My Employer is P***ing me Off!

[DelawareDave]

I guess I work for a very presumptuous employer. When I came to work here, I brought my own computer program to do my job. The employer has provided a computer, printer, ink, etc, as required. My program is very expensive, to the tune of $40K, for one user, plus an annual renewal of $3K. They do not pay for the renewal. Now, the company is purchasing automated equipment, to the tune of $500K, which my program can generate CNC files to program the machines. Now, I find out they are looking for another person that is capable of using my software. My wife saw the classified ad, and called me to ask if I was quitting, or getting canned.
They should be aware that if I was to leave, they would have to purchase their own copy, which they wouldn't be real happy about.
I know they don't plan on buying a copy for a new employee to use either. It's like they assume I am willing to set this new person up with my software, at no cost to them. I feel like I am being taken advantage of, and it is really irritating me. If someone was to get hired at the local car dealer, and had no tools, how long would all the rest of the techs be willing to loan the new guy their tools, if at all? I just find this really grating to me. And of course, they would have to pay someone experienced, around the same wage I am getting, as well, but with no investment on their part. And- to top it off, the general prevailing wage, for an experienced person, with the software supplied by the employer, is more than what I am getting paid.
I just think they are overstepping their boundaries, and need to vent.

[robk]

I've felt the same way more than once... but you never know, maybe they're wanting to train someone to do your job so you they can promote you? Regardless, these situations never sit well. I hate sitting in the dark wondering what the hell is *really* going on, even if it turns out to be something positive.

[wsuwrhr]

Just curious, Why would you bring a $40K program into a job if you aren't compensated for, especially paying the maintenance fees and such?
What does your program do BTW?
Brian

[Liberator TJ1984]

Take it with you by all means if that's the Chicken Sh*t manner they are pulling on you :mad:
oh yea ....are you spending Too Much time on ***boat instead of working ?:D

[Jim W]

And- to top it off, the general prevailing wage, for an experienced person, with the software supplied by the employer, is more than what I am getting paid.
Keep reading this sentence over and over untill it sinks in......
Be good, Jim

[wsuwrhr]

Take it with you by all means if that's the Chicken Sh*t manner they are pulling on you :mad:
Exactly. Are they able to use the program when you are gone? Is it installed on THEIR computer.
You may have inadvertanly GAVE them the program by installing it on their computer, making it an asset of the company.
Brian

[wsuwrhr]

And- to top it off, the general prevailing wage, for an experienced person, with the software supplied by the employer, is more than what I am getting paid.
Keep reading this sentence over and over untill it sinks in......
Be good, Jim
Yep.

[OKIE-JET]

Your 40K program is yours, its proprietary it sounds. If they are lookin for someone to work WITH you, he/she should either bring their own prog. or the company should supply that person his/her own. Maybe you could work somethin out with them to purchase half interest in your personal program...just a thought.

[Pussywhippled]

Hard facts...
Face it your just a number and can be easily replaced.
They were in business before you were there and they will be in business after you leave.
It's always like one employee who thinks the company will fail if they are gone.
I'm sure your $40k computer program is no big deal to them if they are spending $500k on a piece of equipment, it's like a tip at that point.
Most business owners are lucky to get where they got, and most of the time it's not by hard work...

[OKIE-JET]

It would also bring to light the issue of maint fees.:)

[wsuwrhr]

Hard facts...
Face it your just a number and can be easily replaced.
They were in business before you were there and they will be in business after you leave.
It's always like one employee who thinks the company will fail if they are gone.
I'm sure your $40k computer program is no big deal to them if they are spending $500k on a piece of equipment, it's like a tip at that point.
Most business owners are lucky to get where they got, and most of the time it's not by hard work...
I have heard that said before.
My old company has had a hard time with mold production and finding/keeping employees since I left. The owner called my house last year asking me what I thought of coming back to work, and even offered me a 50% raise which was pretty substantial I thought.
Brian

[OKIE-JET]

I have heard that said before.
My old company has had a hard time with mold production and finding/keeping employees since I left. The owner called my house last year asking me what I thought of coming back to work, and even offered me a 50% raise which was pretty substantial I thought.
Brian
I'm going thru the exact same thing right now with my former too.

