentucky.
I'm not interested enough in racing to make the trip just to show someone else a time slip. You west coasters have it made that NJBA events are so convenient to where you live.
And that right there is one of the main reasons I moved out here. Well, the weather might have been a factor also. Oh, the wild chicks might have been too. lol
But really, I wanted to race drag boats and be able to skateboard all year around. I had my fun with it and would not trade it for any thing.

[pattymelt18]

At least i dont spanked by a whacker:argue:
least im not gay and hide behind a fake profile.
hey quickjet youre just gay!and youre boats slow cuz i said so.holdn it down in the 562 because thats how i roll.

[QuickJet]

least im not gay and hide behind a fake profile.
hey quickjet youre just gay!and youre boats slow cuz i said so.holdn it down in the 562 because thats how i roll.
If you had a boat I might respond with some seriousness, but since yah don't..................:confused:

[NUTHIN]

If you had a boat I might respond with some seriousness, but since yah don't..................:confused:he said (your boats slow) haha!! boats as in both are slow?
---------->one is<----------
but the other one gets with the program:supp:

[QuickJet]

he said (your boats slow) haha!! boats as in both are slow?
---------->one is<----------
but the other one gets with the program:supp:
Ha, the "slow" one is till faster than Pattymelt.
Here's a sneak shot of him last fathers Day at CFW trying to make an early morning pass before the Hydros went at it. He's a sneaky sum bitch!
http://re3.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/1212285512

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206...g_block_build/
No wonder why his boat runs that well. 30 G's it better run that good;) Ive seen cs's boat run at firebird and it hauls the mail. IT takes a puuuurdy set and flat out runs. Dave does build some killer work. I talked to him at firebird this year and he is a very nice guy;) Its kinda funny because you would expect to meet an arrogant guy but he isnt! Most guys that have that much knowledge is usually arrogant or azzholes. Dave is a hell of a guy;)
I wopuld love to see a race between cs19 and unchained. That wuld be a damn good race to see! I would want to see a half mile run though;)

[pattymelt18]

If you had a boat I might respond with some seriousness, but since yah don't..................:confused:
youre sad. go travel 300 miles tocfw win 1 out of 10races and claim all time champ.but do me a favor go blow smoke in vdrives because cause youre boringgggggggggggggg.:cry:

[Blown 472]

yes, but not that "hot"... if you knew uncorrected (which you won't) and looked at the corrected, it's easy to recognize that engine easily cleared a grand.
mark, r/t's ain't that hard. if you don't want to, just bring it; i'll drive it :cool:
if cs is on a full n2 pass, he's gonna getcha. if he's n/a, no n2, he will probably getcha in the 1/8, but you'll probably get the top end.
Fully aware of uncorreted which would be measured hp which is what that motor made the day it was dynoed on a happy dyno.

[QuickJet]

youre sad. go travel 300 miles tocfw win 1 out of 10races and claim all time champ.but do me a favor go blow smoke in vdrives because cause youre boringgggggggggggggg.:cry:
I'm sad???? First off it's over 500 miles for me to get there and worth every one of em. If you had a boat worthy of that lake you'd know what I'm talkin about.
1 out of 10 ha ha ha....care to put your money where your mouth is???

[Unchained]

There was a great place to race in eastern Mi. at Columbiaville that hosted national events for many years. I seen TFH 's run there many times. It was a three day event and brought in many racers from Ca.
The races ended there in the late 80's.
A was told by a racer who claimed to know the inside scoop that they had to payoff everyone and their brother to be able to have that race every year.
And that's how it's done in Mi.
Then they had races right in Grand Rapids by where I live. It was a really nice site with launch ramps at each end of the track. I raced there several times.
I saw John Haas crash a BAH and got a broken neck there in 1999.
That race was killed by the city who refused to let the racers charge admission to the park for two days out of the year and other locals who said it was too loud for 2 days out of the year.

[stoker2001]

At least i dont spanked by a whacker:argue:LMW,come out and play in April at Firebird opener,you can get some too:eat:

[Scoobinator]

I learned from past experiences that old saying you get what you pay for I can understand some people have budgets but if anybody can afford it I’m sure you will get the results that you want. Anyways who cares how fast you really go as long as you enjoy what you have because no matter how fast you go there is always somebody out there that is a little faster and the people with the big heads on them will be the one's that have a serious boating accident.There's no doubt DNE builds a great engine.
But I don't have anywhere near 30k into mine.
And I started out with an aluminum Y block. (probably down 100 hp from the iron block right there :rolleyes: )
Foolng anyone ???
I've put up multiple videos showing the GPS.
How much more honest could I have been about the boats performance ?
I'm not one to stretch things.
Once again, the nearest track to where I live in Mi. is Kentucky.
I'm not interested enough in racing to make the trip just to show someone else a time slip. You west coasters have it made that NJBA events are so convenient to where you live.

[NUTHIN]

I'm sad???? First off it's over 500 miles for me to get there and worth every one of em. If you had a boat worthy of that lake you'd know what I'm talkin about.
1 out of 10 ha ha ha....care to put your money where your mouth is???Sounds like a possible race here.. you might have to bust out the t-deck for this one eh :supp:

[Unchained]

Your GPS thing sounds straight up hillbilly to me,
Ok this is what I was trying to explain,
I took the gps numbers and put them on the graph next to the 1 sec intervals that were the gps update time. I can't tell you what speed my boat would cross the start line at an IHBA race, maybe 40 - 45 mph ??
Nor can I tell you at what point I would be at the 1/8 mi distance.
It is just a way to compare accelleration rates on a graph.
The boat wasn't topped out as the speed was still climbing.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/220accelrate.jpg
I didn't think it did too bad for a lake boat with a full interior and two gas tanks 3/4 full. Running weight was around 1,940# as I recall.

[Jetboatguru]

by your graph you would most likely be leaving on a 7 which is 3.5 seconds to the start line beams. At 3.5 seconds on your graph you are between 20 and 30 mph. Your time to the 1/8th would be approximately 5 seconds flat so add that to the 3.5 seconds and you get 8.5 seconds. On your graph, you would doing approx 90-95 mph. If you were to carry this all the way out you would be running somewhere in the mid to high 9 second range as I think I gave you the benefit on the 5.0 to the 1/8th. This should be fairly accurate.

[blue wonder]

by your graph you would most likely be leaving on a 7 which is 3.5 seconds to the start line beams. At 3.5 seconds on your graph you are between 20 and 30 mph. Your time to the 1/8th would be approximately 5 seconds flat so add that to the 3.5 seconds and you get 8.5 seconds. On your graph, you would doing approx 90-95 mph. If you were to carry this all the way out you would be running somewhere in the mid to high 9 second range as I think I gave you the benefit on the 5.0 to the 1/8th. This should be fairly accurate.
Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news but according to those figures....YOUR BOAT IS SLOW!!!!!!....first off under 5 seconds to half track is no easy task and second of all if your only at 90-95 mph at half track your not going to run anywhere near to 5 sec at half track...i ran 4.86 at 113 to half track and cs can kill me soooooo....well ill let you figure that one out for yourself!!!...and as far as the gps thing goes...ive ran 119 on gps and my boat is still slow where it counts...at the track.

