Europeans are idiots...blaming Charles Heston for VA Tech Shooting

[RitcheyRch]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,477686,00.html
Blaming Charlton Heston
With a view to Monday's deadly shooting rampage at Virginia Tech, European newspapers are blaming the lack of gun control measures in the United States and implying that Charlton Heston is indirectly responsible for the scope of the killings.
AP
In America, "buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license."
Across the continent on Tuesday, European media rubber-neck at Monday's massacre in the United States. Most seem to agree about one thing: The shooting at Virginia Tech is the result of America's woeful lack of serious gun control laws. In the strongest editorialized image of the day, German cable news broadcaster NTV flashed an image of the former head of the National Rifle Association, the US gun lobby: In other words, blame rifle-wielding Charlton Heston for the 33 dead.
Papers reserve their sharpest criticism for the 2004 expiration of a 10-year ban on semi-automatic weapons under the then Republican-controlled Congress. Others comment on the pro-gun lobbying activities of Heston's NRA. Some papers also draw analogies between school shootings and Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers.
British daily The Independent writes:
"The passionate feelings of the gun lobby may be traced to the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, enshrining 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms'. Although the provision stems from the times when 'well regulated militias' were deemed necessary to protect against a British attempt to regain the lost colonies, it is the default position of any argument against greater gun control here."
"As such, it has trumped every other consideration, not least the fact that on any given day about 80 people are killed by firearms, the vast majority by murder or suicide. Gun violence may cost $2.3 billion each year in medical expenses, but it is a price, gun supporters believe, that is worth paying to protect a fundamental freedom ..."
"There is no sign of attitudes hardening. Despite the opposition of every police force in the land, Congress in 2004 allowed to lapse a 10-year federal ban on semi-automatic assault weapons, a particular favorite of violent criminals. The reaction was not exactly deafening. Even amid yesterday's shock, the initial calls were for stricter security measures on campuses -- not serious moves to reduce gun ownership."
The Times of London writes:
"The trauma of the death of the students at Virginia Tech that will spread across the university and the whole country will be magnified by the feelings of so many people who feel that they should have been able to prevent it."
"Doubtless there will be a call to review the availability of firearms. The National Rifle Association's (NRA) response is predictable too. They will point out that events such as this are not carried out by a rifle-wielding member of a weekend militia. There is no doubt that access to rapid-action shotguns makes these events even more destructive but as we have seen with suicide bombers, who are closer to spree killers than is often realized, if a person really wants to take their own life and kill others in doing so it is exceptionally difficult to prevent it."
French daily Le Monde writes:
"The shooting at Virginia Tech ... is a dramatic episode of school violence that fits into a long series of such episodes, a series topped by the drama at Columbine, the school attacked by two adolescents in 1999 ..."
"If Columbine left such a strong impression, that was because it was one of the first dramas of school violence that received broad coverage in the media. Americans were informed of what was happening in real time, via TV and the radio. The students called their families or CNN even as the killers were still roaming the corridors of the schools. ..."
"This new tragedy presents a new opportunity for American public opinion to interrogate itself about a society which, as one of the students who survived Columbine said at the time, is very much responsible for what has happened."
French conservative daily Le Figaro writes:
"It was all too easy easy for the elected representatives of the United States, from the White House to the Congress, to express their sadness yesterday; America's problem with fire-arms represents a political issue for which they share responsibility. Here is a country that represents the vanguard of development and democracy while it is legal to carry a gun in 45 of 50 states, as long as the gun is not loaded. ... At the end of 2004, the Republican-controlled Congress allowed a law to expire that prohibited the sale of semi-automatic and military weapons. Thereafter, legal changes were made to protect the producers and vendors of fire-arms from being held responsible for the actions of gun owners."
"Contrary to what one would imagine, this backward stance is not something left over from the Wild West. It goes back to the creation of the United States and the War of Independence against the English. ... While most states have issued laws designed to control the sale of arms, the NRA ensures they remain inefficient or are not applied. Strongly linked to the conservative fringe of the Republican Party, the NRA spent $400,000 a day to prevent the election of the Democratic candidate John Kerry during the 2004 presidential elections ..."
"Yesterday's massacre will surely revive the debate in the United States, but within the federal system, the question is ultimately settled by each individual state. Going back on the lapsing of the law issued by Washington could provide an opportunity for the Supreme Court to take a stance on the issue for the first time since 1939."
Italian daily Il Corriere della Sera writes:
"Shocked psychologists and sociologists ask themselves how gun violence is to be explained. Some speak of the repressed violence of a country that goes back to generations of pioneers habituated to achieve justice on their own and which is forced to face the powerful tensions within a multiracial society. Others criticize the spread of violent video games (which are, however, a phenomenon that has only emerged in recent years). In any case, gun violence is becoming a common phenomenon in the United States, one that is no longer surprising. In major cities such as New York, the extension of surveillance measures, a tough approach to crime and measures to rebuild the urban fabric have led to a drop in crime and especially in the number of homicides. But in suburban areas and smaller cities, episodes of 'ordinary violence' are on the rise. In the poorest neighborhoods, people are getting used to the use of fire-arms -- a phenomenon that is linked to the growing tendency among many young people to resort to violence to settle even minor disputes and to the ease with which weapons can be acquired."
Italian daily Il Messaggero writes:
"The bloodbath on the university campus is the work of a suicide killer -- an American suicide killer who, differently from Muslim killers, did not act out of religious motives but was driven instead by the unrest affecting broad layers of US society. America is a nation that has for some years been in danger of becoming more and more unloved in the world, especially in the poorest countries. During the period following World War II, America was seen as the guardian of democracy and was equated with the defense of liberty; today, America is a superpower that begins wars and lives with the constant necessity of having to defend itself against the enemy -- whether this enemy be called Islam or whether it bears the face of the neighbor who has done you wrong."
Spanish daily El Pais writes:
"The president of Virginia Tech called it a tragedy of monumental proportions. But similar comments could already be heard following previous tragedies of this kind. The shooting spree at the Columbine high school in Colorado, for instance, revived the debate on the necessity of better controlling access to weapons. This led to some laws being toughened and security at schools being improved. But the measures are decided by the individual states and are constantly side-stepped by means of an exaggerated interpretation of the US constitution."
German daily Bild writes:
"Now we will probably begin discussing the overly lax gun laws in the United States. There, buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license. And a new ban on violent games and killer videos will also be put back on the agenda. But in the end, nothing is likely to happen. And the next killer already lives somewhere among us. But we have little reason to point an accusing finger at the Americans. Despite strict gun legislation, we (in Germany) have experienced the school shootings in Erfurt and Emsdetten. We have to consider the problems in our society. And we have to take care of our fellow humans."

