Is abortion acceptable amoung Muslims?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Should be a simple question

[AzMandella]

Please elaborate.For I cannot see what this has to do with the price of tea in China.What does this have to do with Politics in any way.This is not the Religious Forum.

[Old Texan]

I think it should be mandatory.......:devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Please elaborate.For I cannot see what this has to do with the price of tea in China.What does this have to do with Politics in any way.This is not the Religious Forum.
Abortion is a politcal issue which is clearly separated by party lines.
Generally, pro choice follows the left while pro life follows the right

[Old Texan]

Abortion is a politcal issue which is clearly separated by party lines.
Generally, pro choice follows the left while pro life follows the right
And this from someone that has repeatedly stated they want to break down the wall dividing the country??????
And what purpose does it serve to debate how the Muslim religion views abortion anyway?
Abortion is a ridiculous debate that actually effects very few yet always muddies the waters on real issues taking attention away by means of stirring up emotions.
There I've made my statement and will not participate in an abortion thread.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

And this from someone that has repeatedly stated they want to break down the wall dividing the country??????
And what purpose does it serve to debate how the Muslim religion views abortion anyway?
Abortion is a ridiculous debate that actually effects very few yet always muddies the waters on real issues taking attention away by means of stirring up emotions.
There I've made my statement and will not participate in an abortion thread.
Tex,
"And what purpose does it serve to debate how the Muslim religion views abortion anyway?" This was not any part of the question.
If one truely is anti abortion ie Pro Life, and supports abolosihing abortion, this postion would/should apply to all mankind. Wouldn't you agree?
At least you were man enough to express your honest opinion.
I didn't start this thread to debate abortion. IMO Pro Life should mean exactly that. Pro Life is an issue that follows the veiws of the Right which is the same Right that seems to advocate war, as an early response.

[bigq]

as an early response.
early response:confused:
Don't you mean pro death as opposed to pro choice. Why sugar coat it to make it feel better. I am pretty sure that people on the right that are pro life mean to protect a life that is having decisions made for it since it can't make a decision yet. War is a decision of people with responsibilty and so called logic.
I would think that the pro life people would save a Muslim baby just the same.
and then convert it:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

early response:confused:
Don't you mean pro death as opposed to pro choice. Why sugar coat it to make it feel better. I am pretty sure that people on the right that are pro life mean to protect a life that is having decisions made for it since it can't make a decision yet. War is a decision of people with responsibilty and so called logic.
I would think that the pro life people would save a Muslim baby just the same.
and then convert it:D
Seems to me that those who preach Pro Life, mean eaxctly that. Pro Life
I would think that the pro life people would save a Muslim baby just the same
I would hope so

[bigq]

What:confused:
I said pro death as opposed to pro "choice" not life....
The term "Pro Life" is used to describe a political movement associated with the abortion laws that is all. Why are you mixing the two up?

[eliminatedsprinter]

Abortion is a politcal issue which is clearly separated by party lines.
Generally, pro choice follows the left while pro life follows the right
Pro life follows religious "right". But since all political philosophys other than communisim and socialism are considered "right", then the right's views on this can be pretty much accross the board. I know I'm a right winger and mine are...;)

[eliminatedsprinter]

early response:confused:
Don't you mean pro death as opposed to pro choice. Why sugar coat it to make it feel better. I am pretty sure that people on the right that are pro life mean to protect a life that is having decisions made for it since it can't make a decision yet. War is a decision of people with responsibilty and so called logic.
I would think that the pro life people would save a Muslim baby just the same.
and then convert it:D
Then the Muslims would have to kill it, because the penalty for leaving islam is death.

[bigq]

Then the Muslims would have to kill it, because the penalty for leaving islam is death.
well...it will need to get in line then

[Old Texan]

the same Right that seems to advocate war, as an early response.
The USA doesn't and hasn't advocated war nor have they started war. They have responded. I am not going into the reasons for the Iraq war as you have continuously overlooked (refused to look or admit) the years of dialogue and negotiating leading up to that point in 2003. This topic has been beat to death and it always comes full circle with same arguments about the state of the dictatorship in control, WMD's, UN sanctions, UN membership violations of those sanctions, and the open tyranny of the Husseins and the Jihadists. But the left stays with their contentions the Bush White House went to war on their own rather than with the vote and consent of Congress. That is false.
This question that started the thread is completely irrelevant and doesn't address the issue of Islamic Fascism which is the real "issue" that keeps getting pushed aside by all the ridiculous banteing by both sides. It is the core of the problem we face today and it is why we are even at war. al Quaeda and their like groups want to bring the world to it's knees and will stop at nothing to accomplish their goal. If the Iraqi people could expel their invaders they would, look to the northern Kurdish region and it's quite evident what Iraq's citizens desire. The only abortion they debate is the retroactive kind towards all "Jihadists" that are terrorizing their land and the world.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What:confused:
I said pro death as opposed to pro "choice" not life....
The term "Pro Life" is used to describe a political movement associated with the abortion laws that is all. Why are you mixing the two up?
The subject of this thread pertains to abortion. (Pro Life) Don't think that I am mixing up anything.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims. I should have asked the question in these words.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims
The USA doesn't and hasn't advocated war nor have they started war. They have responded. I am not going into the reasons for the Iraq war as you have continuously overlooked (refused to look or admit) the years of dialogue and negotiating leading up to that point in 2003. This topic has been beat to death and it always comes full circle with same arguments about the state of the dictatorship in control, WMD's, UN sanctions, UN membership violations of those sanctions, and the open tyranny of the Husseins and the Jihadists. But the left stays with their contentions the Bush White House went to war on their own rather than with the vote and consent of Congress. That is false.
The USA doesn't and hasn't advocated war nor have they started war.
They have responded. I am not going into the reasons for the Iraq war as you have continuously overlooked (refused to look or admit) the years of dialogue and negotiating leading up to that point in 2003
The primary reason presented to the public for starting a war in Iraq, was WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. This isn't a fact?
The US lauched a full scale air attack on Iraq, killing thousands in response to what? Our attack was not a defensive one. To the contrary.
Back to the subject of this thread
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?

[eliminatedsprinter]

Is this some kind of cheezy attempt to link pro life conservatives beliefs with those of islamists????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Should be a simple question
It's not. Because Muslims also disagree among themselves on this. For approx 1400 years most clerics regognized some islamic "haddiths" (SP?) that said life didn't start until the 4th month and that abortion before the 4th month is permissable, however many clerics are no longer recogniziing this yadda yadda yaddaa.....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It's not. Because Muslims also disagree among themselves on this. For approx 1400 years most clerics regognized some islamic "haddiths" (SP?) that said life didn't start until the 4th month and that abortion before the 4th month is permissable, however many clerics are no longer recogniziing this....
Is this some kind of cheezy attempt to link pro life conservatives beliefs with those of islamists????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Not in the slightest.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?

[eliminatedsprinter]

Not in the slightest.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?
I can't speak for those who are opposed to all abortion, but
I'm sure they do....Is this supposed to get to some point or do you really not know what "pro life" people mean when they say they oppose all abortion??
P.S. There are many lefties that are "pro life". L.A.'s Cardinal Mahoney is very socialist in his politics, but he is staunchly anti abortion....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I can't speak for those who are opposed to all abortion, but
I'm sure they do....Is this supposed to get to some point or do you really not know what "pro life" people mean when they say they oppose all abortion??
P.S. There are many lefties that are "pro life". L.A.'s Cardinal Mahoney is very socialist in his politics, but he is staunchly anti abortion....
ES,
Are you pro choice or pro life? If you are pro life, please answer my question.
Thanks

[Old Texan]

The primary reason presented to the public for starting a war in Iraq, was WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. This isn't a fact?
As stated ealier you do not recognize the facts of how the Iraq invasion came about. WMD's were the major concern in accordance with the Hussein regime's refusal to honor UN sanctions. At the time the general consensus of the majority of the world believed they had WMD's, they had already used them against the Kurds, and there was definite proof they had intent to further their efforts to produce more and dealier weapons.
In essense the war in Iraq was started by the Hussein regime when they invaded their neighbors and murdered their population. The only reason they had not futhered their efforts was the embargos and polic actions of US led UN faction.
Here's an anology for you. What would happen in the town you live in if all police authority was removed? How long and how much time would pass when lawlessnes prevailed and the town attracted an outside criminal element beacuse they now had a sanctuary where there was no law to arrest them nor keep them from doing illegal activities. Rule by bullies. This growth of bad guys would eventually make your town unsafe for you and your family. Kind of like how it was in Iraq????

[eliminatedsprinter]

ES,
Are you pro choice or pro life? If you are pro life, please answer my question.
Thanks
My views on this are not as simple as "pro choice" or "pro life".
IN SHORT:
I am not in favor of banning, or restricting womens access to, 1rst trimester abortions...
I think the AMA should regulate the ethics re abortions, like they do many other medical practices. I think the ethics of abortion should be (man I hate to use the phrase should be) the concern of the AMA not government.
I do not think the subject of abortions is a federal govenment concern, unless it is being done in military hospitals, V.A.s, or with federal tax funds.
I know the the procedure that is often called "Partial Birth Abortion" is almost never (if ever) needed to save the life of a mother, unlike what those who favor it often say. I also know it is not done electively anywhere near as often as those who are "pro life" claim it is.
I think that there needs to be a major discussion involving the scientific community, the medical field, our political leaders, the clergy etc, as well the public at large to attempt to decide if the procedure of "Partial Birth Abortion" (as it is commenly discribed) is in fact abortion at all, or rather infanticide. If the consensus is that it is the latter, it would then become a matter for government and the criminal justice system to deal with.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My views on this are not as simple as "pro choice" or "pro life".
IN SHORT:
I am not in favor of banning, or restricting womens access to, 1rst trimester abortions...
I think the AMA should regulate the ethics re abortions, like they do many other medical practices. I think the ethics of abortion should be (man I hate to use the phrase should be) the concern of the AMA not government.
I do not think the subject of abortions is a federal govenment concern, unless it is being done in military hospitals, V.A.s, or with federal tax funds.
I know the the procedure that is often called "Partial Birth Abortion" is almost never (if ever) needed to save the life of a mother, unlike what those who favor it often say. I also know it is not done electively anywhere near as often as those who are "pro life" claim it is.
I think that there needs to be a major discussion involving the scientific community, the medical field, our political leaders, the clergy etc, as well the public at large to attempt to decide if the procedure of "Partial Birth Abortion" (as it is commenly discribed) is in fact abortion at all, or rather infanticide. If the consensus is that it is the latter, it would then become a matter for government and the criminal justice system to deal with.
Obviously, aside from Partial Birth Abortion, you are Pro Choice. For the record, I am not a fan of any abortion, but I am Pro Choice as well. early on.
Thanks for giving a straight answer.

[asch]

Is this some kind of cheezy attempt to link pro life conservatives beliefs with those of islamists????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No. Global Warming. If we gave it enough time, I'm sure it would get there.:)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

No. Global Warming. If we gave it enough time, I'm sure it would get there.:)
Good answer:rolleyes:
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?

[Steve 1]

The subject of this thread pertains to abortion. (Pro Life) Don't think that I am mixing up anything.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims. I should have asked the question in these words.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims
The USA doesn't and hasn't advocated war nor have they started war.
They have responded. I am not going into the reasons for the Iraq war as you have continuously overlooked (refused to look or admit) the years of dialogue and negotiating leading up to that point in 2003
The primary reason presented to the public for starting a war in Iraq, was WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. This isn't a fact?
The US lauched a full scale air attack on Iraq, killing thousands in response to what? Our attack was not a defensive one. To the contrary.
Back to the subject of this thread
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?
Wrong Leftie.
1. Saddam possessed WMD (now apparently refuted by the Duelfer report).
2. He had ties to terrorists, including members of al-Qaida (confirmed by the 9/11 commission).
3. He had never abided by the terms of the Persian Gulf War "cease-fire" (confirmed by the United Nations).
4. He was engaged in a systematic pattern of deception regarding his weapons capabilities (confirmed by the Duelfer report and chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix).
5. He intended to develop additional WMD programs (confirmed by Duelfer).
6. Saddam's removal would help in the war on terror by initiating the democratization of the Middle East.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Wrong Leftie.
1. Saddam possessed WMD (now apparently refuted by the Duelfer report).
2. He had ties to terrorists, including members of al-Qaida (confirmed by the 9/11 commission).
3. He had never abided by the terms of the Persian Gulf War "cease-fire" (confirmed by the United Nations).
4. He was engaged in a systematic pattern of deception regarding his weapons capabilities (confirmed by the Duelfer report and chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix).
5. He intended to develop additional WMD programs (confirmed by Duelfer).
6. Saddam's removal would help in the war on terror by initiating the democratization of the Middle East.
Answer the qusetion that is the subjsct of this thread.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?
initiating the democratization of the Middle East
Your words.

[SHOTKALLIN]

Muslims only have sex to procreate right? They are so strict with their religion I would imagine that getting jiggy on Saturday night would be against Ala's wishes. Do they wash their feet first? When doing it doggy style do they face Mecca? Do they let the woman take the veil off?
I just wonder.:D

[Steve 1]

Answer the qusetion that is the subjsct of this thread.
Do those who oppose abortion oppsose abortion by Muslims?
initiating the democratization of the Middle East
Your words.
Wrong again going for the record ??

[Steve 1]

Muslims only have sex to procreate right? They are so strict with their religion I would imagine that getting jiggy on Saturday night would be against Ala's wishes. Do they wash their feet first? When doing it doggy style do they face Mecca? Do they let the woman take the veil off?
I just wonder.:D
The Pedophile Mo talked about entering woman from behind maybe but again maybe they were just ugly.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Wrong again going for the record ??
Still ducking the question.
I'll ask it a way that even you can understand.
Do you believe that it is OK for Muslims to have abortions?
Obviously you will not answer a question that will expose you for the hypocrite that you are or you ar incapable of intelligent thought. My guess is both.
Let me help you,
WRONG AGAIN!
The only thing wrong here is your continued refusal to be a man and answer a simple question.
I'm done wasting my time trying to get an honest answer from you.

[Moneypitt]

Do you believe that it is OK for Muslims to have abortions?
Yes..........

[ULTRA26 # 1]

MP,
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

[eliminatedsprinter]

MP,
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Ultra, I'm honetly not getting the point here. Are you expecting the folks here that are strongly anti abortion to say yes it is ok for muslims to have abortions?? That would be the logical equivalent of asking them if they thought it would be ok for muslims to murder other muslims. As you know, I am not anti choice, but I understand the anti abortion/anti choice point of view and I have many friends who are staunchly anti all abortion and none of them think it is ok for anyone to have an abortion, whether they (the ones having the abortions) are muslim or not is irrelevent.:confused:

[QuickJet]

I'm conservative and I am all for abortion. Most people gettting abortions are poor white trash, minorities with no future and teenagers who have no buisiness raising a child. All they would do is breed more like them. As far as muslums go, I'm all for aborting those stinky ragheads either in or out of the womb. Shit, lets make it retroactive and start killing all those who should of been aborted years ago.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra, I'm honetly not getting the point here. Are you expecting the folks here that are strongly anti abortion to say yes it is ok for muslims to have abortions?? That would be the logical equivalent of asking them if they thought it would be ok for muslims to murder other muslims. As you know, I am not anti choice, but I understand the anti abortion/anti choice point of view and I have many friends who are staunchly anti all abortion and none of them think it is ok for anyone to have an abortion, whether they (the ones having the abortions) are muslim or not is irrelevent.:confused:
The point here was primarily directed at one member who, in the past. has continually expressed his extreme right side views and that anything position even slightly left of center is wrong and/or a liberal lie. This same member also boasts that all Muslims should be eliminated by whatever means available. I had hoped that this member would honestly answer the question which would expose him as the hypocrite that he is. However, this member will not answer this question which is one of personal opinion and not one requiring a great deal of research. Obviously a failed attempt on my part. Again, thanks for your contribution. :)

[Old Texan]

The point here was primarily directed at one member who, in the past. has continually expressed his extreme right side views and that anything position even slightly left of center is wrong and/or a liberal lie. This same member also boasts that all Muslims should be eliminated by whatever means available. I had hoped that this member would honestly answer the question which would expose him as the hypocrite that he is. However, this member will not answer this question which is one of personal opinion and not one requiring a great deal of research. Obviously a failed attempt on my part. Again, thanks for your contribution. :)
Just as I suspected, another Liberal social experiment gone wrong.....:D :D

[gochappy]

No. Global Warming. If we gave it enough time, I'm sure it would get there.:)
dang it...did Al Gore make a movie on abortion and I missed it...

[Forkin' Crazy]

I'm conservative and I am all for abortion. Most people gettting abortions are poor white trash, minorities with no future and teenagers who have no buisiness raising a child. All they would do is breed more like them. As far as muslums go, I'm all for aborting those stinky ragheads either in or out of the womb. Shit, lets make it retroactive and start killing all those who should of been aborted years ago.
I'll agree with that!!! :)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Should be a simple question
You like to look foolish when posting on things you don't know squat about don't ya?:idea:
Ho hummmmmm............... :rolleyes:
Find a muslim and ask them.
Any muslims on the board to speak to this???????

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Is this some kind of cheezy attempt to link pro life conservatives beliefs with those of islamists????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yes.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It's not. Because Muslims also disagree among themselves on this. For approx 1400 years most clerics regognized some islamic "haddiths" (SP?) that said life didn't start until the 4th month and that abortion before the 4th month is permissable, however many clerics are no longer recogniziing this yadda yadda yaddaa.....
This is irrelevant, because Ultra does not believe in changes in religious doctrine as time passes.
For confirmation of this, see also his views on the 6th commandment of Christianity.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

ES,
Are you pro DEATH or pro life? If you are pro life, please answer my question.
Thanks
Corrected for you in the interest of intelectual integrity Ultra.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Wrong Leftie.
1. Saddam possessed WMD (now apparently refuted by the Duelfer report).
2. He had ties to terrorists, including members of al-Qaida (confirmed by the 9/11 commission).
3. He had never abided by the terms of the Persian Gulf War "cease-fire" (confirmed by the United Nations).
4. He was engaged in a systematic pattern of deception regarding his weapons capabilities (confirmed by the Duelfer report and chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix).
5. He intended to develop additional WMD programs (confirmed by Duelfer).
6. Saddam's removal would help in the war on terror by initiating the democratization of the Middle East.
All those points are irrelevant Steve, since Ultra:
a.- does not believe in war
b.- does not believe in killing
c.- does not like Bush protecting the nation.
d.- will never believe Iraq should have been invaded.
e.- he WAS impressed since you gave him a new word: "democratization"
(you probably should have included a definition though)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Muslims only have sex to procreate right? They are so strict with their religion I would imagine that getting jiggy on Saturday night would be against Ala's wishes. Do they wash their feet first? When doing it doggy style do they face Mecca? Do they let the woman take the veil off?
I just wonder.:D
Now THOSE are questions worthy of a thread. :D
Do take notes Ultra.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

The point here was primarily directed at one member who, in the past. has continually expressed his extreme right side views and that anything position even slightly left of center is wrong and/or a liberal lie. This same member also boasts that all Muslims should be eliminated by whatever means available. I had hoped that this member would honestly answer the question which would expose him as the hypocrite that he is. However, this member will not answer this question which is one of personal opinion and not one requiring a great deal of research. Obviously a failed attempt on my part. Again, thanks for your contribution. :)
Yes, you ARE quite good at personal opinion which requires little or no research.
unfortunate for you that nobody wishes to play your game.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Yes, you ARE quite good at personal opinion which requires little or no research.
unfortunate for you that nobody wishes to play your game.
Then tell me oh great one, why do you continue to play?
e.- he WAS impressed since you gave him a new word: "democratization"
(you probably should have included a definition though)
Not impressed at all. Just seemed odd for someone who seems to have no thoughts other than Democrats are the enemy, to say that democratization was our goal in Iraq.
Sorry for diatribing again :D:D

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Because, in a sadistic way, I am enjoying beating your knuckles with the ruler that Sister Mary should have used to keep you paying attention in class.:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Because, in a sadistic way, I am enjoying beating your knuckles with the ruler that Sister Mary should have used to keep you paying attention in class.:D
It's big of you to see it that way. However, I'm not surprised as your ego couldn't handle any less. Maybe you need a bigger stick cause you're just not getting to me. :eek:

[eliminatedsprinter]

Ahhhh,:D it's good to see that all is well agian and we are back to being one big happy family.;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :D