130+ mph Flatbottom!

[adjones419]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HALLETT-V-DRIVE-FLAT-BOTTOM-DRAG-RACE-BOAT-510-BBC_W0QQitemZ280086992483QQihZ018QQcategoryZ31270Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Moneypitt]

130 with 23 gears? Doubtful...............MP

[dmontzsta]

I dont know about 130mph, but it looks like a pretty good deal, if the motor is what it is. It is driven off the flywheel though, that is a downside and should be switched around.

[adjones419]

130 with 23 gears? Doubtful...............MP
That's what I thought. Carburetors seem small for a 510, but then again we run 1050 Dominators on everything from our 468 to 522.

[gn7]

130 with 23 gears? Doubtful...............MP
I own 22 and 25's, looks like 23's are the hot set up big top end numbers

[Moneypitt]

I own 22 and 25's, looks like 23's are the hot set up big top end numbers
You can never be sure. You know Mitch is always looking to make that buck!! Seems to me, the Ks run about twice that gear to run a little faster than that, TWICE!! Maybe they're turbojet 23s??? Or maybe the guys full of shit.......I said maybe.........MP

[adjones419]

Or maybe the guys full of shit.......I said maybe.........MP
There must be an ebay formula for calculating top speed that I don't know about?

[gn7]

should be a formula for calculating how full of $hit the $eller is

[LeE ss13]

I think that might just be the fastest recorded Barron Sprint ever !!!

[Racey]

I dont know about 130mph, but it looks like a pretty good deal, if the motor is what it is. It is driven off the flywheel though, that is a downside and should be switched around.
Definitley a little bit of a downside, especially if you wanna race it, cam swap and just make the engine reverse rotation!!! no screwing with fabricating new motor mounts.:D

[Lookin for Liquid]

I would probably bet my life it hasn't seen 130 mph....might have seemed like it being a true flatbottom without the air runners. The 130-140 range requires aluminum heads with extensive work......the best I have ever seen was 128 with steel heads and that was a runner bottom. In order to go 130 with 22 gears you are in the 8000 rpm range..........................just a guess tho!

[77charger]

The 130-140 range requires aluminum heads with extensive work......the best I have ever seen was 128 with steel heads and that was a runner bottom. In order to go 130 with 22 gears you are in the 8000 rpm range..........................just a guess tho!
agree been there myself but ran 132 and 134 and as you know it wasnt no normal lake boat but a drag race only deal and it went to 9k plus the 006 boat went 134 also but that had .25s and it was near 8k rpm

[stix818]

True dat Lookin for Liquid. You can run 130 with 18s but you have to buzz the thing through the roof!!!!!!!!!!

[rrrr]

Like dmon says, $10K looks like an OK price for what it is.
Whaddya think it will run?

[fc-pilot]

What a shame, it probably is a decent little boat but they had to throw in the 130 MPH thing to screw it up. It would probably be a fun little lake or river runner without too much work. Still can't get past the 130+MPH thing.
Paul

[WannabeRacing]

I don't have my measuring stick out, but it sure looks like those strakes are illegal height for turning left. So my guess is that it was never set up to turn left.
I would love to see it make those numbers on a dyno now, and would love to see it try and hit 130. But for that price, it is a nice boat.
Like Paul said, he screwed it up with the 130mph thing.

[adjones419]

What a shame, it probably is a decent little boat but they had to throw in the 130 MPH thing to screw it up. It would probably be a fun little lake or river runner without too much work. Still can't get past the 130+MPH thing.
Paul
Exactly! Wouldn't be a bad little toy at all for the lake/river, but it seems to me he screwed himself by adding the 130 mph sentence. Kind of a red flag, don't ya think?

[pixrthis]

His tow vehicle must haul ass because the only way it's ever been 130 is on the trailer.

[waterloged]

So, somebody here needs to call the guy and yank his chain!

[adjones419]

So, somebody here needs to call the guy and yank his chain!
If someone does, you gotta give us the play by play on what he says!

