Ihba

[Johnwithjm]

Anyone know who IHBA is gonna have as a fuel sponser this year?

[Jetboatguru]

Why John? You usually only need enough fuel to go 1 round!!!!:D

[Johnwithjm]

Why John? You usually only need enough fuel to go 1 round!!!!:D
Come on by so you can polish my trophy for me. P.S stop calling all the time.

[Jetboatguru]

Come on by so you can polish my trophy for me. P.S stop calling all the time.
I got yer polish John. I got the messages you left here today.

[Johnwithjm]

I got yer polish John. I got the messages you left here today.
Yeah the message was stop calling me Tony. Give Robert a call he will talk with you.

[Jetboatguru]

Yeah the message was stop calling me Tony. Give Robert a call he will talk with you.
LOL!
You really need a friend John.

[stoker2001]

Anyone know who IHBA is gonna have as a fuel sponser this year?CF mentioned at the Vegas banquet that it was allegedly going to be Torco Fuels (maybe Busby is in on this)?Hope we dont have to go across the Highway like we did at last years WFs:rolleyes:

[Cs19]

Why John? You usually only need enough fuel to go 1 round!!!!:D
nice!! :)

[TAF]

LOL!
You really need a friend John.
You can meet me and my friends over in Benchracers......:) :sqeyes:

[Johnwithjm]

You can meet me and my friends over in Benchracers......:) :sqeyes:
We have met before. My goal is to go 2 rounds this year.

[TAF]

We have met before. My goal is to go 2 rounds this year.
I thought we had:idea: :D I was just joking w/ ya:) .
See ya in 3:D weeks

[Johnwithjm]

I thought we had:idea: :D I was just joking w/ ya:) .
See ya in 3:D weeksI will come by and say hello. Hopefully Tony will not be there:D

[TAF]

I will come by and say hello. Hopefully Tony will not be there:D
friend?:D I'll understand. :idea: :D

[BUSBY]

CF mentioned at the Vegas banquet that it was allegedly going to be Torco Fuels (maybe Busby is in on this)?Hope we dont have to go across the Highway like we did at last years WFs:rolleyes:
Conference call tomorrow morning w/ corporate hq ... CF is informing racers that Torco is the official fuel, yet he was vague when responding to the bid ... wasn't definate ...
I'll know more tomorrow & hopefully a press release will be ready in the next couple of days ... I'll post up here when it's finalized.
Not sure about having it on site due to Firebird's contract w/ VP ... but possibly the casino parking lot? We'll have to see what happens.
BB

[garret]

Gas is for lawn mowers

[BUSBY]

Fegan promotes LakeFest so he can make arrangements with whatever fuel supplier he wants ... Charlie Allen promotes the World Finals and determines who the fuel supplier is for that race.
We only run VP and buy it here in Phoenix from our local distributor.
Interesting ... according to CF & the rules last year, I understood that you were only supposed to run Sunoco ...
If there is a spec fuel & the contract w/ IHBA states that racers are supposed to run that spec fuel ... why would a racer go against the rules and run something else? Isn't that cause for disqualification from competition?
That's why fuel companies are putting up the $$$ for the contract ... to become the official spec fuel ... seems like Sunoco was cheated by you last year, unfair IMO.
As I said, interesting insight ...

[BUSBY]

wait a minute Jak ... you deleted your post???
funny ...

[pattymelt18]

Interesting ... according to CF & the rules last year, I understood that you were only supposed to run Sunoco ...
If there is a spec fuel & the contract w/ IHBA states that racers are supposed to run that spec fuel ... why would a racer go against the rules and run something else? Isn't that cause for disqualification from competition?
That's why fuel companies are putting up the $$$ for the contract ... to become the official spec fuel ... seems like Sunoco was cheated by you last year, unfair IMO.
As I said, interesting insight ...
SO IM CONFUSED, YOU HAVE TO PARTICULARLY RUN THE FUEL BRAND THAT IS SPONSORING THAT EVENT OR THAT WOULD BE CAUSE FOR DQ. JUST A QUESTION?

[Cs19]

SO IM CONFUSED, YOU HAVE TO PARTICULARLY RUN THE FUEL BRAND THAT IS SPONSORING THAT EVENT OR THAT WOULD BE CAUSE FOR DQ. JUST A QUESTION?
That is the way I understood it but Ive never had a fuel check the 3 times I have ran there.

