Recapturing my youth by building a wood flatbottom

[johnmiller]

After last Christmas I started building an 18' wood flatbottom.
It has brought back many unforgetable memories of the good ole days of building wood boats and working with my dad. I found the frame templates and a loft board when I was cleaning out my dads garage after he passed away a few years ago. He built 2 of these boats in the late eighties, one of them belongs to Flatstupid.
If some of you are interested, I will post up pics from the start and explain things along the way.

[Beautiful Noise]

If some of you are interested, I will post up pics from the start and explain things along the way.
That would be Great seeing from Start to Finish:)

[Roaddogg 4040]

Kool... Start posting...:)
Steve

[wright on]

I dont know if your interested but I have a wood flatbottom in Fresno, Ca that needs to be restored. Has all hardware. Not sure what brand, was always, told that it was a belmont hull. Thru transom exaust. currently still has a 327 chevy engine all elderbrock accessories.

[78DiMarco]

Let's see some pic's John!!
I hope to see you tomorrow but I still have not received the parts!! :(

[johnmiller]

I already assembled all the frames using a loft board to align the frame pieces and engine stringer supports. I then had to build a jig that is used to line up all the frames and hold them in position with clamps while the keel, bow stem, batons, chine, and shear are installed.
Here are some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1000776.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/frames_2.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/jig_3.JPG

[johnmiller]

The keel and bow stem are installed next, then the battons, chine, and shear.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/battons.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1000797.JPG

[johnmiller]

I reinforced the bottom between the transom and first frame to allow for a recessed cavitation plate.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1000825.JPG

[wsuwrhr]

This is going to be cool

[creepingcharlie]

this is one cool :cool: thread. If someone could point out what keel, bow stem, battons, chine ,and shear are that would be great as I don't know what or where they are located. I got a lot to learn still. thanks

[Roaddogg 4040]

Do you have a picture of what this boat will look like when finished and what kind of power will you be puttting in it? Looks kool...
Steve

[Stab-n-Steer]

John,
Cool as hell!!! This is probably a stupid question but what kind of wood is used for the frames and keel?
Thanks,
S&S

[FLATMVN]

this is one cool :cool: thread. If someone could point out what keel, bow stem, battons, chine ,and shear are that would be great as I don't know what or where they are located. I got a lot to learn still. thanks
In the pics,
The keel is the 1x4 piece that runs down the center of the boat, if I am correct the Bow Stem is the piece ( darker wood ) that is connected to it that continues up to the front where the point of the nose will be.
The battons are all the 1x2 pieces that run the length of the boat to hold the frames to gether and add support.
The chine's are where the side and the botttom meet there is a piece added there for stregth and the Shear is the part that goes all the way around the top of the frames to join the sides , deck and transome together.
If I have been paying attention to John's other builds then 5 will be correct in this explanation. But if I am not I appoligise and will leave it to the expert's. I am just testing my knowledge.

[Roaddogg 4040]

Good job... Go to the head of the class:)
Steve...

[creepingcharlie]

In the pics,
The keel is the 1x4 piece that runs down the center of the boat, if I am correct the Bow Stem is the piece ( darker wood ) that is connected to it that continues up to the front where the point of the nose will be.
The battons are all the 1x2 pieces that run the length of the boat to hold the frames to gether and add support.
The chine's are where the side and the botttom meet there is a piece added there for stregth and the Shear is the part that goes all the way around the top of the frames to join the sides , deck and transome together.
If I have been paying attention to John's other builds then 5 will be correct in this explanation. But if I am not I appoligise and will leave it to the expert's. I am just testing my knowledge.
thanks for the break down.:D

[johnmiller]

Flatmvn your correct except the keel is actually a full 5" wide.
To answer another question about wood:
I use poplar for all the framing except for frame 5,6,& 7, they are oak, that area of the bottom gets the pounding!.
I also use oak for the engine stringers and their supports which you'll see later. The framing is a little over-kill (4 battons on each side,
frames are 18" on center). Boat is 17' 8" done the center.
All the framing I had finished by the end of Jan 2007. The following pics are of the sides and bottom skin. The sides have such a drastic bend
I have to glue 2 layers of 1/8" plywood to build them which is actually stronger than 1/4" plywood. The bottom is 7 layer 1/2" birch plywood.
I scarf all the plywood joints.
pics of the sides 1st layer then finished with second layer of 1/8" birch ply
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/sides_1.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/sides_5.JPG

[johnmiller]

And then the bottom plywood. I routed a 3/16" recess for the cav plate.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/bottom.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/scarf.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/recess.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

I just wet myself a little. Keep it coming.

