Grab your Ankles

[MWJSOne]

I find that I have fallen for A urban legend
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp
But her actions find me to take stock in the myth that she would try and punish the American Tax payers for the
failed imigaration bill
Can`t we just put this bitch out of her Missery???
At her best ......
You aren't going to believe this.
Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K's and Mutual Funds! alas it is true. All to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!
Boy, are we in trouble... This woman is frightening. Take special note of the last paragraph. Is she really this whacked out?
Nancy Pelosi condemned the new record highs of the stock market as "just another example of Bush policies helping the rich get richer". "First Bush cut taxes for the rich and the economy has rebounded with new record low unemployment rates, which only means wealthy employers are getting even wealthier at the expense of the underpaid working class".
She went on to say "Despite the billions of dollars being spent in Iraq our economy is still strong and government tax revenues are at all time highs. What this really means is that business is exploiting the war effort and working Americans, just to put money in their own pockets".
When questioned about recent stock market highs she responded "Only the rich benefit from these record highs. Working Americans, welfare recipients, the unemployed and minorities are not sharing in these obscene record highs". "There is no question these windfall profits and income created by the Bush administration need to be taxed at 100% rate and those dollars redistributed to the poor and working class". "Profits from the stock market do not reward the hard work of our working class who, by their hard work, are responsible for generating these corporate profits that create stock market profits for the rich. We in congress will need to address this issue to either tax these profits or to control the stock market to prevent this unearned income to flow to the rich."
When asked about the fact that over 80% of all Americans have investments in mutual funds, retirement funds, 401K's, and the stock market she replied "That may be true, but probably only 5% account for 90% of all these investment dollars. That's just more "trickle down" economics claiming that if a corporation is successful that everyone from the CEO to the floor sweeper benefit from higher wages and job security which is ridiculous". "How much of this 'trickle down' ever get to the unemployed and minorities in our county? None, and that's the tragedy of these stock market highs."
"We democrats are going to address this issue after the election when we take control of the congress. We will return to the 60% to 80% tax rates on the rich and we will be able to take at least 30% of all current lower Federal Income Tax tax payers off the roles and increase government income substantially. We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."
When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied: "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as "Americans".
Send this it on to your brilliant friends. I just did!!
By the way folks this would not effect her own stocks she owns I would like you to call her and ask why her plan dosn`t include her wealth???:idea: :idea: :idea:

[Old Texan]

I am unable to reply to one of the most stupid statements ever made in the history of the USA until I cool down. How anyone in their right mind could ever vote this complete moron into public office is beyond me.
Nancy Pelosi is the type of fool that will destroy our great nation right before our eyes if something isn't done. How in the hell did this misfit get into office?????????????
I guess all the lazy no accounts at the bottom of the food chain need plasma TV's and I-Phones next, bought with working people's money......:mad:
No matter that she was quoted inaccurately, she still wants to rob from the "working" to pay the sloths of our society. Who do these Socialist fools think they are telling hardworking enterprising citizens how they should handle their legally hard earned money???????

[STV_Keith]

Please post a link to where this was posted.

[058]

How anyone in their right mind could ever vote this complete moron into public office is beyond me.
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Than would be the fine people of San Francisco. And the key words here are "Right mind" There is no right mind in the world's largest insane asylum. Most of those wackos are more left than Marx, Lenin, Mao and Attila the Hun.

[eliminatedsprinter]

I think we have had that Pelosi quote before and it is not accurate. I have no doubt the above accuratly depicts her stupidity, but I don't think she has come out and directly stated the above. She simply is not honest enough to come right out and state what her past politcal actions reflect.:idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

One thing IS true about emperor P.
She HAS stated a desire to do the following:
Raise taxes by 400 MILLION $ (the last tax increase of 256 million$ trenched the economy (the Clinton tax increase) 9 months BEFORE Bush took office).
Repeal 4 BILLION $ in tax breaks and subsidies from the Energy Policy Act.
Repeal Royalty Relief to the tune of 20 BILLION $ over the next 25 years.
Remove 8.6 BILLION $ in "loopholes" for oil and energy companies.
Nancy P. HAS stated that the increasing stock market is just such a sign of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer (because the stupid bich has zero idea just how many middle-class wage-earners like me have investements in the stock market). I've heard her speak this myself.
Wannabe-president Clinton HAS expressed a desire to tax heavilly (up to 100%) the windfall profits of "big oil", to pay for social crap-programs (basically give it to the non-working).
So that, even tho the e-mail above, which dates back almost a year now, is false in it's EXACT claims, there are far more than 1 or 2 grains of truth to it.

[Old Texan]

And just where in the hell is the media and congressional watchdogs that should be investigating this bitch's conflict of interest in awarding "business" to her husbands companies profiteering on the war she's so damned against??????????????? I'm plain sick and tired of the double standards in this mess we call a government and tose whose task it is to cover the news.

[058]

And just where in the hell is the media and congressional watchdogs that should be investigating this bitch's conflict of interest in awarding "business" to her husbands companies profiteering on the war she's so damned against??????????????? I'm plain sick and tired of the double standards in this mess we call a government and tose whose task it is to cover the news.
Double standard indeed....Queen Pelosi and hubby own a few hotel/restaurant/resorts and vineyards in the Napa Valley and all are non union. So what you say? Well I find it more than ironic that while she was just a mere congressperson she represented Hotel-Restaurant Service Worker Local 50 in San Francisco and was instrumental in making it one of the more stronger unions in S.F. by strong arming the local businesses. That begs the question why has she and hubby locked out the unions of their numerous business interest outside San Francisco......But there is no hypocrisy here now is there? The Chronicle or the Mercury News won't touch that story but if she had an "R" after her name it would be front page fodder for weeks.:mad:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

And just where in the hell is the media and congressional watchdogs that should be investigating this bitch's conflict of interest in awarding "business" to her husbands companies profiteering on the war she's so damned against??????????????? I'm plain sick and tired of the double standards in this mess we call a government and tose whose task it is to cover the news.
She's in charge of the "ethics committee" now, following emperor Pelosi's edict to "bring ethics back to congress". :rolleyes:

[MWJSOne]

Here is a little story about all the wonderful things she has done I would hope that a few people call INS and let them know about the 50 percent of Undocumented workers in here wine grape fields.
http://sadbastards.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/the-real-nancy-pelosi-multi-millionaire-non-union-resort-baroness/
I also want others to call her Resort and ask the workwers there if they
want to earn a fair wage!:devil: while she gets richer she is the Wicked Witch of the West
http://www.aubergedusoleil.com/

[SmokinLowriderSS]

FU(K all minorities, poor, unemployed, and especially every illegal criminal alien and anybody else that's livin off someone elses sweat and hard work! If they can't feed themselves-> let um die. I'm gettin sick of all these pols thinkin we're nothing more than their personal slaves.
Rio
Come on Rio, don't sugar coat it. Let it out and tell us how you REALLY feel. Holding it in is bad for you. Release your anger and frusttration and you will feel much better. :D

[Old Texan]

"We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as "Americans".
I'll try an be really tactful here so I remain politically correct and do not offend anyone.
FU(K all minorities, poor, unemployed, and especially every illegal criminal alien and anybody else that's livin off someone elses sweat and hard work! If they can't feed themselves-> let um die. I'm gettin sick of all these pols thinkin we're nothing more than their personal slaves.
I advocate revolution and the overthrow of this gov't that isn't what it was meant to be. Let's start over.
Rio
Rio, my wife got mad at me this morning when she was feeling sorry for the little illegal Mexican boy that drowned yesterday at the mouth of the Brazos River roaring out into the Gulf of Mexico. We've had constant rain for the last several weeks and the river is running hard. This area of the beach is very treacherous in good times, much less after 30" of rain and every year a number of these dumb asse illegals drown there because of the current and plus they can't swim.
She got mad when I said the "drowning was a start" and the tragedy was the father and uncles didn't drown trying to save him. :devil:
Yeah I know, it's not funny when someone dies but damn........

[bordsmnj]

"We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as "Americans".
I'll try an be really tactful here so I remain politically correct and do not offend anyone.
FU(K all minorities, poor, unemployed, and especially every illegal criminal alien and anybody else that's livin off someone elses sweat and hard work! If they can't feed themselves-> let um die. I'm gettin sick of all these pols thinkin we're nothing more than their personal slaves.
I advocate revolution and the overthrow of this gov't that isn't what it was meant to be. Let's start over.
Rio
ok we vote you into office after we do thAT. CAN WE TAKE OVER MEXICO OR JUST FORECLOSE ON THEIR ASS? WE NEED TO SEND THOSE COCK SUCKERS THE BILL. ah, i feel better now.

[CA Stu]

"The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man; the coat hanging unused in your closet belongs to the man who needs it; the shoes rotting in your closet belong to the man who has none; the money which you hoard in the bank belongs to the poor. You do wrong to everyone you could help, but fail to help." St. Basil the Great

[HighRoller]

She can get away with this precisely because most of the people who are easily swayed into voting are the ones who have the most to gain. Since 5% of the country pays 50% of the tax revenue they are easy targets because they are outnumbered. In other words, those who contribute the least are the greatest in number. I came up with a plan to rectify this the other day, a plan I think is simple and brilliant. (In other words, it has no chance in hell of becoming law...) I propose that each citizen in America be assigned a "weighted" vote based on how much they pay in taxes. In other words, if you don't pay taxes your vote doesn't count.
America has always been great because of the contributions of its citizens, not because we were a nation of freeloading whiners. And historically the people who have contributed the most have turned out to be very smart and wise people. I'd rather have them making policy than Nacy Pelosi or Julio the wetback or Tyrone the welfare case from the ghetto. Flame on!!!!:jawdrop:

[Old Texan]

"The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man; the coat hanging unused in your closet belongs to the man who needs it; the shoes rotting in your closet belong to the man who has none; the money which you hoard in the bank belongs to the poor. You do wrong to everyone you could help, but fail to help." St. Basil the Great
"Sing for your supper......"
-The Working Man

[eliminatedsprinter]

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
Ayn Rand.

[MWJSOne]

Want to meet some of the fine people that want to build America ???
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/media/goons-gone-wild.wmv
Be Disgusted :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Old Texan]

"The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man; the coat hanging unused in your closet belongs to the man who needs it; the shoes rotting in your closet belong to the man who has none; the money which you hoard in the bank belongs to the poor. You do wrong to everyone you could help, but fail to help." St. Basil the Great
The following article is a fine example of he "American Poor" and how they are used by the "American Useless". Note the perps are drop outs, thugs, and dependon the government for food stamps and other entitlements. Perhaps Basil the Great should be required "inspirational reading" for the Dunbar Village thugs.
Stu, maybe you should visit the projects and offer some "spare stuff" to help the boys out. You will find the evil of the country staring you in the face and they could give a shit about your "charitable donations".
There's a lot of insight contained in this article, especially the relatives of the thugs denying their "angelic offspring" could ever commit these heinous crimes. There is no helping these bottom feeders, except from within and I've yet to see this portion of society.
The point of all this is, a lot of the people in this country are fed up with the entitlement money doled out to support "Our Poor" who are these dregs of society. I have no problems helping "Our Needy", but the government and other "Guilt ridden do gooders" refuse to address the differences in the 2 segments of society.
Fla. Mother and Son Are Attacked
Published: 7/10/07, 2:27 PM EDT
By BRIAN SKOLOFF and JENNIFER KAY
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - Mother and son huddled together, battered and beaten, in the bathroom - sobbing, wondering why no one came to help.
Surely the neighbors had heard their screams. The walls are thin, the screen doors flimsy in this violence-plagued housing project on the edge of downtown.
For three hours, the pair say, they endured sheer terror as the 35-year-old Haitian immigrant was raped and sodomized by up to 10 masked teenagers and her 12-year-old son was beaten in another room.
Then, mother and son were reunited to endure the unspeakable: At gunpoint, the woman was forced to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.
Afterward, they were doused with household cleansers, perhaps in a haphazard attempt to scrub the crime scene, or maybe simply to torture the victims even more. The solutions burned the boy's eyes.
The thugs then fled, taking with them a couple of hundred dollars' worth of cash, jewelry and cell phones.
In the interview with WPTV, the mother described how she and her son sobbed in the bathroom, too shocked to move. Then, in the dark of night, they walked a mile to the hospital because they had no phone to call for help.
Two teenagers - a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old - have been arrested. Eight others are being sought.
Welcome to Dunbar Village, a place residents call hell.
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"So a lady was raped. Big deal," resident Paticiea Matlock said with disgust. "There's too much other crime happening here."
Built in 1940 to house poor blacks in then-segregated West Palm Beach, Dunbar Village's 226 units sit just blocks from million-dollar condos on the Intracoastal Waterway. Billionaires lounge on beachfront property just a few miles away on Palm Beach.
The public housing project's one- and two-story barracks-style buildings are spread across 17 grassy, tree-lined acres surrounded by an 8-foot iron fence. The average rent is about $150 a month.
Almost 60 percent of the households in the area that includes Dunbar Village were below the poverty level in 2000, according to Census figures. Only 19 percent of the area's residents had high school degrees. About 9 percent of the adults were unemployed, nearly triple the state average.
Teenagers with gold-plated teeth wander the streets. Drug dealers hang out on nearby sidewalks. Trash bin lids are open. Flies hover over dirty diapers. Clothes dry on sagging lines.
In the year leading up to the rape, police were called to Dunbar Village 717 times, or almost twice a day.
Since the June 18 attack, police have increased patrols in the area, blocked off one entrance and will soon install surveillance cameras.
"It took this to make that happen?" Matlock, a 32-year-old single mother of three, snarled.
As in other blighted neighborhoods across the country where criminals seem to have free rein, residents here live in fear. Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.
"I try to be in my house no later than 7, and I don't come out," said Citoya Greenwood, 33, who lives in Dunbar with her 4-year-old daughter. "I don't even answer my door anymore." On the Fourth of July, "we didn't know if we was hearing gunshots or fireworks."
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Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, will be charged as adults in the assault and gang rape, prosecutors said. They are jailed without bail.
Lawson's DNA was found in a condom at the crime scene, and he admitted involvement, authorities say. Police say Walker's palm print was discovered inside the home. He denies being there. His attorney says he will plead not guilty. Lawson's public defender did not return telephone messages.
Walker and Lawson did not live at Dunbar but visited often. Lawson stayed with his grandmother there. Walker came to hang out and play basketball. Dunbar has become the place to be for wayward black teens, residents and neighborhood kids say.
Walker and Lawson both grew up mostly fatherless, bouncing between homes. Walker's family sometimes lived in old cars or abandoned houses, said his mother, Ruby Nell Walker.
"We've never really had a real home," said Naporcha Walker, Nathan's 15-year-old sister.
He dropped out of school after spending three years in seventh grade. The family lives on food stamps and recently had to pawn their television and radio, Ruby Walker said.
"I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist," she said.
Ruby Walker said she herself was raped twice, at ages 7 and 12. She said that just days before the Dunbar attack, someone tried to rape her again, and "my son came to me crying and said he wouldn't ever do that to anyone."
She has had her own problems with the law - at least nine arrests on charges such as disorderly conduct, aggravated assault and battery, according to state records.
Avion Lawson was a headstrong kid, never listening to his mother, said his cousin, Cassandra Ellis.
"I knew he was bad, but I never pictured him to be that type of bad," Ellis said. She said one traumatic experience may have scarred him - watching his older sister fatally stab a boyfriend.
"It was an accident. She killed her boyfriend. They was fighting, there was a knife," Ellis said. "He was there when it happened."
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City officials are quick to note that neither Lawson nor Walker lived at Dunbar, and say they are doing their best to make the place safe.
As quickly as overhead lights can be replaced, they are shot out, so officials are now considering bulletproof lighting.
"Isn't that quite a commentary on what the situation is there?" said City Commissioner Molly Douglas, whose district includes part of Dunbar. "Dunbar Village is a hell hole. They shouldn't have to live in fear."
More officers are hitting the streets, but "I just bow my head sometimes and think we just couldn't possibly have enough officers ever to take care of all of this," Douglas said.
Laurel Robinson, head of the city's housing authority, said that up until about four years ago, the federal government provided the city with $160,000 a year for security in public housing projects, but Congress did away with the money.
"Every family housing project in the country has suffered because of it," she said.
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The rape victim and her son have not returned to Building 1843, Unit 2, since the attack.
The woman fled Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with her son seven years ago in search of a better life. With no money, they landed in Dunbar. The two almost instantly became targets for crime, standing out as Haitians among the mostly American-born blacks in the housing project. Her car and the boy's bicycle were stolen. Their house was ransacked.
On the night of the attack, she was lured outside by a teenager who knocked on the door and said her car had a flat. Nine more teens, their faces shrouded with T-shirts, barged in, she told authorities. They brandished guns and demanded money, then went beyond the imaginable.
"I was so scared," the woman told WPTV. "Some of them had sex with me twice, some of them had sex with me three times. They're beating me up. They make me do those things over and over. The man with the big gun, he put the gun inside of me."
She said that when she was forced to perform oral sex on her own son, she told the boy: "I know you love me, and I love you, too."
Investigators say it not clear exactly why the thugs picked her house.
The boy's sight has returned. Both mother and son are seeking counseling.
"I have to try and talk to him every day. He's so angry," the woman said. "He said we never should have moved to Dunbar Village."

[CA Stu]

The following article is a fine example of he "American Poor" and how they are used by the "American Useless". Note the perps are drop outs, thugs, and dependon the government for food stamps and other entitlements. Perhaps Basil the Great should be required "inspirational reading" for the Dunbar Village thugs.
Stu, maybe you should visit the projects and offer some "spare stuff" to help the boys out. You will find the evil of the country staring you in the face and they could give a shit about your "charitable donations".
There's a lot of insight contained in this article, especially the relatives of the thugs denying their "angelic offspring" could ever commit these heinous crimes. There is no helping these bottom feeders, except from within and I've yet to see this portion of society.
The point of all this is, a lot of the people in this country are fed up with the entitlement money doled out to support "Our Poor" who are these dregs of society. I have no problems helping "Our Needy", but the government and other "Guilt ridden do gooders" refuse to address the differences in the 2 segments of society.
So because I have a kind heart, I endorse rape and torture?
GMAFB
Your argument is illogical and weak. I posted about the subject in the first post in this thread, and now I want to support rapists? :rolleyes: You gotta be shitting me.
Life sucks and there is no limit to the depths of human depravity, for sure, but do I want to deprive the needy of my charity because of it? Hell no!
I'm sure that a little kindness goes a hell of a long way in this world.
All the criminals in your pasted story get from me is a life sentence.
I totally agree about the entitlement mentality, too. Whenever I get jammed up by a kid selling candy outside a store, if it's for a sports team or a band trip or some such, I buy really big.
If it's "to keep kids off drugs", I don't give a nickel. Why? I reckon that is tantamount to entitlement mentality. If you are so weak minded you need my cash to stay off drugs, you are not worthy of my charity. I won't be held hostage by those twerps.
If you are involved in your community and want my help to excel, here's as much cash as I can spare you.
I believe in supporting the worthy, and shunning the leeches.
Until you have proven to be a leech, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Thanks
CA Stu
PS Please try to read the first post in a thread, then read my response, and at least have some discernible link between my post and the drivel you post directed at me next time, eh?

[Old Texan]

So because I have a kind heart, I endorse rape and torture?
GMAFB
Your argument is illogical and weak. I posted about the subject in the first post in this thread, and now I want to support rapists? :rolleyes: You gotta be shitting me.
Life sucks and there is no limit to the depths of human depravity, for sure, but do I want to deprive the needy of my charity because of it? Hell no!
I'm sure that a little kindness goes a hell of a long way in this world.
All the criminals in your pasted story get from me is a life sentence.
I totally agree about the entitlement mentality, too. Whenever I get jammed up by a kid selling candy outside a store, if it's for a sports team or a band trip or some such, I buy really big.
If it's "to keep kids off drugs", I don't give a nickel. Why? I reckon that is tantamount to entitlement mentality. If you are so weak minded you need my cash to stay off drugs, you are not worthy of my charity. I won't be held hostage by those twerps.
If you are involved in your community and want my help to excel, here's as much cash as I can spare you.
I believe in supporting the worthy, and shunning the leeches.
Until you have proven to be a leech, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Thanks
CA Stu
PS Please try to read the first post in a thread, then read my response, and at least have some discernible link between my post and the drivel you post directed at me next time, eh?
All I see in the first post is a Snopes disputed article stating Nancy Pelosi wants to "enrich" the lives of the country's "poor" and it's minorities at the expense of those who work and earn. I see no mention of responsible charities?????? Only take from the rich, give to the "poor".
I interpret your Sir Basil quote to mean we are "obligated" to give to anyone below our station in need anything we possess that is considered "extra".
Both Pelosi and Basil are making statements encouraging a socilistic state. Unacceptable in my opinion.
My excerpt is an example of how the entitlement system has completely failed the "minority" and the "poor" Pelosi is supposedly trying to help.
Unlessed I missed the part about bakesales, I don't see your argument?????

[CA Stu]

All I see in the first post is a Snopes disputed article stating Nancy Pelosi wants to "enrich" the lives of the country's "poor" and it's minorities at the expense of those who work and earn. I see no mention of responsible charities?????? Only take from the rich, give to the "poor".
I interpret your Sir Basil quote to mean we are "obligated" to give to anyone below our station in need anything we possess that is considered "extra".
Both Pelosi and Basil are making statements encouraging a socilistic state. Unacceptable in my opinion.
My excerpt is an example of how the entitlement system has completely failed the "minority" and the "poor" Pelosi is supposedly trying to help.
Unlessed I missed the part about bakesales, I don't see your argument?????
So you think that starving people will make them less likely to commit crime?
You can't honestly believe that all social aid programs are bad, can you? Are you a plutocrat? Because if you aren't independently wealthy, you have been helped by some form of social legislation whether you know it or not.
A tiered tax system is social engineering, no?
I'm no socialist, like I have posted before, I'm a member of the RNC.
You excerpt is an example of the horrific things some animals are capable of, and to link it to social programs is such a ridiculous speculation that I don't quite know how to address it properly.
That would be like saying that the Colorado High School system is responsible for Columbine, I reckon.
Thanks
CA Stu

[eliminatedsprinter]

All this head butting looks to me like a case of what happens when people exaggerate certain aspects of others positions to make a point.:D :idea:

[Old Texan]

So you think that starving people will make them less likely to commit crime?
You can't honestly believe that all social aid programs are bad, can you? Are you a plutocrat? Because if you aren't independently wealthy, you have been helped by some form of social legislation whether you know it or not.
A tiered tax system is social engineering, no?
I'm no socialist, like I have posted before, I'm a member of the RNC.
You excerpt is an example of the horrific things some animals are capable of, and to link it to social programs is such a ridiculous speculation that I don't quite know how to address it properly.
That would be like saying that the Colorado High School system is responsible for Columbine, I reckon.
Thanks
CA Stu
Seriously Stu, really read the excerpted article and think about what life in the projects is really like, not some far away guess that you get from the news. I spent a good deal of time back in the 70's selling Life and Health Insurance in Fort Meyers FL in the projects. There is a lot to the culture of that segment of society that the general public really doesn't understand, or care to understand for that matter. I do because I've seen it first hand and saw some of the wonderful folks that have become literally trapped there. Folks that need help to get out but for bureaucratic BS can't quite make it.
Don't be so quick to judge other's statements and fire back a defense without trying to obtain the real message. I ain't Spike Lee, but I'm trying to point out some of the fallacies of our social system and how the Pelosi types are missing the real situations.

[eliminatedsprinter]

I'm trying to point out some of the fallacies of our social system and how the Pelosi types are missing the real situations.
I'd take it further and say most of the Pelosi types fully understand the failures of many of these programs. However, they use those programs to buy votes with public largess and keep those votes through dependency...:idea:
In short, for most Democratic Party leaders, those programs are political tools to foster dependency to their party, rather than function as solutions to problems.

[CA Stu]

I ain't Spike Lee, but I'm trying to point out some of the fallacies of our social system and how the Pelosi types are missing the real situations.
Anybody can Monday morning quarterback, OT, you got a better solution or idea? Post it.
It's very Democrat of you to point out every single problem yet offer no solutions. :D
Thanks
CA Stu

[Moneypitt]

OK, To get a decent job you may be required to take a drug test prior to employment, and a random test at anytime in the future if your number comes up....We all work for the paycheck, (well most of us). Now, if someone is down on their luck, needs a little help, needs food stamps to fed their family etc etc.......OK by me, BUT don't you think THEY should be required to take random drug tests to qualify for our tax dollars??? Fail a test, get a warning, fail a second, see ya.......This would apply to anyone living in the house/apartment/project as deemed necessary by a case worker....No druggie teens living with mom on welfare.......There is already a law that allows eviction for drug offenses commited by residents of public housing, but the testing deal could maybe tell us why the adults don't have/want jobs......It seems only fair, if I have to test to make the money, to pay the taxes, to pay them, they need to be squeeky clean as well, and prove it............MP

[Old Texan]

Anybody can Monday morning quarterback, OT, you got a better solution or idea? Post it.
It's very Democrat of you to point out every single problem yet offer no solutions. :D
Thanks
CA Stu
People in the projects taking charge of their lives would be a start. MoneyPitt just posted a very good requirement.
It's like the immigration thing Stu, the laws are on the books, the people have been told the difference between right and wrong, it just trying to get the slackers of society to get off their collective asses and get some personal pride to do the right thing.
You can view it anyway you like but these problems have grown through the years and won't stop until the fight starts from within. Political Correctness advocates, the ACLU, the NAACP, and LULAC among others need to cut their poilitcal BS and join that fight.
I have the solution in my life Stu, I'm not living in those conditions nor in a neighborhood that will accept those conditions. I'm just tired of sending money to a government every year filled with politicians whose motives and conscious guilt keeps them funding dead beat programs.
Solving the entitlement mentality problem requires more effort than that "feel good euphoria" one gets from buying 4 boxes of Girl Scout Cookies, don't ya think....:idea:

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I would be very much for that MP. Good idea. I have only continued to succeed in my life because I keep passing UA's, all the time, any time. I've passed over a dozen so far in the last 20 years, more in my future, and I can guarantee my passing them.