[bp]

SO IM CONFUSED, YOU HAVE TO PARTICULARLY RUN THE FUEL BRAND THAT IS SPONSORING THAT EVENT OR THAT WOULD BE CAUSE FOR DQ. JUST A QUESTION?
part of the deal is the contingency that goes along with it. if there's an agreement to buy fuel at the track, they provide contingency awards for the racers. years past, it was a contingency for product. last year with whoever we had, it was cash. the whole deal is to run the brand, because they're the people providing the contingency. plus, ihba wants people to get the fuel at the track to avoid litigation...

[BUSBY]

Drag Boat racing is only one of numerous types of racing events that Torco supplies fuel to. Over the past year, I have been introduced to so many different types of motorsports events it's crazy.
There are a few things to remember when it comes to any kind of racing:
1. Competitors race for pride in their class as much as they run for money or prizes.
2. Competition should be fair and balanced
3.Spec fuel means "specified fuel" by the sanctioning body ... this keeps the playing field even when running a class
If the racers do not like it, don't blame the fuel companies, speak to the racing organization ... if they (the sanctioning body) offer it up for bid, it's fair for the winning bidder to expect to get what they have a contract for from the organization (in this case, to be the specified fuel) ...

[Johnwithjm]

All I want to know is what kind of fuel I need to buy for IHBA. I wish they would make up there mind soon.

[pce680]

Last year Sunoco was the IHBA fuel sponsor and they posted the contingency.Firebird has a contract with VP and Sunoco had to sell its fuel across the freeway at the gas station back parking lot.They were only there until noon on sunday.

[hang tight]

I thought you can bring your fuel, but if you needed fuel thats who's there ?

[BUSBY]

Last year Sunoco was the IHBA fuel sponsor and they posted the contingency.Firebird has a contract with VP and Sunoco had to sell its fuel across the freeway at the gas station back parking lot.They were only there until noon on sunday.
Correct ...

[BUSBY]

I thought you can bring your fuel, but if you needed fuel thats who's there ?
According to Charlie ... the spec fuel is the spec fuel, and the racers are supposed to use that fuel, not another brand. Now ... where you buy that brand is up to you & if you bring it or buy it there.
It will of course be more expensive at the track due to the costs accociated with permits, employee costs, transportation, etc.
Now if people have got away with it in the past, they got away with it. But they shouldn't have IMO.
And to answer everyone's question, we have no answer ... we would love to finalize this, our Western Regional Manager is still awaiting an answer from Charlie at this point.

[hang tight]

According to Charlie ... the spec fuel is the spec fuel, and the racers are supposed to use that fuel, not another brand. Now ... where you buy that brand is up to you & if you bring it or buy it there.
It will of course be more expensive at the track due to the costs accociated with permits, employee costs, transportation, etc.
Now if people have got away with it in the past, they got away with it. But they shouldn't have IMO.
And to answer everyone's question, we have no answer ... we would love to finalize this, our Western Regional Manager is still awaiting an answer from Charlie at this point.
I see your point.
any truth to the rumor IHBA in in trouble because of the lawsuit ?

[BUSBY]

rumors are just that ... rumors ...
and I don't know the answer to your question, I'm sure only Charlie and the IHBA legal staff would know that ...

[Willis]

April 5, 2007
Hello People,
Need some info about the IHBA starting lights.
When you, the racer, is at the line, can you see both lanes light and count down clocks?
What are the disadvantages of the way the clocks are viewed by the racer?
Should there be more space between the counts down display light?:idea:
Should there be a bezel around the display so you only see your lights and countdown clock?
:eek:

[Moose]

Looking at that count down setup was to distracting. IMHO they need to be spaced farther apart. I'm referring to the dual stage light setup that you posted it the video, not the NJBA lights.
Moose

[Johnwithjm]

This is what is posted on the IHBA site as of today. VP" IS THE OFFICIAL FUEL FOR IHBA

[Jetboatguru]

This is what is posted on the IHBA site as of today. VP" IS THE OFFICIAL FUEL FOR IHBA
John, have you found out who the official restaurant is since that is where you will be spending most of your time?:D :D

[Johnwithjm]

John, have you found out who the official restaurant is since that is where you will be spending most of your time?:D :D
Tony I have not heard from you in a few days you must not need anything. What ever restaurant it is you will follow me there for a free meal:D

[BUSBY]

This is correct.
I am actually relieved, we revisited our deal over the last 2 days and I am glad that VP won the bid.
Good luck this season.