[riverbound]

Awesome!!! Keep the pics coming. :D

[steelcomp]

What, you don't call, you don't write??? :D
Hey, I need to get by again and see the progress. I was going to get out there today, but just ran out of time. Glad to see you finally took the time to put up some pics.
I can testify to the fact that this is going to be one helluva cool little woody. I've seen this project come together from day one, and can say that John is a true craftsman. It's fun to see the enjoyment he's getting out of this, rembering what it was like to work with his dad. How cool, to build a flat bottom, all out of wood, from scratch!! His attention to detail will surely be reflected in the final outcome.
BTW...thanks again for all you help on the Spectra. :D

[DansBlown73Nordic]

Seeing your pictures of bending that plywood reminds me alot of my restoration of this 1961 Bank-Maxwell air-boat. This was bought for $50 and was a pile of FIREWOOD!!!!
http://i19.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/96/54/93b9_1.JPG

[DansBlown73Nordic]

http://i7.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/96/54/b58a_0.JPG

[stickmann]

This brings back memories for me too, as I used to build wood limited hydroplanes for Don Kelson in Seattle; the construction techniques are very similar.

[minimatt]

Looks great, John! This really brings it back some memories for me. I restored a 1962 Miller flat about 10 years ago. It looked very similar to what you are building. It also looks like you are improving the problem areas. Cleaning the inside of the boat is was really hard on the knees with all of those battens:D We ran a small block chevy with a Edelbrock Cross-Ram and a Hall-Craft box with 1:1 gears, which was how it was set up originally. 7,000 RPM's was 70 mph GPS. Plenty fast for us in an old wood boat.

[lilrick]

Wood!!!!!!!!!

[old rigger]

John what a great thread.
I always wanted to re-create the boat from my youth too, but never did. I thought that I had the skills to do it too until my son built a boat for his senior project 2 years ago, (I tried to talk him out of it by telling him I'd borrow a set of molds and he could build a glass boat, lol ) but I'm not so sure after watching/helping him.
My dads boat, Bullhead City, 1961, that I'd give damn near anything to have again...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/flyin-t/thumper1.jpg
And our son working away on his...I know it's light years from what you're doing on every level, but he sure had fun doing it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/flyin-t/march312005089.jpg
Will be checking daily on this thread to follow along. :)

[lilrick]

very cool pics Rich!

[johnmiller]

I really appreciate the compliments from all of you!!!
Steelcomp - (Scott) - Scotts boat is upside down next my woodie in the second pic I posted, it's a black 19' Spectra.
Oldrigger - Your son's boat project is cool. I can't think of any school that has wood projects like that!!! That's light years ahead!!!
Minimatt - your only about 5 miles from me, do you still have the wood Miller?
DansBlown73Nordic - Nice resto on the firewood: :D

[RiverDave]

This is without a doubt one of the coolest things I have ever seen on ***boat! Keep the pics coming! The more the better!
RD

[johnmiller]

I had all the wood sides and bottom done by mid-March
I also put a birch transom on it.
Here are some more pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/bottom2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/wood_done.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/birch_trans2.jpg

[Clearlake Kid]

Wow, i can't wait to see it when i come down............

[minimatt]

John, unfortunately I do not have most of the flatbottom anymore. The deck is now a headboard for my son's bed. It's a long story...... Maybe I'll come by your shop some time and show you some photos and tell you the story.

[johnmiller]

minimatt - recycling is good stuff!! Come on over any time.
Clearlake kid - see you and your boat in a few weeks!!!
I glassed the bottom and front sides a few weeks ago. In the old days we would put a layer of cloth, but I decided to put a layer of matt and cloth for extra strength. I also glassed the front sides while upside down, fair in and prime. I wrapped the glass over the chine and down the side an inch or so at the transom and the back 8' of the sides. Now when the boat is right side up I'll glass the birch sides and transom without having to overlap the glass at the chine or bottom.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/boat_glassed.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/front_primed.jpg

[johnmiller]

Before turning the boat over, I temporarily installed the strut and whip strut so I could drill the shaft hole.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/strut.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/shafthole1.jpg

[johnmiller]

I finished drilling the shaft hole and put a layer of matt and cloth in the hole and over the edge of the hole and faired in to the bottom so water couldn't rip the glass lose. When the boat is right side up, I'll do the same thing to the shaft hole on the inside where it comes through the keel.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/shafthole2.jpg

[DMOORE]

Fantastic job! It's always great to see a true craftsman at work. Thanks for all the photos. I may have missed it, but what running gear are you planning to hun in her? Hopefull you will stick with the old school theme.
Darrell.

[johnmiller]

I haven't mentioned running gear yet. The strut, whip strut, shaftlog, and v-drive are Hallcraft from the 60's. The strut is a special one built for us (Miller Boats) with the water pickup in the front web of the strut. I looked for the last 3 years and finally found this stuff. I haven't made up my mind on the motor but more than likely it will be a small block chevy, or a 390 ford. I'm not planning on putting a big HP motor in it, just want it to go 70+mph.
My son and I can pick the boat up (no deck yet) so I doubt the hull will weigh much more than 400 lbs.

[VD CRUISER]

John, the work you do is unbelievable. Thanks for sharing.

[steelcomp]

John,
Is this something you might build for the public, or is this just a one-off for yourself?
BTW...my vote is for the 390...but you already know that. :D

[johnmiller]

VD CRUISER - I appreciate the compliment!
HUFFPOWER - thanks I'll keep Bergeron Marine in mind for Hallcraft stuff.
John,
Is this something you might build for the public, or is this just a one-off for yourself?
BTW...my vote is for the 390...but you already know that. :D
This one is for me, but I could build wood boats for the public.
I haven't thought about it that much cause I'm having too much fun building it. :D

[johnmiller]

While the boat was upside down I also pre-installed the cavitation plate
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/cavplate.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/cavplate2.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

Just curious if you can answer.....
Why the single plate and not a split plate?

[minimatt]

John: I still have a lot of the hardware out of my '62 Miller, including the Hall-Craft v-drive. All of the cav. plate stuff was sold to go onto a '64 Miller. I also have a brand new Hall-Craft still in the original box (wrapped in 1974 LA Times newspaper). If are interested in any of it, let me know and I'll pull it all out. Still have my small block Chevy cross-ram intake manifold, too.

[johnmiller]

Just curious if you can answer.....
Why the single plate and not a split plate?
With what I plan on doing with my boat (HP wise), it's 6 of 1 and half dozen of the other. But it's a Dad thing, my dad didn't like splitting the plate, he didn't like 2 edges of the plate in the center, he believed those edges will cause a ride problem because you'll never be able to get them faired in with the keel of the boat. So we always used a one piece plate.

[johnmiller]

John: I still have a lot of the hardware out of my '62 Miller, including the Hall-Craft v-drive. All of the cav. plate stuff was sold to go onto a '64 Miller. I also have a brand new Hall-Craft still in the original box (wrapped in 1974 LA Times newspaper). If are interested in any of it, let me know and I'll pull it all out. Still have my small block Chevy cross-ram intake manifold, too.
Call me 431-2234! And come on over any time! :)

[johnmiller]

2 1/2 weeks ago my son and I got the boat off the jig and flipped right side up. I used gorilla glue on all glue joints so there's a lot of foam to remove and cleaning up to do before varnishing. I also still need to finish the engine stringers and glue them in.
Heres some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/off_jig.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/off_jig2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/off_jig3.jpg

[johnmiller]

Let's see some pic's John!!
I hope to see you tomorrow but I still have not received the parts!! :(
Heres a pic of the woodie with your boat in the background. Berts 78' Dimarco 21' day cruiser is one good looking boat, very well built and in prestine condition.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/78dimarco.jpg

[HONDOG]

John, this thread is fantastic. I get a woodie of my own every time I log on and see that there are new pics.:D Keep it up, can't wait to see photos of the finished product.

[johnmiller]

These pictures were taken today so the thread is caught up with my progress on the woodie!
The inside of the boat is finished with 6 coats of varnish. I used a dutch varnish called Epifanes high gloss varnish, it sealed in one coat and was shinny the next 5, very thick, in fact you have to thin it. Absolutely the best varnish in the world!!! The product has been used on wood yachts and Chris Crafts for over 100 years. American made marine spar varnish would take 30 coats to equal this stuff, if even then!
I'm going to do a little temporary hardware installations before building the deck.
Here are some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inside_finished2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inside_finished.jpg

[Roaddogg 4040]

AWESOME!!!!!!!
Steve

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

That thing is a work of art.

[Racey]

Amazing.... keep us updated!

[GofastRacer]

Totally awesome!..:cool: :cool:

[jesco]

This is by far the best thing that has ever been posted on this entire site. Keep up the great work!! Very nice. Cant wait to see it finished.

[shopteacher]

John, the boat looks great. If you don't mind I will jdownload some of these pictures and present them to my class. It is great being able to show them that woodworking skills are usefull for more than just building homes and cabinets. Personaly I think using your skills to build a flat bottom is far more important. Seeing you build this boat has inspired me to buy some plans and start a class project for my advanced students. maybe not a flatbottom but a boat just teh same.
Dave

[mostly crue]

John, thank you so very much for sharing the build with everyone. I was just wondering if you had any interest on doing a crackerbox? I would love to have on done in wood. I think I have access to some plans. Thanks again for the thread.

[Kurtis500]

WOW!! When its done I hope there is as little paint over wood (if any) as possible. Keep us up to date if you do displays, I'd like to see it.