[Jyruiz]

Idiots.

[cdog]

What a great way to keep the sheep in line. Seriously, any euro that had any balls left that continent by the early 1900's. Why should anyone care what those looser cry baby's think?

[Jbb]

Sounds like they should be blaming South Korea....

[YeLLowBoaT]

yeah he used a "assult weapon" thats why they found a 9 mm glock and a .22 on him... nice to see that he used a ak...:rolleyes:
Oh yeah... the fact that some one removed the serial numbers( which is a major no-no) was to make it look better :rolleyes:

[cdog]

yeah he used a "assult weapon" thats why they found a 9 mm glock and a .22 on him... nice to see that he used a ak...:rolleyes:
Oh yeah... the fact that some one removed the serial numbers( which is a major no-no) was to make it look better :rolleyes:
Now we can use their ass backwards logic on them. Glocks are made in Austria. Europeans killed em! They're to blame! Capitolist Death Profiteers! (I'm being sarcastic of course).:rolleyes:

[Havasu Luvr]

Funny thing happen this morning.......my colleague calls me early this morning from Germany asking about the personal favor about a businees here in the USA that he questions their business code of ethics. In the meantime he makes the statement about Charles Heston/VA. Tech and the gun laws here in the states and for the life of me I could not make any coralations to it?:) :) I was baffled....but now it all makes sense....Crazy Europeans:D

[2Driver]

It's never the mother phucker's who did it fault is it:mad:
I am sure they will blame the School for not being more prepared for a mass gunman situation.