[bp]

John, have you found out who the official restaurant is since that is where you will be spending most of your time?:D :D
gotta be marie calenders:D that's right, some people never forget...

[Xlration Marine]

I race cars over there, road race that is. And the VP dude is sitting there with a magic marker in his hand. And he only knows how to make an "X" and add more zero's. The price jumped $5.00 a gallon from sun rise to high noon. Help RAPE, RAPE!!

[Johnwithjm]

gotta be marie calenders:D that's right, some people never forget...
I vote for Marie calenders. That's right some people hate you:D :D :D

[Red Rocket]

I thought for sure you would pick Gilly's.

[Jetboatguru]

I vote for Marie calenders, Gilly's, Jack in the Box, In and Out and Pizza Hut. Damn whats for dessert? :D :D :D
Damn John, Thats a big Dinner:D

[cyclone]

April 5, 2007
Hello People,
Need some info about the IHBA starting lights.
When you, the racer, is at the line, can you see both lanes light and count down clocks?
What are the disadvantages of the way the clocks are viewed by the racer?
Should there be more space between the counts down display light?:idea:
Should there be a bezel around the display so you only see your lights and countdown clock?
:eek:
don't know about you guys but i end up moving as close to the starters barge as possible to get a direct line of sight with the lights. this means that unless the boat goes perfectly straight (yeah right) i have to steer it to make sure i stay in the lane.

[Johnwithjm]

Tony are you having another dinner party at your pit for Robert this year? That was very cool of you to honor him for teaching you everything you know about driving.

[Johnwithjm]

I thought for sure you would pick Gilly's.
It sounds like there is more action at Maries:D

[Jetboatguru]

Tony are you having another dinner party at your pit for Robert this year? That was very cool of you to honor him for teaching you everything you know about driving.
Why you gotta go there Coach?:D

[cyclone]

you guys ought to be married. :D

[Jetboatguru]

you guys ought to be married. :D
I couldn't afford the grocery bill!:D

[Johnwithjm]

you guys ought to be married. :D
Hell no. We hate each other way to much. Besides he is way to hairy for me:D

[cyclone]

I couldn't afford the grocery bill!:D
ah ha ha.

[cyclone]

Hell no. We hate each other way to much. Besides he is way to hairy for me:D
"Pot? Yeah this is Kettle. Call me back." :D

[Johnwithjm]

I couldn't afford the grocery bill!:D
This comming from a guy who if he has his wallet with him all the bills inside have sun glasses on because they never see the light of day.

[Jetboatguru]

Nice!!!!!:d :d

[77charger]

Tony are you having another dinner party at your pit for Robert this year? That was very cool of you to honor him for teaching you everything you know about driving.
I heard once that john guy showed you had to get your food right away cause there wasnt going to be anything left for the skinny folks.:D :)

[Cs19]

You call too much, not enough. you cant do anything right..

[Jetboatguru]

John,
I found some 2 for 1 coupons at Rustlers Roost. Me, Mike, Joey and Cory are gonna be there on Friday night. Come by and see us.

[UBFJ #454]

From the IHBA Website:
April 5, 2007
"VP" IS THE OFFICIAL FUEL FOR IHBA
All classes must use VP fuel. Fuel will be tested. No exceptions.
To order Nitro for Season Opener: Western States Petroleum: Susie Ingram GM 1-800-220-1353 or 1-602-252-4011
Yes, I did say: "We only run VP and buy it here in Phoenix from our local distributor.": Western States is based here in Phoenix and is our distributor.
And Yes, I did pull my post almost immediately after realizing that the IHBA/VP Deal had yet to be 'Officially Announced' and my post was inappropriate at that time ... The pulling of my post was me Correcting My Mistake.