[johnmiller]

HUFFPOWER - The boat wouldn't qualify for the L.A. boat show, it's too small :D
shopteacher - Dave, your more than welcome to download my pics!!!!
Kurtis500 - The sides of the boat will be painted in traditional Miller trim but it will have a clear birch transom and a birch target down the sides.
Thanks for the compliments from all of you.
It will be awhile before I get more work done on the boat, but I'll update this thread as I go.
And any questions will be answered.

[n8dawg]

Now thats awsome!

[ColeTR2]

very nice that just look like tons of hard work

[Rvr Swpr]

Your father would be proud.

[Norseman]

John;
Awesome!!
Thanks for sharing !!!

[RiverGames]

i was looking at the all wood "Super Cinders" boat and thought of this one your building. it really made me realize all of the hard work that you are putting into this project. Kick Ass dude!

[BobbyB]

this is just flat out bad arse.

[Carnivalride]

John,
First off I love these posts of yours and thanks so much for sharing information. :) :cool: :cool:
What type of glue do you use I've heard you mention "gorilla glue" before is that a name brand or a type of glue, resin, epoxy, etc?
And are you using stainless fasteners to screw it together? I mean it looks like the bottom plywood is screwed into the battons but I can't tell.
It looks like the sides are just glued looks like you have a temporary cover strip that you nail to the bulkheads during the gluing process. Is this right?
Are the battons screwed to the bulkheads or just glued?
Thanks again,
Loren

[johnmiller]

Loren,
Gorilla glue is the brand name.
I use bronze wood screws. All the battons, keel, chine, and shear are glued and screwed to the frames. The bottom plywood is also glued and screwed. The first plywood layer for the sides is glued and nailed to the frames, and the second layer of plywood is glued to the first layer. I use nailing/clamping strips of wood to evenly disperse clamping which are removed after the glue drys. I then put screws down the shear and chine for extra support for the sides, however I don't believe it was needed. Also, the bottom was installed after the sides which strengthens the side joint at the chine. I also layed up a layer of mat and cloth over the bottom and sides. I believe the boat is much stronger than wood boats built back in the fifties. When I install the deck the sides at the shear line will be reinforced as well.
All the carriage bolts are stainless steel. I used them at the frame joints, the engine stringer mounts, and the engine stringers to the supports.

[78DiMarco]

John, I'm looking forward to seeing the woody next week and my boat too. Heck I'm not sure if I'm more excited about seeing my boat or yours!! For people reading the thread I've seen it in person and it is a real piece of art!! A true craftsman!!
John thanks for all your efforts on my boat and keep this thread going until the woodiy is on the water!!
What ever power you install I'm sure it will be just right!! ;)
See you next Saturday! :D
Bert

[johnmiller]

Thanks Bert, see you next Saturday.
I glassed the transom and finished it, I'll glass the sides next week.
Bert's 1978 21' Dimarco is next to the woodie
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/trans_done1.jpg

[johnmiller]

Here's a closeup:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/trans_done2.jpg

[johnmiller]

Got all the hardware and supports built and pre-installed for the rear half of the boat. Hard to get to after the deck is on is why I did it now. The transom is supported on both sides for the cav. plate shaft and pillow blocks. Also tied the stringers to it as well. A little over-kill for a cruising lake boat but what the hell.
Here's some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/trans_plate.jpg

[johnmiller]

inside pics
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/eng_rails.jpg

[johnmiller]

closeup of the inside of the transom:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inside_trans_support.jpg

[78DiMarco]

Looking better every day!! See you Saturday.
That wood transom is bad ass!! And with the the hardware going in it really is starting to come to life!! Nice John!! real nice!! :)

[myoung]

Any updates?
Hate to see this thread get buried.
Would love to see how this one turns out.

[johnmiller]

Didn't get to work on it much this past month, but I have the plywood deck ready for installation. I hope to have the deck done before the end of summer. Found a 62' Dodge 383 big block and a tandem trailer for the woodie. Once I get the deck and paint work done, it won't take long to finish the boat. I've got most of the hardware already pre-installed.
Here are some pics of the birch plywood deck. The deck will have solid mahagony scarf rails, inside rails and dash.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/deck1.jpg

[johnmiller]

close-up of the birch grain.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/deck2.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/deck_3.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

I just wet myself a little.
Nice
Brian

[sixgunsam]

Why do I see alot of these wood decks with plywood on them? Is that the way they used to be built? Is it cheaper, lighter, combination of it all? My Sanger's deck looks like the wood floors in my old house.

[johnmiller]

Why do I see alot of these wood decks with plywood on them? Is that the way they used to be built? Is it cheaper, lighter, combination of it all? My Sanger's deck looks like the wood floors in my old house.
As far back as the early fifties all wood deck flatties had plywood fore decks. Plywood is actually stronger than solid wood at the same thickness and bends much easier. This deck will have solid wood (mahagony and ash) for the scarf rail and inside rails. The deck when finished will look just like 65Millers boat which is my avatar.