[bp]

something wrong with that. why is it taking you 2 seconds to get up to 5 mph? is that turbo lag? i've got a better 0-7 second mph than you do... that can't be right... can it?
jetboatguru is right; you'd at least be leaving on a 7 (if not an 8), so figure 4 seconds before you cross the beam. you need to carry it out another couple seconds...

[BT273.]

What a boat runs at the track is what it runs at the TRACK. Most here run there boats at the river or lakes. An 8 sec timeslip means nothing at the river. And the track is for race boats.
Not baggin on the suggestion, I just don't see the point in comparring a boat that races on the river to one that races at the track.
Cool thing about the GPS is that you can get your data for the conditions you are in (such as out on the river).
Are you kiddin me jack ass? I thought that there was hope for you for awhile.
"an 8 second time slip means nothing" WOW

[cruser]

Given this data, someone who really cared could figure Unchained's speed at any distance from his starting point and also his elapsed time if needed.. This could be then translated into 1/4 mile performance. Requires a bit of work from someone who has messed with calculus more recently then me. My last time was about 30 years ago.
I MIGHT think about this a bit more and come up with something, MAYBE.

[Jetboatguru]

When I was in high school I always asked myself the question, "When would I ever need to use calculus?"
Well here it is! DAMN!
I can tell you that Unchained is in the mid nine second to low ten second range. If it were a rolling sart or a river start I think he might have something for CS19. No slam just a semi educated prediction.

[bp]

hey guru, nice tv coverage yesterday. looked more like the ts show than a drag race:cool:

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

When I was in high school I always asked myself the question, "When would I ever need to use calculus?"
Well here it is! DAMN!.
You know that all you asian's are good with mathematics:D

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

I bet guru has a TI-81 under the dash of the K-5 boat:crossx:

[Jetboatguru]

hey guru, nice tv coverage yesterday. looked more like the ts show than a drag race:cool:
Thanks BP. I can't believe I cranked all that info out. Congrats on your umpteenth championship
Spitter,
I can't even spell T1 whatever. I am ok if I can use my toes and fingers. Hey by the way do you have any calculators you may have stolen?:D :D

[steelcomp]

Thanks BP. I can't believe I cranked all that info out. Congrats on your umpteenth championship
Spitter,
I can't even spell T1 whatever. I am ok if I can use my toes and fingers. Hey by the way do you have any calculators you may have stolen? :D :D Sorry...can't help it...that JUST CRACKED ME UP!
CS...if you're still out there...are you still gaining speed at the 1/4?

[Jetboatguru]

Thanks Scott! I'm here all week.
Nice car you got there.

[QuickJet]

Are you kiddin me jack ass? I thought that there was hope for you for awhile.
"an 8 second time slip means nothing" WOW
Re-read my post. I said at the lake or river an 8 sec timeslip means jack shit and you know it. At the track it means alot, however on the lake/river a 9 sec boat can take out an 8 sec boat(seen it happen) My whole point is that CS19 wanted to compare two completely different boats by mearly posting timeslips. If that was how it was done there would be no side by side racing only paper comparisons.
If you want controlled and somewhat consistent conditions race at the track. Nothing against the track but I'm a lake boat guy and will never set foot at a track to race my boat, so why would I compare two boats via timeslips when I'll never have one?

[steelcomp]

Thanks Scott! I'm here all week.
Nice car you got there. Boat racer extraordinair...and stand up. Just don't go Kramer on us, K?
Tonight...JBG, live in the Hula Lounge. There will be a cover charge. :D
What car?...Oh, that one. I stole it.

[steelcomp]

Re-read my post. I said at the lake or river an 8 sec timeslip means jack shit and you know it. At the track it means alot, however on the lake/river a 9 sec boat can take out an 8 sec boat(seen it happen) My whole point is that CS19 wanted to compare two completely different boats by mearly posting timeslips. If that was how it was done there would be no side by side racing only paper comparisons.
If you want controlled and somewhat consistent conditions race at the track. Nothing against the track but I'm a lake boat guy and will never set foot at a track to race my boat, so why would I compare two boats via timeslips when I'll never have one?I think the comparison was just being made for the sake of conversation. Since the two boats are a country apart, the only real way to compare them is through some kind of simulation, and since Unchained was able to put together the graph, some kind of comparison could be made by computing a virtual timeslip. I don't think any of this was meant to truely prove anything. just more for entertainment of an idea of "what if". Nothing to get bent about. You'll have enough time to get bent on New Years when Nuthin smokes yer ass, and then I do. :D

[pattymelt18]

I think the comparison was just being made for the sake of conversation. Since the two boats are a country apart, the only real way to compare them is through some kind of simulation, and since Unchained was able to put together the graph, some kind of comparison could be made by computing a virtual timeslip. I don't think any of this was meant to truely prove anything. just more for entertainment of an idea of "what if". Nothing to get bent about. You'll have enough time to get bent on New Years when Nuthin smokes yer ass, and then I do. :D
u should be careful quickjet has the worlds fastest lake/river boat known to man.just wait hes gonna chime right in here and tell us all about it.

[QuickJet]

u should be careful quickjet has the worlds fastest lake/river boat known to man.just wait hes gonna chime right in here and tell us all about it.
Awww, how cute. Steelcomp actually has a couple FAST boats. What about you? You backin down? Never said I had a fast boat, just faster than YOU. You gonna swing on some nuts now or bring what you have?:(

[QuickJet]

I think the comparison was just being made for the sake of conversation. Since the two boats are a country apart, the only real way to compare them is through some kind of simulation, and since Unchained was able to put together the graph, some kind of comparison could be made by computing a virtual timeslip. I don't think any of this was meant to truely prove anything. just more for entertainment of an idea of "what if". Nothing to get bent about. You'll have enough time to get bent on New Years when Nuthin smokes yer ass, and then I do. :D
I understand that and that's why I said I wasn't baggin on the suggestion. I was trying to get the point across that comparring Chris's "track" times to unchained's "lake" data isn't a real comparison. Although Chris's boat hauls ass on the river, that thing is even more impressive at the track. Now comparring both ether at the track or both at the lake/river is a bit more ideal.
Oh and we'll see who walks away dry at CFW:D Should be fun.

[HaulinAss]

Not only is it cold there someone stole all the boat trailers!!!!
now thats some funny shit right there!

