Who's running a BBF Stroker

[Sanger Jet]

Who is running a BBF stroker? I am asking because I'm collecting parts and have Offy Tunnel,dual 750 edelbrocks,edelbrock performer rpm 75cc heads (new) and a great running stock 460 with a comp cam. Whats in your bottom end???

[dmontzsta]

What kind of stroker are you thinking of running?
I would PM Paul (LakesOnly).

[Sanger Jet]

I was thinking 533 I still want the hyd flat don't want to lash valves all day.

[hack job]

mine is a 501 bbf

[dmontzsta]

Just get a new Jon Kaase 901 cubic inch Ford and call it a day. :)

[roostwear]

Talk to Paul. Not that I have spoken to him about a 533 with D3s and 10.2:1 compression, but a little planning can produce a nice sleeper that nobody will notice (under an engine cover for instance).

[Sanger Jet]

Talk to Paul. Not that I have spoken to him about a 533 with D3s and 10.2:1 compression, but a little planning can produce a nice sleeper that nobody will notice (under an engine cover for instance).
I want the D3s out of my boat :argue:

[Schiada Time]

501 BBF-Weiand tunnel ram, Holley 600 double pumpers, Eagle Crank and Rods, JE 28 CC inverted dome pistons, Edelbrock aluminum 75 CC combustion chamber heads, Lunati Camshaft( I can get you specs) but it a hydraulic flat tappet, MSD Pro Billet distributor and box, coil). Running Bassett short collector OT's and had the pump worked by Jack McClure with an AB impeller, droop snoot, shoe and rideplate, and 1.5 stage blueprint. Boat ran 78 mph on GPS and motor made 533 HP at 5100 and 599 ft/lkbs at 4300. Hope this helps.
Red Rocker, hot Rod Hallett, hot Hallett-who am I today?

[Sanger Jet]

Rocker.......Were the crank/rods/pistons an assembly? or purchased sep.?

[Squirtcha?]

mine is a 501 bbf
Hacker, did you end up going with a hydraulic roller cam on your motor?

[Squirtin Thunder]

I will be running a base 429 short stroke with big bore.
I also have a stroked 429 that is around 466ci.
I may also run a 370ci small bore 429.

[IMPATIENT 1]

I want the D3s out of my boat :argue:
ME TOO! I'M RUNNIN .400 DOMES TO FILL EM.RATHER BE RUNNIN SOME FLAT-TOPS WITH ALOT MORE NITROUS.

[Ralph Brunt]

i've got a 501 solid roller cam d3's ported and flat top je pistons still building almost done victor intake talk to paul kane aka lakes only ralph

[flat broke]

Hacker, did you end up going with a hydraulic roller cam on your motor?
He's runnin a solid roller Dan.
Chris

[esabataj]

I'm running a 521
Scat 4.3 Stroker
Scat Chevy 6.800 H-beam Rods
Probe -22CC Soup bowl forged pistons .030 over
Fully ported Dove-A 2.19 int 1.76 Exh
10.89 Comp Ratio
Comp 306-S solid Flat tappet cam
Weind Stealth W/ 850 Double pumper
Mallory unilite W/Msd box
Twisting a berkley A to 6100rpm in a TX-19
Adding a 250 shot this winter and I'll see what that does :crossx:
You can also check on 460ford.com (http://www.460ford.com/)
A couple of the big dogs on the site can set you up with a kit spect to your build for very reasonable money.

[hack job]

He's runnin a solid roller Dan.
Chris
yup :cool:

[ONAROLL]

Who is running a BBF stroker? I am asking because I'm collecting parts and have Offy Tunnel,dual 750 edelbrocks,edelbrock performer rpm 75cc heads (new) and a great running stock 460 with a comp cam. Whats in your bottom end???
521, ported Dove-c's, flat tops, 6.8 aluminum rods, mellings pump,milodon 10 qt pan,main girdle, on the stand now, cant make up my mind on the offy with 750's or the Victor w/a Dominator, berk pump w/ all the goodies, mag bronze AA in a #350 boat......and really new to this blue oval thing!!!!! for info Paul Kane and Okie Dave have tons of experience with strokers....Vic

[RiverRacer]

I build and use them. I prefer either an offset ground stock Crank, Scat 9000 Cast or one of the new Forged Steel Cranks. Scat or Max Duty 'H' Beams with ARP 2000 Bolts and Diamond Pistons with 'Gap' type Rings. Depending on the rest of your combination, you can make well over 900 RELIABLE hp at around 6500 rpm normally aspirated with these types of parts as a base. Use the BEST parts you can comfortably afford, and put MOST of the your 'Mad Money' into the Induction side of your engine(Heads and Intake). You'll do OK. If you need help or have questions, just call, or see me at the River. RR

[OkieDave]

I have run 499, 521, and 557 BBF for the past 16 years. roller cams, hydraulic flat tappet cams, and solid flat tappets. Tunnel rams with dual 660's and Nos, wiend stealth with 830 cfm Holley, Victor Jr with 1150 Dominator, Tunell ram injected alcohal, etc. the best deal out there, for my money, is the 557 kit from Mustang Depot. $1200 gets you the crank, pistons, rods, rings and bearings. my last ski boat was a gull-wing style (out of the Wicked mold) with a 557 in it and it was very fast and very user friendly and low maintenance. my Cheyenne has one in it that was built two years ago. It turns a 9.5" AT impellor 5200 and with NOS it turns 5600. I am getting ready to assemble my third one of these for a ski boat I am building. Ron (Infomaniac) has the block and rotating assembly in his shop now for balancing and boring. I am buying heads (D3) from Lakes (Paul) in hopes of being able to run pump gas with the large D3 chambers. Even if you are doing a stock rebuild, you can't afford not to make a 557 incher out of it. The chevy guys hate it!

[Sanger Jet]

Dave check your pm's Thanks Darren

[FILUCKY]

521 and a 557, nothing fancy but they run O.K. and make good power down low, great for big cut impellers. :)

[Unchained]

I'm not that familiar with the 460 Fords but now that I've got one I need to learn a few things.
If I up the boost on this one whats the weak link ?
I don't know what (if anything) Eliminator had done to these motors when someone ordered the blower option. Maybe they just bolted it on and hoped for the best.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/220Daytonavdrivelr.jpg
It appears to be just a 6.71

[dmontzsta]

unchained, that is one CLEAN BBF.

[NELSON#109]

I'm not that familiar with the 460 Fords but now that I've got one I need to learn a few things.
If I up the boost on this one whats the weak link ?
I don't know what (if anything) Eliminator had done to these motors when someone ordered the blower option. Maybe they just bolted it on and hoped for the best.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/220Daytonavdrivelr.jpg
It appears to be just a 6.71
you need the super mag set up i have in my cp. super clean, fresh from joe hunt!!!! perfect for a blown engine!!!!!! simple worry free, and looks sweet...

[atxwrangler]

That Is A Wicked Looking Intake.i Think The Rods Are The Weak Link In A Ford.i Am Going To Put A 557 In My Southwind,asap.nice Boat ,btw!

[1slowboat]

I DO NOT TRUST STOCK FORD RODS!!!!!! I had one cashe a whole block, timming cover cam, dooly oil pan ect..ect..
I built a stroker with d3vea2a heads ported and pollished with 1.88 exaust,2.190 intake, weind tunnel ram, crower roller rockers, 3/8 push rods,bore was 4.390, stroke4.140, rod lenth6.700( eagle h beams ) on a 68 429 block, je pistons forged, compresion height of 1.520, piston weight 620
had to run dish ( inverted dome) because I wanted to run pump gas on it, came out to about 10:1,desk top said almost 620 hp, with the Comp cams cam I used...( 298h jet boat bracket race cam for jet boat with Aor B impellar....boat launched real hard and the tourq and hp was where I wanted to run the rpm, 5600 on an A/B impellar.....
just my little experiance ( .02 ) :)

[roostwear]

I'm not that familiar with the 460 Fords but now that I've got one I need to learn a few things.
If I up the boost on this one whats the weak link ?
I don't know what (if anything) Eliminator had done to these motors when someone ordered the blower option. Maybe they just bolted it on and hoped for the best.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/220Daytonavdrivelr.jpg
It appears to be just a 6.71
Very cool boat! As far as the engine is concerned, I don't know what year it is, but with a TR manifold modified for a blower, I'm guessing within the last 10 years. I would expect to see a M/T or Cragar blower mnifold if it were truly vintage. One weak link is the crank snout. With the length and diameter of the snout, the leverage of the pulleys can take it's toll. Looks like you're overdriving it already. What ratio?

[LakesOnly]

The 521 rotating assembly seems to be the real no-brainer package for a jet boat, be it mild (450-650 HP) or super high output (1000 HP). They are only .030" overbore on a stock 429/460 block and BAM! you got 521 cubes, you got a great rod ratio (better than a non-stroked 454 chevy) , inexpensive balancing, etc. In general, stroking seems to be where lots of power is lurking in these shortblocks.
As has been made very apparent on this thread by others, I love to make the stock stuff work. I am with RiverRacer when it comes to offset stroking the 460 cranks...they are my personal preference for a stoker motor up to 4.14-4.15(+) stroke (501-514 or so cubes). I have three personal stroker projects going on at the moment: a 3.95 stroke, a 4.14 stroke and a 4.59 stroke (<----offshore crank).
I agree that the oem stock 429/460 pistons and rods are probably the weak link(s) in these engines...when pushed hard. Most 460's I see on the lakes are not generating power greater than the stock rods stock handle. Also, these rods may be prepped for increase power handling, and finally there are plenty of rods these days that can be bought over the counter for strokers and non-stroked 429/460's.
Sanger Jet, check out the leads I gave you. Also, if those Edelbrocks are still new/in the box, I have to say that for the money they cost, there are much better aluminum heads on the market...see if you can exchange/get a refund. If not, then don't trip; they may be used just as well...
Paul

[Unchained]

Very cool boat! As far as the engine is concerned, I don't know what year it is, but with a TR manifold modified for a blower, I'm guessing within the last 10 years. I would expect to see a M/T or Cragar blower mnifold if it were truly vintage. One weak link is the crank snout. With the length and diameter of the snout, the leverage of the pulleys can take it's toll. Looks like you're overdriving it already. What ratio?
The whole package is factory original from 1983.
I have the original sales receipt. It was a $ 3300. option then and it voided the engine warranty. I'm thinking that $ 3300 was a lot of money in 1983 and that probably included some engine mods to hold up to the blower boost.
I've tried to call Eliminator a couple times but have not been able to get any info regarding any engine mods that may have been done to accomodate the blower addition. I'd like to know what's inside before I start giving it more abuse.
I didn't count the teeth on the pulleys but it appears to be running 1:1 on the blower speed. The Blower is a BDS and it was just rebuilt and never run. I'm not expecting wonders out of this package as compared to my other engine but It's quite a rare thing to have one that was factory rigged with a blower from that year.