[jh4rt]

As far back as the early fifties all wood deck flatties had plywood fore decks. Plywood is actually stronger than solid wood at the same thickness and bends much easier. This deck will have solid wood (mahagony and ash) for the scarf rail and inside rails. The deck when finished will look just like 65Millers boat which is my avatar.
Hey John. Awesome work on this one. Any chance my dad and I could come up and just look at it?
--jim

[sixgunsam]

John, my Sanger looks to have 2" mahogany strips for the deck, you can see the brad nails. If I was to take this to you to have it restored, we would keep this look [as long as the wood is in good shape] right? Or are most guy's like you [in the business] in favor of scrapping it for plywood?

[johnmiller]

Hey John. Awesome work on this one. Any chance my dad and I could come up and just look at it?
--jim
Jim,
Come on up any time!! It would be great to see you guys again!
Call me 805-431-2234.
john

[johnmiller]

John, my Sanger looks to have 2" mahogany strips for the deck, you can see the brad nails. If I was to take this to you to have it restored, we would keep this look [as long as the wood is in good shape] right? Or are most guy's like you [in the business] in favor of scrapping it for plywood?
If the original wood is in good shape, I wouldn't scrap it, I would save it!!!

[jetboatperformance]

John the wood boats lookin sweet !! sorry I didn't have time to see it when I was down to pick up the Daytona ! Tom @JBP
btw,,, Folks this guy does "first class work" (below is one example) John and I have worked together on several projects with great results in the past
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/jetboatperformance/Ric/Sanger1RP.jpg

[BobbyB]

I love checking this thread. What a great looking boat. It makes me miss woodshop, too.
Can't wait to see it done!

[Twins+one]

closeup of the inside of the transom:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inside_trans_support.jpg
Wow! How many hours do you honestly have in that hull? It looks like a passion project, but if you were to re-create it, what would something like that cost? Do you do a T-Deck? I am a rookie, but do you have to soak the boat before running it?, or keep it in the water? Or is that what the plywood is for?
Just one more question. What is the reason for painting it? If you can show your work, why not have the entire hull exposed, instead of painting? I am just curious! If you look at most of the older ChrisCrafts, they are just wood and look sexy as hell! Heck of job!

[johnmiller]

Twins+one:
Lots of time involved in this buildup, but a lot of it was tooling up the jig and making templates each step of the way.
You don't have to soak the boat, it is water proof.
I am making progress on the deck buildup. Haven't had much time to work on it lately. The plywood deck is done, now I am building the solid wood inner rail and then the scarf rail. Hopefully will have it ready for glass by the end of July.
I couldn't find any decent mahagony since we can't import Honduras any more so I switched to Andaroba. I'm still using ash in the center of the inner rail.
Heres some pics
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail_1.jpg

[johnmiller]

lots of clamps!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail2.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

HOLY CLAMPS BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking good.
Keep the pics coming.
Brian
I couldn't find any decent mahagony since we can't import Honduras any more so I switched to Andaroba. I'm still using ash in the center of the inner rail.
Heres some pics
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail_1.jpg

[johnmiller]

The inner rail is 3 layers of solid wood.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail3.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

What is the deal with the Mahogany?
You can't buy it here, and you can't import it?

[johnmiller]

The inner rail is now roughed in with a body grinder.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail4.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

The inner rail is now roughed in with a body grinder.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail4.jpg
Absolutely beautiful

[johnmiller]

closeup of the dash
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail5.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail6.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/inner_rail7.jpg

[johnmiller]

What is the deal with the Mahogany?
You can't buy it here, and you can't import it?
Hi Brian,
You can still buy mahagony, but it's not from the Honduras, its from S. America and the Phillipines. Honduras mahagony is much darker red and more radical grain. I don't know exactly why Honduras is not exporting it anymore.
Thanks for the compliments Brian!!

[wsuwrhr]

Hi Brian,
You can still buy mahagony, but it's not from the Honduras, its from S. America and the Phillipines. Honduras mahagony is much darker red and more radical grain. I don't know exactly why Honduras is not exporting it anymore.
Thanks for the compliments Brian!!
Thanks for the explaination.
Your project is tip top shelf.
Brian

[LandSpeedRacer]

Man, nice work!:D
This is what I mean when I say hot boats are under-appreciated. Your boat is not done, and I can see already you will have a ride that could be put in any car show and kick a$$.
I wish all who participate in hot boats, when the water gets low, could show up at car shows. It would help to generate the interest needed to keep the places open so we can run. I do every chance I get.
Anyway, beautiful. Can't wait to see it done.
LSR

[johnmiller]

Got the scarf rail built and glued down so all the wood is on the boat.
The scarf rail is solid andiroba. I split it in half to make the left and right sides.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/rail_split.jpg

[johnmiller]

The solid wood deck rails are now ready to fair in.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/scarf_on1.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/scarf_on2.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/scarf_on3.jpg

[justfloatn]

THANK YOU!
This is by far the coolest thread ever on HB:D I envy your talents.
Do you think it will be done in time to take to the wood boat show in Tahoe?
Or would you even take it there?

[Racey]

Lookin sick as always, i can't wait to see this thing after a dozen coats of varnish.

[mostly crue]

I can't thank you enough for posting this thread. I really enjoy the picutres as well as the details in the how/why it is built that way. I can't wait to see it finished.

[Clearlake Kid]

I've seen this boat John is building, and i have to tell you guys. It is a work of art..............

[Itsahobby]

Ok boy's how much money do you see in clamps? Jeez they are even expensive at Home Depot!:sqeyes:
Nice work, I wish I had some talent.
HOLY CLAMPS BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking good.
Keep the pics coming.
Brian

[65sanger]

Hi John,
Great job, Another great boat, I like how the dash is integrated into the deck, What is the weight difference from a fiberglass hull to your wood hull,
I see you dont glass the inside floor area, just varnish, Is that right,
Again great job,

[Norseman]

John:
Gorgeous!!!
Thanks for sharing this with us!!
Bob

[Norseman]

Mike;
You really need to put a sticky on this thread so it stays at the top. I'm willing to bet that a lot of V drive guys would love to see how these boats were built "Back in the Day"
Bob

[steelcomp]

I stopped by John's today and I have to tell you, this guy should be making furniture for Chippendale. What a piece of artwork. Thing is, this boat is solid as they come, and will function as well as it looks. Great thread, John. Great job. Maybe we should put a awood deck on the Spectra??:idea: :D

[tucson_boat_guy]

This thread is amazing. What talent, his web site is just as cool with the old pics and all.
Can't wait to see the boat finished.
Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
:)

[stickmann]

Furniture makers are a dime a dozen; a wooden boat builder is worth his weight in ...tropical hardwood! I built wood limited hydroplanes back in the day and this flatbottom is much more beautiful.

[tamalewagon]

Without a doubt, one of the best threads I've ever read on HB. Reminds me of the early seventies at Clearlake. Thank you.

[78DiMarco]

John, looks like you are making nice progress on the woody!! Looking awsome! I'm making progress on the DiMarco too. Still sorting out the EFI and I hope to get it wet later this year but we'll see as time permits.
I hope to see you soon and thanks for all your help on my boat.
Keep the thread going!!
Bert

[johnmiller]

Thanks for all the compliments everyone!!!!!
I have been busy working on customers boats, so I haven't made any progress on the woodie, but I still plan on having it done before the end of this year.
justfloatn: I might take it to the Tahoe show next year.
Itsahobby: The 8" reach clamps are about $35.00 each!!!! I've got 24 of them! Damn things aren't cheap! All together I have a little over 100 clamps!
65sanger: Yes, the inside is varnished.
Clearlake Kid: Thanks, I'll be seeing you soon, your boat is looking bitchin!
Norseman: Bob, thanks for all your compliments!!
steelcomp: Hey, maybe we should put a wood deck on it!!! :)
78DiMarco: Bert, thanks, I hope everything goes well with the motor, your boat is first class! Hope to see you again soon!

[vdrivedenis]

We visited John's shop today and saw first hand his all wood project. The pictures don't do it justice-the boat is awesome!! The detail is excellent, and when it is finished I don't think he will have any problems winning any shows he enters it in. This is truly a show piece, even in its unfinished condition. We all want to see it finished John-keep up the good work!!!
:D

[BILLY.B]

Great job as usual John. Wood deck boats are just to cool. So do you think wake board boats will ever be this cool some 40 yrs later?:idea:

[Jetboatguru]

Billy, you really have it in for Wakeboard boats these days! Whats up?

[johnmiller]

Thanks Denis, good to see you!!!
Thanks Billy!!!!
Well, I finally got time to glass the deck. I still need to sand and rub it out though.
Here's some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/deckglassed2.jpg

[johnmiller]

closeup of the dash (solid andiroba)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deckglassed1.jpg

[Lefty]

Great job on the Woody. My question is what are you coating the deck with is that the same material that you used in the inside of the boat?

[Lefty]

Great job on the Woody. My question is what are you coating the deck with is that the same material that you used in the inside of the boat?

[johnmiller]

Lefty:
No, the inside of the boat is coated with varnish. The deck is glassed over. I use 4 oz. cloth wetted out with finish resin, then 4 flow coats of finish resin is applied with a brush. Same way I finished the transom and sides of the boat. I now have to sand the deck with 80,120,280,400,600,1000 grit sandpaper then rub it out with 3M extra cut rubbing compound.