[HaulinAss]

My outside thermometer says 81 degrees! Brrrrrrr.
F U

[HaulinAss]

that's lakesonly getten kinda strange with his ford. :rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115120306_002.jpg
yeah I was wondering what the hell was going on

[Cs19]

Rolling start works for me.:)
Scott, its still making MPH but nothing serious, its been a while since I took a speed trace but I think its pretty much tapped at 3/4 track, bottle passes feel different, it feels like it never stops pulling but I dont have any speed data on that.. Daytona's need more race track to get up to speed than others, Ive seen other jets that are 100% tapped at the 1/8.:supp: Those are hard to beat on the river.
Pattymelt, got any plans for New Years? :idea:

[Unchained]

by your graph you would most likely be leaving on a 7 which is 3.5 seconds to the start line beams. At 3.5 seconds on your graph you are between 20 and 30 mph. Your time to the 1/8th would be approximately 5 seconds flat so add that to the 3.5 seconds and you get 8.5 seconds. On your graph, you would doing approx 90-95 mph. If you were to carry this all the way out you would be running somewhere in the mid to high 9 second range as I think I gave you the benefit on the 5.0 to the 1/8th. This should be fairly accurate.
I digress to your experience Tony but this info was not from a race.
I started at a dead idle and rolled into it slowly and didn't even have my foot to the floor until past the 3 sec point. So if I had idled for 6 more seconds before I hit it then my ET would have been 16 sec or so ?
If I crossed the start line at only 30 mph something would have been seriously wrong.
Whatever, anyone can think of it what they want.
As usual I have nothing to hide. I expected this, I'm a glutton for punishment.
Maybe it was because I had a dead cow dragging behind.
When I put up the video before most everyone assumed that I was crossing the start liine at 5 mph too. :rolleyes:

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Spitter,
I can't even spell T1 whatever. I am ok if I can use my toes and fingers. Hey by the way do you have any calculators you may have stolen?:D :D
Yup, Just in from your cousins shop. You should've seen his face..........
"hurrdy up and buy, we want no trouble"
:crossx::crossx:

[NUTHIN]

Awww, how cute. Steelcomp actually has a couple FAST boats. What about you? You backin down? Never said I had a fast boat, just faster than YOU. You gonna swing on some nuts now or bring what you have?:(
gotta love the bickerin. you gunna throw the 300 shot on it quick? not thinking your lake/river boat is the fastest, but Cole cash always seemed to hold its own, even without nos. but with the nos it should be interesting!!!!:supp: :supp: guess some will argue its still a slow ass boat for the lake/river :D

[bp]

I started at a dead idle and rolled into it slowly and didn't even have my foot to the floor until past the 3 sec point. So if I had idled for 6 more seconds before I hit it then my ET would have been 16 sec or so ? :
if you're suggesting using this method to compare your performance to another boat, both would have to launch the same way, or else it's still just a guess. yes, if you idle past the start line, your et will be slower:hammerhea
If I crossed the start line at only 30 mph something would have been seriously wrong. :
it's not that you "may" have tripped an "imaginary" beam at 30; it's more like, where did it start? and "rolling in to it" doesn't help at all.
I digress to your experience Tony but this info was not from a race. When I put up the video before most everyone assumed that I was crossing the start liine at 5 mph too. :rolleyes:
if it's not from a race, how could there be a starting line?
if you had an rpm trace on top of this curve, it would be very easy to see where you "started", and it's also relatively easy to approximate what you would do in the 1/4, or compare to another boat.
all guru is doing is making an educated approximation based on the information you provided.

[steelcomp]

all guru is doing is making an educated approximation based on the information you provided.Exactly...nothing personal. Only based on the data provided.

[QuickJet]

gotta love the bickerin. you gunna throw the 300 shot on it quick? not thinking your lake/river boat is the fastest, but Cole cash always seemed to hold its own, even without nos. but with the nos it should be interesting!!!!:supp: :supp: guess some will argue its still a slow ass boat for the lake/river :D
Oh I don't mind the bickering either, kinda par for the course I guess. Yup, CC will be strapped with the "Blue" insurance policy for NYD. That event seems to bring out some of the heavier hitters. Don't want to show up to a gun fight with a knife if yah know what I mean. Plus, without it we all know the damn thing won't even get out of it's own way;)

[BAE_557]

There is always that one thread that carries the board through the winter

[Jetboatguru]

I digress to your experience Tony but this info was not from a race.
I started at a dead idle and rolled into it slowly and didn't even have my foot to the floor until past the 3 sec point. So if I had idled for 6 more seconds before I hit it then my ET would have been 16 sec or so ?
If I crossed the start line at only 30 mph something would have been seriously wrong.
Whatever, anyone can think of it what they want.
As usual I have nothing to hide. I expected this, I'm a glutton for punishment.
Maybe it was because I had a dead cow dragging behind.
When I put up the video before most everyone assumed that I was crossing the start liine at 5 mph too. :rolleyes:
Unchained, please don't think I was slamming you or your boat. a lot of time tone gets lost or misread on the internet. I assumed (I know wrong thing to do) that your data was run during a race type of pass. Your numbers would be drastically different if you drove it to its peak efficiency. Since the clock doesn't start until you click the beam which is 125 feet ahead of you, your run up speed is critical. If you say that you were easing into the throttle then it is hard to calculate that graph into race type numbers. Still 116 in any boat is flying on the big end.

[pattymelt18]

Rolling start works for me.:)
Pattymelt, got any plans for New Years? :idea:
headn out to glamis i think but maybe go to the river not sure how bout you guys.

[bp]

Thanks BP. I can't believe I cranked all that info out. Congrats on your umpteenth championship
Spitter,
I can't even spell T1 whatever. I am ok if I can use my toes and fingers. Hey by the way do you have any calculators you may have stolen?:D :D
thank you very much guru. we'll have a good time in lv. congrats on yours too. it will be great to see your name added to the BIG trophy:D (is that thing bigger than you?) for a flatty kinda guy, that's got to be the epitome. 'course, not many here know what i'm talkin' about, but a lot of legendary names on that thing (mebbe that means you is one?). congrats again, that is truly a big deal!
btw, were any of those calculators green? :D :D

[bp]

There is always that one thread that carries the board through the winter
one can only hope.

[Jetboatguru]

Thanks Bob.
I would really like to see how Unchained's boat runs compared to CS19's. You don't see any turboed motors around and from what I have read he is very sharp with them. Thats what I love about the boating world, everyone has a unique setup.

[Taylorman]

Are efi turbo engines allowed in the NJBA?

[Jetboatguru]

Everything is allowed at NJBA!!

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Everything is allowed at NJBA!!
Including asians:p

[460 jus getn it]

Including asians:pDamn, i heard that slap all the way over here.......................................

[DEL51]

Anyone ever try to use one of the G-Force accelerometers on their boat? They are suppose to be mounted to the dash of a car.

[flat broke]

Anyone ever try to use one of the G-Force accelerometers on their boat? They are suppose to be mounted to the dash of a car.
The calculations for those devices assume the drag characteristics of a vehicle "rolling" on solid ground. The increased drag of a boat in water would make them useless for actual numbers. Then take into account how different hull designs interact with the water, and the tool would be even more out of whack...
But since in essence it is just an accelerometer, you could use the device to tell you if changes you have made to YOUR boat were worth anything. Though the actuall MPH and projected ETs would be inaccurate; you would be able to track the net change between your baseline and the new data to see if your changes were worthwhile. The downside is that you wouldn't really be able to correlate data with other racers as you could using a standard data acquisition setup.
If you wanted a cheaper way to guestimate 1/4 mile performance etc, your better bet would probalby be to find a meaningful way to data mine the .gpx or whatever files your GPS produces for "tracks" and see if you could break speeds out of distances between updates. For instance, if you had time at point A, a time at point B, and the distance in between, you know how fast the boat went (this is how GPS tells you your speed). If you could reference a string of points along a constant timeline from the data, I'd think you could get some decent acceleration profiles. The only problem is that you wouldn't have a reference to engine RPM to correlate with that data. But for just seeing how fast the boat went in a certain time period, how quickly it accelerated through a certain distance etc, it could be useful. No it's no replacement for running a measured quarter mile with the data a timeslip can give you; but it is another way to quantify the performance of your boat/setup.
Chris

[Clockstart]

No it's no replacement for running a measured quarter mile with the data a timeslip can give you; but it is another way to quantify the performance of your boat/setup.A savy Hot Boater can run a data acq system (like Qwikdata) with a speed sensor. If I can remember my calculus & physics, speed or velocity = acceleration x time. Acceleration (a) = dv/dt. If you were to import your speed data into a spreadsheet, you could easily calculate dv/dt AND graph the speed and acceleration of the boat.
Since the position of the boat (s) = the integral of the speed, one could integrate the speed data and find the boat's position at any point in time. Now your spreadsheet shows you accel, speed and position. Just look at position = 1445ft (1320+125ft) and you see your Qmile performance. You can get all your performance info even if there aren't any clocks available. If anyone thinks racers aren't doing this stuff allready, they could be still living in the world of magnetos and flat tappet cams.

[Unchained]

Unchained, please don't think I was slamming you or your boat. a lot of time tone gets lost or misread on the internet. I assumed (I know wrong thing to do) that your data was run during a race type of pass. Your numbers would be drastically different if you drove it to its peak efficiency. Since the clock doesn't start until you click the beam which is 125 feet ahead of you, your run up speed is critical. If you say that you were easing into the throttle then it is hard to calculate that graph into race type numbers. Still 116 in any boat is flying on the big end.
No offense taken and none intended by me saying that neither you or anyone else on this board has what it takes to insult me. I'm just here for the fun and I have nothing to prove to anyone other than myself. I try to offer info if I think someone else can use it and I take what I can use from others info too.
I will say that, If I REALLY wanted to race someone and thought it would be close, I'd crank the boost up to the stratospheric level and apply the biggest possible hammer.......You know......kind of the way BAE557 does it.

[blue wonder]

No offense taken and none intended by me saying that neither you or anyone else on this board has what it takes to insult me. I'm just here for the fun and I have nothing to prove to anyone other than myself. I try to offer info if I think someone else can use it and I take what I can use from others info too.
I will say that, If I REALLY wanted to race someone and thought it would be close, I'd crank the boost up to the stratospheric level and apply the biggest possible hammer.......You know......kind of the way BAE557 does it.
well its nice to see someone who doesnt take things personal on here:) im always all fun and games but some people take it to the heart...i probably got one of the slowest boats around but its still fun to stir the pot from time to time!!!!

[Jetboatguru]

Including asians:p
NICE!!!!
Touche!:D

[Cs19]

well its nice to see someone who doesnt take things personal on here:) im always all fun and games but some people take it to the heart...i probably got one of the slowest boats around but its still fun to stir the pot from time to time!!!!
Exactly!! Its only entertainment but its a great place to find a race or 2. :)

[Cs19]

I will say that, If I REALLY wanted to race someone and thought it would be close, I'd crank the boost up to the stratospheric level and apply the biggest possible hammer.......You know......kind of the way BAE557 does it.
Id be doing the same thing with the nitrous jets. :)

[steelcomp]

Id be doing the same thing with the nitrous jets. :)Chris...haul that thing up to CFW on NYD.
Looks like I'm headin that way.

[flat broke]

A savy Hot Boater can run a data acq system (like Qwikdata) with a speed sensor. If I can remember my calculus & physics, speed or velocity = acceleration x time. Acceleration (a) = dv/dt. If you were to import your speed data into a spreadsheet, you could easily calculate dv/dt AND graph the speed and acceleration of the boat.
Since the position of the boat (s) = the integral of the speed, one could integrate the speed data and find the boat's position at any point in time. Now your spreadsheet shows you accel, speed and position. Just look at position = 1445ft (1320+125ft) and you see your Qmile performance. You can get all your performance info even if there aren't any clocks available. If anyone thinks racers aren't doing this stuff allready, they could be still living in the world of magnetos and flat tappet cams.
I agree 100% that if you have a DA system, the possibilities are only limited by the inputs/sensors and your ability to use math the harvest the desired information. I was talking about expounding upon information in a GPS output file to give you some of that information. Unfortunately due to the update times of the GPS, its not going to be anywhere near as insightful or accurate as what you'd get off a true DA setup. But for the weekend boat nerd, a hundred bucks and some time in excell and a text editing program and you'd get better information than what you're buddy holding a GPS and watching a stopwatch can give you. ;)
Chris

[BAE_557]

Chris...haul that thing up to CFW on NYD.
Looks like I'm headin that way.
You two guys planning on lining up?

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Exactly!! Its only entertainment but its a great place to find a race or 2. :)
Stop picking on the lil guys:p

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

You two guys planning on lining up?
When are you going to run that monster of your? That boat is insane!!!:220v:

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Id be doing the same thing with the nitrous jets. :)
How much more do you need?? 1049hp plus 400 shot! How much more do you want chris? Your ride is already stoooopid fast!

[steelcomp]

You two guys planning on lining up?Naw...no contest. His boat was faster with the same power. I might get into the 9.40-9.50 range when I get this thing dialed...he's running 9 oh's and quicker on motor. Just be good to see the boat run up there.

[BAE_557]

If anyone thinks racers aren't doing this stuff allready, they could be still living in the world of magnetos and flat tappet cams.
Magnetos are now old school, do you know something that the TFH / TAH guys should know?
I wonder if they got the memo regarding the use of flat tappet cams?

[BAE_557]

When are you going to run that monster of your? That boat is insane!!!:220v:
Not really sure when, I have been trying to work out a few things.

