Who Knows Hemi Engines?????

[Dans66Stevens]

I have neighbor who has a fire truck. It has a hemi engine. I have been trying to find out what it is. The truck is a 1954. On the fire wall is a plate that says Marine/Industrial 413 Firepower.
Is it possible this is a 413? I have never heard of a 413. It has the spark plugs through the valve covers. It has two carbs. Dist. is in the front.
I have a 1946 Dodge that im going to make a Street Rod out of someday. I think this motor would be kinda cool.

[restofreak]

My Dad has a '66 Hallett with a blown 392 Hemi in it and he's a Hemi freak. I'm seeing him tommorrow and I'll ask. I know there was a 354 Hemi that was marine/industrial.
RF

[Lumpy]

Dan,
The 413 first came out in in production vehicles in 1959 and was gone by 1965. I am not sure how much difference the industrial version was. The 426 was just more popular. The 413 has about the same hp/torque ratings as the 426. My buddy has 2 426 hemi cars. They rated them at 425hp stock with 2 carters but everyone know that it was at least 500hp. The early 413's had either 11:1 or 13.5:1 compression. The later versions were 10:1. That is a great engine. Have fun and good luck! Lumpy
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[Unchained]

I know a guy who has an air raid siren powered by a chrysler hemi. It is mounted on a trailer. I will take a pic of it next time I get to his house. Whenever he starts it the cops come over.

[Dans66Stevens]

So a 413 could be a Hemi????

[Thunderbutt]

Dan, If the plugs are in the center of the valve cover it is proberly a Hemi head motor. Originally posted by Dans66Stevens:
So a 413 could be a Hemi????

[Kurtis500]

Dans66Stevens, I race an early model hemi (392) and have some of that stuff laying around here. Have him get the serial #'s off the front of the block, top side where the valley cover goes by the water pump. I can tell you exactly what it is. FirePower is a name for thier motors, along with Firedome, Redram etc. Its not a 413, no such early hemi, 392 was the biggest. There are about 10 different possible cubic inch #'s. 241, 259, 315, 325, 331, and 354. Though I dont think the 354 was around in 1954. Those are the industial engines. 270, 331 and 354 are the Marine engines. However, 2 4barrels werent used until 57 I believe on the Chysler 300's. Anyways, get that # I tell you what it is.

[Dans66Stevens]

Kurtis500 that is exactly what I thought. No such thing as a 413. This engine has no numbers on the pad by the Valley. It is blank. It has two two barrells. The only info I can find is this tag on the firewall that says 413 Marine,Industrial.

[DaveA]

Hey Dan,
Look at www.powerplayhemi.com (http://www.powerplayhemi.com) for more early hemi info. This guy has an early Stevens w/a 392 here in NC.
Hope this helps...let him know you've got a v-drive.
Dave
Lake Norman NC

[Dans66Stevens]

Thanks, that is a cool web site. I sent him a e-mail. I think from his web-site it must be a 354.

[Backfire]

My 73 motorhome is built on a Dodge industrial chassis which came equipped with an industrial 413. It is a wedge-head thats similar to a 440. The hemi in that firetruck was probably swapped in, don't you think?

[Dans66Stevens]

If the engine was ever changed it was done many years ago. It looks all original.

[Kurtis500]

It wouldnt be a hemi if it was a 413. Only thing close is 417 Donovan which is a stroked 392. Most this stuff is for fuel racing and is mostly interchangable with the 392. Donovan stuff is all aftermarket.

[MoJetBoPar]

ALL 413's were non-Hemi Wedge type motors.
Some Industrial engines had an extended crank flange that makes them not usable in the automotive applications, maybe marine too?
413's were produced into the 70's in RV applications only. Passenger car it was 65' when that stopped.

[old rigger]

DaveA:
Hey Dan,
Look at www.powerplayhemi.com (http://www.powerplayhemi.com) for more early hemi info. This guy has an early Stevens w/a 392 here in NC.
Hope this helps...let him know you've got a v-drive.
Dave
Lake Norman NCdave,
does he have a pic of his boat on the site? Couldn't find one.
I love the pic of the ford flathead with the Ardun heads on it, which were pre 331 Chrysler Hemi. Designed by Zora Duntov (father of the Corvette) for use on trash trucks in Europe, they quickly found their way into the hands of hot rodders, making the old water boiler a screamer.
I've never had either, a set of Arudun heads or a mopor Hemi, but from what I've read, the hemi heads were closely patterned after the Ardun. Any truth to this?