[little rowe boat]

Just ask them what is going on.

[Pussywhippled]

Just ask them what is going on.
If he didn't have the huevo's when he started, why would he now...

[little rowe boat]

If he didn't have the huevo's when he started, why would he now...
If something was bothering me to that extent, I would approach my employer and get the story. It's better to get the story and then react than react and then find out your presumptions were wrong.

[riverbound]

Hard facts...
Face it your just a number and can be easily replaced.
They were in business before you were there and they will be in business after you leave.
It's always like one employee who thinks the company will fail if they are gone.
When ever I have an employee who thinks this way, I always tell them. Cemetarys are full of people that think they are irreplaceable. the world will keep turning ;)

[DelawareDave]

I did inquire as soon as I found out about the classified ad. Our other person in my position is leaving for "greener pastures". But he has no experience with the software, either.
Don't get me wrong- I am not unhappy with my position. I have very good fringe benefits, such as materials to use on my boat, set my own schedule, come and go as I please, etc. When we had no work for a couple of months, I didn't get laid off, but sat around playing on Hot Boat, etc. Plus there is no one here that is computer literate, either. I do their IT, and any computer related stuff that needs done.
If I were to leave, I would pull the license from the software, effectively disabling it. It is licensed to me, and they can't argue that, no way, no how. But, I am more than willing to sell them an interest in it. I just don't like them assuming they can do what they want with my "tools" of the trade.

[Biglue]

Is it 40K in CAM software? How the hell are you having to pay for that? Depending on how good you are with the company, you need to talk to the bosses and ask them what's up. There may be some growth you don't know about. Still shitty that they are using your software though......unless it's a burnt copy. The job posted, is it describing what you do in the company or are they looking for a more senior person?

[Mandelon]

Hard facts...
Most business owners are lucky to get where they got, and most of the time it's not by hard work...
Wow. That's really insulting to us business owners that work hard. :mad:
I wonder how many people who have built up their own business would agree. Its easy to collect a paycheck, and bitch about how easy the boss has it.

[78Eliminator]

Uninstall your program if you decide to leave. They might have made copies of it if you leave the source media there every night. If you leave and you are suspicious that they might be using your copy, call the software manufacturer and tell them that you think they are using your software illegally. The fines for using illegal software (high dollar stuff) should be enough to scare them into buying a copy. There are also groups that have legal authority to audit a business to make sure ALL the software is legally installed and licensed.
Man, that got me riled, that is complete horse shit. I have been in IT for 12 years and NEVER had to buy anything myself. Do they make you buy the materials for whatever you design too?

[gabe1]

What type of biz znd industry are you in.

[topless]

Since the new position is paying more, put in your resume. :D

[Pussywhippled]

Wow. That's really insulting to us business owners that work hard. :mad:
I wonder how many people who have built up their own business would agree. Its easy to collect a paycheck, and bitch about how easy the boss has it.
Then get mad...
But I have ample business experience to back up my comments.
I have owned my own business for two months now and it is going great. I am my own boss, I work my own hours, and nobody tells me what to do.
I work out of my van and I have my own tools and cleaners.
If you are wondering what I do... I clean the call boxes on the side of the freeways.

[v-drive]

If the employer bought the equipment they would have probably worked a deal for the program and training of such......I would have.....v-drive

[superdave013]

how much for a bootleg copy? :D

[riverbound]

Wow. That's really insulting to us business owners that work hard. :mad:
I wonder how many people who have built up their own business would agree. Its easy to collect a paycheck, and bitch about how easy the boss has it.
I agree. Businees dont just build themselves. it takes lots of hard work to make a business succeed. but people with attitudes like that make it much easier for hard working people to succeed. :D

[DelawareDave]

I am the only one that uses the software. I am the only here who knows how to. The original is at home in my safe. It is not a matter of my supplying the software for my own use. I would rather use something I am familiar with. But my objection is them "assuming" the use of it for anyone they feel like bringing in, and then expecting me to make it so they can.