[johnmiller]

Got the deck done.
And could finally remove the plastic liner from the inside of the boat and clean it up.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_done2.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_done1.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_done3.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_done4.jpg

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

awesome!!!

[Racey]

Once again my mind is blown, that thing is beautiful, I can only imagine the countless hours you have into it, it is gonna be one bitchin boat!

[glwanabe]

Love this thread. The boat is sick!
do you have plan sets available for this hull?

[stoker22405]

Hats off to ya...Looks amazing....Thanx for the pictures

[nodigg]

By far the best ever thread I've seen!

[DUNDUN]

bitchin!

[Rexone]

Damn, John, that boat is beautiful. You are truly an artist with wood.

[n8dawg]

Truely a piece of art. Great looking boat!!!:)

[Michael2000]

These pictures were taken today so the thread is caught up with my progress on the woodie!
The inside of the boat is finished with 6 coats of varnish. I used a dutch varnish called Epifanes high gloss varnish, it sealed in one coat and was shinny the next 5, very thick, in fact you have to thin it. Absolutely the best varnish in the world!!! The product has been used on wood yachts and Chris Crafts for over 100 years. American made marine spar varnish would take 30 coats to equal this stuff, if even then!
John,
Boat is looking great! Nothing beats the look of wood.
Is the varnish just applied with a brush, or is it sprayed on?
Michael

[johnmiller]

Michael,
I brushed it on, but you can spray it on too, you just have to use a different thinner. The inside of the boat has so many corners of wood you'd be there all day trying to spray and coat everything, brushing is the only way to do it.

[steelcomp]

You missed a spot!
:D

[TonkaDriver]

You missed a spot!
:D
Good one

[pops454]

WOW!!! THAT REALLY IS AWESOME. I'd trade my wife for some thing like that if I had one.... :idea:

[Boatmike]

Man that boat is comming along real nice!:D

[meaniam]

Wow I just read the whole thread front to back. The boat is awesome. I wish I knew how to build one like that. This pretty much is a lost art form. It will be unheard of in 20 years. I hope your son is learning and enjoys it. If I had the oppertunity to build a few boats with you. I would be there in a heart beat.
Thanks to the mod that made this a sticky

[bocco]

When that boat is finished are you really gonna get it wet?

[GAWnCA]

John,
I just have to ask, are you REALLY going to cut into that beautiful dash to add gauges and steering? It's a work of art!!! The whole damn boat is a work of art and should be in a gallery somewhere!!!! The wood work rivals any fine furniture maker's work. It sure is PURDY!!! :)
A little off topic, what ever happened to the molds for the Miller Jet/Ski boats?
Greg

[BILLY.B]

John as you've been reading this deal is absolutely awesome. The inlay wood work is off the chart. One question. Do you ever have to worry about the finishing resin turning cloudy after time?.

[sixgunsam]

Billy.B, when did you work at Sanger Boats? Did Jack do the wood decks himself, or farm it out?

[27raysoncraft]

Miller custom boats still have the miller molds !

[Life's Rough]

WOW!!! THAT REALLY IS AWESOME. I'd trade my wife for some thing like that if I had one.... :idea:
You already tried that once didn't you. Your right though that thing is the shiat!

[BILLY.B]

Billy.B, when did you work at Sanger Boats? Did Jack do the wood decks himself, or farm it out?77-78. There were no wood decks being done then. If there were they were farmed out.

[sixgunsam]

Your work is truly amazing John, thanks for getting back to me on mine, I am going to wait till after New Years, so I will get ahold of you then.

[johnmiller]

Thanks everyone for the compliments!! :)
John as you've been reading this deal is absolutely awesome. The inlay wood work is off the chart. One question. Do you ever have to worry about the finishing resin turning cloudy after time?.
Thanks Billy!!
There's a lot of things you have to worry about, but most of them are solved by using good quality fresh resin. Resin has a shelf life of maybe 6 months. I buy my resin only when I need it and from a good trust worthy supplier. The other is applying the resin correctly. If the resin is applyed too thick and not sanded properly, that could cause it to turn cloudy.
The glass over wood should last a good 20 years if taken care of properly. The boat should be kept in a garage when not being used.
Greg,
As somone already mentioned, my brother has the molds.

[78DiMarco]

John, the woody is looking great! I have the EFI done and I'm going to the dyno in about a week or so. I had some delays and needed to work around mine and others schedules but it's coming along.
Keep up the good work and we'll talk soon.
B

[johnmiller]

John, the woody is looking great! I have the EFI done and I'm going to the dyno in about a week or so. I had some delays and needed to work around mine and others schedules but it's coming along.
Keep up the good work and we'll talk soon.
B
Thanks Bert, talk to you soon, oh and I want a ride in your boat!