[Moneypitt]

Exactly! Wouldn't be a bad little toy at all for the lake/river, but it seems to me he screwed himself by adding the 130 mph sentence. Kind of a red flag, don't ya think?
So, somebody here needs to call the guy and yank his chain!
If someone does, you gotta give us the play by play on what he says!
If anyone is truly interested in owning those rare, (non existant), 23 gears with that boat wrapped around them, tell him you'll give him his price, but you want to go for a ride. Take a GPS, and for every mile an hour UNDER 130 you'll knock off $500. bucks.......That should get the price down considerably........But I'm betting he has an excuse for everything and would not even get it wet prior to purchase. And I agree, it could be a cool boat, but after the 130 statement his credibility took a real shit........MP

[GofastRacer]

The boat is in Hemet someone ought to go look at it!... I would but......:rolleyes:

[Lookin for Liquid]

True dat Lookin for Liquid. You can run 130 with 18s but you have to buzz the thing through the roof!!!!!!!!!!
Just for sake of arguement about gearing or lack of...it is all about horsepower..plain and simple! The more power you have and are able to attain a higher rpm range at a safer level you can drop the gear and also grab the ET. We have run 143 with 22 gears and yes the motor was "running through the roof" at over 9000 rpm.
Ahhh...the good old days!....Stix!...tell your Dad I said Hello!

[scottys]

True dat Lookin for Liquid. You can run 130 with 18s but you have to buzz the thing through the roof!!!!!!!!!!
Ya Ya now get back to school.Hows the new job?

[GofastRacer]

Well according to the math, with a 15" pitch prop, 10% slip, 23 gears you would turn 8300r's at 130.51!..

[fc-pilot]

Well according to the math, with a 15" pitch prop, 10% slip, 23 gears you would turn 8300r's at 130.51!..
Then it looks like I need to find a set of 23 gears then. :p I am sure I could build a stock 454 that would be up for the task.:eek:
Paul

[vee-driven]

i was wondering the other day when a thread ripping this guy a new one was gonna pop up.

[Moneypitt]

Well according to the math, with a 15" pitch prop, 10% slip, 23 gears you would turn 8300r's at 130.51!..
Getting a BBC to rev 8300 under power with 23s (22s or 25s), aint all that simple. I think that would be the issue with that boat/motor/gear combo. And Art, you may be a little kind with the 10% slip factor............Just a guess, MP

[GofastRacer]

Getting a BBC to rev 8300 under power with 23s (22s or 25s), aint all that simple. I think that would be the issue with that boat/motor/gear combo. And Art, you may be a little kind with the 10% slip factor............Just a guess, MP
And if you get realistic, with 15% slip and a 24 gear, that makes it 8800 at 130.25.

[Moneypitt]

And if you get realistic, with 15% slip and a 24 gear, that makes it 8800 at 130.25.
Even with the correction the speed seems a bit off........But, as mentioned earlier, it could be a cool boat, even if it only goes 90, still a cool boat if it is in fact a turn key deal..............MP

[T-Bag'n]

I ran consistantly 8400 rpm at 137-140mph 22%gears and a 11x16 prop with a 523" BGF.

[stix818]

Just for sake of arguement about gearing or lack of...it is all about horsepower..plain and simple! The more power you have and are able to attain a higher rpm range at a safer level you can drop the gear and also grab the ET. We have run 143 with 22 gears and yes the motor was "running through the roof" at over 9000 rpm.
Ahhh...the good old days!....Stix!...tell your Dad I said Hello!
Will do. He's pretty excited for this year as I am also!!! Are you the one he talked to the other day about one of your boats??
Scotty, class is going great so far. Bummed that I won't be able to race the whole season this year but I guess I should be happy to still have a job!! How's everything going??

[Flat Hall'N]

Getting a BBC to rev 8300 under power with 23s (22s or 25s), aint all that simple. I think that would be the issue with that boat/motor/gear combo. And Art, you may be a little kind with the 10% slip factor............Just a guess, MP
How does one calculate prop slip?

[Moneypitt]

How does one calculate prop slip?
By the seat of your pants......Or, IF you have the other numbers you can figure it out from there. IF you know the Rs, and you know the speed, and you know the prop pitch, it's in the math. Trying to do it backward is just a guess.........The slip factor is how wet or dry the boat runs, how much drag the prop has to overcome to hook to the water, up river, down river, with the wind, against the wind all play a small part. Fresh and salt water are different too..........Different boats with the same prop will be different, just as different props on the same boat will be different.......Ask Dave Rankin why he spent two days at Irvine testing props!!!!!........Then ask yourself why his boat is always up front..............MP

[Flat Hall'N]

By the seat of your pants......Or, IF you have the other numbers you can figure it out from there. IF you know the Rs, and you know the speed, and you know the prop pitch, it's in the math. Trying to do it backward is just a guess.........The slip factor is how wet or dry the boat runs, how much drag the prop has to overcome to hook to the water, up river, down river, with the wind, against the wind all play a small part. Fresh and salt water are different too..........Different boats with the same prop will be different, just as different props on the same boat will be different.......Ask Dave Rankin why he spent two days at Irvine testing props!!!!!........Then ask yourself why his boat is always up front..............MP
I knew I could count on you to make it easy for me! Just Kidding and thanks for the input.

[Lookin for Liquid]

By the seat of your pants......Or, IF you have the other numbers you can figure it out from there. IF you know the Rs, and you know the speed, and you know the prop pitch, it's in the math. Trying to do it backward is just a guess.........The slip factor is how wet or dry the boat runs, how much drag the prop has to overcome to hook to the water, up river, down river, with the wind, against the wind all play a small part. Fresh and salt water are different too..........Different boats with the same prop will be different, just as different props on the same boat will be different.......Ask Dave Rankin why he spent two days at Irvine testing props!!!!!........Then ask yourself why his boat is always up front..............MP
Dont forget that little equation of gear ratio too

[Moneypitt]

Dont forget that little equation of gear ratio too
I could say that was included in the "math", but that wouldn't be true. An oversight on my part to not include the gears........No, No wait, it was a test, yeah thats it a test, and you passed!!!!

[GofastRacer]

I ran consistantly 8400 rpm at 137-140mph 22%gears and a 11x16 prop with a 523" BGF.
That's with a slippage of 10-12%!..

[mouzer]

its BUY IT NOW IS $9999..HMMM I BETTER RUN OVER THERE ITS 1/2 HR FROM HERE..:D :D

[FLYTE RISK]

I could say that was included in the "math", but that wouldn't be true. An oversight on my part to not include the gears........No, No wait, it was a test, yeah thats it a test, and you passed!!!!
T Bag said it all READ HIS POST!
I am sure Guru will attest alot of the comp flats, ski flats, progas flats, depending on weather and water (phoenix) run no more than a 22 and as low as a 12 and still run 130 plus. The Looky lou boat(an old Hondo) picked up E.T as well as M.P.H a few years back at the drags something like an 8.18 @ 134 m.p.h going from a 22 to an 18. You simply cannott compare a K boat to a drag boat!! IMHO ;) :D

[fc-pilot]

If this thing were a runner bottom with a PGF motor in it I would have kept my mouth shut, but being a circle style hull and a standard Chevy setup it is a hard pill to swallow. It really is a shame, had he left out that one line I bet it would sell for quite a bit more. It still could be a cool boat. I hope somebody that knows what to do with it ends up buying it.
Paul

[GofastRacer]

You simply cannott compare a K boat to a drag boat!! IMHO ;) :D
That goes for any circle boat, two totally different animals!..
:)

[Warlockjer]

The boat is in Hemet someone ought to go look at it!... I would but......:rolleyes:
Lets get it Art and put it in Steves little shop!!!:D

[Bt273]

That's with a slippage of 10-12%!..
Call it what ever you want,but it did it in 7.60 seconds and have seen a high7.40's with that set up as well.Team Mullet rocks!!!

[roscoe p coltraine]

That goes for any circle boat, two totally different animals!..
:)
One gos straight another goes in circles right?

[Monkey Bung]

I ran consistantly 8400 rpm at 137-140mph 22%gears and a 11x16 prop with a 523" BGF.
Look at Wally lurking and wanting to get back into a boat thats 18 feet:D

[Fiat48]

Something tells me if Wally was to come back....it would not be in a Hallet with a 23 gear.

[BIGCHRIS]

Something tells me if Wally was to come back....it would not be in a Hallet with a 23 gear.
I have to agree with you on that Bob

[HEMETDRAGRACER]

Just thought Id chime in... Im the one who listed it, I listed it for a buddy up in Hesperia, he says he has Dyno sheets on the engine, It was said to have gone that MPH when it had an injection set-up on it, He also said it ran a high mph for what it was, I dont know alot about boats, Im a Ashpalt drag racer, but I can tell you this guy has some very fast shit! The boat is back on ebay, at a cheaper price, hes only selling because he could use the cash right now, his # is on the auction if anyone would like to give him a call and get the history, Im told the boat was fairly well known before it was painted... As for the posted MPH being a turn off, thats probably my fault, I asked him how fast it had gone, and he said the timeslips he saw on it showed 130+... Thats all I have to go on...

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Just thought Id chime in... Im the one who listed it, I listed it for a buddy up in Hesperia, he says he has Dyno sheets on the engine, It was said to have gone that MPH when it had an injection set-up on it, He also said it ran a high mph for what it was, I dont know alot about boats, Im a Ashpalt drag racer, but I can tell you this guy has some very fast shit! The boat is back on ebay, at a cheaper price, hes only selling because he could use the cash right now, his # is on the auction if anyone would like to give him a call and get the history, Im told the boat was fairly well known before it was painted... As for the posted MPH being a turn off, thats probably my fault, I asked him how fast it had gone, and he said the timeslips he saw on it showed 130+... Thats all I have to go on...
Nice boat! It looks to me like a "cut down" Barron sprint like the PC-8 that Tommy Barron ran and Danny loveless's 130 mph PS boat. I think this hull could go 130+ with enough power and gear.
Freshen up that trailer and exploit how rare it is with its performance potential and I believe it would bring 10K+ (If its solid).
Danny's boat...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/Header%20pics.jpg
Bolt Nazi's "cut down" Barron...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/DSC00292.JPG
Dave Kahn's "non cut down" Barron...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/DSCF1098.JPG
Boat in question...
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/e2e9_3.jpg
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/normal_E_bay_barron.jpg
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/normal_ddcf_3.jpg

[rrrr]

Still think it's not too bad of a deal.......it's easy to spend way more than $10K to get a big inch flatty in good running condition.
If I was interested in being single I'd buy it......:D
Wifey sez there are too many boats in the shop as it is. :)

[HEMETDRAGRACER]

It really is a nice boat, but I wouldnt have the balls to ride in it much less pilot it! Im more into family style boats!(Open bow jets) Ill stick to going fast on ashpalt!!!

[wildfire555]

I was always partial to barron sprints. I broke a low deck in half and ripped the deck off it last year.

[wildfire555]

oh yeah. 29 gears 875hp and maybe 100mph on a long 1 1/4 straight away such as Cambridge, md

[dmontzsta]

How much? :D

[dossangers]

Here we go ill give it till tomorrow before its for SALE lets say 6500.00 ''Its got to go wife wants bow rider drag hydro''!! That thing will never see water with OL'MOUZ behind the wheel LOL!! :eek: :eek:

[Moneypitt]

I was always partial to barron sprints. I broke a low deck in half and ripped the deck off it last year.
Didn't you post some pics of that wreck?......I seem to remember you and your wife were both pitched out without jackets and survived......It is a good thing ol Mouzer will never get it near a ramp, cause he could get hurt, or worse.......Jeezzzzees, Mouzer, that beautiful B boat, and you bought a Barron!!!

[BILLY.B]

Let's see.....3 Barrons at this price or 1 hopped up Rhino. Wonder what i'd do?????. C'mon Mouzer, you've driven further for a whole lot less :D .