[pattymelt18]

If anyone thinks racers aren't doing this stuff allready, they could be still living in the world of magnetos and flat tappet cams.[/QUOTE]
I have a flat tappet cam and use ran mag for years im appauled.j/k

[jweeks123]

I have a flat tappet cam and ran mag for years. im appauled.j/k
wow! my hat's off to a guy who can admit his defficiencies. :)
jw

[DEL51]

A savy Hot Boater can run a data acq system (like Qwikdata) with a speed sensor. If I can remember my calculus & physics, speed or velocity = acceleration x time. Acceleration (a) = dv/dt. If you were to import your speed data into a spreadsheet, you could easily calculate dv/dt AND graph the speed and acceleration of the boat.
Since the position of the boat (s) = the integral of the speed, one could integrate the speed data and find the boat's position at any point in time. Now your spreadsheet shows you accel, speed and position. Just look at position = 1445ft (1320+125ft) and you see your Qmile performance. You can get all your performance info even if there aren't any clocks available. If anyone thinks racers aren't doing this stuff allready, they could be still living in the world of magnetos and flat tappet cams.
OK, It wouldn't work. I May have seen you underneath a jacket at firebird, 3 time champ for your class? Way Kool!

[DEL51]

No offense taken and none intended by me saying that neither you or anyone else on this board has what it takes to insult me. I'm just here for the fun and I have nothing to prove to anyone other than myself. I try to offer info if I think someone else can use it and I take what I can use from others info too.
I will say that, If I REALLY wanted to race someone and thought it would be close, I'd crank the boost up to the stratospheric level and apply the biggest possible hammer.......You know......kind of the way BAE557 does it.
In the Dark Alley of jet/Lake racers I would want you and cyclone right beside me, and CS19 would be 20 ft in front with his single carb Daytona. With a carb. Mark, your boat is the lake king but the 418 is best all around Lake/drag boat I saw at the races. No center steer and cup holders. I think Marks engine with Chris's hull and set up would be interesting. :mix:

[Unchained]

In the Dark Alley of jet/Lake racers I would want you and cyclone right beside me, and CS19 would be 20 ft in front with his single carb Daytona. With a carb. Mark, your boat is the lake king but the 418 is best all around Lake/drag boat I saw at the races. No center steer and cup holders. I think Marks engine with Chris's hull and set up would be interesting. :mix:
Too bad you never seen my boat Chris.
What did Flattie say about that ride I took him on ?
CS19 most certainly knows way more about drag boat setup than I do, although he can't put enough nitrous to it to get to the HP level that I can with Turbo's.
And for yet another trivia question that fits in here well..... What was the famous saying that Walter Brennan always repeated from the TV show "The guns of Will Sonnett" ?

[Jetboatguru]

Too bad you never seen my boat Chris.
What did Flattie say about that ride I took him on ?
CS19 most certainly knows way more about drag boat setup than I do, although he can't put enough nitrous to it to get to the HP level that I can with Turbo's.
And for yet another trivia question that fits in here well..... What was the famous saying that Walter Brennan always repeated from the TV show "The guns of Will Sonnett" ?
No Brag, just fact!

[Cs19]

How much more do you need?? 1049hp plus 400 shot! How much more do you want chris? Your ride is already stoooopid fast!
LOL.. i dont have a 400 shot..Im just running enough squeeze to hold off the Red Dragon. Got him by .1 this season so everything went as planned.
:hammerhea
Steel, Id be all over CFW if one of the socal guys would head up with me. HINT HINT.. the weather has been nice enough.

[pattymelt18]

LOL.. i dont have a 400 shot..Im just running enough squeeze to hold off the Red Dragon. Got him by .1 this season so everything went as planned.
:hammerhea
Steel, Id be all over CFW is one of the socal guys would head up with me, the weather has been nice enough.
cs, hows you guys doing on jordans boat?

[Cs19]

How much power can that engine make Unchained? Lets be realistic please.

[Cs19]

cs, hows you guys doing on jordans boat?
Its going good, we only ran it the one time, got alot of little things to fix before it runs again, it should be running by the New Year and should be dialed by Spring.
Been workin' on the CP? How did it do after the F'bird water?

[Cs19]

In the Dark Alley of jet/Lake racers I would want you and cyclone right beside me, and CS19 would be 20 ft in front with his single carb Daytona. With a carb. Mark, your boat is the lake king but the 418 is best all around Lake/drag boat I saw at the races. No center steer and cup holders. I think Marks engine with Chris's hull and set up would be interesting. :mix:
Thanks DEL. It was great seeing you guys. After those numbers your boat turned I think your boat is a top contender. Youve come a long way dont stop now.:mix:

[Taylorman]

How much power can that engine make Unchained? Lets be realistic please.
I remember reading 1600 hp in another thread.

[pattymelt18]

Been workin' on the CP? How did it do after the F'bird water?
good went to the river for easter did a grate change i think it was like 50 degrees it was fun .showed my dad how the launch controller works had fun.but other than that boats just chiilin to march then get after it. u guys going out to glamis for new years?

[bp]

And for yet another trivia question that fits in here well..... What was the famous saying that Walter Brennan always repeated from the TV show "The guns of Will Sonnett" ?
ok, since guru got that one right...
why is the cold water always on the left, and the hot on the right?:confused:

[Unchained]

How much power can that engine make Unchained? Lets be realistic please.
Nobody would believe any projections I made so I'll keep them to myself but each additional # of boost adds 8 - 10% more torque.
With EFI the hp can be calculated pretty accurately because you have the exact milliseconds of injector timing and also plug in the O2 content of the exhaust to show what came out the pipe. Here's what I run now. Let the flames begin.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/220hpcalcs.jpg
Jetboatguru, did you know that answer or did you search it out on the internet ? There's no way you ever saw that show.
BP probably seen the show.

[DEL51]

Nobody would believe any projections I made so I'll keep them to myself but each additional # of boost adds 8 - 10% more torque.
With EFI the hp can be calculated pretty accurately because you have the exact milliseconds of injector timing and also plug in the O2 content of the exhaust to show what came out the pipe. Here's what I run now. Let the flames begin.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/220hpcalcs.jpg
Jetboatguru, did you know that answer or did you search it out on the internet ? There's no way you ever saw that show.
BP probably seen the show.
I would believe the numbers. go to nelsonracingengines.com

[stoker2001]

Steel, Id be all over CFW if one of the socal guys would head up with me. HINT HINT.. the weather has been nice enough.Maybe down there:cry: i live 40 minutes from CFW and its been pouring for what seems like a week now:( Good thing is that mud puddle they call CFW might get some aqua

[Jetboatguru]

Jetboatguru, did you know that answer or did you search it out on the internet ? There's no way you ever saw that show.
BP probably seen the show.
Mark, I cheated:(

[BOOGEYMAN]

Nelson makes some great engines for turbo set up's!! My buddy Ken has a 418 inch small block ford with a pair of 88's that Schmidt built him that makes over 2200 at the crank, if you want reliable hp that dosent beat up parts like other power adders then go turbo. car weighs 3165 and runs 7.02 @196 not even leaning on it that hard.(at about 1800 hp for those numbers) So with another 400 hp on tap and some chassis tuning to do it could be a 6.70 car with the wick turned up.
it is is this car. this pic had the old 704 nitrous set up in it(notice the scoop)

[Jetboatguru]

http://***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20896&d=1165983349

[BOOGEYMAN]

Thanks, to bad I dont have an updated pic on my computer of the set up. Very clean and simple. Not trying to jack a thread just putting my 2 cents in on my turbo expierences.
Travis.