[johnmiller]

Got the v-drive and under-water gear installed along with the steering.
Only been able to work on weekends but I'll have it done well before next summer. Working on the paint next.
Here's some pics - boats a little dirty on the inside!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/v-drive.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/hardware.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_hardware.jpg

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/deck_wheel.jpg

[wsuwrhr]

I am taking this picture into the bathroom to rub one out myself.
Your boat is completely off the shelf sir.
Well, I finally got time to glass the deck. I still need to sand and rub it out though.
Here's some pics:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/deckglassed2.jpg

[78DiMarco]

John,
Looking better every day. I see you have the HallCraft installed. I can't wait to meet up and take a ride in the woody.
Take care
B

[johnmiller]

I finished painting the boat, pearl white with pearl blues for trim.
All the dirty work is done, now for the fun stuff!!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1010691.JPG

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1010693.JPG

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1010697.JPG

[johnmiller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1010702.JPG

[ColeTR2]

I finished painting the boat, pearl white with pearl blues for trim.
All the dirty work is done, now for the fun stuff!!!
Very Cool it looks great keep posting pictures

[Roaddogg 4040]

That thing is awesome... Have you started on Tommies Rayson yet? Are you going to be able to post pictures of the deck re do?
Steve

[Church Mouse]

Looks killer John, just love the wood deckers, ya bringin her to the Bass Lake boat show in June?, Chris

[flatties forever]

John,
Your boat is so beautiful. I just can't believe that a person can start with a pile of basically 2x4's and plywood and end up with a boat that is prettier than any picture in a museum. You're amazing!!
Thanks much for posting this thread. I owned a 1970 Miller 19,6 for more than a decade. It was such a good boat. Your color layout, the tach mount and the v-drive are identical to mine. It is so retro, yet timeless. I was just viewing the nose on shot and admiring the lines, when my wife walked by and said, "Hey, it looks like the old Miller"--- off of just the nose picture where you could only see the front half of the boat. (I have a pretty cool wife). It's amazing how distinct it is.
Thanks again and I hope the boat brings you as much happiness as I imagine it would me.

[McIntyrelocal]

The target stripe looks perfect with that boat that thing is beautiful :) :) are going to sell it or keep it?

[CampbellCarl]

Steve.......looking for another boat?
CC

[Lefty]

John, you are like Luke Skywalker, the Last of the Jedi. Will this boat be at the Bass Lake outing this year?

[McIntyrelocal]

Steve.......looking for another boat?
CC
man i couldnt even afford to look at that thing but if it was forsale?
lol i wish!!!

[johnmiller]

Thanks for all the compliments, I really do appreciate it!!!
Churchmouse (chris) and lefty: Yes I have been planning on taking the boat to the Bass lake gettogether next summer and stay for 4 days, drive the boat around and have a great time. I'll see you guys there!
I'm keeping this boat for a long time, it's not for sale.
flatties forever: Building it has brought me a lot of happiness too! But I can't wait till I get it in the water where it belongs and drive it, that's going to be the most fun!!
Thanks again everyone!

[stickmann]

I am glad that the shoemaker gets to have first rate shoes.
(from a former wood hydroplane builder)

[Roaddogg 4040]

That thing is awesome... Have you started on Tommies Rayson yet? Are you going to be able to post pictures of the deck re do?
Steve
John... How about pictures??????
Steve

[1978 Rogers]

Wow, that is amazing John. What a phenomenal project, words can't describe it. Truely amazing.

[Schiada Time]

unbelievable Project. A pile of wood and a whole bunch of patience. Awesome.
ST

[1968Droptop]

I just got turned on to this thread, and I'm speechless. That is absolutely a work of art !!! You truely have incredible patientence and skills to creat such a classy looking boat. Great color choice and layout !!!
It's like an old Ferrari; timeless lines, classy, and you know it'll go fast when needed. Thank you for taking the time to share all your hard work and passion for boats.

[jrork]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/P1010702.JPG
Just like the rest of the northwest gang, I just got turned onto this thread (thanks Creg).
After seeing how beautiful this boat is I'm completely depressed. Beautiful is all I can say...... congratulations and please keep the pics coming
If there should ever be a sticky to inspire the rest of us fools, this ranks right up there at the top............Whatcha think Rex?

[pancho]

to quote someone else,i just pointed a shotgun at my boat

[vdriver4ever]

I always love it when this thread comes back up because I know I will get to see some updated photos. Since restoring my Nordskog I am just jacked to see these type of boats either brought back to life or recreated.
:)

[78DiMarco]

I see you have some paint on it now. Looking great. I hope to see you at Bass Lake!!
Bert

[Kazanski]

That is one INCREDIBLE piece of artwork and talent!!! Looks great! Can't wait to see more pics!!