[bigq]

Are they speaking of there great violent free society.....
Many advocates of gun control point to Great Britain as an example of a gun free paradise where violence and crime are rare.
Well, there may be trouble in paradise. Our friends across the Atlantic did tighten their already strict gun laws, with the Firearms Act of 1997, making self-defense with a firearm completely impossible for ordinary people.
Obedient British subjects generally maintained a stiff upper lip as they surrendered their guns and their rights. How much did crime drop as a result of this sacrifice? It did not drop at all. In fact, according to the local newspapers, England is being swept by a wave of crime, including plenty of gun crimes.
The London Times published a story on January 16th that sums up the situation rather well. The headline reads, "Killings Rise As 3 Million Illegal Guns Flood Britain". Armed crime rose 10% in 1998 and the numbers for 1999 may be even more dramatic.
The British experiment with gun prohibition has resulted in the same outcome as other forms of prohibition. Since guns are banned, every criminal wants one and it is very profitable to smuggle them in.
According to a police spokesman, weapons from Eastern Europe, some still new in their boxes, are turning up during investigations. Criminals now have unprecedented access to high quality guns at affordable prices.
The Manchester Guardian, on January 14th, laments the fact that their city is being called "Gunchester". Police sources were quoted as saying that guns had become "almost a fashion accessory" among young criminals on the street. Some gangs are armed with fully automatic weapons and the generally unarmed British police say that they risk confronting teenagers on mountain bikes brandishing machine guns.
The Sunday Express sent a team of reporters out to investigate the problem and reported in their story of June 20, 1999: "In recent months there have been a frightening number of shootings in Britain's major cities, despite new laws banning gun ownership after the Dunblane tragedy. Our investigation established that guns are available through means open to any criminally minded individual."
The government is expected to respond by further tightening the laws on weapons of all sorts. Additional regulations controlling knives and airguns are said to be in the works, although this might be likened to beating a dead horse. The very act of armed self-defense is already punishable by law. That right has been handed over to the government in return for a promise of protection.
Perhaps motor vehicles need to be more heavily regulated as well. According to a commercial security report, New Wave in Retail Crime, British bandits are using vehicles to smash storefronts in a type of crime called "ramraiding", which would be impractical if shopkeepers had the option of arming themselves. The report states that, "Many retailers have actually gone out of business because of the repeated attacks on their premises."
This recent rise in crime is part of an upward trend that correlates well with the gradual tightening of gun control over the last several decades. The relationship between increasing gun control and rising crime is well documented in a scholarly 1999 report by Olsen and Kopel, All the Way Down the Slippery Slope - Gun Prohibition in England.
The traditional view of England as a low crime society has also been seriously damaged by the 1998 study, Crime and Justice in the United States and in England and Wales, which is available from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. This report concludes that English crime rates in the period from 1981 to 1996 were actually higher than in the United States due to differences in the way crimes are reported.
The negative result from gun control laws should not surprise us. American cities have had similar counterproductive results whenever gun control has been implemented locally. Recent reports from Australia tell exactly the same story.
It is no coincidence that crime typically goes up after a government enacts new gun restrictions. Several American researchers and criminologists have explored this effect. Whenever people give up their right to self-defense in return for a promise of government protection, the results have been negative. No amount of social engineering will change this basic consequence of human nature.
Unfortunately, the downward progression of gun control goes only one way. British subjects will never regain the right to armed self-defense.
Proponents of gun control in America have a lot of explaining to do. Unfortunately, with the aid of their media allies, this new information will probably be ignored completely or brushed off with a few carefully chosen sound bites.

[bigq]

and here:
http://amazon.com/gp/product/0226493644

[HocusPocus]

screw'em!!
now i need to go clean my guns.

[Racey]

These are the same a$$holes that were calling on us and our guns to save their sorry asses 60 years ago from the krauts.:D

[beaverretriever]

That kid could have just easily put rat poison in the school buffet and wiped out 500 people.
If they allowed legal registered, concealed weapons on campus, someone could have taken him out.
The anti gun people are a joke.

[Racey]

That kid could have just easily put rat poison in the school buffet and wiped out 500 people.
If they allowed legal registered, concealed weapons on campus, someone could have taken him out.
The anti gun people are a joke.
That's the 100% truth, gun controll only keeps guns out of innocent peoples hands, that guy could easily have bought any gun he wanted out of some guys trunk in an alley somewhere.

[Poster X]

I see no need for automatic assault weapons and semi automatic assault weapons in a modern society. In the military..yes. In the police departments..hell yes. But private citizens that need weapons like that either have little dicks or are up to no good.

