So what's next?

[HighRoller]

Now that the "Iraq Surrender Group" has done the dirty work of those who have no balls(congress), what's next? I've been watching the past month very closely because it seems as if the situation is becoming clear. Something is going on behind the scenes, some kind of agenda that is causing events to happen. For example, the idea that we should talk to Iran and Syria about Iraq was an idea that makes absolutely no sense, yet it spread like wildfire through the capital and the media and was met with almost unanimous acceptance. Then Robert Gates sails through confirmation in about 30 seconds. Where was the usual grandstanding and character assasination from the opposition?
I'm starting to think that Iran may already have the bomb and they are blackmailing us in private. Iraq might have just become a convenient excuse to talk with them, because there sure as hell isn't any other good reason. My other guess is that the whole shuffling process of Rummsfeld, Bolton and Gates and the Iran recommendation is a ploy to get the UN into the mix. Bolton and Rumsfeld weren't "playing ball" with all the other appeasers so they had to go. Now the skids have been greased for all out diplomacy and the UN can ride to the rescue once again...God help us.
The most disturbing thing is watching Bush go along with all this crap. He lost my support long ago due to his non-action on immigration. Now when he should be standing up for Bolton or telling the Iraq group to F off he's wavering. This shows that after all the hard talk he's just another politician out to save his own skin. He has also basically bent over and told the Dems that he's ready for them to shove their amnesty plan up his ass and he'll take it with a smile. Now that the recalcitrant Republican house has been disposed of, there's no obstacle to impede the progress of the "North American Union" machine. Soon, like Iraq, the American immigration problem will be deemed a "quagmire" and that the only solution will be open borders in North America. Can you say "consolidation"? First the European Union, then us. What next? How long until the "one world government" crowd makes its big move? Anyone who knows the truth about Hilary knows she is a one world/socialist type. Will her election as Prez kick off the real party? And is Iran a part of it? After all, Ahmidinijad did say that soon he will "BURN A MARK OF SHAME INTO THE FOREHEADS OF THE UNBELIEVERS". Sound familiar?
Sorry to sound like a conspiracy nut, but all the crap happening doesn't add up lately from a common sense point of view.

[Blown 472]

Now that the "Iraq Surrender Group" has done the dirty work of those who have no balls(congress), what's next? I've been watching the past month very closely because it seems as if the situation is becoming clear. Something is going on behind the scenes, some kind of agenda that is causing events to happen. For example, the idea that we should talk to Iran and Syria about Iraq was an idea that makes absolutely no sense, yet it spread like wildfire through the capital and the media and was met with almost unanimous acceptance. Then Robert Gates sails through confirmation in about 30 seconds. Where was the usual grandstanding and character assasination from the opposition?
I'm starting to think that Iran may already have the bomb and they are blackmailing us in private. Iraq might have just become a convenient excuse to talk with them, because there sure as hell isn't any other good reason. My other guess is that the whole shuffling process of Rummsfeld, Bolton and Gates and the Iran recommendation is a ploy to get the UN into the mix. Bolton and Rumsfeld weren't "playing ball" with all the other appeasers so they had to go. Now the skids have been greased for all out diplomacy and the UN can ride to the rescue once again...God help us.
The most disturbing thing is watching Bush go along with all this crap. He lost my support long ago due to his non-action on immigration. Now when he should be standing up for Bolton or telling the Iraq group to F off he's wavering. This shows that after all the hard talk he's just another politician out to save his own skin. He has also basically bent over and told the Dems that he's ready for them to shove their amnesty plan up his ass and he'll take it with a smile. Now that the recalcitrant Republican house has been disposed of, there's no obstacle to impede the progress of the "North American Union" machine. Soon, like Iraq, the American immigration problem will be deemed a "quagmire" and that the only solution will be open borders in North America. Can you say "consolidation"? First the European Union, then us. What next? How long until the "one world government" crowd makes its big move? Anyone who knows the truth about Hilary knows she is a one world/socialist type. Will her election as Prez kick off the real party? And is Iran a part of it? After all, Ahmidinijad did say that soon he will "BURN A MARK OF SHAME INTO THE FOREHEADS OF THE UNBELIEVERS". Sound familiar?
Sorry to sound like a conspiracy nut, but all the crap happening doesn't add up lately from a common sense point of view.
You are right we should keep up this war that is doing nothing but wasting our tax dollars and getting americans killed, you are a great arm chair quarterback.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

You are right we should keep up this war that is doing nothing but wasting our tax dollars and getting americans killed, you are a great arm chair quarterback.
Isn't every war a waste of tax dollars that gets people killed?

[centerhill condor]

good thing Friday is here...
Our problem in the middle east is too much peace.
The original plan was Iraq/Afghanistan as a "forward area base of operation" similar to Gitmo for Cuba or the old "friendship airbase" in Thialand. We were suppossed to be in Persia by now. Take a moment and look at a map sometime and notice the two fronts for Persia and Syria.
The Iraq campaign was to be an act so threatening that Persia/Syria couldn't resist starting a declared war with us and we would then have the "moral" authority to dispense with the other "Evil Axis" powers forthwith.
But alas, all these stoopid questions about WMD, prisoner abuse, etc have kept us from fullfilling our only "real" objectives in that region of the globe; deprive the Islamic terrorists types a sphere of operations and monies, provide stability to the region's oil supply and distribution network, and "liberate" those huddled masses yearning to breath freely by adding a couple more stars to "Old Glory".
By pausing the conflict we've given all those would be combatants time to organize, procure modern weapons/tactics, and recruit (mount a meaningful counter attack strategy). In the name of what exactly? If you don't agree with any war this is not the planet for you. To date, violence is the power by which mankind rules himself.
So now we, like a husband interrupted by the youngest kid, have two choices....stop and walk away with unrealized fullfillment or realize what you began makes as much sense now as when you started and achieve mission fullfillment. The longer you think about it the less likely you are to like the outcome.
Now would be a good time to get the Chinese in on the game...they get much more oil from that area than we do. The Rooskies sell arms to all combatant parties and depend on destabilizing the area for higher oil prices for the treasury.