[steelcomp]

How much power can that engine make Unchained? Lets be realistic please.Purely a function of boost and fuel...if it can stay together, 2K isn't unrealistic. Remember the Offy 4 cyl? No cyl head gasket or bolts...the head and cyl were one piece...that little motor would take all the boost you could give it...I think it's why they finally outlawed it.
I built a Buick Stg III V6 for a Bonneville guy...dynoed it at Duttweiler's shop.
(Basicaly an Illmore motor...had one of Scott Brayton's Indy turbo's on it) ultimately made 1008hp. I think it was pushing 40lbs of boost.

[Cs19]

Nobody would believe any projections I made so I'll keep them to myself but each additional # of boost adds 8 - 10% more torque.
1400 HP? I believe that. So how is the set up on the boat? With that kind of HP the set up could not have come to you easily.

[pattymelt18]

1400 HP? I believe that. So how is the set up on the boat? With that kind of HP the set up could not have come to you easily.
ibelieve with this kind of power he should even be able to give hicks a run for his money.:mix:

[Cs19]

if it can stay together, 2K isn't unrealistic..
Thats kind of what I was getting at.. How much HP can he make while still having a fairly safe tune up. I could easily run mulitple stages of N20 and see 2k, but thats not realistic for what we are doing here. Well I cant speak for everbody but its not for me.
Nobody in their right mind goes out in a jetboat with a tune up that is that close to the edge and hangs it out there. There is no coasting to a stop after the thing decides to self destruct.

[Cs19]

ibelieve with this kind of power he should even be able to give hicks a run for his money.:mix:
:mix:
We might do Glamis, last New Years we did the river for 2 days and Glamis for 1, that was a fun weekend.

[steelcomp]

Thats kind of what I was getting at.. How much HP can he make while still having a fairly safe tune up. I could easily run mulitple stages of N20 and see 2k, but thats not realistic for what we are doing here. Well I cant speak for everbody but its not for me.
Nobody in their right mind goes out in a jetboat with a tune up that is that close to the edge and hangs it out there. There is no coasting to a stop after the thing decides to self destruct.Chris...you're relying on atmospheric pressure to feed your motor, no matter how much nitrous you run. I don't think you'd ever see 2K, especially on pump gas. Not dissin you're deal, just no comparison for a pair of turbo's. For true HP potential, that's as good as it gets.
As far as being on the edge of a tune up and hangin it out there...I don't think anyone ever wants to blow up a motor...motors blow up for lots of reasons, but if you want to win, you gotta hang it out there. I'm not talkin brackets, either. You're way more on the edge than many...more than you think...every run you make. (1K+ motors on nitrous don't last forever)

[UBFJ #454]

Scott -
You said: "you're relying on atmospheric pressure to feed your motor, no matter how much nitrous you run."
Not true my friend ... a nitrous motor accomplishes the same thing as a blower or a turbo on a motor in terms of getting more air (oxygen) into the combustion chambers, it's just a different delivery system. It effectively 'over comes (increases)' atmospheric pressure in the chambers, the same as a blower or turbo does. Increasing the amount of n2o injected into a nitrous motor is equivalent to increasing the 'Boost' on a blower or, turbo motor.
Remember, use of n2o on motors was originally developed by the Germans in early WW II for use on fighters so they could fly at higher altitudes were the atmospheric pressure is considerably lower.
Another thing, the way Ebbert designed Chris' motor and with the high quality parts that are in it, it's no where near being run out 'on the edge' ... Also, I don't think that even when he does run n2o, he holds it on for the full 1/4 Mile ... If I'm not mistaken, I believe the motor has had a 400 Shot put to it on the Dyno and it did fine ... For that motor, I'd say if Chris started running 400 or more shots thru the full 1/4, he'd be starting out on 'The Edge' ... Something I don't believe is advisable in that Daytona Hull due to their tendency 'to Blow Over' with moderately higher Hp.
I do agree though that eventually, like any motor that's Raced, it will have to be 'ReFreshed' which may include new pistons, rings, valve springs, lifters, rocker arm rebuilding, valve job, alignment boring, etc..
Not being argumentative, just pointing out some things.

[pattymelt18]

:mix:
We might do Glamis, last New Years we did the river for 2 days and Glamis for 1, that was a fun weekend.
well if you roll out there let me know we will meet up for sure.if not lets just meet up for a little holiday partying."in red cups of course"

[Cs19]

Chris...you're relying on atmospheric pressure to feed your motor, no matter how much nitrous you run. I don't think you'd ever see 2K, especially on pump gas.
Pump gas has nothing to do with it, you can't go hit the button runing 91 octane anyways. Trust me, 2k is doable but not realistic for my application. The car guys run 3-4 stages and see a 1k-1200 hp hit of nitrous no problem.I read about that stuff everyday on the nitrous forums. Here is a quote from Robert Lane @ Fast Lane Nitrous....
When all three stages are activated they are at the 1000-1050 hp level. I have one currently at my place for a quick 8 car and it will produce around 1060 additional horsepower with all three systems. The top cars in the class are around 1250-1300 hp worth of nitrous..On a side note: I have some customers that run in stock suspension drag radial classes that are spraying 675- 700 hp with just two-stages.I have a customer that was running Pro/NMCA Extreme Street this past season that they "thought" was cheating due to his very high mph. He was spraying around 650-675 with a single stage. (He was not cheating, he just was not afraid to spray it)

[Cs19]

well if you roll out there let me know we will meet up for sure.if not lets just meet up for a little holiday partying."in red cups of course"
Will do.:)

[blue wonder]

ibelieve with this kind of power he should even be able to give hicks a run for his money.:mix:
hey everyone has to have hopes and dreams...at least thats mine for next year...well at least be close enough to read the sponsor stickers on the transom:)

[Unchained]

1400 HP? I believe that. So how is the set up on the boat? With that kind of HP the set up could not have come to you easily.
What setup? I spent my time tuning on the motor but not much setting up other things. :cool: I think I changed the ride plate angle once last year and the nozzle angle once a couple summers ago. I disconnected the wire to the hyd diverter because I hit it once while raised up to make a big roostertail and I though the boat was going to flip over at 60 mph.:2purples:
Nearly left a spot on the front seat.
I checked the bowl pressure once last spring and it was around 380#.
What am I looking for ? who knows.
Chris, you must have accumulated all kinds of data by now, enlighten me, what speed do you cross the start line at ?
What speed are you at the 1/8 mi. ?
What ET at the 1/8?
Am I the only guy who can put up data ?
Let see a graph with the accelleration curve on it. :wink:

[AZKC]

Holy Bejezmus:supp:
When all three stages are activated they are at the 1000-1050 hp level. I have one currently at my place for a quick 8 car and it will produce around 1060 additional horsepower with all three systems. The top cars in the class are around 1250-1300 hp worth of nitrous..On a side note: I have some customers that run in stock suspension drag radial classes that are spraying 675- 700 hp with just two-stages.I have a customer that was running Pro/NMCA Extreme Street this past season that they "thought" was cheating due to his very high mph. He was spraying around 650-675 with a single stage. (He was not cheating, he just was not afraid to spray it)

[BOOGEYMAN]

Pump gas has nothing to do with it, you can't go hit the button runing 91 octane anyways. Trust me, 2k is doable but not realistic for my application. The car guys run 3-4 stages and see a 1k-1200 hp hit of nitrous no problem.I read about that stuff everyday on the nitrous forums. Here is a quote from Robert Lane @ Fast Lane Nitrous....
I sure hope you are not taking tuning tips from Robert Lane!!!! As much as you have been on Monty's site you should know he is a joke.

[Unchained]

I would still like to run some of your guys motors in an aluminum tunnel.
I love aluminum. If someone made a 21' picklefork aluminum hull that looked as good as my Daytona I'd be first in line to get one.
But then I'd have to think REAL hard about what kind of drive I wanted to put in it. :idea: LOL

[bp]

ibelieve with this kind of power he should even be able to give hicks a run for his money.:mix:
perhaps in lullaby land... :)

[Jetboatguru]

perhaps in lullaby land... :)
I love all the little swipes that are thrown in this thread. Lets look at a few harmless digs.
Chris, you must have accumulated all kinds of data by now, enlighten me, what speed do you cross the start line at ?
Or who can dispute this beauty
Trust me, 2k is doable but not realistic for my application.
How about
[/QUOTE]Nobody in their right mind goes out in a jetboat with a tune up that is that close to the edge and hangs it out there. [/QUOTE]
This one stung a little
$500 says there is more than 1 single carbed boat here in cali that will put the hurt on that Michigan turbo boat
Thats just fanastic Unchained,
Jesus do you always have to be a dick? someday you will learn there is always someone faster then you.
There are more but I just threw out a few. I am glad I'm not the type of guy to sling shit. It's just not in the holiday spirit.:D

[Cs19]

I sure hope you are not taking tuning tips from Robert Lane!!!! As much as you have been on Monty's site you should know he is a joke.
Whats up Boogey. No Ive never spoken to him, just read some of his posts.. Monty is the man, I check his stuff daily and he gave me all kinds of advice earlier this year. That guy Mike Canter seems to have a handle on things as well, he has a site that it pretty active, some cool threads to read. He used to run a nitrous pro mod car but recently switched to blown, seems that was the way to go this year, hopefully there will be a rule change for next season so the nitrous guys can atleast make the show.:confused:

[pattymelt18]

perhaps in lullaby land... :)
bp congrats again on the championship. i know nobodys catching jerry then again its the internet its all in good fun.

[QuickJet]

There are more but I just threw out a few. I am glad I'm not the type of guy to sling shit. It's just not in the holiday spirit.:D
:D ha ha ha. Now that's some funny shit.!

[Cs19]

Chris, you must have accumulated all kinds of data by now, enlighten me, what speed do you cross the start line at ?
What speed are you at the 1/8 mi. ?
What ET at the 1/8?
Am I the only guy who can put up data ?
Let see a graph with the accelleration curve on it. :wink:
Mark, Ive got hundreds of data files but I generally dont run a pitot tube unless Im testing stuff so I dont have any speed graphs on this combination, otherwise Id post one. I probably have stuff from my old combination but it would take forever to find.
Maybe I can answer some of your questions based on what Ive seen on time slips, keep in mind only IHBA gives you 1/8th MPH.
My best 1/8th was 114 with my 496 on the bottle..The 565 might do better but I havent squeezed it to the 1/8 since Im trying to bracket race.
It runs low 4.50s to the 1/8 at Ming, best 1/4 et is 8.30, best 1/4 MPH is 129.

[Cs19]

I love all the little swipes that are thrown in this thread. Lets look at a few harmless digs
Ah, there just harmless digs.
This is by far the best thread on HB. Well i did read that swinger thread with EZKILLER2006 or whatever her name was, that was some quality stuf there.LMAO

[lil man wayne]

You kids still arguing about who is faster.:argue: :hammerhea
Must really be winter here at home there is snow already:cry:

[Unchained]

Maybe I can answer some of your questions based on what Ive seen on time slips, keep in mind only IHBA gives you 1/8th MPH.
It runs low 4.50s to the 1/8 at Ming, best 1/4 et is 8.30, best 1/4 MPH is 129.
That's pretty impressive, I don't think my rigs up to that with a full interior and the two gas tanks I run. I'm carrying over 200# more weight around than your stripped down setup.
I don't think anyone would dispute what the Stealth hull is capable of. Just not with me adjusting ( or not adjusting) things.
I was under the impression you ran the 9.0 class. I know I'll run faster than that.
I'd really like to know approximately what speed you are crossing the start line at. Then I can plug that into my graph and have a comparison.

[Taylorman]

My best 1/8th was 114 with my 496 on the bottle..The 565 might do better but I havent squeezed it to the 1/8 since Im trying to bracket race.
It runs low 4.50s to the 1/8 at Ming, best 1/4 et is 8.30, best 1/4 MPH is 129.
WOW thats impressive. I didn't realize your boat was that fast. Im curious what you think you can get your et down to with your current setup? Whats the fastest you can run without a capsule?

[Cs19]

WOW thats impressive. I didn't realize your boat was that fast. Im curious what you think you can get your et down to with your current setup? Whats the fastest you can run without a capsule?
Thanks Taylorman. Id like to get a few tenths quicker, dont want any more MPH. IHBA only will allow 7.70 in an open boat, NJBA has a mph rule, 145MPH? Im nowhere near needing a capsule. LOL

[Taylorman]

Thanks Taylorman. Id like to get a few tenths quicker, dont want any more MPH. IHBA only will allow 7.70 in an open boat, NJBA has a mph rule, 145MPH? Im nowhere near needing a capsule. LOL
Wow thats moving, that would put you at or below an 8 second ride. Is that 8.30 a full N2O pass with the new motor?