[MKEELINE]

Here we go ill give it till tomorrow before its for SALE lets say 6500.00 ''Its got to go wife wants bow rider drag hydro''!! That thing will never see water with OL'MOUZ behind the wheel LOL!! :eek: :eek:
See the Water??? Are you kidding me?.........Fred Sanford has never even been to a lake.

[Big Proppa]

Come on guys - I've personally seen 4 photo albums full of pictures of mouzer and his family on the water and another 4 of bad ass boats he's had from race tunnel jets to blown hydros. It's just a hobie guys, I don't see what the big deal is.
:D

[MKEELINE]

Come on guys - I've personally seen 4 photo albums full of pictures of mouzer and his family on the water and another 4 of bad ass boats he's had from race tunnel jets to blown hydros. It's just a hobie guys, I don't see what the big deal is.
:D
I thinks it's just comical the way he is always claiming to have found "the one" and then sells it before he even picks it up. It's not so funny when he askes for or accepts help from people on these boards only to move on to something else. He wastes these guys time and these are busy people with better things to do. Seriously I could give two shits what he does, just having some fun at his expense.

[Jetboatguru]

I thinks it's just comical the way he is always claiming to have found "the one" and then sells it before he even picks it up. It's not so funny when he askes for or accepts help from people on these boards only to move on to something else. He wastes these guys time and these are busy people with better things to do. Seriously I could give two shits what he does, just having some fun at his expense.
I think he's a complete jack ass!

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

For those who missed it, mouzer posted (then deleted) that he bought this boat and it was in his driveway....:notam:

[dmontzsta]

For those who missed it, mouzer posted (then deleted) that he bought this boat and it was in his driveway....:notam:
I have been checking the recycler and it is not in there yet. :)

[HEMETDRAGRACER]

Its gone and it looks like its new owner is well loved around here... Im just glad someone bought it, it really was a nice boat, I actually had some pics I was gonna post of it in the water, for the people that said it had never seen water, anyways, good BS'n with you all!

[Big Proppa]

ya post some pics of it on the water -

[dossangers]

We want to see OL"MOUZ driv'in it on the water we know the boats capable but MOUZ???????

[Squeezing Spectra]

We want to see OL"MOUZ driv'in it on the water we know the boats capable but MOUZ???????
Come on we know that wont happen it will be for sale by monday LOL :D

[v-drive]

I think he's a complete jack ass!
Have you ever been called that before Mouz? :D :coffeycup v-drive

[Big Proppa]

ok I've stared at it in the garage for the last hour - what's cut down?

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

ok I've stared at it in the garage for the last hour - what's cut down?
Ok, everyone, if he still has the boat in a year, we'll tell him what "cut down" means.;)
no not buying and selling again, just saw a great opportunity twice in 1 week
:D
i'm keeping her (famous last words right?)

[Big Proppa]

Nevermind, it's not that important.

[Big Proppa]

Thanks V-drive video i just watched River rats 2 - and now know what cut down means. Is it true that their were only 5 of these made? wow that would be pretty cool.
:D

[wildfire555]

Didn't you post some pics of that wreck?......I seem to remember you and your wife were both pitched out without jackets and survived......It is a good thing ol Mouzer will never get it near a ramp, cause he could get hurt, or worse.......Jeezzzzees, Mouzer, that beautiful B boat, and you bought a Barron!!!
I never drove a v-drive flattbottom with out a jacket or with my wife.
Woody

[Jetboatguru]

Hey WILDFIRE55,
do you race? Is that the original Wildfire?

[wildfire555]

Hey WILDFIRE55,
do you race? Is that the original Wildfire?
I do race. The boat in the avatar is Showboat K-555. It is owned by Bob Zabady. I believe it was the last Wildfire campaighned by the Late George Stratton and Gregory.

[Jetboatguru]

I do race. The boat in the avatar is Showboat K-555. It is owned by Bob Zabady. I believe it was the last Wildfire campaighned by the Late George Stratton and Gregory.
Any chance of you racing Burley this year?