[DelawareDave]

If the employer bought the equipment they would have probably worked a deal for the program and training of such......I would have.....v-drive
When they offered me the position, they offered to buy a new computer for me to use, since their equipment was obsolete, and would not even run the software. They were still using DOS cad programs. And what is worse, the "owner" who went and purchased the computer liked the 19" LCD monitor so much, he took it home, and brought in a used POS from his house. But I did convince one of the other real owners after a while that the monitor was making my eyes hurt cause the picture jumped around, and they went and bought a new 19" LCD for me.

[Mandelon]

Then get mad...
But I have ample business experience to back up my comments.
I have owned my own business for two months now and it is going great. I am my own boss, I work my own hours, and nobody tells me what to do.
I work out of my van and I have my own tools and cleaners.
If you are wondering what I do... I clean the call boxes on the side of the freeways.
I thought they had guys in the DUI and community service do that. :D
Just FYI, two months is not ample business experience. You don't have employees? You don't have to meet payroll? You don't have guys standing around yakking while they are on the clock? You don't have to chase slow paying accounts or get new ones? You don't get audited by workers comp and the liabililty provider every single year?
So you just got lucky and didn't have to work at getting the contract? Wait until you get more contracts, you know, by luck. And hire more guys....
So you own your own business and you really think your statement is true:
Most business owners are lucky to get where they got, and most of the time it's not by hard work... :confused:
Man--->apparently just unlucky, and shaking his head<----delon

[OutCole'd]

ISo you own your own business and you really think your statement is true:
Most business owners are lucky to get where they got, and most of the time it's not by hard work... :confused:
Man--->apparently just unlucky, and shaking his head<----delon
You're not alone... For me it was really easy. I just opened the doors and customers began flocking into the store throwing money at me. Employee's are never late & always happy to give 110%...... Hell, during the first few years, all I did was play solitare in my office all day & read comics.

[Pussywhippled]

You're not alone... For me it was really easy. I just opened the doors and customers began flocking into the store throwing money at me. Employee's are never late & always happy to give 110%...... Hell, during the first few years, all I did was play solitare in my office all day & read comics.
See somebody that finally agrees with me... I work really hard for about the 3 hours a day M-W-F that I work.

[C-2]

There is a certain amount of luck - even Bill Gates agrees. I believe putting yourself in the correct position increases your chances of luck, but luck and greed are sometimes part of the equation too.

[CornWater]

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[Mandelon]

See somebody that finally agrees with me... I work really hard for about the 3 hours a day M-W-F that I work.
If that pays your bills and you're satisfied, that's great, but now you say you are working hard.....even if you only work 9 hours a week.
Not to belittle what you are doing, but you are essentially a service tech, not a business manager or owner that is growing a business despite the flood of hassles that pour in the door everyday from employees, and OSHA, and the IRS and the state, and the insurance companies and from vendors, and from customers who don't get it..........
Luck? I guess I am lucky I don't look like JBB's avatar. Some days if it weren't for bad luck, we wouldn't have any at all.