[cdog]

I see no need for automatic assault weapons and semi automatic assault weapons in a modern society. In the military..yes. In the police departments..hell yes. But private citizens that need weapons like that either have little dicks or are up to no good.
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[460 jus getn it]

Guns dont kill people, stupid mofo's with guns kill people.

[Sanger D]

That kid could have just easily put rat poison in the school buffet and wiped out 500 people.
If they allowed legal registered, concealed weapons on campus, someone could have taken him out.
The anti gun people are a joke.................That is the truest statement yet, and it IS a fact, someone could of dropped that boy in an instant, once again law enforcement was no where to be found and of now they will scream " gun control " even louder!!!This countries thought process sickins me:mad:

[Jyruiz]

Guns dont kill people, stupid mofo's with guns kill people.
100% correct, till this day I have yet to see a gun walk around on its own and kill people.

[Sanger D]

I see no need for automatic assault weapons and semi automatic assault weapons in a modern society. In the military..yes. In the police departments..hell yes. But private citizens that need weapons like that either have little dicks or are up to no good..........Your opinions are worthless and anti-american.Its not even worth explaining to you because YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!!!!!!!

[cdog]

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity "
Sigmund Freud
I guess bag boy is smarter than this guy.:eek:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Yea, how stupid, especially since it was actually George W Bush who had agents of the CIA recruit the gunman, provided him with numberless high-capacity handguns, and ammo, gave him the chain for the doors, and put him to work, all to prevent Atty Gen Gonzales from having to testify before Congress. :rolleyes:
Btw, the FBI can pull numbers off of a filed surface of a handgun slide, unless it is ground out REALLY deep. Pretty cool process, somewhat similar to Magnetic Particle Inspection. It does take a bit of time at the FBI lab tho.

[bigq]

[QUOTE=SmokinLowriderSS;2506833]Yea, how stupid, especially since it was actually George W Bush who had agents of the CIA recruit the gunman, provided him with numberless high-capacity handguns, and ammo, gave him the chain for the doors, and put him to work, all to prevent Atty Gen Gonzales from having to testify before Congress. :rolleyes:
QUOTE]
HAHAHA...that isnt really going around is it?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I see no need for automatic assault weapons and semi automatic assault weapons in a modern society. In the military..yes. In the police departments..hell yes. But private citizens that need weapons like that either have little dicks or are up to no good.
Nice usage of the anti-gun crowd's favorite buzzword poser.
Now, since you can use the term, I'm sure you can explain to those less brilliant than you what the difference between my semi-automatic (properly known as "autoloading") deer rifle and an "Assault Rifle" is?

[bigq]

I see no need for automatic assault weapons and semi automatic assault weapons in a modern society. In the military..yes. In the police departments..hell yes. But private citizens that need weapons like that either have little dicks or are up to no good.
Problem is private citizens that have little dicks (was that a Fruadian slip) and are up to no good always seem to be able to get them, no matter which country you live in.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

bigq, I can't say it IS out there, but if I was a wagering man and we were neighbors, I'd bet ya a beer that it's on some leftie screeching bush-hater blog somewhere on Al's internet. :(
And if it isn't, I might as well launch it. :D

[Tyson Ross]

"an American suicide killer "
Ah... no, wasn't he a legal alien from South Korea?:mad:

[cdog]

Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)
HR 1859 IH
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 1859
To reinstate the prohibition on the possession or transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and to strengthen that prohibition.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
April 16, 2007
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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A BILL
To reinstate the prohibition on the possession or transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and to strengthen that prohibition.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Anti-Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Sections 921(a)(31) and 922(w), and the last sentence of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.
(b) Reinstatement of Provision Partially Repealed- Section 924(a)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:
`(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), or (w) of section 922;'.
SEC. 3. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (z) the following:
`(aa) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(2) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a)(30) and Appendix A of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.
(3) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(aa) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.
(b) Certification Requirement-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended--
(A) in paragraph (3)--
(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and
(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and
(B) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:
`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(3) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.