[OKIE-JET]

Hiroshima.......Nagasaki...turn it to glass. I know there are innocents in every corner of the world, however, if your huddled up in the millions, held captive by the thousands, then stand the f%*k up and DO something rather than wait for the U.S. to save your sorry a%%. If Americans saw some jackass with an AK-47 in the neighborhood terrorizing the locals, it wouldnt be long before he vanished. Also, if that same jackass were causing my homeland to be bombed back to the stone age, I myself would have to take matters into my own hands. If these people would deal with there own terror issues then why would we have to die for them? These people start out as grassroots terrorists, and end up holding the U.S. hostage, its hogwash....kill'em before they grow. :mad:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

What's next is the only people who like the ISG's proposals, are the ISG, and they are pissed the president has said he might use SOME of them, but not all, like not eating everything on a buffet table, but only chosing what you like. The incoming congressional leadership doesn't approve of it, the pres doesn't approve of it, it's now shown to be a huge waste of time, and resources. Also not surprised it says nothing about how to WIN, just how to surrender and get out.
That shouldn't be surprising tho. The group is loaded with a bunch of very smart people, very personable, very well-intentioned, experts in various fields, Diplomacy, The Law, Washingtom Power-brokering, Presidential time management and scheduling, etc. Who among them has ANY qualifications in "Urban Combat With An Armed Enemy"? None that I can find.

[eliminatedsprinter]

"Urban Combat With An Armed Enemy"? None that I can find.
If fighting with a Battle Axe counts as armed combat, then President Clintion should have been in the "Study Group".:wink:

[OKIE-JET]

If fighting with a Battle Axe counts as armed combat, then President Clintion should have been in the "Study Group".:wink:
A freezing cold battle-axe at that.:argue:

[eliminatedsprinter]

A freezing cold battle-axe at that.:argue:
Nice touch.:wink:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Touche' e.s. and O.J. Yer right on that one. LMAO. "Freezing cold battle axe".

[Poster X]

It's going to be hard to find anyone who's had any experience in the type of warfare we're experiencing in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you're waiting for qualified opinions Israel better be your research group. But I must warn you, even with Israel's vast experience with insurgency and terrorism, they've made little or no progress in combating modern terrorist tactics with traditional warfare. It seems to me any idiot (by now) would realize the only way to fight terror is with terror. Guess not? You can keep talking trash and sending your children in harms way, but they will never be anything less than a obvious target in a place where they have no obvious target themselves.
I think the study group grasped reality and hoped the powers that be would understand that reality and respond accordingly. Have any of you actually read the Iran Study Group Report or are you relying solely on sound bytes from your local FOX think tank? Because, after reading this thread, I find it hard to believe any of you actually read the report.

[OKIE-JET]

I didnt read, but I think the only way to fight "urban terrorists" is to level the urban landscape. The only target they get is the nuke coming inbound.

[Poster X]

That's not reality. No one is nuking Iran. It's talk like that that keeps you uninformed and and let's machismo take the place of common sense. While you're grunting and snorting and comparing unibrows our kids are dying daily. We need a REAL solution to the problems in the Middle East, not ridiculous shows of machismo.
It wouldn't be so bad but... you're allowed to vote.

[OKIE-JET]

I made the comment based on the current bs reasons we are there now. Personaly I dont think we have the right to DICTATE to any other country or peoples based solely on what WE think is just or correct. Each situation should be dealt with individualy. Our foreign policy is purposefuly left open ended to serve OUR greater interests, which is crap. I also dont think we can realisticly stabilize a region that has been in turmoil since the begining of time. Pull out slowly, try to heal at least some wounds, help where we can, and if they attack or hurt us, respond accordingly. We have to stop with nicey-nicey P.C. crap cause these folks dont play by those rules. Thats all.

[Poster X]

I concur.

[OKIE-JET]

Then theres no reason to get personal.:mix:

[Poster X]

I reckon not. ;)

[Schiada76]

What's next is no more polite war.
Waste the terrorists mased in Iraq. Partition the country into three states, distribute the oil revenues to the citizens along the lines of Alaska tell Iran and Sryria to get the fck out of Iraq or we start a little surgical bombing in their shithole countries from our PERMANENT bases in Iraq.
This will never happen because liberal scum in this country do not have the backbone and courage to do what's right.
What the dumbass liberals refuse to confront is the fact that we have troops in Germany, Japan, South Korea and Serbia (to name a few) for no oither reson than the one we are in Iraq for right now.

[Poster X]

The liberal scum haven't been in charge but 1/4 of the last four generations, yet you have yet to sieze the opportunity (as it were). Instead, you keep coming up with excuses with why everything is the liberals fault. With the Right having so much power over so much time, and yet, having done NOTHING about the host of complaints I see you guys rattle on about on this forum... I'd have to say the conservative scum have proved themselves to be pretty spineless? Gee, you guys haven't changed anything.
You've allowed the terror organizations to go unchecked since 1965 and now that it's out of control... it's suddenly the liberals fault? You've done nothing to change the laws on the books regarding social security or welfare. And I mean zilch. But that's all the Liberals fault too, huh? You've done nothing but complain about the ACLU these many years but I'll bet you haven't done a thing to counteract their advocacy, have you? You've done nothing but stack more government on top of old government and then whine about the Democrats wanting more government. Check for yourself. All you seem to be good at is blaming someone else. Perhaps it's time you did a little introspection and take responsibility for your own actions? Grow up a little - and instead of blaming everyone else for every little thing, actually make some changes that affect the social problems you seem to want to pin on everyone... but yourselves.
Have a nice day. I have to run. I found a liquor store that'll take food stamps but I have to get there before the managers shift.