[bp]

I'd really like to know approximately what speed you are crossing the start line at. Then I can plug that into my graph and have a comparison.
just a wag, most likely between 50-60.
guru, glad your sportin' the holiday spirit. i fully agree, you're not the type of person to sling do-do.. happy holidays!:)

[Unchained]

just a wag, most likely between 50-60.
A piece of information !!!!! I'm flummoxed. Thanks Bob.
One of the points on my chart is 55 mph. If I add 5 sec to that it puts me at 112 mph. Maybe that might be near my 1/8 mi point. ???
If I continued that speed through the remainder of a 1/4 mile course (116fps) it would take 3.95 sec, added to 5 sec puts me at 8.95 sec
If I topped out at 125 (183fps) in the 1/4 and took the difference between the 1/8 mi speed and the estimated 1/4 mi speed then my et would be at 8.6.
I estimated the boat would run 8.7 in lake trim.
That coincides with a couple videos I've got too.
Here's running an outboard powered friend on a course we measured out.
He got a little jump on me because I was asleep as usual.
We idled into 125' from a start line point which was a couple sticks on the shore.
I have the same run in a video from in the boat and from on the shore.
The camera man was right at the 1/8 mi point.
On shore:
http://www.childsdale-ind-prop.com/UnchvsDrag120.mpg
You can hear the engine rpm drop right past the camera mans spot.
In boat:
http://www.childsdale-ind-prop.com/unchvstomsboat.MPG
I really love the sound of the turbo's spooling up.
You can see the boost gauge and the tach drop at 110 but the GPS still went to 113.8
There approx a 1 sec lag in the GPS update.
Since we raced he blew his Seabold capsule boat over at 110 + and the boat now resembles an old "Dave Clark Five" song from the 1960's (trivia)
This thread was dying on the vine and now we have something more for everyone to analyze how slow it is and how incorrect the GPS is. :p
Since this thread has been going an experienced midwest racer who I trust has called me and proposed to tune the pump/hull more and run the race circuit with it.
Still having fun,
Mark :)

[Cs19]

A piece of information !!!!! I'm flummoxed. Thanks Bob
hope your not implying that Im stingy about information, I gave you everything I could including my race weight.

[Unchained]

hope your not implying that Im stingy about information, I gave you everything I could including my race weight.
And I never relayed your exact boat weight to anyone else as you requested last year. I just had to stir a little.
It seems to me that times and speeds could/would be better tracked using some of them there new fangled lectronics.
I never hear of any racers tracking their boats performance with a GPS.
For all the talk I read about datalogging equipment I never hear of anyone besides me that has datalogged their A/F ratio. It's the MOST important piece of engine information.
A good dose of Y2K would help improve the sport here.
The individual who proposed to campaign the boat is committed to prove a point about EFI and turbos. I am too but don't want to spend a lot of time on it. Since I've got another recreational boat maybe I can do without the Stealth for the summer. I think I have a good handle on the engine tuning and I could still do that but I don't want to drive it. It's a diminishing kahones thing.

[bp]

i felt all along you would be between 8.50-9.0. the challenge would be in getting it to low 8s.
a/f is nice to have, as is speed/time. i have speed/time. what's most important? i know what very few things are most important for -me- to look at, but that information could be different for different folks.
half track numbers rounded off to a whole second is no help. whatever is being used; gps, pito, whatever, it needs to be able to read out in hundredths to be useful. that's important stuff, and essential if you're in the brackets.

[DEL51]

I have a bent pito, oops,wrong forum. I think that turbo setup needs a couple of carbs. That will slow you down enough and allow for longer rides with your foot buried in it.J/K. I always enjoy those video's. I guess we may see the lighter version with some hull tuning this summer. Could be interesting. How much lighter is the arias block vs a Dart iron?

[DEL51]

Mark, I was wondering if you change your fuel curves to match an ethanol or oxygenated fuel. Is it a pump has deal on 20 psi?

[Unchained]

Chris,
I've run it on premium pump gas a lot, about 12# boost is max on pump gas.
I'll run it that way on a rough lake where there is not much chance of going fast anyways, Like at Torch lake in upper Mi.
I usually run 110 octane in it and have it set to put 20# boost to it.
I never want to get in a situation where someone calls you out and you have a lame excuse like "I've just got pump gas now, but if I had race gas......"
I have the O2 sensor going all the time and monitor the A/F ratio.
There is a dial mounted right in front of the seat and I can fine tune the mixture by a couple % at any time. I'm totally spoiled by the tunability of the EFI system.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/220InnovateO2sensor.JPG
Where I boat all the fast guy regulars are outboards and I've got plenty to stay in front of them. I wish some other fast jets or v drive guys would be on the water, like the west coasters, but it seems they all leave the boat home in the garage without any mufflers, call it a race boat, and just talk about it. :rolleyes:
I've got a spare set of turbo headers here.
I'll lend them to you for a season and you can go for it.
Warning, you'll be spoiled for life.
Mark

[FILUCKY]

What kind of O2 sencer are ya running with race gas? I would like to run one but i've been told that the leaded race gas will mess up the O2 sencer.:(

[HotRod Sprint]

It's a diminishing kahones thing.
Just take a few of those little purple pills like the guy in your avatar, that should enlarge them enough :D
Rod

[Unchained]

What kind of O2 sencer are ya running with race gas? I would like to run one but i've been told that the leaded race gas will mess up the O2 sencer.:(
It's a Bosch sensor. The leaded fuel does eventually mess them up but it takes about 20 hrs. They last longer when the mixture is closer to Stoich. A rich mixture will kill them faster.

[FILUCKY]

Thanks:)

[DEL51]

Chris,
I've run it on premium pump gas a lot, about 12# boost is max on pump gas.
I'll run it that way on a rough lake where there is not much chance of going fast anyways, Like at Torch lake in upper Mi.
I usually run 110 octane in it and have it set to put 20# boost to it.
I never want to get in a situation where someone calls you out and you have a lame excuse like "I've just got pump gas now, but if I had race gas......"
I have the O2 sensor going all the time and monitor the A/F ratio.
There is a dial mounted right in front of the seat and I can fine tune the mixture by a couple % at any time. I'm totally spoiled by the tunability of the EFI system.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/220InnovateO2sensor.JPG
Where I boat all the fast guy regulars are outboards and I've got plenty to stay in front of them. I wish some other fast jets or v drive guys would be on the water, like the west coasters, but it seems they all leave the boat home in the garage without any mufflers, call it a race boat, and just talk about it. :rolleyes:
I've got a spare set of turbo headers here.
I'll lend them to you for a season and you can go for it.
Warning, you'll be spoiled for life.
Mark
I re ringed the motor/new bearings and aluminum heads. No jack left for any significant changes. I topped out at a legit 117 this year and should get more. In my opinion the prices of things related to your system will come down in the future. Having fun anyway. Thru transome ex saved me a few tickets last yr.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Bump because its still winter;)

[squirt'nmyload]

Bump because its still winter;)
it may be winter but i'm still goin to saguaro tomorrow:D :D

[67weimann]

it may be winter but i'm still goin to saguaro tomorrow:D :D
Watch out for all the focking debris that will be there after the rain...

[squirt'nmyload]

Watch out for all the focking debris that will be there after the rain...
ended up not goin.....fockin rain....err i mean SNOW....lol