[Poster X]

Problem is private citizens that have little dicks (was that a Fruadian slip) and are up to no good always seem to be able to get them, no matter which country you live in.
They get them because they are in the free market. Almost any pawnshop has an automatic weapon license. Our policy on assault weapons is about like our policy on illegal aliens. We don't do anything and hope it goes away and when it doesn't everyone starts pointing fingers at everything but the obvious.
For other respondants:
I never said "afraid" of automatic weapons. I just think they are exploited as a freedom by the NRA and those dumb enough to believe it's a Constitutional issue. If you want to carry a handgun have at it. Wy wife carries one. If you want a shotgun or a bolt action rifle buy three. But if you think you need an automatic weapon then you are doing nothing but empowering the market and arming sonofabitches like that Korean in Virginia.
If you need a semi automatic weapon to bring down a deer not only do you have a little dick..you are a dick.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Almost any pawnshop has an automatic weapon license..
Once again, you show yourself to be an idiot baghead. You better start looking up laws more often, bacause I do, just before breaking one off on you.
I can categolically GUARANTEE that NO PAWN SHOP in the state of Kansas possesses an automatic weapon lisence, and neither does a single firearms dealer store. Fortunately for you, since you hide your location as well as your face, I didn't look up YOUR state laws, but I know mine.
Our policy on assault weapons is about like our policy on illegal aliens.
Again, care to define "Assault Weapon" since you like to throw the sexy sound-bite term arround?

[Boatcop]

Lets see now.
Va Tech had a strict policy (law) saying "NO GUNS ON CAMPUS".
There that should do it. A 100% ban on guns at that place. It sure worked didn't it?
Why don't the shooters go on sprees at Police Stations? Or National Guard/Military Bases? Or NRA meetings?
Why do they choose schools?
I'll tell you why. Because they know there will be no opposition. No defense. They will be free to kill and maim as many people as they want until confronted by someone else with a gun. Usually the police. Then they shoot themselves.
Gun bans don't work. Look at anywhere it's been done.
D.C. Detroit. New York City. Los Angeles. Chicago. Australia. Canada. Britain. Name it.
Take guns away from law abiding citizens and violent crime-robbery, rape, assaults, homicide, etc. always goes up. Every time.
Florida enacted a free carry law, and bad guys targeted foreign tourists leaving the airport. Why? Because they knew they wouldn't be armed.
Ever notice that all the gun grabbing politicians and spokesmen (Boxer, Pelosi, O'Donnel, Schumer, Clinton, and the rest) either have their own CCW or armed body guards?
Gee. Wonder why that is?

[Poster X]

Kansas makes up about 1/50th or less of the United States. Besides, pawn shop is an illustration. There are enough gun shows in Kansas selling semi automatic and automatic riflery to make up for pawn shop population. I'm sure if I were a convicted felon I could find a mole (probably a chick) to buy me whatever I wanted. Your bullshit NRA hyperbole isn't going to keep me from getting one if they're on the market. If you've pissed off so many people you need a semi automatic "deer rifle" then the NRA isn't going to save you anyway. If you don't know what an assault weapon is check any trunk in East LA. If you're wanted in California then rent any movie with a rapper costar. ;)

[RitcheyRch]

Well stated. I always wondered why they picked schools and other places where people would be unarmed or have little to no armed security. Makes perfect sense now.
Not really related but a somewhat funny story. A buddy of mine went shooting at an indoor shooting range on Parthenia in Northridge. Anyone familair with the area knows that this particular street is not very good and that some projects are across from the range. Long story short and hopefully dont screw up the interpretation, my buddy comes out of the range one night and some idiot tries to rob him with a knife. My buddy calmly told him, "I guess you didnt notice which building I came out of or notice that I am carrying a gun case for obvious reasons." Needles to say the guy ran off and my buddy gave a good description to the police.
Lets see now.
Va Tech had a strict policy (law) saying "NO GUNS ON CAMPUS".
There that should do it. A 100% ban on guns at that place. It sure worked didn't it?
Why don't the shooters go on sprees at Police Stations? Or National Guard/Military Bases? Or NRA meetings?
Why do they choose schools?
I'll tell you why. Because they know there will be no opposition. No defense. They will be free to kill and maim as many people as they want until confronted by someone else with a gun. Usually the police. Then they shoot themselves.
Gun bans don't work. Look at anywhere it's been done.
D.C. Detroit. New York City. Los Angeles. Chicago. Australia. Canada. Britain. Name it.
Take guns away from law abiding citizens and violent crime-robbery, rape, assaults, homicide, etc. always goes up. Every time.
Florida enacted a free carry law, and bad guys targeted foreign tourists leaving the airport. Why? Because they knew they wouldn't be armed.
Ever notice that all the gun grabbing politicians and spokesmen (Boxer, Pelosi, O'Donnel, Schumer, Clinton, and the rest) either have their own CCW or armed body guards?
Gee. Wonder why that is?

[Troy McClure]

Kansas makes up about 1/50th or less of the United States. Besides, pawn shop is an illustration. There are enough gun shows in Kansas selling semi automatic and automatic riflery to make up for pawn shop population. I'm sure if I were a convicted felon I could find a mole (probably a chick) to buy me whatever I wanted. Your bullshit NRA hyperbole isn't going to keep me from getting one if they're on the market. If you've pissed off so many people you need a semi automatic "deer rifle" then the NRA isn't going to save you anyway. If you don't know what an assault weapon is check any trunk in East LA. If you're wanted in California then rent any movie with a rapper costar. ;)
So, you're saying even if it is illegal for you to buy a weapon, you could still do it? Looks like you're arguing with yourself. :rolleyes:

[HM]

So, you're saying even if it is illegal for you to buy a weapon, you could still do it? Looks like you're arguing with yourself. :rolleyes:
He is really good at that. I stopped responding to his posts when I realized he is his own enemy and contradicts himself in almost every post he makes. He is entertaining and it is nice to see that they are giving internet access to retarted kids. I think he even gets satalite service on his short bus. :D

[Poster X]

I am saying that if they are on the free market anyone can find a way to get one!!!! SHEESH.
I am saying we need a moratorium on automatic weapons. Not weapons in general.
It's like you decide what something says and don't read it but are anxious to respond?
And.. it's students who kill at schools last time I checked. Usually it's postal workers who kill at the post office and more than likely..nut case neocons who kill in the workplace.

[Troy McClure]

I am saying that if they are on the free market anyone can find a way to get one!!!! SHEESH.
I am saying we need a moratorium on automatic weapons. Not weapons in general.
It's like you decide what something says and don't read it but are anxious to respond?
Free Market? Ever hear of Prohibition? The market was definitely free then. But it was "illegal" to buy booze. I've read your posts and as stated above they contradict themselves. :rolleyes: :confused:

[HM]

I am saying that if they are on the free market anyone can find a way to get one!!!! SHEESH.
I am saying we need a moratorium on automatic weapons. Not weapons in general.
It's like you decide what something says and don't read it but are anxious to respond?
You are so cute when you are flustered.
Oh, by the way...you have no clue what the right to bear arms is all about. Assault weapons would be PROMOTED by our fore-fathers. You see, back when they created the right to bear arms, a civilian force could come together and actually be a signficant force against a rogue government or rogue church or both. If you understand that, they you would realize that they would want civilian to be able to arm themselves to a level that could be a serious threat to a military force...not just individual threats. The whole analogy by liberals on this is flawed in every aspect - because they don't get it.
One day you will stop hiding behind your bag and join the community. We don't hate liberals, we just like toying with them. But don't get out a step or a will have my rapper costar bust a cap! :D

[Boatcop]

Kansas makes up about 1/50th or less of the United States. Besides, pawn shop is an illustration. There are enough gun shows in Kansas selling semi automatic and automatic riflery to make up for pawn shop population. I'm sure if I were a convicted felon I could find a mole (probably a chick) to buy me whatever I wanted. Your bullshit NRA hyperbole isn't going to keep me from getting one if they're on the market. If you've pissed off so many people you need a semi automatic "deer rifle" then the NRA isn't going to save you anyway. If you don't know what an assault weapon is check any trunk in East LA. If you're wanted in California then rent any movie with a rapper costar. ;)
Automatic weapons are illegal in every state, and illegal under Federal Law, except for people who are licensed by the BATF. And there are relatively few licenses granted.
The 1994 ban on "assault weapons" was based on what a weapon looked like , rather than it's functionality. Even though the types of weapons covered under the ban were rarely used in violent crimes at the time of passage. It was only AFTER the ban, that the supposed "assault weapons" gained favor by the criminal element.

[Seadog]

Ah, poser. Up to your old tricks, I see. I have always felt that the bag was to keep what's left of your brains from leaking out. Any intelligent person will agree that there needs to be controls on gun purchases. However, getting the combination that will protect the public and our rights, is the tricky part. Add the fact that while most people are legitimate, without proof how do you identify those who are not? And if you block legitimate purchases, how do you block black market weapons? There are no perfect solutions, because there are no perfect people. If there were, we would have no need for guns or gun laws.

[cdog]

They get them because they are in the free market. Almost any pawnshop has an automatic weapon license. Our policy on assault weapons is about like our policy on illegal aliens. We don't do anything and hope it goes away and when it doesn't everyone starts pointing fingers at everything but the obvious.
For other respondants:
I never said "afraid" of automatic weapons. I just think they are exploited as a freedom by the NRA and those dumb enough to believe it's a Constitutional issue. If you want to carry a handgun have at it. Wy wife carries one. If you want a shotgun or a bolt action rifle buy three. But if you think you need an automatic weapon then you are doing nothing but empowering the market and arming sonofabitches like that Korean in Virginia.
If you need a semi automatic weapon to bring down a deer not only do you have a little dick..you are a dick.
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Bag boy. Please get lost. You are an idiot. You know nothing about the 2nd amendment. The Constitution & Bill of rights are not an a la carte menu. Where does it say that guns are for hunting???????????????? No where! Pack your bags and move to the UK. The facts are in and you are wrong.

[Poster X]

Gosh. You guys are really smart. Maybe I'm in over my bag with this consorted brain trust? Somehow, I'll try to carry on in the face of this decisive cartel of ego and mental masturbation. ;)
I know y'all are regular Jeopardy alumni but you missed the part where I support the right to bear arms. I'm never far from a pistol.
It's ridiculous to assume anyone in this country will ever take up arms against a rogue government or rogue church outside of military service. Whichever one of you latched on to that lame old spiel..our forefathers would think you were a complete idiot and you COULD NOT be their latex salesman.
You indeed need a license to own automatic weapons. I'm sure our standards for that license are as high as our standards for political decency. Without googling it I'm prepared to guess there are a shocking number of those licenses in circulation? But.. semi automatic assault weapons which can be converted to full automatic weapons with just a hardware change are available nationwide. Who would have an interest in making this change? My guess would be a criminal. The odds of a decent hard workin citizen wanting an automatic weapon bad enough to do that are probably a million to one? The odds of a criminal doing it? I dunno... 1 in 10? 1 in a 100? One too many I'm sure.
Criminals and crazy people are going to be criminals and crazy, with or without us supplying them superior armaments. Bank robbers are still going to rob banks -- should we quit locking the banks because of it? I doubt it. And we definitely shouldn't be arming insane people with semi and automatic weapons. Yeah, they're still going to shoot people. Yeah, they're still going to rob banks (and in your cases vote) - but, we shouldn't have these class of weapons in the free market for the same reason, TNT, Hand Grenades, and Nitro Glycerine aren't readily available at your neighborhood gun shop.
I understand these chemicals can be made. I understand a criminal can buy a machine shop and make a machine gun. But.. I'm pretty sure fewer criminals would have them if they weren't so readily available in this country. I'm sure some smart businessman will make a pistol (if he hasn't already) that looks like an Uzi so people will still think you have a big dick.

[beaverretriever]

Lets see now.
Va Tech had a strict policy (law) saying "NO GUNS ON CAMPUS".
There that should do it. A 100% ban on guns at that place. It sure worked didn't it?
Why don't the shooters go on sprees at Police Stations? Or National Guard/Military Bases? Or NRA meetings?
Why do they choose schools?
I'll tell you why. Because they know there will be no opposition. No defense. They will be free to kill and maim as many people as they want until confronted by someone else with a gun. Usually the police. Then they shoot themselves.
Gun bans don't work. Look at anywhere it's been done.
D.C. Detroit. New York City. Los Angeles. Chicago. Australia. Canada. Britain. Name it.
Take guns away from law abiding citizens and violent crime-robbery, rape, assaults, homicide, etc. always goes up. Every time.
Florida enacted a free carry law, and bad guys targeted foreign tourists leaving the airport. Why? Because they knew they wouldn't be armed.
Ever notice that all the gun grabbing politicians and spokesmen (Boxer, Pelosi, O'Donnel, Schumer, Clinton, and the rest) either have their own CCW or armed body guards?
Gee. Wonder why that is?
HOLY CRAP, probably the best post ever!!!!!