[HighRoller]

Yeah, you're right about us never seeing this type of warfare therefore we should pack up and go home. We never saw the type of "No surrender" warfare at Iwo Jima and we lost, right? We never saw the Kamikaze warfare and we turned our ships around and went back to Pearl Harbor, right? We never experienced a Blitzkrieg either. Did we lose WW2? Of course, that was in the day when Americans were patriots first and politicians later and we all had the balls and stomach to realize war is a bloody and gruesome ordeal. Now we want an antiseptic war where we can watch the enemy die through the camera lens of a smart bomb while we sip a latte. If actual blood spills we all run for cover and say we had nothing to do with the decision to spill it. Where were you on the day after 9-11? 80% of the country wanted this war, now 80% of the people are saying they didn't want it. A bunch of you are either liars or cowards. Or both. We lost more Marines in Normandy in ONE HOUR than we have lost in Iraq in three years, yet we cry like a bunch of pussies. I remember the bloodlust that was in the air after 9-11 and the CONSENSUS among the American people. It's funny how that now we've discovered the truth about how hard war really is that the cowards and pussies have suddenly gotten a case of WMD Cut-N-Run amnesia and say we have to leave. If we leave, do you think the terrorists will leave us alone? Hell no, they'll be emboldened and come here to kick our ass all over again because they know they have the Democrat party, the ACLU, CAIR and CFR to protect them from American justice. Do you think it's a coincidence that Al Quaeda elebrated our recent election? No, because they know when Democrats win, so do they. So let's get it over with. Pull out, let the world laugh at us and the terrorists take over Iraq. There's no doubt that even though the WHOLE CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS WAR that GW bush will wear the blame for the "failure" like an Albatross around his neck his whole life. The Democrats have been invested in our defeat for years and now that they have secured it the focus will become putting the blame machine in gear and making sure the responsibility for the "Iraq quagmire" gets proper treatment in the history books to come. What a ****ing pathetic country we have become. I feel ashamed when I think about the brave boys who died in Normandy and in a B-29 over Berlin. They died in vain to protect our freedoms so we could become a bunch of fat and lazy apathetic cowards who can't even summon up the balls to do what we have to do to defeat 9th century peasants. And even if Iran nukes us we'll probably say there's no evidence of WMD's...Carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moneypitt]

If anyone thinks that Isreal needs us to hold their hand, think again. All Isreal needs from us is a green light and that BS would be over in a New York minute. Someone said they can't cure their own problems. Just give them a green light and sit back and watch. Problem is they wouldn't stop until the muslim world is eliminated and the PC morons of the world would blame us regardless if we weren't involved.........Nuke 'um all and let their god sort them out.......How many virgins are they promised after they murder innocent people and die in their effort? Very simular to the Kamakaze pilots of WWll....Death, or the threat of death, means nothing to them in their third world existence........Bomb the region into the stone age and mine the glass........MP

[Blown 472]

Yeah, you're right about us never seeing this type of warfare therefore we should pack up and go home. We never saw the type of "No surrender" warfare at Iwo Jima and we lost, right? We never saw the Kamikaze warfare and we turned our ships around and went back to Pearl Harbor, right? We never experienced a Blitzkrieg either. Did we lose WW2? Of course, that was in the day when Americans were patriots first and politicians later and we all had the balls and stomach to realize war is a bloody and gruesome ordeal. Now we want an antiseptic war where we can watch the enemy die through the camera lens of a smart bomb while we sip a latte. If actual blood spills we all run for cover and say we had nothing to do with the decision to spill it. Where were you on the day after 9-11? 80% of the country wanted this war, now 80% of the people are saying they didn't want it. A bunch of you are either liars or cowards. Or both. We lost more Marines in Normandy in ONE HOUR than we have lost in Iraq in three years, yet we cry like a bunch of pussies. I remember the bloodlust that was in the air after 9-11 and the CONSENSUS among the American people. It's funny how that now we've discovered the truth about how hard war really is that the cowards and pussies have suddenly gotten a case of WMD Cut-N-Run amnesia and say we have to leave. If we leave, do you think the terrorists will leave us alone? Hell no, they'll be emboldened and come here to kick our ass all over again because they know they have the Democrat party, the ACLU, CAIR and CFR to protect them from American justice. Do you think it's a coincidence that Al Quaeda elebrated our recent election? No, because they know when Democrats win, so do they. So let's get it over with. Pull out, let the world laugh at us and the terrorists take over Iraq. There's no doubt that even though the WHOLE CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS WAR that GW bush will wear the blame for the "failure" like an Albatross around his neck his whole life. The Democrats have been invested in our defeat for years and now that they have secured it the focus will become putting the blame machine in gear and making sure the responsibility for the "Iraq quagmire" gets proper treatment in the history books to come. What a ****ing pathetic country we have become. I feel ashamed when I think about the brave boys who died in Normandy and in a B-29 over Berlin. They died in vain to protect our freedoms so we could become a bunch of fat and lazy apathetic cowards who can't even summon up the balls to do what we have to do to defeat 9th century peasants. And even if Iran nukes us we'll probably say there's no evidence of WMD's...Carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy shit are you warped, I think you should get on a plane and go over there and kill them a rabs, but no you sit and run your mouth on your pc, you have become what you are bitching about.
Nice run on too.:supp:
And since you brought up 911 where is that osama guy again? oh thats right, not in iraq but yet we dont want this war? what are we fighting for again? a guy that killed 3000 americans or country that had nothing to do with it? please splain.