[Biglue]

how much for a bootleg copy? :D
That's what I was thinking. :idea:

[ChumpChange]

See somebody that finally agrees with me... I work really hard for about the 3 hours a day M-W-F that I work.
There is a difference in what you are doing and what Mandelon and OutCole'd are doing. They are business owners. I would consider you self employed. You rely on yourself to make money and that is it. Yes, you are technically a business owner but it doesn't seem that you have the problems of running a business as you just run yourself. Good luck to you on your venture. I didn't even know those call boxes worked anymore now that most people have cell phones. *311

[Pussywhippled]

You are not a business manager or owner that is growing a business despite the flood of hassles that pour in the door everyday from employees, and OSHA, and the IRS and the state, and the insurance companies and from vendors, and from customers who don't get it..........
Mandelon,
I will appologize right now in front of God and everybody before this goes to far, and if and when we meet up I owe you and OutCole'd a beer.
Oh but I am a business owner and I deal with everything you just mentioned and also more as you could imagine for the past 14 years of being in business.
IRS - Been there and done that with the payroll taxes... LOL
State of California - They will just Levy they don't care...
State Board of Equalization - They want their collected sales tax weather you collected it or already spent it.
Workers Comp - Audits, been there and done that, Paychex now handles it all for me...
Customers - They are all my bosses, and yes I still get yelled at and sometimes have to take it...
Collecting $$$ - Don't wanna go there... If I could just close the doors for two months, have no employees or expenses and let the receivables come in, I could open back up with a wad of cash. But it won't and can't happen
Vendors - I can always get more customers, but I need my vendors...
Employees - Are the best tools and the worst at being consistant...
Here's a couple of good employee examples:
Employee - at 9:30am "I have to go to court"
Me - "When?"
Employee - "Right now..."
Me - "How long have you known about this?"
Employee - "A while..."
Employee - Thursday at 1:00pm " I have to quit"
Me - "Why?"
Employee - "I'm moving"
Me - "Really... When and where"
Employee - "Tomorrow... North Carolina, can I get my checks."
Employee - Friday 3:00pm "I have to quit."
Me - "Why?"
Employee - "My mom is sick, I have to go to Mexico."
Me - "Really... Oh my god what's wrong with her?"
Employee - "She's sick, can I get my checks"
And as far as the ultimate goal of owning my own business, and me getting paid, please...
After being my own boss for this long I want a new job... I want to clean out ashtrays at a casino and have no pressure.

[Mandelon]

So you aren't lucky, you just are smarter than me. :D You got tired of working hard.....:idea:
I think another couple of years, when this REO boomlet has played out, I am going to downsize. Maybe keep two guys, and use a few well chosen subs.
Custom garages is what I am thinking.

[Pussywhippled]

So you aren't lucky, you just are smarter than me. :D You got tired of working hard.....:idea:
Here's the goal.
Work less (physically) and get paid more.
I'm trying to explain it to my kids, but they don't get it because everything is handed to them on a silver platter.
I tell them daddy doesn't get home till 8:00 at night for a reason.
You kids want nice things right? You have to have a motorcycle AND a quad? You want to go to Supercross right? "Yes we do daddy"
Well then who has to pay the price? "You do daddy..."
Mandelon,
You say I'm smarter than you? Right...
My kids still think I'm the Village Idiot.

[rmarion]

sounds like time to draft up your resume...........
get the hell out of dodge and leave them hanging.....

[Mandelon]

Here's the goal.
Work less (physically) and get paid more.
I'm trying to explain it to my kids, but they don't get it because everything is handed to them on a silver platter.
I tell them daddy doesn't get home till 8:00 at night for a reason.
You kids want nice things right? You have to have a motorcycle AND a quad? You want to go to Supercross right? "Yes we do daddy"
Well then who has to pay the price? "You do daddy..."
Mandelon,
You say I'm smarter than you? Right...
My kids still think I'm the Village Idiot.
What are you doing out until 8:00 at night? You start at 5:00?? :D :confused: I thought you worked 3 hours a day, 3 days a week?
Sounds dangerous doing callboxes in the dark......what's the real deal....??
Work from 12 to 3, then off to the bar until 7:30.......:devil:
If you can make a good living, buying motorcycles and quads and whipple chargers working 9 hours a week, where do I sign up????
Our neighbors here at the industrial park install those things, they have dozens of them here.

[ratso]

What are you doing out until 8:00 at night? You start at 5:00?? :D :confused: I thought you worked 3 hours a day, 3 days a week?
Sounds dangerous doing callboxes in the dark......what's the real deal....??
Work from 12 to 3, then off to the bar until 7:30.......:devil:
If you can make a good living, buying motorcycles and quads and whipple chargers working 9 hours a week, where do I sign up????
Our neighbors here at the industrial park install those things, they have dozens of them here.
Daddy don't get home til 8:00... but he sleeps all day til 5:00 lol...:D

[Mandelon]

Deleware Dave, sorry for the hijack of your thread. I think you should just go in and discuss it with your boss. Business owners are driven by the need to succeed. They need to pay the bills, and make a little profit, or there is no need to be in business.
You as an employee need to generate more than you cost, or you aren't worth keeping. If he can get to use your software for free, that adds to your value. Bosses don't want to pay you any more than they have to.
If you think you are worth more, go and ask for it.

[DelawareDave]

Deleware Dave, sorry for the hijack of your thread. I think you should just go in and discuss it with your boss. Business owners are driven by the need to succeed. They need to pay the bills, and make a little profit, or there is no need to be in business.
You as an employee need to generate more than you cost, or you aren't worth keeping. If he can get to use your software for free, that adds to your value. Bosses don't want to pay you any more than they have to.
If you think you are worth more, go and ask for it.
No apology needed. The entertainment factor is worth it. :D
My plan is to discuss this with my employer. I am not unhappy with them as far as employers go. It is a company where you almost have to go out of your way, or continue to screw up for a number of years before they terminate you. But I have worked for worse.
I have also worked for myself, and had several other opportunities to have my own business. I am just one of those people who prefer to work for someone else. When I feel the need to pick up and go, I can. I don't have the headaches associated with the responsibility of having my own business.
I am sure that I will reach an agreeable agreement with my employer in some way shape or form. I do my share, and go out of my way to make sure everything is done on time, even if it means going the extra mile.
I just think they could have been a little more up front with me instead of my wife calling and asking if I was about to be unemployed. For them to want to hire someone to replace an employee who is leaving is their perogative. But to assume that they can hire someone, and that person just go ahead and use my tools, without at least consulting me, is going a little too far. To me, that would be like hiring a new mechanic in your shop, at the same pay, putting them in the bay next to you, and saying, "Oh, by the way, the new tech is going to use your tools. I hope you don't mind". :jawdrop: Nuff said!

[Mandelon]

Cool. I think PussyWhippled was just yanking our chains there for some entertainment....:D
I would just be upfront and tell them what you have learned, and what you are wondering. Perhaps you are assuming something that is incorrect???

[Charley]

Just my humble opinion: A 2 month new business owner with no employees, working out of his Van who has the nerve to think he knows what it's like to own a business with employees with families with daily problems, bills, leases, depreciation, insurance, human resources, amongst about 3000 more things and further has the audacity to talk $hit on the gamble to payoff ratio is kinda like a teenage virgin boy outside a whorehouse saying he's gonna hit every hen in the house like they have never had it before....see ya in 5 minutes kid:jawdrop:
I dont care who I offend ....Unless it's an inherited business...someone saying that business owners dont deserve what they have is flat asinine.
To answer DelawareDave's original question...You should protect your program without a doubt, you should ask your employer point blank thier intentions...hopefully they can and will be honest with you, who knows, the answer may even surprise you. You should know however, that if your program is the valued part of what you bring to the table rather than your efforts, ability,attitude and or service, they may be looking to do what most successful companies do.... buy the equipment(program in this case) and hire someone cheaper, better, more available or whatever...the key is that heart to heart talk with the boss, hopefully out of respect he/she can clue you in on what they have in mind, who knows maybe they need some small changes from you to be happy, maybe they are looking to promote you etc...have the talk and good luck.

[HM]

Charley, Candy Mountain, Charley.

[Charley]

Cool. I think PussyWhippled was just yanking our chains there for some entertainment???
Did I just get Phil Henry-d?:D

[Charley]

Charley, Candy Mountain, Charley.
I still have my Organs :D

[OutCole'd]

Just my humble opinion: A 2 month new business owner with no employees, working out of his Van who has the nerve to think he knows what it's like to own a business with employees with families with daily problems, bills, leases, depreciation, insurance, human resources, amongst about 3000 more things and further has the audacity to talk $hit on the gamble to payoff ratio is kinda like a teenage virgin boy outside a whorehouse saying he's gonna hit every hen in the house like they have never had it before....see ya in 5 minutes kid:jawdrop:
I dont care who I offend ....Unless it's an inherited business...someone saying that business owners dont deserve what they have is flat asinine.
To answer DelawareDave's original question...You should protect your program without a doubt, you should ask your employer point blank thier intentions...hopefully they can and will be honest with you, who knows, the answer may even surprise you. You should know however, that if your program is the valued part of what you bring to the table rather than your efforts, ability,attitude and or service, they may be looking to do what most successful companies do.... buy the equipment(program in this case) and hire someone cheaper, better, more available or whatever...the key is that heart to heart talk with the boss, hopefully out of respect he/she can clue you in on what they have in mind, who knows maybe they need some small changes from you to be happy, maybe they are looking to promote you etc...have the talk and good luck.
Spoken like a big person. :D Very well said Charles.

[Pussywhippled]

Did I just get Phil Henry-d?:D
Doh...
To cover my ass from looking like an ass (I can do that on my own), I always read every post on here twice all the way to the end, then I retort.
There's alot of unscrupulous characters out there.

[Charley]

Doh...
To cover my ass from looking like an ass (I can do that on my own), I always read every post on here twice all the way to the end, then I retort.
There's alot of unscrupulous characters out there.
:eek: :eek: :D :D Well done:devil:

[DelawareDave]

To answer DelawareDave's original question...You should protect your program without a doubt, you should ask your employer point blank thier intentions...hopefully they can and will be honest with you, who knows, the answer may even surprise you. You should know however, that if your program is the valued part of what you bring to the table rather than your efforts, ability,attitude and or service, they may be looking to do what most successful companies do.... buy the equipment(program in this case) and hire someone cheaper, better, more available or whatever...the key is that heart to heart talk with the boss, hopefully out of respect he/she can clue you in on what they have in mind, who knows maybe they need some small changes from you to be happy, maybe they are looking to promote you etc...have the talk and good luck.
Valid point- but the software is only as good as the person who uses it. Garbage in, garbage out. I have been in my trade for over 35 years. The software is definately an improvement to the old methods. There was another person there, who's work left a lot to be desired. He screwed up about 75% of what he did. I rarely hear anything about mine, which is much preferred. The shop foreman did make a comment to me once about how something that was shop assembled went together like it was supposed to. That is about the best compliment I could expect from him. I can't say what he said about the stuff the other guy did. But the ironworkers came in there one time ready to drag him outside and beat him half to death, lol. That ain't a good thing! :2purples:
One of the "owners" did bring up this point to me- If I were to die tomorrow, or quit, or leave the company for whatever reason, they would be in a position where they would have to do something fast. He did suggest to me them buying my software from me. He asked what would it take, and I told him I hadn't really thought about it. I haven't heard anything about it since. Then I saw their classified ad. :(

[OCMerrill]

I have heard that said before.
My old company has had a hard time with mold production and finding/keeping employees since I left. The owner called my house last year asking me what I thought of coming back to work, and even offered me a 50% raise which was pretty substantial I thought.
Brian
Mold Production......Injection Molds?

[Charley]

Valid point- but the software is only as good as the person who uses it. Garbage in, garbage out. I have been in my trade for over 35 years. The software is definately an improvement to the old methods. There was another person there, who's work left a lot to be desired. He screwed up about 75% of what he did. I rarely hear anything about mine, which is much preferred. The shop foreman did make a comment to me once about how something that was shop assembled went together like it was supposed to. That is about the best compliment I could expect from him. I can't say what he said about the stuff the other guy did. But the ironworkers came in there one time ready to drag him outside and beat him half to death, lol. That ain't a good thing! :2purples:
One of the "owners" did bring up this point to me- If I were to die tomorrow, or quit, or leave the company for whatever reason, they would be in a position where they would have to do something fast. He did suggest to me them buying my software from me. He asked what would it take, and I told him I hadn't really thought about it. I haven't heard anything about it since. Then I saw their classified ad. :(
DelewareDave, I don't want you to think I was implying anything about your talent, just to ask yourself the honest question "how good am I"? sounds like you are pretty good, which weighs heavily in your favor...Hopefully the relationship is good enough between you and your employer to get straight answers, I still suggest the heart to heart talk :D

[HM]

I still have my Organs :D
Charley, it will be an adventure, Charley. Shun the non-believer....shun. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4)

[Mandelon]

Ya can't blame the guy for having a backup plan, sounds like without you they'd be in deep doo doo. What if you got hired away or turned out to be a pycho killer??? For his own good he ought to have two of you guys knowing what the heck they are doing.
Try to look at it from his perspective, he may not be trying to screw you, just cover his own arse. :idea:

[Mandelon]

Charley, it will be an adventure, Charley. Shun the non-believer....shun. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4)
That's just fukkin odd. :eek:

[OCMerrill]

DelewareDave, I don't want you to think I was implying anything about your talent, just to ask yourself the honest question "how good am I"? sounds like you are pretty good, which weighs heavily in your favor...Hopefully the relationship is good enough between you and your employer to get straight answers, I still suggest the heart to heart talk :D
I know I was good at smashing my green forklift into one of your employees classic cars. :D :D

[Formula Dude]

Valid point- but the software is only as good as the person who uses it. Garbage in, garbage out. I have been in my trade for over 35 years. The software is definately an improvement to the old methods. There was another person there, who's work left a lot to be desired. He screwed up about 75% of what he did. I rarely hear anything about mine, which is much preferred. The shop foreman did make a comment to me once about how something that was shop assembled went together like it was supposed to. That is about the best compliment I could expect from him. I can't say what he said about the stuff the other guy did. But the ironworkers came in there one time ready to drag him outside and beat him half to death, lol. That ain't a good thing! :2purples:
One of the "owners" did bring up this point to me- If I were to die tomorrow, or quit, or leave the company for whatever reason, they would be in a position where they would have to do something fast. He did suggest to me them buying my software from me. He asked what would it take, and I told him I hadn't really thought about it. I haven't heard anything about it since. Then I saw their classified ad. :(
Set up a meeting with your employer. Voice your points and concerns, go on record. Whatever is agreed upon (if anything), make sure its in writing. Before you sign, take it to an attorney and have it looked over. I just gave up 16 years of my life for something similar to your situation. I'm not trying to be negative but usually your gut feelings are correct.
In my case (from 10/06), everything is in writing. If the individual or company is honest, they will have no problems with the written part. It's to protect both of you. Unfortunately, those days of the "handshake deals" are gone.

[wsuwrhr]

Mold Production......Injection Molds?
Counter pressure casting molds-CPC casting.
In my past life 94-2003-4-5(?) I used to work for American Eagle Wheels.
Good job, before lower cost China wheels started taking over.
Brian

[Dave C]

You own the license. enough said.
If they want someone else to use the program then they need to buy another license..... so they should fork over $40,000 to get one. Tell them you only accept cash....... :D ;)

[C-2]

You own the license. enough said.
If they want someone else to use the program then they need to buy another license..... so they should fork over $40,000 to get one. Tell them you only accept cash....... :D ;)
That's what I was thinking too.
Just be sure on who owns what, including yourself, before yanking a $40K program off a company computer. Police tend to arrest first then ask questions later.