[bp]

I vote for Marie calenders. That's right some people hate you:D :D :D
if it's only some people, i ain't workin hard enough... besides, jetboatguru likes me. us world champions gotta stick together...
o, i'm sorry, did you say something?:D

[BUSBY]

From the IHBA Website:
April 5, 2007
"VP" IS THE OFFICIAL FUEL FOR IHBA
All classes must use VP fuel. Fuel will be tested. No exceptions.
To order Nitro for Season Opener: Western States Petroleum: Susie Ingram GM 1-800-220-1353 or 1-602-252-4011
Yes, I did say: "We only run VP and buy it here in Phoenix from our local distributor.": Western States is based here in Phoenix and is our distributor.
And Yes, I did pull my post almost immediately after realizing that the IHBA/VP Deal had yet to be 'Officially Announced' and my post was inappropriate at that time ... The pulling of my post was me Correcting My Mistake.
Ahhh ... I see ... thanks for the clarification ... good to know that you were "in the know" ... funny until April 4th that IHBA racers were being told that Torco was the official fuel, and that the meetings w/ Torco at Lucas HQ w/ CF were not mentioned in your post ... being that you were "in the know" and the one to "officially announce" ... I'm sorry, "officially slip" the VP deal.
I think that you slipped alright ... :rolleyes:
If you all want to know the truth, CF went behind some backs within the Torco ranks and tried to get a better deal ... it just didn't work out. That is the simple truth.
As I said before, I am relieved that VP won ... it wasn't a professional deal by any means IMO.

[BUSBY]

us world champions gotta stick together...
wow! a world champion!

[pce680]

Does NJBA have a "official fuel" or can you run what you brung ?

[stoker2001]

VP fuels should be a good change as Sunoco was lame getting the contigencies paid (took six months),and they still owe me for the R/U at WFs.Not holding my breath:( :D

[pattymelt18]

VP fuels should be a good change as Sunoco was lame getting the contigencies paid (took six months),and they still owe me for the R/U at WFs.Not holding my breath:( :D
Good luck out there i will probably see you the world finals gotta get ready for the "Whacker Smacker" hopefully the outcome will be not the big red and we can really race.

[Willis]

Does NJBA have a "official fuel" or can you run what you brung ?
Ron,
Let's see what the rule book said.
Fuel
1. Any type of fuel may be used in bracket classes.
2. Nitrous oxide is allowed in bracket classes.:idea:
Willis

[BUSBY]

Does NJBA have a "official fuel" or can you run what you brung ?
you can run any fuel you want

[Willis]

Does NJBA have a "official fuel" or can you run what you brung ?
Ron,
You may want to look at what the NJBA considers gasoline to be, I mean the properties react and how NJBA tech guy will read it so everybody will be legal.
GASOLINE
Gasoline, as defined, is a mixture of hydrocarbons. Gasoline is a good electrical
Insulator, or dielectric, and its relative effectiveness as an insulator is represented by its dielectric
constant. The average D.C. for the hydrocarbons, which comprise gasoline, is 2.025. This is
defined as a reading of 0 with the NJBA fuel meter. To compensate for possible temperature
differences of gasoline, which cause slight variations of the D.C., the maximum acceptable meter
reading is +1, with 0 as the reference reading. A gasoline which has a D.C. greater than 2.3 will
cause the meter reading to be outside of this range. The addition of compounds containing
nitrogen and/or oxygen may produce a mixture of D.C. greater than 2.3. Most gasoline’s meet
these criteria. It is recommended that unknown gasoline be checked before use in competition.
Willis

[Jim Brock]

i used to run turbo blue, at a race were we had cool temp. they asked if i mixed my own gas, i said it came out of a turbo blue can direct,tech told me if i cooled the gas i would be disqualified, because it would be illegal,it was right on the border, so i had to change to vp were they got there base from.i couldn't take a chance

[stoker2001]

Good luck out there i will probably see you the world finals gotta get ready for the "Whacker Smacker" hopefully the outcome will be not the big red and we can really race.Josh,look forward to seeing you at WFs.You should try and run the San diego race in September as they might have a hard time filling the eight invites

[pattymelt18]

Josh,look forward to seeing you at WFs.You should try and run the San diego race in September as they might have a hard time filling the eight invites
Actually thinking about that because with a part time membership i can run two races and its closer than bakersfield for me.