[Old Texan]

Yeah, you're right about us never seeing this type of warfare therefore we should pack up and go home. We never saw the type of "No surrender" warfare at Iwo Jima and we lost, right? We never saw the Kamikaze warfare and we turned our ships around and went back to Pearl Harbor, right? We never experienced a Blitzkrieg either. Did we lose WW2? Of course, that was in the day when Americans were patriots first and politicians later and we all had the balls and stomach to realize war is a bloody and gruesome ordeal. Now we want an antiseptic war where we can watch the enemy die through the camera lens of a smart bomb while we sip a latte. If actual blood spills we all run for cover and say we had nothing to do with the decision to spill it. Where were you on the day after 9-11? 80% of the country wanted this war, now 80% of the people are saying they didn't want it. A bunch of you are either liars or cowards. Or both. We lost more Marines in Normandy in ONE HOUR than we have lost in Iraq in three years, yet we cry like a bunch of pussies. I remember the bloodlust that was in the air after 9-11 and the CONSENSUS among the American people. It's funny how that now we've discovered the truth about how hard war really is that the cowards and pussies have suddenly gotten a case of WMD Cut-N-Run amnesia and say we have to leave. If we leave, do you think the terrorists will leave us alone? Hell no, they'll be emboldened and come here to kick our ass all over again because they know they have the Democrat party, the ACLU, CAIR and CFR to protect them from American justice. Do you think it's a coincidence that Al Quaeda elebrated our recent election? No, because they know when Democrats win, so do they. So let's get it over with. Pull out, let the world laugh at us and the terrorists take over Iraq. There's no doubt that even though the WHOLE CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS WAR that GW bush will wear the blame for the "failure" like an Albatross around his neck his whole life. The Democrats have been invested in our defeat for years and now that they have secured it the focus will become putting the blame machine in gear and making sure the responsibility for the "Iraq quagmire" gets proper treatment in the history books to come. What a ****ing pathetic country we have become. I feel ashamed when I think about the brave boys who died in Normandy and in a B-29 over Berlin. They died in vain to protect our freedoms so we could become a bunch of fat and lazy apathetic cowards who can't even summon up the balls to do what we have to do to defeat 9th century peasants. And even if Iran nukes us we'll probably say there's no evidence of WMD's...Carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said.
Now as for PX, you're back on the us vs them Lib/Con thing again and that's pretty much what Highroller has pointed out. Our country is reeling from this PC crap and too many of our citizens don't want to face cruel reality.
Neither side of the aisle wants to support unpopular realistic decisions required to defend our nation and our allies. No balls Republicans like Bill Frist allow the likes of Reid and Pelosi to stall or shut down any plan. Bush catches all the crap, but the man can't function without sound backing and we the American people haven't sent him much in the way of Senators and House Representatives to do the job. I honestly do not see anyone in either party from the House or Senate that can honestly be called a leader. Neither side, none. Hillary vs McCain, god help us all.
We can't get changes made or problems solved with the crew we have sent to Washington. Political lifers like Kennedy and DeLay have sat on their fat asses and done nothing but cause disruption to the program for too long.
Congressional term limits, Supreme Court term limits, and immigration solutions need to be done now if we are to survive the coming decades of the out of control growth of world populations.
A cruel reality is the world is filling up with people with no hope. Third world populations are out of control (check out the immigration thread here and over in the Sandbar with the accompanying video) and the solution isn't Sally Struthers sending sandwiches. We need to look at these problems open mindedly and not with the favored compassions of our soft underside conscience. I feel sorry for starving children in Africa, but like that cute puppy they often grow into ruthless terroist killer mongrels that want to blow my country out from under me. Feeling sorry is easy, making hard decisions for survival is not.
I don't know what the solutions are long term, but I do know if the American people keep ignoring the problems we are not going to survive.

[Old Texan]

Holy shit are you warped, I think you should get on a plane and go over there and kill them a rabs, but no you sit and run your mouth on your pc, you have become what you are bitching about.
Nice run on too.:supp:
And since you brought up 911 where is that osama guy again? oh thats right, not in iraq but yet we dont want this war? what are we fighting for again? a guy that killed 3000 americans or country that had nothing to do with it? please splain.
Great insight blown. Thank you for all YOUR solutions and great ideas. Too bad we couldn't just put you in charge and watch all the problems disappear.
Stand back Highroller, Blown's gonna fix everything. Book your tickets now for the trip to "Utopian World", Blown's great paradise where evil justs goes away and pretty lil' flowers fall from the soft pink sky. :sleeping:

[Blown 472]

Great insight blown. Thank you for all YOUR solutions and great ideas. Too bad we couldn't just put you in charge and watch all the problems disappear.
Stand back Highroller, Blown's gonna fix everything. Book your tickets now for the trip to "Utopian World", Blown's great paradise where evil justs goes away and pretty lil' flowers fall from the soft pink sky. :sleeping:
Huh??

[Old Texan]

Huh??
There ya have it folks, Blown makes a "State of Utopia World" address.
Blown if you were to win the Powerball "record" lotto, you still couldn't buy a clue.

[AzMandella]

Holy shit are you warped, I think you should get on a plane and go over there and kill them a rabs, but no you sit and run your mouth on your pc, you have become what you are bitching about.
Nice run on too.:supp:
And since you brought up 911 where is that osama guy again? oh thats right, not in iraq but yet we dont want this war? what are we fighting for again? a guy that killed 3000 americans or country that had nothing to do with it? please splain.
Well Blown you have graced us with your great intelect again.Lord what would we do without people like you?Oh yeah,prosper and accomplish the goals we set out to do.
If you still don't understand why we are in Iraq I guess we'll have to remind you. After 911 the U.S. adopted the policy that we would fight terrorism no matter where it is.Iraq being the next major country to harbor and promote terrorism after most of them left Afganistan and fled to Iraq. Not to mention the fact that Iraq was led by a man who had been bushing the UN inspection teams around for 8 years while Pres. Clinton didn't have the balls to push the UN and Saddam to carry out the sanctions placed on them. If you didn't think that his actions gave anyone a reasnable suspicion that he was trying to hide weapons and his illeagal dealings with the French than you are as stupid as the people you ellude to. That is why we are in Iraq. Because they were and are a threat to our national security and the security of americans all over the world.
Now as far as where is Osama? If a person has the money and the means they will have the ability to hide untill someone close to him gives up the information as to when and where to find him.I'm sure that if he were to take up residency somewhere for a long period of time it wouldn't take long to zero in on him. But as long as he is moving from place to place each day,and from country to country,where there are people willing to protect him and hide him. It will be hard to find him. lets not forget that there were german WWII officers that were wanted for war crimes that took upwards of 40 yrs to find. And alot of them had taken up permanent residency right here in the good old U.S. of A. Right under our noses.
It's a good thing americans didn't think the todays left wing when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.Under todays line of left thinking we would have written those 3000+ lives off.Sat on our asses while Hitler and Japan took over the world.Then you wouldn't have the right to post your ignorant views on the internet while we all goosesteped around with our arms outstretched yelling"Hiel Hitler".
High roller is right,we lost more soldiers in an hour at Iwo Jima and probably twice as much in the same amount of time in Normandy. But back then Americans were patriots and got behind their country in the persuit of continuing fredom and democracy.Instead of slandering our leaders and weakening our union. But that's ok.So when we get a democratic president in office and they pull out of Iraq before the job is done and let the terrorist regroup and start attacking the U.S. again you can start blaming Bush again for the problems we have that were really caused by the Dems. JUst like the problems we have now that Clinton didn't do one stinking thing about it while the terrorist were bombing our naval vesles,Embasy's and the World Trade center the first time.
P.S.
An inteligent response would be appreciated instead of one of your usual mindles dribble statements.Mabey even some of your own views and ideas instead of some cut and paste BS from some wacko left wing terrorist supporting sites you are so fond of.

[AzMandella]

Huh??
Exactly.Duhhhhhh

[Blown 472]

Well Blown you have graced us with your great intelect again.Lord what would we do without people like you?Oh yeah,prosper and accomplish the goals we set out to do.
If you still don't understand why we are in Iraq I guess we'll have to remind you. After 911 the U.S. adopted the policy that we would fight terrorism no matter where it is.Iraq being the next major country to harbor and promote terrorism after most of them left Afganistan and fled to Iraq. Not to mention the fact that Iraq was led by a man who had been bushing the UN inspection teams around for 8 years while Pres. Clinton didn't have the balls to push the UN and Saddam to carry out the sanctions placed on them. If you didn't think that his actions gave anyone a reasnable suspicion that he was trying to hide weapons and his illeagal dealings with the French than you are as stupid as the people you ellude to. That is why we are in Iraq. Because they were and are a threat to our national security and the security of americans all over the world.
Now as far as where is Osama? If a person has the money and the means they will have the ability to hide untill someone close to him gives up the information as to when and where to find him.I'm sure that if he were to take up residency somewhere for a long period of time it wouldn't take long to zero in on him. But as long as he is moving from place to place each day,and from country to country,where there are people willing to protect him and hide him. It will be hard to find him. lets not forget that there were german WWII officers that were wanted for war crimes that took upwards of 40 yrs to find. And alot of them had taken up permanent residency right here in the good old U.S. of A. Right under our noses.
It's a good thing americans didn't think the todays left wing when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.Under todays line of left thinking we would have written those 3000+ lives off.Sat on our asses while Hitler and Japan took over the world.Then you wouldn't have the right to post your ignorant views on the internet while we all goosesteped around with our arms outstretched yelling"Hiel Hitler".
High roller is right,we lost more soldiers in an hour at Iwo Jima and probably twice as much in the same amount of time in Normandy. But back then Americans were patriots and got behind their country in the persuit of continuing fredom and democracy.Instead of slandering our leaders and weakening our union. But that's ok.So when we get a democratic president in office and they pull out of Iraq before the job is done and let the terrorist regroup and start attacking the U.S. again you can start blaming Bush again for the problems we have that were really caused by the Dems. JUst like the problems we have now that Clinton didn't do one stinking thing about it while the terrorist were bombing our naval vesles,Embasy's and the World Trade center the first time.
P.S.
An inteligent response would be appreciated instead of one of your usual mindles dribble statements.Mabey even some of your own views and ideas instead of some cut and paste BS from some wacko left wing terrorist supporting sites you are so fond of.
Did you have to write this down as rush spewed it or did you memorize it??
Why didn't bush senior finish the job the first time?

[AzMandella]

Did you have to write this down as rush spewed it or did you memorize it??
Why didn't bush senior finish the job the first time?
Once again answering questions with questions.You are doing a good job of showing why the majority of the Dems are just a bunch of dumb idiots.No answers for anything.Just critisism to those that actually do try to remedy the problems faced in today's day and age.For just once I would like to see you answer a question posed to you with some real intelect.But I know that's asking too much.But at least you have a high post count.Just like Clinton.8yrs in office and not one peice of meaningful legislation that anyone can think of.Hell then you go back to Carter and,oops, nothing there either.
And if you think that it was Bush Sr. who was completely responsible for that decision you are as dumb as the U.N. who pushed us to stop short of assasinating Saddam.He should have listened to Schwartkopf and been more like G.W. and told the UN to shove it and done as he pleased.

[Blown 472]

Once again answering questions with questions.You are doing a good job of showing why the majority of the Dems are just a bunch of dumb idiots.No answers for anything.Just critisism to those that actually do try to remedy the problems faced in today's day and age.For just once I would like to see you answer a question posed to you with some real intelect.But I know that's asking too much.But at least you have a high post count.Just like Clinton.8yrs in office and not one peice of meaningful legislation that anyone can think of.Hell then you go back to Carter and,oops, nothing there either.
And if you think that it was Bush Sr. who was completely responsible for that decision you are as dumb as the U.N. who pushed us to stop short of assasinating Saddam.He should have listened to Schwartkopf and been more like G.W. and told the UN to shove it and done as he pleased.
Hate to burst your bubble never voted dem, dont like em dont support them, you on the other hand are too narrow minded to realize that it doesn't have to be one side or the other, you are a good study in being formed by the gubment and not able to speak for yourself.

