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Jbb
02-15-2006, 03:15 AM
Hmmmm (http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html)

djunkie
02-15-2006, 03:16 AM
Ya but its still a Ford...... :yuk: :yuk:

WUTWZAT
02-15-2006, 06:29 AM
Yeah, but does it float?
Ready by Aug 2008, would be nice, I wonder how they will look then? :crossx:
Jason

AzMandella
02-15-2006, 09:25 AM
All you Chevy guy's have nothing to worry about.Chevy will be copying Ford soon enough as usual.Or hell they might even wait till some Japanese company develops it and buy them from them like they do with their diesels. :rollside: :)

SummitKarl
02-15-2006, 09:31 AM
Ya but its still a Ford...... :yuk: :yuk:
ahhhhhh..... poor Djunkie couldn't afFORD the extra few bucks for a quality product :crossx: :argue: :)

Mr. Pixilated
02-15-2006, 09:32 AM
Ya but its still a Ford...... :yuk: :yuk:
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: Stink'n Pie Hole!!! I use Chevy's to wipe my ars hole with....J/K....I think everyone needs a 2 Chevy because if one breaks you'll have another to get yo ars home.... :yuk: :yuk: :p

Hardly Satisfied
02-15-2006, 09:32 AM
we will have to wait and see

Sleek-Jet
02-15-2006, 09:35 AM
Ford has been working on that idea for quite a while now. I remember reading about it back in 2000 or so. Back then it was supposed to be on the heavy duty truck (F250/350).
An interesting idea, but it has got to be a mechanical nightmare to pull off with any reliability.

dmontzsta
02-15-2006, 10:13 AM
Fords rock.

piper
02-15-2006, 10:20 AM
If the Ford truck is so good than why does the US government and my agency provide us with 2500HD's and Suburans to patrol in or escort important people to certain locations. The GM trucks here have taken a whoopin and they still come though for us. Even with all the extra weight of the internal armor. I don't want to start any trouble with you Ford guys but I'm just saying. :argue:

AzMandella
02-15-2006, 10:25 AM
If the Ford truck is so good than why does the US government and my agency provide us with 2500HD's and Suburans to patrol in or escort important people to certain locations. The GM trucks here have taken a whoopin and they still come though for us. Even with all the extra weight of the internal armor. I don't want to start any trouble with you Ford guys but I'm just saying. :argue:
With all due respect the government has proven year after year that they have no clue when it comes to spending money.They also pay 800$ for crecent wrenches and over 1000$ for toilet seats.So I wouldn't have much faith in thier decision making when it comes to vehicles.

riverracerx
02-15-2006, 10:27 AM
Lowest bidder! Govt contracts. ;)

Sleek-Jet
02-15-2006, 10:33 AM
...buy them from them like they do with their diesels. :rollside: :)
You mean like Ford does with Navistar or Dodge/Chrysler does with Cummins??? :D :D :D

Biglue
02-15-2006, 10:49 AM
Do these cleaner burning trucks have the same HP/torque ratings as conventional gas engines? I have yet to see any ratings. Shit it would be way cool to own one and still be able to tow with them.

AzMandella
02-15-2006, 10:55 AM
You mean like Ford does with Navistar or Dodge/Chrysler does with Cummins??? :D :D :D
I didn't say I don't believe in outsourcing.Besides Ford and Dodge worked with International and Cummins to develop those motors.Ford has been working with Intenational for over 25 yrs on their diesel program.The y didn't just figure out how to bolt a Jap motor in it.
P.S. Hey Arron!

Racer277
02-15-2006, 11:03 AM
If Ford and GM could deliver on just 75% of what this proposes, It could save their asses. Even if it's rocket science, few have the resources that they do to put into such an important (for them) project.

Do F150's Float?
02-15-2006, 11:06 AM
Bummer...i thought someone was looking for me! :D

dmontzsta
02-15-2006, 11:07 AM
If the Ford truck is so good than why does the US government and my agency provide us with 2500HD's and Suburans to patrol in or escort important people to certain locations. The GM trucks here have taken a whoopin and they still come though for us. Even with all the extra weight of the internal armor. I don't want to start any trouble with you Ford guys but I'm just saying. :argue:
The government is not the best stepping stone. Basically, it is all about money, I bet chevy makes next to nothing for their sales to the government.
Why do all the cop cars crown vics? this could go on and on...

maxwedge
02-15-2006, 11:07 AM
So far it's taken them six months to make me a replacement cruise control switch for my F150. I'm not going to hold my breath on the super duper new hybrid technology. :rolleyes:

Biglue
02-15-2006, 11:08 AM
Bummer...i thought someone was looking for me! :D
Hey neighbor. :rollside:

pixilatedpussy
02-15-2006, 11:09 AM
FORDS ROCK! :p

Do F150's Float?
02-15-2006, 11:09 AM
Hey neighbor. :rollside:
Hiya! I ditched work today...hahaha... :boxed:

Biglue
02-15-2006, 11:10 AM
The government is not the best stepping stone. Basically, it is all about money, I bet chevy makes next to nothing for their sales to the government.
Why do all the cop cars crown vics? this could go on and on...
If you're aksing why all the cop cars are crown vics, it's because GM nipped the the Caprice production. Dodge is going to be a choice here pretty soon.

Biglue
02-15-2006, 11:11 AM
Hiya! I ditched work today...hahaha... :boxed:
YOu oughta be ashamed of yourself. :crossx:

Sleek-Jet
02-15-2006, 11:12 AM
I didn't say I don't believe in outsourcing.Besides Ford and Dodge worked with International and Cummins to develop those motors.Ford has been working with Intenational for over 25 yrs on their diesel program.The y didn't just figure out how to bolt a Jap motor in it.
P.S. Hey Arron!
Oh, I see how it is. GM develops an entire power train (not just the engine) with the help of another company and that's a bad thing since that company is Japanese. :skull:
Ford/Chrysler drop "off the shelf diesels" in existing trucks and have all sorts of transmission reliablity problems and that's ok... :D :D
'Sup Marvin... drove up to Apache last weekend... should have taken the boat. :D

Do F150's Float?
02-15-2006, 11:18 AM
YOu oughta be ashamed of yourself. :crossx:
Not so much...the last time i took a day off was for the parker 300!!! Plus...my friend sailor jerry made sure i couldn't get out of bed this morning ;) :hammerhea

Biglue
02-15-2006, 11:23 AM
Not so much...the last time i took a day off was for the parker 300!!! Plus...my friend sailor jerry made sure i couldn't get out of bed this morning ;) :hammerhea
gotcha

Jesster
02-15-2006, 11:58 AM
If the Ford truck is so good than why does the US government and my agency provide us with 2500HD's and Suburans to patrol in or escort important people to certain locations. The GM trucks here have taken a whoopin and they still come though for us. Even with all the extra weight of the internal armor. I don't want to start any trouble with you Ford guys but I'm just saying. :argue:
That all comes down to who turned the best bid to the government not who makes the best truck. Its the only way Chevy can keep the yearly numbers close to what Fords are :)
I remember reading about this a while back tell me if its something else. The hydralic system stores potential energy from the kinetic energy generated by the braking sysem then uses it to assist the vehicle as it takes off from a stop. Thats probably why the numbers are based off city driving.

spectras only
02-15-2006, 12:15 PM
http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/BTR-60-1n.jpg
This truck we had in the army had a huge flywheel to start the engine when the battery went bad. Why not use this kinetic energy in the new vehicles , instead of hydraulics that's just another source for leaks :p .Flywheels on all wheels and in the engine or tranny . When I was a kid [ 50's 60's :2purples: ] hated going to the dentist .Thought back then ,compressed
air with a small turbine wheel could spin that damn drill to get over it quicker.
Sure took the engineers long :rolleyes: to come up with that.

AzMandella
02-15-2006, 12:24 PM
Oh, I see how it is. GM develops an entire power train (not just the engine) with the help of another company and that's a bad thing since that company is Japanese. :skull:
Ford/Chrysler drop "off the shelf diesels" in existing trucks and have all sorts of transmission reliablity problems and that's ok... :D :D
'Sup Marvin... drove up to Apache last weekend... should have taken the boat. :D
Well I have never criticized the use of Allison tansmisions.I wish they were available with Fords.I agree that the Ford trany wasn't the greatest in the first few years they teamed them up with the Powerstroke.And I'm sure Chevy has been working with Allison in the development for use in their trucks.But Chevy had nothing to do with the development of the Duramax.Isuzu had been using and selling that engine long before they started selling it to Chevy.So I don't think you can say that Chevy developed an entire driveline unless you consider coming up with the idea to put an Isuzu engine with a Allison trany development.Plus they both use their own rearends.
So how was it?Wouldn't have been able to make it.doing some work to he boat right now.

HCS
02-15-2006, 01:10 PM
The better gas milage gets the higher gas prices will be.

Sleek-Jet
02-15-2006, 01:16 PM
So how was it?Wouldn't have been able to make it.doing some work to he boat right now.
It was nice... the grandparents are down from Colorado, so I took them across the Apache Trail on Saturday. We stopped and had lunch at Apache. Water looked inviting, even if it was cold. Quite a few people out. The new road out of Roosevelt is going to make that a nice trip from now on. Passing lanes rock!!! :D
Do you know if anyone has problems launching at 3 mile island??? I'd rather do that than drag the boat all the way down to Burnt Corral. Looks more than do-able with a 4 wheel drive.

djunkie
02-15-2006, 01:25 PM
ahhhhhh..... poor Djunkie couldn't afFORD the extra few bucks for a quality product :crossx: :argue: :)
I think you know why I hate Fords. I wonder if this new one will have crusie control issues too???? :idea: :D

djunkie
02-15-2006, 01:26 PM
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: Stink'n Pie Hole!!! I use Chevy's to wipe my ars hole with....J/K....I think everyone needs a 2 Chevy because if one breaks you'll have another to get yo ars home.... :yuk: :yuk: :p
LOL!!!!!
By the way I haven't forgot about you guys. One of these days I gotta bring my truck to you still.

djunkie
02-15-2006, 01:27 PM
Bummer...i thought someone was looking for me! :D
I always am. :p :p

BajaMike
02-15-2006, 01:39 PM
Hmmmm (http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html)
Some details....sounds cool.... :idea:
Ford Motor Company and Eaton Corp. recently unveiled a system called hydraulic launch assist (HLA)—a low-technology method of recovering braking energy for use in large trucks, ranging from 8,000 to 11,000 lb. This regenerative braking system promises to improve fuel economy in these vehicles during stop-and-go driving by approximately 25 to 35%. Ford's new F-350 Tonka concept truck features this HLA system, which recaptures energy normally lost during deceleration and turns it into hydraulic pressure in an accumulator, where the energy is stored until needed for acceleration.
The HLA system is composed of a reversible hydraulic pump/motor and two accumulators. When the driver steps on the brake, the pump/motor propels hydraulic fluid out of the low-pressure accumulator and into the high-pressure one, intensifying the pressure of nitrogen gas stored there to 5,000 psi. During acceleration, the retained energy is released back as the nitrogen gas forces the hydraulic fluid back into the low-pressure accumulator, and the pump/motor transfers torque through the clutch to the drive shaft. For quick acceleration, the energy generated by the HLA system combines with engine power.
Eighty percent of the initial kinetic energy is recaptured. "The system stores approximately 380 kJ of energy," says Brad Bohlmann, mechanical engineer and advanced technology business development coordinator at Eaton's Fluid Power Group. "With that much energy, we can accelerate a 10,000-lb. vehicle from a dead stop to between 25 and 30 miles per hour with no assistance from the vehicle's combustion engine."
"Ford thinks that both electric and hydraulic regenerative systems have a future," says John Brevick, a Ford mechanical engineer at work on the HLA system. "But for heavy vehicles like our 10,000-lb. F-350 trucks, hydraulics are better at capturing lost energy than electric systems." Garbage trucks are also good candidates for the HLA system because they often run for less than 100 ft. between stops. According to Bohlmann, the driving cycle must be considered to determine the best system for a vehicle. While power density is a major strength of hydraulics—making these systems comparable to a "sprinter"—an electric hybrid system can be likened to a "marathon runner," he says. "Hydraulics is capable of transferring energy very quickly," says Bohlmann. "The rate of energy transfer in a hybrid electric system of a similar size is much lower."
:rollside:

AzMandella
02-15-2006, 02:18 PM
It was nice... the grandparents are down from Colorado, so I took them across the Apache Trail on Saturday. We stopped and had lunch at Apache. Water looked inviting, even if it was cold. Quite a few people out. The new road out of Roosevelt is going to make that a nice trip from now on. Passing lanes rock!!! :D
Do you know if anyone has problems launching at 3 mile island??? I'd rather do that than drag the boat all the way down to Burnt Corral. Looks more than do-able with a 4 wheel drive.
Yeah that new road is going to save lots of time.Not just two lanes but more like a highway without all the 25 mph hairpin turns and quick dips and hard braking.As far as 3 mile island is probably the best primitive launch site on the lake.Any two wheel can launch there.sometimes with my buddy's I launch there and then have one of them take the truck and trailer to Burnt Coral or Waterdog.You know they have chipsealed the road almost from the marina to where the pavement picked up Canyon Lake.But they didn't widen it any so it's still real narow at Fish Creek Hill.