[DaveA]

OR,
I couldn't find a reference to his boat, either. I think its a 63 Stevens if memory serves. I haven't seen him in a couple of years, now that I think about it, and he didn't get the boat wet very often anyway. He used to set up at the big AutoFair at Charlotte Motor Speedway every spring.
Regarding the Ardun heads, I remember something about his being involved, but have never seen those heads in the flesh.
Have had an AIRPLANE with a Ford flattie in it! FAA-certified/type certificated, too. Had Edelbrock finned alum heads and a Stromberg 97 on it.
Bet you Okie A&P's haven't seen that one at the local aerodrome.
Oops...I hear my neighbor has fired up his DCB Mach..gotta run outside and see him 'take off'.
DaveA

[old rigger]

dave,
that plane sounds prety cool. I've never seen one with a flattie V8 before.
A guy in a club I use to be in -4 EVER 4-, his dad lives in az and he builds reproduction Pietapol(sp?) airplanes, using Model A and B fords for power. I've also seen one with a T motor in it. Said it'd do about 60 miles an hour. Pretty scarry when you think about the T engine, no water pump, oil pump, or distributor and babbit bearings, powering a plane. I think I'd rather walk.
I did ride in a Ford Tri Motor last year. It was fun. Looked down over the freeway and the cars were going much faster than we were.
The Ardun heads are being reproduced again for the flattie. I think around 15 grand for a set. They're nice, and powerful, both the original and the repos. The name Ardun came from Duntov's name, Zora Arkus-Duntov, the Ar and the Dun. How'd you like to be tagged with a name like that.

[old rigger]

dave,
that plane sounds prety cool. I've never seen one with a flattie V8 before.
A guy in a club I use to be in -4 EVER 4-, his dad lives in az and he builds reproduction Pietapol(sp?) airplanes, using Model A and B fords for power. I've also seen one with a T motor in it. Said it'd do about 60 miles an hour. Pretty scarry when you think about the T engine, no water pump, oil pump, or distributor and babbit bearings, powering a plane. I think I'd rather walk.
I did ride in a Ford Tri Motor last year. It was fun. Looked down over the freeway and the cars were going much faster than we were.
The Ardun heads are being reproduced again for the flattie. I think around 15 grand for a set. They're nice, and powerful, both the original and the repos. The name Ardun came from Duntov's name, Zora Arkus-Duntov, the Ar and the Dun. How'd you like to be tagged with a name like that.

[old rigger]

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[058]

O.R. Those Ardun heads were originally made for garbage trucks in England [lorries] in 1938. I do remember reading somewhere that the Chrysler Hemi heads were fashoned after the Ardun heads as well as the rocker arrangement. Harrah's Collection had a stock Ardun/flathead engine on the stand in the Ford hall when it was together. The plaque had a brief history of the Ardun and its designer, Z. Duntov. Its really a shame that museum was broken up and sold off. I was told it was the biggest private collection in the world, over 1100 cars on display plus all the different engines on stands thru out the 3 buildings that the collecion was stored in. Not to mention the restoration shop that he had when he was alive.

[LeE ss13]

OK Mopar Maniacs .... here's one for you ... what was the engine in the car featured in the movie "Christine".... The motor came two ways,.... with two WCFBs carter four barrel carbs or Electronic fuel injection that was all recalled. It was the first "B" block with the distributor in front. The "RB" block came later. 413, 426, 440. "RB" meaning 'raised block'. Higher deck. If you have a 1958 Chilton manuel... look it up.
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LeE ss13

[058]

Larry, was that a low deck 361? I'm not a Mopar Maniac but I do somewhat remember those old dynosaurs from the 50s. A fellow I went to hi-school with set the NHRA class record with one of those engines in a 58 Plymouth. Don't ask me what class he ran, my memory isn't that good.

[Kurtis500]

I would guess a 361 also..???..

[058]

Well....did I win? Do I get to choose door #1, #2 or #3? Or do I get sent home with some lovely parting gifts?

[LeE ss13]

Sorry for taking so long... It was 350 cubic inches. 1958 only. In 1959 it went to 361 CI. I think it only came in the Savoy like the one featured in the movie. I think in that year the crank only had 5 bolts in the flang that was later changed to 6, and then 8 on the Hemis and 440s.
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LeE ss13

[MoJetBoPar]

Christine had either a 318 "A" or "Poly/Polysherical" motor or a 350 B-motor wedge as mentioned. I can't remember which. It seems like Christine was a 57, so that would be the Poly.
The early B-motors did come with an 8-bolt flange on the crank.
Did you guys know that from about 59-61 there was an RB 383 with puny (4.06?) bore and the 3.75" crank?