[AzMandella]

Hate to burst your bubble never voted dem, dont like em dont support them, you on the other hand are too narrow minded to realize that it doesn't have to be one side or the other, you are a good study in being formed by the gubment and not able to speak for yourself.
I hate to tell you but you are the one who cannot speak for yourself.You have yet to speak for yourself in 13,209 psts.Hell I've seen people make more sense and with more intelect in their first 2 posts on HB than your whole 13,209.And if you don't like dems then why do continue to cut and paste so much from wacko dem sites and act like one?Mabey someday you'll make a stand for yourself and really let us know what you do stand for.But you'll have to get out of the 2nd grade first.

[Blown 472]

I hate to tell you but you are the one who cannot speak for yourself.You have yet to speak for yourself in 13,209 psts.Hell I've seen people make more sense and with more intelect in their first 2 posts on HB than your whole 13,209.And if you don't like dems then why do continue to cut and paste so much from wacko dem sites and act like one?Mabey someday you'll make a stand for yourself and really let us know what you do stand for.But you'll have to get out of the 2nd grade first.
Boy you have a real hard on for that post count, strange. You are right not a ****ing thing ever said unlike your self that barfs up crap that is on the news every nite.

[AzMandella]

Regressing I see.

[AzMandella]

Boy you have a real hard on for that post count, strange. You are right not a ****ing thing ever said unlike your self that barfs up crap that is on the news every nite.
You like hardons dont you Blowj*b 472.

[Old Texan]

lets not forget that there were german WWII officers that were wanted for war crimes that took upwards of 40 yrs to find. And alot of them had taken up permanent residency right here in the good old U.S. of A. Right under our noses.
It took Jews to hunt down the Germans and you know what Blown thinks of Jews. Blown is that why you hate Jews? For hunting down Nazis?
By the way Blown, what do think the odds are that Osama is still alive?
Better yet which scenario has the higher percentage:
-Osama is alive.
-Osama is dead.
-Bush has Osama hidden away in an underground Halliburton built cave cell waiting for the best political moment to announce his capture.
-Osama had extensive plastic surgery including 6" taken out of his thigh bones and is living anonymously in Miami in a Jewish owned condo where he's in a bitter fight with the building HOA over the use of prayer rugs in the lobby.

[Blown 472]

It took Jews to hunt down the Germans and you know what Blown thinks of Jews. Blown is that why you hate Jews? For hunting down Nazis?
By the way Blown, what do think the odds are that Osama is still alive?
Better yet which scenario has the higher percentage:
-Osama is alive.
-Osama is dead.
-Bush has Osama hidden away in an underground Halliburton built cave cell waiting for the best political moment to announce his capture.
-Osama had extensive plastic surgery including 6" taken out of his thigh bones and is living anonymously in Miami in a Jewish owned condo where he's in a bitter fight with the building HOA over the use of prayer rugs in the lobby.
FOR THE LAST TIME, ZIONISTS ARE THE ONES I HATE, UNDERSTAND?
I will take the last one.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It took Jews to hunt down the Germans and you know what Blown thinks of Jews. Blown is that why you hate Jews? For hunting down Nazis?.
No, blown is pissed at Isreal for having the Mossad hunt down and assasinate the poor helpless palistinean Black September terror cell after Munich, 1972.
FOR THE LAST TIME, ZIONISTS ARE THE ONES I HATE, UNDERSTAND?.
See?
While we are there, just WHY IS IT YOU HATE ZIONISTS then, yet love jews?
By the way Blown, what do think the odds are that Osama is still alive?
Better yet which scenario has the higher percentage:
-Osama is alive.
-Osama is dead.
-Bush has Osama hidden away in an underground Halliburton built cave cell waiting for the best political moment to announce his capture.
-Osama had extensive plastic surgery including 6" taken out of his thigh bones and is living anonymously in Miami in a Jewish owned condo where he's in a bitter fight with the building HOA over the use of prayer rugs in the lobby.
I will take the last one.
Figures. :sleeping:
Az's right. I haven't seen anything that could claim "inteligence value" either in 13,000+ posts, including your sudden desire to show up in tech threads and be a pointless prick.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Why didn't bush senior finish the job the first time?
I realize the UN confuses you blown, but, per the UN, we were only authorized back in 1991/92, to run Saddam's army out of Kuwait. We were not authorized to overthrow the govt. Sheesh.
Am I gonna have to explain this 27 more times, like the USS Liberty?

[Blown 472]

No, blown is pissed at Isreal for having the Mossad hunt down and assasinate the poor helpless palistinean Black September terror cell after Munich, 1972.
See?
While we are there, just WHY IS IT YOU HATE ZIONISTS then, yet love jews?
Figures. :sleeping:
Az's right. I haven't seen anything that could claim "inteligence value" either in 13,000+ posts, including your sudden desire to show up in tech threads and be a pointless prick.
You mean like your posts quoting your desk top dyno?? cuz you are just loaded with tech info that you gleed from someone else.
Pointless? you just drink the kool aid and go with the flow.

[Blown 472]

I realize the UN confuses you blown, but, per the UN, we were only authorized back in 1991/92, to run Saddam's army out of Kuwait. We were not authorized to overthrow the govt. Sheesh.
Am I gonna have to explain this 27 more times, like the USS Liberty?
Your use of the UN is very confusing, it is ok to quote them when it is in your favor but other times they should be shut down and kicked out of the states, holy bi polar batman.

[OKIE-JET]

Well if were all just gonna be DEMS. or REP.s' then what is the fukin point? blah blah blah... You did this you did that...can we not, as a society, put this pointless bickering away and actualy do something about it? This is why we are where we are. It should be rednecks like myself in charge for a short time to do what needs done then turn it back to politicians so they can fuk it up a hundred yrs from now. KILL the basTURDS and let allah or whoever their god is sort em out. Arguement solved.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

You mean like your posts quoting your desk top dyno?? cuz you are just loaded with tech info that you gleed from someone else.
That would be GLEANED, blown, apparently you should consult a dictionary sometime, GLEAN some knowledge sometime, instead of just FREE-THINKing it all up on your own.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
1. To gather after a reaper; to collect in scattered or
fragmentary parcels, as the grain left by a reaper, or
grapes left after the gathering.
To glean the broken ears after the man That the main
harvest reaps. --Shak.
2. To gather from (a field or vineyard) what is left.
3. To collect with patient and minute labor; to pick out; to
obtain.
Content to glean what we can from . . . experiments.
Now, since you never learned anything, from anyone else, how preytell did you manage to ammass the knowledge of the ages all by your lonesome?
You FREE-THUNK all your own knowledge about engines & cars.
You FREE-THUNK all your own ideas on the whole world (how come we get to see the crap liberal loons come up with then instead of your own gems?)
You certainly FREE-THUNK your own knowledge of the english language.
How come you show up in gearheads asking questions? Oh that's right, you're not trying to GLEAN knowledge, (you already have more than enough), you are setting traps for the stupid below you eh?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Your use of the UN is very confusing, it is ok to quote them when it is in your favor but other times they should be shut down and kicked out of the states, holy bi polar batman.
Again you cannot diferentiate (means "tell the difference") what I would like to see, from past historical fact. It shows in your own postings, this disconnect you have from reality.
I would like to see us out of the UN, I would NOT like to see us overrun by the UN, I would noty like to see our millitary RUN by the UN.
I am able to quote the reality of UN resolutions for what they are, not what I want them to be, unlike you.
In defiance of all reality blown, Israel has been attacking poor arabs for decades, as the agressor, according to you.
In defiance of all reality, The USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by the evil Israelis, according to you.
In defiance of all reality, the World Trade Center towers were dropped by unknown demolitions experts, who somehow planted arround 10,000 pounds of C-4 in 4 running office buildings, on every floor, while nobody noticed, then kidnapped 300+ peole from airliners, and crashed them in as a cover, according to you. They also warned all the jews ahead of time, according to you.
If this is what "FREE-THINKING" gets me, I'll settle for farming the wisdom of others, to GLEAN knowledge, just as mankind has done for however long.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Have any of you actually read the Iran Study Group Report or are you relying solely on sound bytes from your local FOX think tank? Because, after reading this thread, I find it hard to believe any of you actually read the report.
I haven't read it yet. That is why I haven't commented on it.

[eliminatedsprinter]

:wink: Yeah, you're right about us never seeing this type of warfare therefore we should pack up and go home. We never saw the type of "No surrender" warfare at Iwo Jima and we lost, right? We never saw the Kamikaze warfare and we turned our ships around and went back to Pearl Harbor, right? We never experienced a Blitzkrieg either. Did we lose WW2? Of course, that was in the day when Americans were patriots first and politicians later and we all had the balls and stomach to realize war is a bloody and gruesome ordeal. Now we want an antiseptic war where we can watch the enemy die through the camera lens of a smart bomb while we sip a latte. If actual blood spills we all run for cover and say we had nothing to do with the decision to spill it. Where were you on the day after 9-11? 80% of the country wanted this war, now 80% of the people are saying they didn't want it. A bunch of you are either liars or cowards. Or both. We lost more Marines in Normandy in ONE HOUR than we have lost in Iraq in three years, yet we cry like a bunch of pussies. I remember the bloodlust that was in the air after 9-11 and the CONSENSUS among the American people. It's funny how that now we've discovered the truth about how hard war really is that the cowards and pussies have suddenly gotten a case of WMD Cut-N-Run amnesia and say we have to leave. If we leave, do you think the terrorists will leave us alone? Hell no, they'll be emboldened and come here to kick our ass all over again because they know they have the Democrat party, the ACLU, CAIR and CFR to protect them from American justice. Do you think it's a coincidence that Al Quaeda elebrated our recent election? No, because they know when Democrats win, so do they. So let's get it over with. Pull out, let the world laugh at us and the terrorists take over Iraq. There's no doubt that even though the WHOLE CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS WAR that GW bush will wear the blame for the "failure" like an Albatross around his neck his whole life. The Democrats have been invested in our defeat for years and now that they have secured it the focus will become putting the blame machine in gear and making sure the responsibility for the "Iraq quagmire" gets proper treatment in the history books to come. What a ****ing pathetic country we have become. I feel ashamed when I think about the brave boys who died in Normandy and in a B-29 over Berlin. They died in vain to protect our freedoms so we could become a bunch of fat and lazy apathetic cowards who can't even summon up the balls to do what we have to do to defeat 9th century peasants. And even if Iran nukes us we'll probably say there's no evidence of WMD's...Carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We didn't use B29s to bomb Berlin. Aside from that, this seems pretty accurate.

[eliminatedsprinter]

The liberal scum haven't been in charge but 1/4 of the last four generations, yet you have yet to sieze the opportunity (as it were). Instead, you keep coming up with excuses with why everything is the liberals fault. With the Right having so much power over so much time, and yet, having done NOTHING about the host of complaints I see you guys rattle on about on this forum... I'd have to say the conservative scum have proved themselves to be pretty spineless? Gee, you guys haven't changed anything.
You've allowed the terror organizations to go unchecked since 1965 and now that it's out of control... it's suddenly the liberals fault? You've done nothing to change the laws on the books regarding social security or welfare. And I mean zilch. But that's all the Liberals fault too, huh? You've done nothing but complain about the ACLU these many years but I'll bet you haven't done a thing to counteract their advocacy, have you? You've done nothing but stack more government on top of old government and then whine about the Democrats wanting more government. Check for yourself. All you seem to be good at is blaming someone else. Perhaps it's time you did a little introspection and take responsibility for your own actions? Grow up a little - and instead of blaming everyone else for every little thing, actually make some changes that affect the social problems you seem to want to pin on everyone... but yourselves.
Have a nice day. I have to run. I found a liquor store that'll take food stamps but I have to get there before the managers shift.
You have exposed an irony here.
In response to threats like Iran or Iraq, the Democrats push for soft policies of appeasment. The Republicians soften their policies to appease the Democrats. The soft policies fail and the Democrats point the finger at the Republicians for being in charge of the failure. Then the Republicians point their fingers and call the Democrats appeasers. The reality is that they are all hypocrites and appeasers to one extent or the other and they are all to blame.

[OKIE-JET]

You have exposed an irony here.
In response to threats like Iran or Iraq, the Democrats push for soft policies of appeasment. The Republicians soften their policies to appease the Democrats. The soft policies fail and the Democrats point the finger at the Republicians for being in charge of the failure. Then the Republicians point their fingers and call the Democrats appeasers. The reality is that they are all hypocrites and appeasers to one extent or the other and they are all to blame.
Bingo....we have a winner!!

[Blown 472]

That would be GLEANED, blown, apparently you should consult a dictionary sometime, GLEAN some knowledge sometime, instead of just FREE-THINKing it all up on your own.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
1. To gather after a reaper; to collect in scattered or
fragmentary parcels, as the grain left by a reaper, or
grapes left after the gathering.
To glean the broken ears after the man That the main
harvest reaps. --Shak.
2. To gather from (a field or vineyard) what is left.
3. To collect with patient and minute labor; to pick out; to
obtain.
Content to glean what we can from . . . experiments.
Now, since you never learned anything, from anyone else, how preytell did you manage to ammass the knowledge of the ages all by your lonesome?
You FREE-THUNK all your own knowledge about engines & cars.
You FREE-THUNK all your own ideas on the whole world (how come we get to see the crap liberal loons come up with then instead of your own gems?)
You certainly FREE-THUNK your own knowledge of the english language.
How come you show up in gearheads asking questions? Oh that's right, you're not trying to GLEAN knowledge, (you already have more than enough), you are setting traps for the stupid below you eh?
More of your double speak, sorry I forgot you are the expert mechanic, that is why you can sit at home and grind numbers on a pc rather then building something and tuning it your self. You will note that I ask questions as I am moving upward with my stuff rather then you stuck with your single four and a hydraulic cam way of thinking.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

More of your double speak, sorry I forgot you are the expert mechanic, that is why you can sit at home and grind numbers on a pc rather then building something and tuning it your self. You will note that I ask questions as I am moving upward with my stuff rather then you stuck with your single four and a hydraulic cam way of thinking.
I'll trade you budgets, and you will instantly stop building anything, and any answers you get to questions, will be useless as you won't be able to do anything with the info. Step down to my $900 a month take home, and send me the rest. I'll send you the photos of the blown roller motors I work out.
Now, to stay on topic, I believe I asked a question, trying to move up. My mistake was using you as a ladder. I'll make the same mistake again;
"What did the ZIONISTS do to make you hate them so much?" :hammerhea

[Blown 472]

I'll trade you budgets, and you will instantly stop building anything, and any answers you get to questions, will be useless as you won't be able to do anything with the info. Step down to my $900 a month take home, and send me the rest. I'll send you the photos of the blown roller motors I work out.
Now, to stay on topic, I believe I asked a question, trying to move up. My mistake was using you as a ladder. I'll make the same mistake again;
"What did the ZIONISTS do to make you hate them so much?" :hammerhea
Well lemme see, they kill inocent people, they steal land, you get the drift.
Does that explain why you are so angry??

[eliminatedsprinter]

Well lemme see, they kill inocent people, they steal land, you get the drift.
Does that explain why you are so angry??
How do you define a Zionist??
I know the historical definition. I think many of us would like to know what you think they are, so we could know who you hate.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Well, we can see the definition of theft.
Apparently beginning in 1966, the milinea-old practice of holding property won in war was outlawed, by someone. Was it the UN blown? Apparently nobody told Isreal. Thus, in 1967, after 18 years of being threatened, and several months of watching all it's neighbors amass armies on it's borders, and speak in the news and in thir countries about how they were about to wipe out Israel, they stomped a mudhole in 3 armies who couldn't coagulate their feces (get their shi+ togehter), and then walked it dry. Took about 6 days. Feel free to revise history blown, but the above is accurate, if abreviated. Now, they decided, being such a small country, surrounded by armed enemies, to not give them back the high ground they had taken (Gaza and the Golan Heights). Sound strategic self-defence planning, and for millenia, the practice done in war. The spoils of war are kept by the victors. Apparently this practice waws outlawed sometime prior to 1967, thus the Israeli are nothing but dirty, theiving jews, stealing more from poor downtrodden people who really needed it. :cry:
Have the Israelis killed any GUILTY people blown, or do they only search out the innoscent to murder?
Good lord blown. :hammerhea
Just how did you divine that I am angry blown? I have my doubts you have ever seen text of me really angered, and certainly not to you. :confused:
Pathetic doesn't anger me, and stupid only annoys me. :sleeping:
Fag transvestites don't bother me either.:shift:

[eliminatedsprinter]

I think you may be referring to the Kellog-Briand pact of 1928.
In 1928 the industrialized nations of the world got together and signed the Kellog-Brand pact. It banned war as a solution to international controversies and as an instrument of national policy. It states that any signing power who seeks to prmote it's national intrests by resort to war shall be denied it's benefits furnished by the treaty. I have no idea if Isreal has since signed on to it. But it sure is a good thing crazy dictators follow treaties, otherwise the world wouldn't have had the era of peaceful bliss that we have had ever since 1928:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ....