**** justice, **** the american people

[Blown 472]

I cant believe you ****ers put this piece of shit in office for four more years.
Bush spares Libby from jail term
Libby is one of the most senior White House officials ever convicted
US President George W Bush has intervened to prevent Lewis Libby, a convicted former vice-presidential aide, from serving a prison term.
President Bush described as "excessive" the 30-month sentence Libby was facing for obstructing an inquiry into the leaking of a CIA agent's name.
Though no longer required to go to jail, Libby is still due to serve a period of probation and pay a fine.
A leading Democratic politician said Mr Bush's decision was "disgraceful".
History will judge the president "harshly" for using his power to benefit his own Vice President's chief of staff, Harry Reid, the leading Democrat in the US Senate, said.
Lewis Libby, also known by his nickname, "Scooter" Libby, was found guilty in March of perjury and obstructing justice in a case connected to Washington's decision to invade Iraq.
His trial saw the White House accused of having illegally made public the identity of a serving CIA agent, Valerie Plame, in an apparent effort to embarrass her husband.
WHAT IS CIA LEAK CASE ABOUT?
Libby was found guilty of lying to the FBI and a grand jury over revelations about CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity
Critics said the White House leaked Ms Plame's identity to undermine her husband, ex-ambassador Joseph Wilson
He had publicly cast doubt on the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq
The alleged cover-up, rather than the leak itself, was the subject of the Libby trial
Q&A: CIA leak case
Begging a president's pardon
Ms Plame's husband, a former US diplomat, had publicly criticised the basis for the invasion of Iraq.
Libby was found to have lied to investigators about conversations where he mentioned Ms Plame but he was not convicted of having directly leaked her name.
He was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison, two years of probation and a fine of $250,000 (£125,000).
Democratic leader Harry Reid said the conviction was "the one faint glimmer of accountability for White House efforts to manipulate intelligence and silence critics of the Iraq war".
Responding to President Bush's decision to commute Libby's sentence, he said: "Now, even that small bit of justice has been undone."
'Forever damaged'
Hours before President Bush's announcement, an appeals court had told Libby he could no longer delay going to jail.
The judge ruled that Libby could not remain free on bail while his lawyer appealed against the sentence.
President Bush said he had until now refrained from intervening in the case, waiting instead for the appeals process to take its course.
"But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision," he said.
"I respect the jury's verdict," President Bush said. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr Libby is excessive," Mr Bush said.
However, he said, Libby's remaining punishments - the probation period and fine - were "harsh" and would leave his reputation "forever damaged".
The BBC's James Westhead in Washington said the president's decision was a compromise between pardoning Libby outright and allowing his full sentence to stand.

[058]

Disgraceful? Perhaps but not near as bad as Bill-"Pardons-R-Us"-Clinton who sold pardons to whoever had the big money to buy-in.....seems like there was about 4-500 pardons sold by the Clintons in the closing hours of his failed adminstration....guess he just needed a little extra spending money after he and the little woman stole the Whitehouse furniture, silver and China. Politics is such an ugly game....:D

[Blown 472]

Disgraceful? Perhaps but not near as bad as Bill-"Pardons-R-Us"-Clinton who sold pardons to whoever had the big money to buy-in.....seems like there was about 4-500 pardons sold by the Clintons in the closing hours of his failed adminstration....guess he just needed a little extra spending money after he and the little woman stole the Whitehouse furniture, silver and China. Politics is such an ugly game....:D
They should have burned that ****er at the stake too, and used his wife for fire wood.

[Steve 1]

Bent Bill right here!
Washington, D.C. 20530
January 20, 2001
Pardon Grants January 2001
Name Home Town Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.
CLINTON, Roger
COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options 2. Illegal sale of silver options
COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute 2. Conspiracy to import cocaine
HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968 2. Failure to appear 3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport
MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc Switzerland
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence 2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions 3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife

[MWJSOne]

The Bigger issue
Valery Plame CIA rat f K and her husband the guy she sent to find out about
Yellow cake.Both sides are guilty as hell most of all the CIA is infected with the Clinton Virus and not big Bush supporters they have sold the American tax payer a load of crap.

[Steve 1]

My Question is why the Border Patrol Agents are still in Prison :mad: :mad: For just doing their jobs?

[Steve 1]

The Bigger issue
Valery Plame CIA rat f K and her husband the guy she sent to find out about
Yellow cake.Both sides are guilty as hell most of all the CIA is infected with the Clinton Virus and not big Bush supporters they have sold the American tax payer a load of crap.
Val 007 lied under Oath but Rats have MUCH different standards!

[Kachina26]

My Question is why the Border Patrol Agents are still in Prison :mad: :mad: For just doing their jobs?
That's the first thing that came to my mind. We were told that this kind of thing can't happen instantly and that it must go through the "process". I remember hearing that it would take at least a year to free those two if it happened at all. Now this???

[Old Texan]

My Question is why the Border Patrol Agents are still in Prison :mad: :mad: For just doing their jobs?
I listened to an interview a couple weeks ago with the DA on the case. There is more to that story then the media has presented. From the little I heard and I haven't taken time to research it, at least one of the agents wasn't shall we say real clean.
I'm reserving judgement as to my original thoughts it was a bad trial and unwarranted arrest.
As for Libby, he wasn't guilty of anything more than stupidity.

[Moneypitt]

Blown, the only thing Libby was guilty of was refusing to cut bait for the dems fishing expedition. His entire "case" was based on 100% crapola. Bush's action should be hailed as a step to reinstate the constitution into the judicial system.......MP

[3 daytona`s]

Blown, the only thing Libby was guilty of was refusing to cut bait for the dems fishing expedition. His entire "case" was based on 100% crapola. Bush's action should be hailed as a step to reinstate the constitution into the judicial system.......MP
Libby was a loyal cabinet member and a friend of the President as stated in an earlier post let`s compare Clintons Pardons ond Bush`s and this was not a Pardon he will still have a record,must pay the $250,000.00 and still has a couple of hearings/trials left.

[3 daytona`s]

Now there was a loyal friend,she sits in prison Clinton really helped her. I have seen several interviews with her remarkable woman she would not break.Should have ratted on that ass-hole he cares about him self and himself only. The trail of dead people and ruined lives behind the Clinton`s is really spooky.

[YeLLowBoaT]

As for Libby, he wasn't guilty of anything more than stupidity.
I don't know the whole story of what happend, but he was convicted by a jury of his peers... that kind of says he was guilty of something.
I think its wrong for presidents to give any type of pardon... same with goveners with granting stays of exacution. They had thier chances with a jury and appeals.

[Rexone]

I cant believe you ****ers put this piece of shit in office for four more years.
Bush is a retard. But Kerry was/is a bigger retard. Elect the less retarded.
Therein lies the problem. There were no good choices that stood a chance in hell of winning with the system the way it is coupled with voter apathy.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Val 007 lied under Oath but Rats have MUCH different standards!
Yes they most certainly do.
What would Cold Cash Johnson be doing right now if he was a Republican? 20?Not to mention Harry "I won't do anything right now, but after we know each other for a while we can do some business." Reid.
He blown, find me another case, of anyone, ANYONE, convicted of "obstruction of justice" where there was no justice obstructed, because no crime was committed.

[centerhill condor]

Sometimes a pardon is the only chance justice has.
As for "Scooter" Libby, this was all a bunch of CNN stuff anyway designed to distract you from the real crimes and misdemeanors committed daily.

[Towndrunk]

The Bigger issue
Valery Plame CIA rat f K and her husband the guy she sent to find out about
Yellow cake.Both sides are guilty as hell most of all the CIA is infected with the Clinton Virus and not big Bush supporters they have sold the American tax payer a load of crap.
And bush hasen't?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

And bush hasen't?
Different load. His is over legitimizing up to 40 million illegal entrants (the 12 million number is old, and no longer worth a damn, especially since the now dead amnesty bill included FAMILY/RELATIVES)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

For those who wants to raise hell about Pres Bush commuting the jail sentence of his Vice President's aide from "prison" to "not-prison", let's consider a near identical scenario, shall we?
Lets say ........
A full CABINET SECRETARY (not just an aide), convicted in federal court of Conspiracy, Perjury, and Obstruction of Justice, the identical charges Scooter Libby stands convicted of.
Lets say, the president he worked for issued a FULL PARDON to said Housing Secretary. All convictions totally expunged, nonexistent, gone totally bye-bye.
Same? Different? Who still cries foul?
The name Henry Cisneros may ring a bell.
Secretary of Housing & Urban Development, Henry Cisneros.
Bush screwed the "american people" and the "justice system".
Yea, right.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

United States National Security Advisor who was FIRST:
Fined $23,000 for conflict of interest charges
2 years later he:
waited over 14 months to tell the president that the Communist Chinese had managed to get their hands on designs for several US Nuclear Warheads. He didn't think it was important enough to tell him sooner.
Then, 4 years later he:
Removed all 5 classified copies of a single report commissioned from Richard Clarke, covering internal assessments of the Clinton administration's handling of the unsuccessful 2000 millennium attack plots.
When initially questioned by reporters, Berger claimed that the removal of the top-secret documents in his attache-case and handwritten notes in his jacket and pants pockets was accidental.
He later, in a guilty plea, admitted to deliberately removing the copies and cutting three up with scissors. Two of the copies were recovered by DOJ investigators and returned to the archives.
The first acts were PARDONED by a president.
Let's compare sentences for the later to Libby, shall we?
Scooter Libby ############# Sandy Berger
Perjury/obstruction ######## Destruction of classified
$300,000 fine ############# $50,000 fine
30 months prison ########### 24 months probation
###################### 100 hours comunity service

[Blown 472]

Sometimes a pardon is the only chance justice has.
As for "Scooter" Libby, this was all a bunch of CNN stuff anyway designed to distract you from the real crimes and misdemeanors committed daily.
You got that right.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Libby was convicted of a crime, sentenced and his appeal was refused. Stating that he shouldn't go to jail, is in some way a good thing, displays ignorance beyond belief.
Talk about two sets of rules :( Martha Stewart was convicted of basically the same thing and did time. F'n Paris Twilton went to jail.
For those who profess to be so f'n smart, (and you know who I'm referring to) blind dedication to the GOP makes you appear dumber than owl sh*t.
Being away from all of this lunacy for a few weeks gave me a different outlook on what I now see as a complete waste of time.
ES, MP Tex, Rex and a few others are folks who at least think with their brains instead of their computers. Very refreshing to say the least.
Later

[058]

Libby was convicted of a crime, sentenced and his appeal was refused. Stating that he shouldn't go to jail, is in some way a good thing, displays ignorance beyond belief.
Talk about two sets of rules :( Martha Stewart was convicted of basically the same thing and did time. F'n Paris Twilton went to jail.
For those who profess to be so f'n smart, (and you know who I'm referring to) blind dedication to the GOP makes you appear dumber than owl sh*t.
Being away from all of this lunacy for a few weeks gave me a different outlook on what I now see as a complete waste of time.
ES, MP Tex, Rex and a few others are folks who at least think with their brains instead of their computers. Very refreshing to say the least.
Later
Two sets of rules? Indeed! Then I suppose you feel the same about Clinton who SOLD hundreds of pardons to who ever had the bucks to "donate" to his pet causes such as the Clinton Library and the DNC? All the people listed above were tried, convicted, sentenced and pardoned but Libby was not pardoned, just had his conviction commuted but you lefty Clinton nut swingers get your panties all in a wad over Scooter and his lack of jail time. Does Sandy Berger mean anything you or is that different because he had a "D" after his name.;)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Two sets of rules? Indeed! Then I suppose you feel the same about Clinton who SOLD hundreds of pardons to who ever had the bucks to "donate" to his pet causes such as the Clinton Library and the DNC? All the people listed above were tried, convicted, sentenced and pardoned but Libby was not pardoned, just had his conviction commuted but you lefty Clinton nut swingers get your panties all in a wad over Scooter and his lack of jail time. Does Sandy Berger mean anything you or is that different because he had a "D" after his name.;)
What does a "D" or any other letter have to do with justice? "you lefty Clinton nut swingers" Brilliant comment :rolleyes:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Two sets of rules? Indeed! Then I suppose you feel the same about Clinton who SOLD hundreds of pardons to who ever had the bucks to "donate" to his pet causes such as the Clinton Library and the DNC? All the people listed above were tried, convicted, sentenced and pardoned but Libby was not pardoned, just had his conviction commuted but you lefty Clinton nut swingers get your panties all in a wad over Scooter and his lack of jail time. Does Sandy Berger mean anything you or is that different because he had a "D" after his name.;)
FYI 058, Mr. Bush has issued few pardons himself.
List of people pardoned by George W. Bush
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The following is a partial list of people pardoned by George W. Bush. As of June 29, 2007,[1] President George W. Bush had issued 113 presidential pardons to people who have served their entire sentence, and has commuted in addition the sentences of four people.[2
Charles James Allen (1979 conspiracy to defraud the United States. A former federal employee, Allen was convicted for approving payments to James Hilles Associates Inc., a Virginia firm, for office supplies that were never delivered. In return, Allen received car parts, a radio, a freezer and other gifts from the firm. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Alan Dale Austin (1987 misapplication of mortgage funds)
William Sidney Baldwin Sr. (1981 conspiracy to possess marijuana. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Timothy Evans Barfield (1989 aiding and abetting false statements on a Small Business Administration loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bruce Louis Bartos (1987 transportation of a machine gun in foreign commerce)
David Thomas Billmyer (1978 military conviction for making a false claim)
Clyde Philip Boudreaux (1975 military conviction for borrowing money from enlisted men, accepting a noninterest-bearing loan from a government contractor and signing and swearing to a false affidavit. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Marie Georgette Ginette Briere (1982 possession of cocaine with intent to distribute)
Carl E. Cantrell (1967 moonshining)
Charles Winston Carter (1964 conspiracy to steal government property)
Meredith Elizabeth Casares (1989 embezzlement of US Postal Service funds)
Randall Leece Deal Clayton (1960 and 1964 liquor laws)
Charles Russell Cooper (1959 bootlegging)
Dale C. Critz, Jr. (1989 making a false statement)
William Charles Davis (1983 income tax evasion)
William Henry Eagle (1972 moonshining)
Mark Alan Eberwine (1985 conspiracy to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, and obstructing the assessment of taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and making false declarations to the grand jury. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Robert Carter Eversole (1984 theft)
Gerald Douglas Ficke (1992 money laundering)
Harper James Finucan (1980 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Anthony Americo Franchi (1983 tax evasion)
Colin Earl Francis (1993 accepting a kickback of about $9,000 for helping a vendor for United Technologies Corp.'s Sikorsky Aircraft division, where Francis worked at the time, land a contract. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Kenneth Clifford Foner (1991 bank fraud)
Victoria Diane Frost (1994 conspiracy to possess)
William Grover Frye (1968 AWOL and 1973 sale of stolen car)
Joseph Daniel Gavin (1979 military insubordination, drunkenness, threats, and other offenses)
George Glenn (1956 accepting $50 bribe while in military)
Samuel Wattie Guerry (1984 food stamp fraud)
Charles E. Hamilton (1989 mail fraud)
Stanley Bernard Hamilton 1990 (money order fraud)
Brianna Lea Haney (1991 failure to report monetary instruments)
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of cocaine. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
David Custer Heaston (1988 false statement)
Melodie Jean Hebert (1984 defrauding U.S. with false claims)
Patricia Ann Hultman (1985 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine and other controlled substances. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bobby Frank Kay Sr. (1959 moonshining)
James Ernest Kinard, Jr. (1984 fraudulent firearms dealer records)
Richard Ardell Krueger (1979 mail fraud and 1980 and false statement on a loan application)
Devin Timothy Kruse (1979 AWOL from Coast Guard)
Margaret Ann Leggett (1981 false claims)
Raul Marin (1982 failure to appear in court)
Melvin L. McKee (1982 conspiracy to make false statements on a loan application)
Charles McKinley, (1950 moonshining)
Michael Mark McLaughlin (1983 mail fraud and conspiracy)
Michael Robert Moelter (1988 illegal gambling business)
Billie Curtis Moore (1977 income tax evasion)
Richard Arthur Morse[citation needed] (1963 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Kenneth Lynn Norris (1993 unlawful disposal of hazardous waste)
Joseph Mathew Novak (1994 possession and transfer of an illegal weapon)
Eric William Olson (1984 military conviction for conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute, possession with intent to distribute, possession, and use of hashish. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Donald Lee Pendergrass (1964 armed bank robbery)
Fred Dale Pitzer (1976 transportation of falsely made securities)
Charles Blurford Power (1948 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Gerard Murphy Rayne (1972 car theft)
James Edward Reed (1975 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Thomas R. Reece (1969 violating the Internal Revenue Code pertaining to alcohol. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Cecil John Rhodes (1981 false statement on a loan application)
John Louis Ribando (1976 and 1978 marijuana dealing)
Larry Gene Ross (1989 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Ernest Rudnet (1992 conspiracy to file false tax returns)
Gary L. Saltzburg (1995 theft of government property)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
Russell Don Sell (1995 aiding and abetting a false statement on a loan application)
James Leon Adams Simpsonville (1965 selling firearms to out of state residents and falsifying firearms records)
Scott LaVerne Sparks (1989 theft of government property)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
David Lloyd St. Croix (1989 disposal of stolen explosives)
Jearld David Swanner (1991 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
James Walter Taylor (1991 bank fraud. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Johnson Heyward Tisdale (1994 food stamp fraud)
Edward Rodriguez Trevino, Jr. (1997 theft, convicted in military court)
Janet Theone Upton (1975 mail fraud. pardoned December 21, 2006)
Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Joseph William Warner (1995 arson on an Indian reservation)
Jimmy Lee Williams (1995 false statements on a loan application)
113 with a year and a half left to go. Just another POS politician.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Hmmmmmm, it seems that some on the left don't like some of President Bush's pardons and some on the right don't like President Clinton's pardons. Does this mean you have a bi-partisan base for a movement to eliminate or restrict the President's power to issue pardons or commute sentences.:idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Hmmmmmm, it seems that some on the left don't like some of President Bush's pardons and some on the right don't like President Clinton's pardons. Does this mean you have a bi-partisan base for a movement to eliminate or restrict the President's power to issue pardons or commute sentences.:idea:
ES,
No. However, I would be interested in being a part of such a movement. It seems that anyone who is a friend of the Prez, can get away with a crime of just about anything. Cocaine possession, auto theft, tax evasion, moonshining, unlawful disposal of hazardous waste, AWOL, just to name a few. Give me a f'n break.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Hmmmmmm, it seems that some on the left don't like some of President Bush's pardons and some on the right don't like President Clinton's pardons. Does this mean you have a bi-partisan base for a movement to eliminate or restrict the President's power to issue pardons or commute sentences.:idea:
That would be practical and logical... so it will never happen.

[058]

FYI 058, Mr. Bush has issued few pardons himself.
List of people pardoned by George W. Bush
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The following is a partial list of people pardoned by George W. Bush. As of June 29, 2007,[1] President George W. Bush had issued 113 presidential pardons to people who have served their entire sentence, and has commuted in addition the sentences of four people.[2
Charles James Allen (1979 conspiracy to defraud the United States. A former federal employee, Allen was convicted for approving payments to James Hilles Associates Inc., a Virginia firm, for office supplies that were never delivered. In return, Allen received car parts, a radio, a freezer and other gifts from the firm. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Alan Dale Austin (1987 misapplication of mortgage funds)
William Sidney Baldwin Sr. (1981 conspiracy to possess marijuana. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Timothy Evans Barfield (1989 aiding and abetting false statements on a Small Business Administration loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bruce Louis Bartos (1987 transportation of a machine gun in foreign commerce)
David Thomas Billmyer (1978 military conviction for making a false claim)
Clyde Philip Boudreaux (1975 military conviction for borrowing money from enlisted men, accepting a noninterest-bearing loan from a government contractor and signing and swearing to a false affidavit. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Marie Georgette Ginette Briere (1982 possession of cocaine with intent to distribute)
Carl E. Cantrell (1967 moonshining)
Charles Winston Carter (1964 conspiracy to steal government property)
Meredith Elizabeth Casares (1989 embezzlement of US Postal Service funds)
Randall Leece Deal Clayton (1960 and 1964 liquor laws)
Charles Russell Cooper (1959 bootlegging)
Dale C. Critz, Jr. (1989 making a false statement)
William Charles Davis (1983 income tax evasion)
William Henry Eagle (1972 moonshining)
Mark Alan Eberwine (1985 conspiracy to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, and obstructing the assessment of taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and making false declarations to the grand jury. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Robert Carter Eversole (1984 theft)
Gerald Douglas Ficke (1992 money laundering)
Harper James Finucan (1980 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Anthony Americo Franchi (1983 tax evasion)
Colin Earl Francis (1993 accepting a kickback of about $9,000 for helping a vendor for United Technologies Corp.'s Sikorsky Aircraft division, where Francis worked at the time, land a contract. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Kenneth Clifford Foner (1991 bank fraud)
Victoria Diane Frost (1994 conspiracy to possess)
William Grover Frye (1968 AWOL and 1973 sale of stolen car)
Joseph Daniel Gavin (1979 military insubordination, drunkenness, threats, and other offenses)
George Glenn (1956 accepting $50 bribe while in military)
Samuel Wattie Guerry (1984 food stamp fraud)
Charles E. Hamilton (1989 mail fraud)
Stanley Bernard Hamilton 1990 (money order fraud)
Brianna Lea Haney (1991 failure to report monetary instruments)
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of cocaine. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
David Custer Heaston (1988 false statement)
Melodie Jean Hebert (1984 defrauding U.S. with false claims)
Patricia Ann Hultman (1985 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine and other controlled substances. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bobby Frank Kay Sr. (1959 moonshining)
James Ernest Kinard, Jr. (1984 fraudulent firearms dealer records)
Richard Ardell Krueger (1979 mail fraud and 1980 and false statement on a loan application)
Devin Timothy Kruse (1979 AWOL from Coast Guard)
Margaret Ann Leggett (1981 false claims)
Raul Marin (1982 failure to appear in court)
Melvin L. McKee (1982 conspiracy to make false statements on a loan application)
Charles McKinley, (1950 moonshining)
Michael Mark McLaughlin (1983 mail fraud and conspiracy)
Michael Robert Moelter (1988 illegal gambling business)
Billie Curtis Moore (1977 income tax evasion)
Richard Arthur Morse[citation needed] (1963 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Kenneth Lynn Norris (1993 unlawful disposal of hazardous waste)
Joseph Mathew Novak (1994 possession and transfer of an illegal weapon)
Eric William Olson (1984 military conviction for conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute, possession with intent to distribute, possession, and use of hashish. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Donald Lee Pendergrass (1964 armed bank robbery)
Fred Dale Pitzer (1976 transportation of falsely made securities)
Charles Blurford Power (1948 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Gerard Murphy Rayne (1972 car theft)
James Edward Reed (1975 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Thomas R. Reece (1969 violating the Internal Revenue Code pertaining to alcohol. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Cecil John Rhodes (1981 false statement on a loan application)
John Louis Ribando (1976 and 1978 marijuana dealing)
Larry Gene Ross (1989 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Ernest Rudnet (1992 conspiracy to file false tax returns)
Gary L. Saltzburg (1995 theft of government property)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
Russell Don Sell (1995 aiding and abetting a false statement on a loan application)
James Leon Adams Simpsonville (1965 selling firearms to out of state residents and falsifying firearms records)
Scott LaVerne Sparks (1989 theft of government property)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
David Lloyd St. Croix (1989 disposal of stolen explosives)
Jearld David Swanner (1991 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
James Walter Taylor (1991 bank fraud. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Johnson Heyward Tisdale (1994 food stamp fraud)
Edward Rodriguez Trevino, Jr. (1997 theft, convicted in military court)
Janet Theone Upton (1975 mail fraud. pardoned December 21, 2006)
Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Joseph William Warner (1995 arson on an Indian reservation)
Jimmy Lee Williams (1995 false statements on a loan application)
113 with a year and a half left to go. Just another POS politician.Just wondering how much money Bush made by selling these pardons.:eek: :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Just wondering how much money Bush made by selling these pardons.:eek: :D
Probabally much more than he should have. My guess is that his pardons for cocaine convictions were done on the barter system:D
Executive pardons are bullsh*t given by any party. Duh!!

[Old Texan]

Much Ado about nothing......
When a President pardons a Charles Manson or other heinous degenerate we'll have something to worry about. The exhaustive lists of George and Bill's pardons are mostly politcal nonsense. I so believe Bill gets the award for most benefits to his personal causes though, but that's just my opinion.
Libby once again was convicted more of stupidity than anything serious. The Plame case never should have received the attention it did and wouldn't if it hadn't been of such a poiltical nature trying to stick so some shit on the White House wall.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

As usual, ULTRAS ignores the most telling sentence in the list apparently he didn't read very closely.
As soon as he stopped BOLDING sentence 2, is the line "to people who have served their entire sentence".
FYI 058, Mr. Bush has issued few pardons himself.
[I]List of people pardoned by George W. Bush
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The following is a partial list of people pardoned by George W. Bush. As of June 29, 2007,[1] President George W. Bush had issued 113 presidential pardons to people who have served their entire sentence, and has commuted in addition the sentences of four people.
Blah, Blah, the list is on post #25
113 with a year and a half left to go. Just another POS politician.
Now, just WHO, out of 113 pardons, ESCAPED JAIL BY BEING PARDONED!?!?!?!?!?
How's THAT compare to your beloved Billy-boy?
Not even Libby, who you want to cry about, escapes a federal conviction. That stands.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

And ULTRA, just exactly what do you wish to accuse by your carefully selected bold-facing of certain names in your "pardon list"? :confused:
I'm quite certain that Wikipedia's list is not posted in such a manner so it is no simple paste-job.:idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

As usual, ULTRAS ignores the most telling sentence in the list apparently he didn't read very closely.
As soon as he stopped BOLDING sentence 2, is the line "to people who have served their entire sentence".
Now, just WHO, out of 113 pardons, ESCAPED JAIL BY BEING PARDONED!?!?!?!?!?
How's THAT compare to your beloved Billy-boy?
Not even Libby, who you want to cry about, escapes a federal conviction. That stands.
I guess you think it's OK for your Prez to clean up the records of cocaine dealers and car thives. I don't. I don't think it was OK for Clinton or any other to do the same. We have a criminal justice system that shouldn't be selective based on who you know or who you blow.
We'll see if Libby's conviction stands or not. My guess he will receive a full pardon before Mr. Bush leaves office.
And ULTRA, just exactly what do you wish to accuse by your carefully selected bold-facing of certain names in your "pardon list"? :confused:
I'm quite certain that Wikipedia's list is not posted in such a manner so it is no simple paste-job.:idea:
Accuse? I bolded the drug and auto theft pardons. Was that hard to understand? It is noted that there are some similar in Billy's list.
BTW, I believe that Libby took the a fall for his boss. It's Dicky boy that should have been prosecuted and convicted. Just my opinion. No facts. No source

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It's Dicky boy that should have been prosecuted and convicted.
What for? G-head, explain. I'll wait.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What for? G-head, explain. I'll wait.
G-head ?? If you hold your breath, while you wait, you will turn blue for sure.
Have a great evening.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Sorry, I forgot your weakness with english and miss-syntaxed it. "G-head", should have been "G'head", the shortened vernacular of "go ahead".
I'm STILL waiting for you to inform us all of what crime "Dicky-boy" committed that you have information on.

[never_fast_enuf]

BTW, I believe that Libby took the a fall for his boss. It's Dicky boy that should have been prosecuted and convicted. Just my opinion. No facts. No source
Prosecuted and convicted of what? You have no facts, nothing that says that he did anything wrong that rises to the level of incarceration yet you think he should be put in jail. Somewhere, Stalin and Lenin are smiling widely

[Old Texan]

Because a great deal of people do not like George Bush, they will go to any means possible to drum up some kind of case to harm him or discredit him. If they can't get to him they go after Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. The whole Plame fiasco was targeting Rove, Cheney and Bush in that order and it failed misaerably. Libby was collateral damage in the effect someone had to get stuck with something due to all the high dollar time consuming "investigation".
Libby got nailed basically for an absentminded untruth or something of a similar nature construed as obstruction of justice.
Bush's pardon basically removed the man doing time for an asinine ending to a witch hunt which should have been terminated months prior and never even went to court.
The whole damn situation was put in place by Wilson and Plame in their vain attempt to smear the Whitehouse.
I for one am sick and tired of these ridiculously childish charades being played out constantly by both sides but in particular those trying to thwart the sitting President. There's a whole lot of bloated egos within the country's power structure that need to simply grow up.
Wasting time on the Libby farce is just more crying over spilt milk with no relevant purpose. All that comes out of the Congress these days seems to be obstructionism. If these people lived in the business world they would all be fired for lack of production and ineptitude.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Sorry, I forgot your weakness with english and miss-syntaxed it. "G-head", should have been "G'head", the shortened vernacular of "go ahead".
I'm STILL waiting for you to inform us all of what crime "Dicky-boy" committed that you have information on.
Apparently you can't read. "No facts no source" was clearly stated in my post but of course in your world people can't have feelings that aren't supported by internet source material. It's a shame that you aren't nearly as intelligent as you would like everyone to believe. I forgot your weakness with English and miss-syntaxed BYW, most would consider your mis-syntaxed expression as your weakness with English, don't ya think? I have no time for your childish argument mentality Smokin Sorcerer
Prosecuted and convicted of what? You have no facts, nothing that says that he did anything wrong that rises to the level of incarceration yet you think he should be put in jail. Somewhere, Stalin and Lenin are smiling widely
I said I had no facts and stated my feelings about Dicky boy. No more no less.
However, I believe that in time we will all learn how crooked Dicky boy really is and was.
Because a great deal of people do not like George Bush, they will go to any means possible to drum up some kind of case to harm him or discredit him. If they can't get to him they go after Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. The whole Plame fiasco was targeting Rove, Cheney and Bush in that order and it failed misaerably. Libby was collateral damage in the effect someone had to get stuck with something due to all the high dollar time consuming "investigation".
Libby got nailed basically for an absentminded untruth or something of a similar nature construed as obstruction of justice.
Bush's pardon basically removed the man doing time for an asinine ending to a witch hunt which should have been terminated months prior and never even went to court.
The whole damn situation was put in place by Wilson and Plame in their vain attempt to smear the Whitehouse.
I for one am sick and tired of these ridiculously childish charades being played out constantly by both sides but in particular those trying to thwart the sitting President. There's a whole lot of bloated egos within the country's power structure that need to simply grow up.
Wasting time on the Libby farce is just more crying over spilt milk with no relevant purpose. All that comes out of the Congress these days seems to be obstructionism. If these people lived in the business world they would all be fired for lack of production and ineptitude.
Tex,
You must admit that Bush and his administration provide plenty of targets for taking shots. As you know, I am looking forward to a change in 09. But is sucks that, as of now, we don't have much to choose from on either side.

[Old Texan]

Tex,
You must admit that Bush and his administration provide plenty of targets for taking shots. As you know, I am looking forward to a change in 09. But is sucks that, as of now, we don't have much to choose from on either side.
Change party and all you do is change flavors. We will most likely have to resign ourselves to the facts of both parties offering different versions of the power machines they've built.
As much as you dislike the present administration it's hard to fathom how you can hope the other side has anything to improve with? The socialist leanings of H.Clinton and her ongoing tirades based on what the polls say each day prior to her latest spiel, is quite disconcerting to me. I plain don't trust her and felt the same about her hubby. Bill was tolerable from the point of his personality but his "machine" presents just as many targets as the current admin.
To me the scariest trend in government is the 60's radicals in the form of Pelosi, Boxer, and friends that have no concept whatsoever of reality or morality. They care only about their livfelong agendas of euphoria and in no way are capbable of making life deicisons for the best benefit of this country.
Bottom line is the terrorists might do this country a favor if they blew up the Capitol when both House and Senate were in full session and the Pres was standing up front but they know doing this would be against their own interests so we're stuck with this bunch of fools. :devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Change party and all you do is change flavors. We will most likely have to resign ourselves to the facts of both parties offering different versions of the power machines they've built.
As much as you dislike the present administration it's hard to fathom how you can hope the other side has anything to improve with? The socialist leanings of H.Clinton and her ongoing tirades based on what the polls say each day prior to her latest spiel, is quite disconcerting to me. I plain don't trust her and felt the same about her hubby. Bill was tolerable from the point of his personality but his "machine" presents just as many targets as the current admin.
To me the scariest trend in government is the 60's radicals in the form of Pelosi, Boxer, and friends that have no concept whatsoever of reality or morality. They care only about their livfelong agendas of euphoria and in no way are capbable of making life deicisons for the best benefit of this country.
Bottom line is the terrorists might do this country a favor if they blew up the Capitol when both House and Senate were in full session and the Pres was standing up front but they know doing this would be against their own interests so we're stuck with this bunch of fools. :devil:
Tex,
I understand exactly where you are coming from and agree with most of what you commented, however I believe that anyone running on either side, with the exception of Hillary, is capible of doing a better job than what we currently have. If Ron Pauls had a bit more stature, and was slightly less eccentric, I believe he could do a good job. Sad to say that the Mr Paul's low points will never change.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Apparently you can't read. "No facts no source" was clearly stated in my post but of course in your world people can't have feelings that aren't supported by internet source material. .
I just wanted to give you every opportunity to re-open the can of worms I burried you with over the Plame investigation/non-crime.
I personally think it's interesting that you don't cry over Richard Armitage's lack of prison time while you sure want to hang Dick Cheney.
Again, feelings that have no basis in reality. Quite entertaining.
It's a shame that you aren't nearly as intelligent as you would like everyone to believe.
I'm not the one who WAS WRONG in a 3-page urinating contest over pluralizing a word, am I smart guy? :D
How about some more diatribes eh? :idea:
However, I believe that in time we will all learn how crooked Dicky boy really is and was.
So, how many decades will it take to earn a retraction if you turn out to be wrong?
Of course, a complete lack of evidence is certainly not proof that it didn't happen (the core of all nutball conspiracies).
It's a good thing your gut knows what goes on better than the FBI did in rooting out Armitage. Maybe you missed your calling in selling insurance. Go FBI and clean it all up. :idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I just wanted to give you every opportunity to re-open the can of worms I burried you with over the Plame investigation/non-crime.
I personally think it's interesting that you don't cry over Richard Armitage's lack of prison time while you sure want to hang Dick Cheney.
Again, feelings that have no basis in reality. Quite entertaining.
I'm not the one who WAS WRONG in a 3-page urinating contest over pluralizing a word, am I smart guy? :D
How about some more diatribes eh? :idea:
So, how many decades will it take to earn a retraction if you turn out to be wrong?
Of course, a complete lack of evidence is certainly not proof that it didn't happen (the core of all nutball conspiracies).
It's a good thing your gut knows what goes on better than the FBI did in rooting out Armitage. Maybe you missed your calling in selling insurance. Go FBI and clean it all up. :idea:
You buried me? That's funny. I don't think I've ever run across someone as full of himself as you are Smokin. It's becoming harder, with every Smokin post to take you seriously.
Diatribing??? Right on oh smart one :D :D :D :D Get you foot out of your mouth and maybe we can communicate. I suspect you can't