Question for the forum liberals and anti Bush crowd.

[never_fast_enuf]

Have any of you decided to participate in the best economy this country has ever seen or are you sitting it out in protest?
Seriously, are you all worse or better off than you were 6 years ago?
Personally, I am much better off. Built a second home that happens to be waterfront. Purchased a new Sunsation go fast. I make a ton more than I did 6 years ago. My stock portfolio is shinning again after the Clinton market went bust.
Come on, lets here some good from you as America is concerned.
Now am am going down to the dock to hit the lake so lets hear it...

[never_fast_enuf]

I forgot to add that I would like to hear from the other side of the fence as well. I love to hear about others doing well!

[OKIE-JET]

My 70k job went to China in '06.:devil:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I had to turn down a wage increase last month, due to union-mandated wage limitations.

[never_fast_enuf]

My 70k job went to China in '06.:devil:
Really? I am sorry to hear that. What was the job and have you found other work?

[iRepo]

My business is 4 times what it was when Clinton was president.

[Old Texan]

I almost hate to say anything to hurt the Libs' feelings (Yeah right:devil: ) but the TX/LA oil industry is doing very well. They will claim it's because of Bush and Cheny connections. :rolleyes: This isn't just domestic either. World drilling is booming and has the oil support industry prospering with it.
My company had a record year for growth last year and an agressive budget for this year. Half way through we are on target.
The southern auto industry is strong and our business is good in that sector.
Refinery business is steady and we need more capacity.
Real estate in TX seems steady and commercial RE is strong.
TX/LA can't get enough skilled fabrication labor.

[Poster X]

I almost hate to say anything to hurt the Libs' feelings (Yeah right:devil: ) but the TX/LA oil industry is doing very well. They will claim it's because of Bush and Cheny connections. :rolleyes: This isn't just domestic either. World drilling is booming and has the oil support industry prospering with it.
My company had a record year for growth last year and an agressive budget for this year. Half way through we are on target.
The southern auto industry is strong and our business is good in that sector.
Refinery business is steady and we need more capacity.
Real estate in TX seems steady and commercial RE is strong.
TX/LA can't get enough skilled fabrication labor.
I suppose you haven't considered WHY the oil and gas business is booming?
It's obvious you haven't noticed the employment stats are abetted by the war and Katrina.
You haven't cracked a newspaper and learned that real estate overlent to appear to be booming and now the market is suffering and sales are stagnant and repo's are at a industry high.
I reckon that you will never consider that oil prices will drive up minimum wage which will exponentially affect pricing on everything from goods to services nationwide and will be inherited (and blamed) on the next administration.
It's naturally beyond you that we are ignoring the highest and most catostrophic national debt in the history of mankind so the upper middle class can experience light tax cuts which translates into an eventual bankruptsy which will alos be inherited by the next administration which will have to overtax for the deficiency this administration created so they could have bragging rights.
Honestly.. do any of you actually think for yourselves?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My business is 4 times what it was when Clinton was president.
One quick little interruption from my self imposed time out.
Please note the name of the person in the post that I quoted "irepo" and his comment. Not what most would consider a sign of a strong economy.
I suspect that the repo/foreclosure rate will continue to skyrocket. This BS economy is generated by debt.
If you are overly extended, I feel sorry for what's likely to be in your future.
Again,
My business is 4 times what it was when Clinton was president.

[OutCole'd]

One quick little interruption from my self imposed time out.
Please note the name of the person in the post that I quoted "irepo" and his comment. Not what most would consider a sign of a strong economy.
I suspect that the repo/foreclosure rate will continue to skyrocket. This BS economy is generated by debt.
If you are overly extended, I feel sorry for what's likely to be in your future.
Again,
Classic:D

[bigq]

One quick little interruption from my self imposed time out.
Please note the name of the person in the post that I quoted "irepo" and his comment. Not what most would consider a sign of a strong economy.
I suspect that the repo/foreclosure rate will continue to skyrocket. This BS economy is generated by debt.
If you are overly extended, I feel sorry for what's likely to be in your future.
Again,
With 2 post I see the post fullfilled its purpose, kinda lame Ultra26:rolleyes:

[OKIE-JET]

Really? I am sorry to hear that. What was the job and have you found other work?
I was a machinist for Delta Faucet Co., a division of MASCO Corp....havent looked for more work....yet:devil:

[Old Texan]

I suppose you haven't considered WHY the oil and gas business is booming?
It's obvious you haven't noticed the employment stats are abetted by the war and Katrina.
You haven't cracked a newspaper and learned that real estate overlent to appear to be booming and now the market is suffering and sales are stagnant and repo's are at a industry high.
I reckon that you will never consider that oil prices will drive up minimum wage which will exponentially affect pricing on everything from goods to services nationwide and will be inherited (and blamed) on the next administration.
It's naturally beyond you that we are ignoring the highest and most catostrophic national debt in the history of mankind so the upper middle class can experience light tax cuts which translates into an eventual bankruptsy which will alos be inherited by the next administration which will have to overtax for the deficiency this administration created so they could have bragging rights.
Honestly.. do any of you actually think for yourselves?
Oil exploration/drilling is booming because of worldwide demand. China and India are staving for oil supply and much of the exploration is for their usage. It seems tha the US just happens to have the means and the technical skills required to provide the support for the industry. Hmmm, global economic prosperity, who'd a thought.
The business climate is healthy at least the sector I'm dealing with and they are paying taxes.
So are the RE repos in north TX apparent to you or are you just generalizing on the weak segments of the country that aren't doing well like Michigan and CA, 2 states that seem to be suffering from their socialistic tendencies? (I guess they weren't ready for such an advanced form of government)

[Poster X]

Oil exploration/drilling is booming because of worldwide demand. China and India are staving for oil supply and much of the exploration is for their usage. It seems tha the US just happens to have the means and the technical skills required to provide the support for the industry. Hmmm, global economic prosperity, who'd a thought.
Our stored supplies are depleted because of the war digleberry. Crack a book for Christs sake.
The business climate is healthy at least the sector I'm dealing with and they are paying taxes.
So your sector is the only one that counts?
So are the RE repos in north TX apparent to you or are you just generalizing on the weak segments of the country that aren't doing well like Michigan and CA, 2 states that seem to be suffering from their socialistic tendencies? (I guess they weren't ready for such an advanced form of government)
Real estate is a national problem. Not a segmented one. Again.. read something besides the Drudge report. If for no other reason, just so your subordinates can learn from your example.

[Old Texan]

PX-
Didn't gather my info from Drudge, it's my observation from what I see each day in the "real world".
I speak on my segment because it's firsthand and it effects many millions of citizens.
So doom and gloom so more?
Please explain how the war has effected our stored supplies. This isn't something I've heard before and I'd be interested in learning "Oh Exalted One". I've been told how the military gets their fuel but my information came from Tommy Franks' former Logistical Officer and he most likely isn't privy to the inside info you get.
Thanks

[Poster X]

PX-
Didn't gather my info from Drudge, it's my observation from what I see each day in the "real world".
I speak on my segment because it's firsthand and it effects many millions of citizens.
So doom and gloom so more?
Please explain how the war has effected our stored supplies. This isn't something I've heard before and I'd be interested in learning "Oh Exalted One". I've been told how the military gets their fuel but my information came from Tommy Franks' former Logistical Officer and he most likely isn't privy to the inside info you get.
Thanks
Your observational skills could use a little tuning up. The Department of Defense is the largest user of petroleum on Planet Earth. Do you think our oil tankers travelling back and forth between here and the Persian Gulf are transporting Dr Pepper? Do you realize the ablity to "whip into a gas station and fill-up" in Iraq or Afghanistan went with Saddam Hussein and our first thirty or forty sorties? Do you think when we mobilize over here the Sauds send a special tanker just for our military whims, or do you think they just "fill up and leave?" Do you think our military units are sitting there in the desert totally dependant on Saudi supplies? If a bird shit on your head would your observational skills dictate to your brain there's a 40% chance of rain?

[Old Texan]

Your observational skills could use a little tuning up. The Department of Defense is the largest user of petroleum on Planet Earth. Do you think our oil tankers travelling back and forth between here and the Persian Gulf are transporting Dr Pepper? Do you realize the ablity to "whip into a gas station and fill-up" in Iraq or Afghanistan went with Saddam Hussein and our first thirty or forty sorties? Do you think when we mobilize over here the Sauds send a special tanker just for our military whims, or do you think they just "fill up and leave?" Do you think our military units are sitting there in the desert totally dependant on Saudi supplies? If a bird shit on your head would your observational skills dictate to your brain there's a 40% chance of rain?
Oh "Arrogant One", you once again flap your trap without engaging your brain. What you say is pure unadulterated BS and completely off the top of your paper covered noggin.
Besides getting offpoint you have failed in your quest to dazzle us with your claimed intelligence.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Our stored supplies are depleted because of the war digleberry. Crack a book for Christs sake.
So just exactly WHICH supply do you want me to look up and thrash about your head and shoulders poser? Crude Oil, or Gasoline?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Your observational skills could use a little tuning up. The Department of Defense is the largest user of petroleum on Planet Earth.
God poser makes my life toooooooo easy. The little tidbits he just drops into my pockets.
The above is flat out WRONG (I'll leave off the "dumbass" for now).
The DOD IS the largest US GOVT. user of fuel.
According to the US Defense Energy Support Center Fact Book 2004, in Fiscal Year 2004, the US military fuel consumption increased to 144 million barrels. This is about 40 million barrels more than the average peacetime military usage. 70% of that is JP-8 turbine fuel.
The Pentagon accounts for about two percent of the nation’s entire energy use.
The US uses 20,802,000 barrels of oil A DAY.
The DOD uses 394,500 barrels A DAY.
That leaves 20,400,000 barrels A DAY THEY DON'T USE.
US usage of Gasoline alone is 9,159,000 BARRELS A DAY.
The DOD (of all fuels) uses 394,500 barrels A DAY.
DOD use of all fuels is 4% of what we americans use in gasoline alone!
Now, dumbazz, hook your brain up to the keyboard poser.
Oh, it already is. Hmmmmmmm. :idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

The DOD uses 394,500 barrels of oil a day.
France uses 1.9 BILLION per day.
Germany uses 2.65 BILLION per day.
Italy uses 1.7 BILLION per day.
England uses 1.8 BILLION per day.
Cannada uses 2.2 BILLION per day.
Japan uses 5.2 BILLION per day.
South Korea, 2.1 BILLION.
The Netherlands, 881,000.
Tiawan, 846,000.
I suppose the DOD MIGHT use more oil than Malaysia, or the Azores, perhaps New Guinea?
Hey poser, are you gonna check your facts first before you tell me we buy most of our imported oil from Saudi Arabia?
Just who IS our leading supplier?

[Poster X]

You screamin' little bitches know I meant the DoD as an independent agency. But, you have to have some little diversion to avoid the real facts which are, the current facist regime is pissing away our money, our reserves, and any chance whatsoever of even... long time recovery. You have written a check our childrens childrens children will still be trying to cash. Your liberal spending, pissing on the Bill of Rights, and laws on top of laws on top of laws will take generations to undue. You are idiots who support an idiot who makes idiotic choices. Sorry if you consider that name calling. I think it's appointing an appropriate adjective.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I shot my mouth off again and am now chewing on my foot. Now, I did it again.
The DOD uses 394,500 barrels of oil a day.
Union Pacific Rail road uses 933,000 barrels of Diesel fuel a day. 2.36 times as much as DOD uses.
The US Airlines together use 1.27 MILLION barrels of jet fuel every day, 3.24 times as much as DOD uses.
Yet again, you were not only wrong in what you said, you were wrong in what you INTENDED to say.
Do your homework first poser. You get an F, in politically incorrect red ink.
Class dismissed.

[Old Texan]

PX, "Legend in a Sack", how would anyone discern how you think??????????
So what other tidbits of wisdom will you share about the economy you claim to be in chaos??????????????
The tax cuts are bringing revenue to the banks, now your little liberal friends in the Congress need to rein in spending. If they'd be prudent with their profits, the big old debt you keep bellering about stealing your little kiddies futures, they could eliminate it. Whose authoring the bills spending the bucks? Bush and the Repubs spend pretty wild, but the donkey side really throws out the pork.

[Schiada76]

The DOD uses 394,500 barrels of oil a day.
Union Pacific Rail road uses 933,000 barrels of Diesel fuel a day. 2.36 times as much as DOD uses.
The US Airlines together use 1.27 MILLION barrels of jet fuel every day, 3.24 times as much as DOD uses.
Yet again, you were not only wrong in what you said, you were wrong in what you INTENDED to say.
Do your homework first poser. You get an F, in politically incorrect red ink.
Class dismissed.
:D :D :D
Debating a liberal is like talking to a stump.
You will NEVER get through to this idiot, and he is truly an idiot.:rolleyes: :D :D

[Blown 472]

I had to turn down a wage increase last month, due to union-mandated wage limitations.
Union job huh?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

:D :D :D
Debating a liberal is like talking to a stump.
You will NEVER get through to this idiot, and he is truly an idiot.:rolleyes: :D :D
My steel toed boots had gotten some goose crap on them, and I wanted to clean them off. :D

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Union job huh?
So, you double as "Mr Obvious".
And I am not in the union.

[Poster X]

PX, "Legend in a Sack", how would anyone discern how you think??????????
So what other tidbits of wisdom will you share about the economy you claim to be in chaos??????????????
The tax cuts are bringing revenue to the banks, now your little liberal friends in the Congress need to rein in spending. If they'd be prudent with their profits, the big old debt you keep bellering about stealing your little kiddies futures, they could eliminate it. Whose authoring the bills spending the bucks? Bush and the Repubs spend pretty wild, but the donkey side really throws out the pork.
We've had Congress a few months compared to your decades and you're already dumping everything on them? It would take years to undo all the PORK and politically correct amendments you guys have made. Just the laws alone you have created would take years and years to unwind. Exactly how is it you're paying back the largest national debt in the history of mankind? Oh I forgot.. not a damn thing. It increases by the billions daily.

[Poster X]

My steel toed boots had gotten some goose crap on them, and I wanted to clean them off. :D
You're like a dozen 14 year old girls at a slumber party. Calling you idiots is going light on you.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

We've had Congress a few months compared to your decades and you're already dumping everything on them? It would take years to undo all the PORK and politically correct amendments you guys have made. Just the laws alone you have created would take years and years to unwind. Exactly how is it you're paying back the largest national debt in the history of mankind? Oh I forgot.. not a damn thing. It increases by the billions daily.
Don't look now bag-boy, but the democrat list of earmarks is getting out, and it isn't any smaller. I think they are even leaving in the payments to Cold-Cash Johnson for a new freezer. :D
Also, yet again, you are wrong about the "largest national debt in the history of mankind".
You get an "A" in "blind talking points", but it is not enough to help you on your final.
If you paid ANY attention to a recent thread, the federal tax income is up, AGAIN (which someone here said was impossible with tax CUTS), for like the 5th or 6th year in a row. 11% this time.
To top THAT one off, the "defecit" is now only 1.5% of the national budget (it was 10% 2 years ago).
To top THAT off, IF no democrat 400-million dollar tax increase trenches the economy, there will be a SURPLUS in 2 years, perhaps less.
Again, another "F" for "F"ailing to pay attention to reality.
Perhaps you could drop by a local boat dealer and get one of the new foil hats. :D

[SmokinLowriderSS]

You're like a dozen 14 year old girls at a slumber party. Calling you idiots is going light on you.
Translation: "Someone call me a WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!" :(

[Poster X]

Don't look now bag-boy, but the democrat list of earmarks is getting out, and it isn't any smaller. I think they are even leaving in the payments to Cold-Cash Johnson for a new freezer. :D
Also, yet again, you are wrong about the "largest national debt in the history of mankind".
You get an "A" in "blind talking points", but it is not enough to help you on your final.
If you paid ANY attention to a recent thread, the federal tax income is up, AGAIN (which someone here said was impossible with tax CUTS), for like the 5th or 6th year in a row. 11% this time.
To top THAT one off, the "defecit" is now only 1.5% of the national budget (it was 10% 2 years ago).
To top THAT off, IF no democrat 400-million dollar tax increase trenches the economy, there will be a SURPLUS in 2 years, perhaps less.
Again, another "F" for "F"ailing to pay attention to reality.
Perhaps you could drop by a local boat dealer and get one of the new foil hats. :D
You're out of your mind.

[Moneypitt]

PX, with tax cuts you get wealth. With wealth you get growth. With growth you get jobs. With jobs you get taxes........Simple economics....Raise taxes on wealth and the whole process reverses......Sure the rich get richer, but they also reinvest the wealth, (growth) to keep from having to pay it all out in taxes.......It is a revolving door, no doubt, but it works alot better when there is "A chicken in every pot"...........It is very hard right now for the Dems to convience the general public how bad off we are, economically speaking, when alot of people are actually doing quite well......I know here in So Cal the job market is quite hot, not enough skilled workers in a lot of fields, same can be said for Tex's area. Skilled workers are asking for, and getting, excellent wages........Who can say how long it will last, but to be sure, if taxes are raised, the bubble will burst quickly as "wealth" goes into hiding.......And tax revenues will shrink.........MP

[Poster X]

Jobs have been abundant for decades. The new deficit is growing quicker than you can print cash.

[Moneypitt]

Jobs have been abundant for decades. The new deficit is growing quicker than you can print cash.
I don't think so..Not the type jobs I'm refering to. Highly skilled workers in manufacturing. No buyers, no work.......Buyers= manufacturing jobs. I see it up close and personal. I have seen several cycles in the last 3 decades, and my kind of work has not been abundant for decades. Sure there have been jobs, but not the pay........Now is a workers market, vs an employers market where you have 3 people willing to work for "sweat" wages. Now an employer HAS to pay the wage or they go without decent help....I've been on both sides of the issue.........Now is better..............MP

[SmokinLowriderSS]

The exalted Karnak the poser knows all, and has just shown it.
It's too bad "all" is all you can fit on the head of a pin already loaded with 10,000 angels.
2004 defecit, 412 billion (3.6% of GDP)
2005 tax reciepts up 52 billion from 2004
2005 defecit, 395 billion (3.2% of GDP)
2006 tax reciepts up 250 billion from 2005
More time later to display poser's stupidity.

[never_fast_enuf]

Jobs have been abundant for decades. The new deficit is growing quicker than you can print cash.
Your statement doesn't come close to fitting the facts.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The exalted Karnak the poser knows all, and has just shown it.
It's too bad "all" is all you can fit on the head of a pin already loaded with 10,000 angels.
2004 defecit, 412 billion (3.6% of GDP)
2005 tax reciepts up 52 billion from 2004
2005 defecit, 395 billion (3.2% of GDP)
2006 tax reciepts up 250 billion from 2005
More time later to display poser's stupidity.
Hate to burst your bubble fellas' but all of the talk of increased tax receipts means nothing when the current administration is spending 1.33 billion dollars a day more than it's income.
One of the most attractive and fundamental elements of a conservative administration is less government and less government spending. This has hardly been the case of the Bush administration.
Three years into his administration we watched government spending mushroom by 23.7 percent, the fastest pace in a decade. Hardly the mark of true conservatives. With an increase in govt spending will come an increase in income tax receipts. It's not rocket science.
The current administration has failed the conservative American people by doing the exact opposite of everything a conservative government should stand for and promised. Tax cuts are great, but can only produce the desired positive effect when accompanied by equal or greater cuts in government spending.
Mr. Bush is failing in this regard as well.
Now back to time out

[Old Texan]

Hate to burst your bubble fellas' but all of the talk of increased tax receipts means nothing when the current admins ration is spending 1.33 billion dollars a day more than it's income.
One of the most attractive and fundamental elements of a conservative administration is less government and less government spending. This has hardly been the case of the Bush administration.
Three years into his administration we watched government spending mushroom by 23.7 percent, the fastest pace in a decade. Hardly the mark of true conservatives. With an increase in govt spending will come an increase in income tax receipts. It's not rocket science.
The current administration has failed the conservative American people by doing the exact opposite of everything a conservative government should stand for and promised. Tax cuts are great, but can only produce the desired positive effect when accompanied by equal or greater cuts in government spending.
Mr. Bush is failing in this regard as well.
Now back to time out
B]Tax cuts are great, but can only produce the desired positive effect when accompanied by equal or greater cuts in government spending. [/B]
I believe everyone is in agreement with this and no one has denied the Bush Whitehouse has not used the veto pen enough.
Look beyond the hate for Bush and realize it's a combined effort of all involved. No one is getting what they voted for apparently except those receiving the high dollar pork.
Now I shall sit back and wait to be slammed on that comment I suppose....

[eliminatedsprinter]

On this one Ultra and Smokin, Moneypitt etc are all correct. The tax cuts are good for the economy and President Bush has failed to use his veto pen to stop bills that are loaded down with too many spending earmarks and increased bureaucracy etc...

[Poster X]

There's no way tax cuts will stimulate enough tax revenue to pay down the debt. They might affect the GNP but not the debt. The debt is growing at a quicker pace than surplus taxes that can go toward paying it.
But... on a lighter note...
Hillary Clinton goes to her doctor for a physical, only to
find out that she's pregnant. She is furious...
Here she's in the middle of her first run for president, and
as Senator of New York this has happened to her. She calls home, gets
Bill on the phone and immediately starts screaming; "How could you have
let this happen? With all that's going on right now, you go and get me
pregnant! How could you? I can't believe this! I just found out I am
five weeks pregnant and it is all your fault! Your fault! Well, what
have you got to say?"
There is nothing but dead silence on the phone.
She screams again, "Did you hear me?"
Finally she hears Bill's very, very quiet voice. In a barely
audible whisper, he says, "Who is this?"

[never_fast_enuf]

Hate to burst YOUR bubble but CONGRESS spends the money.
Tell me again who has the majority in congress?
In all honesty, I have NOT been happy with the so called republican membership as it pertains to domestic spending.
BTW...the democrats lied to you when they said they would "clean up" Washington. Earmarks at up at record pace....

[never_fast_enuf]

On this one Ultra and Smokin, Moneypitt etc are all correct. The tax cuts are good for the economy and President Bush has failed to use his veto pen to stop bills that are loaded down with too many spending earmarks and increased bureaucracy etc...
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[SmokinLowriderSS]

Hate to burst YOUR bubble but CONGRESS spends the money.
Yep. As of the EARLY 1970's con gress got in to a battle with the president who refused to waste money on certain pork, and refused to authorize it to be spent.
That lasted 1 year.
The following year, the FIRST thing congress did was to pass a law that stated that the president shall spend every nickel congress authorizes, at every place congress authorizes, when he signs the spending bill.
Now, the only way arround it is the veto pen.
Anyone know which president that was?
Hmmmmmmmmm????????????
poser, still waiting on you to tell us WHO our largest supplier of oil is. :D
I'n waiting for anotyher example of your "amazing inteligence", JUST LIKE THE LAST FEW EXAMPLES.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Yep. As of the EARLY 1970's con gress got in to a battle with the president who refused to waste money on certain pork, and refused to authorize it to be spent.
That lasted 1 year.
The following year, the FIRST thing congress did was to pass a law that stated that the president shall spend every nickel congress authorizes, at every place congress authorizes, when he signs the spending bill.
Now, the only way arround it is the veto pen.
Anyone know which president that was?
Hmmmmmmmmm????????????
poser, still waiting on you to tell us WHO our largest supplier of oil is. :D
I'n waiting for anotyher example of your "amazing inteligence", JUST LIKE THE LAST FEW EXAMPLES.
Seems like Bush may have gotten a pen with no ink in it or something. :D
Based on the dates and political affiliation my guess would be Carter.
Who would have thought that Canada was ever the largest supplier of oil to the US? Canada has a massive amount of oil that is being extracted from Oil Sands. Our northern neighbors are sitting on a potential 2.5 trillion barrels. TX oil folks are becoming more heavily involved and invested in the production of crude from Canadian oil sands. The current price of crude finally makes this somewhat expensive method of extracting oil, profitable
"Of course, we all know who has the oil. One country boasts the largest reserves on earth. Within the coming decades, its production will likely stand head and shoulders above every other nation's. Our unfavorable trade balance with this country could politically destabilize and humiliate the U.S. No, I am not talking about Saudi Arabia. Rather, I ask my countrymen: What are we going to do about Canada?
A bit of background
According to the Oil Sands Discovery Centre, Alberta's oil sands are the largest known reserve of oil on earth, with between 1.7 and 2.5 trillion barrels of non-conventional oil (yes, that was trillion with a "t"). To put this in perspective, Saudi Arabia has "only" 261.9 billion barrels of proven reserves. In fact, all OPEC nations combined have only 885 billion barrels of reserves. Also, unlike many OPEC nations, output in Canada is on the rise and will continue to increase for many decades. The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) estimates total Canadian production will grow to 3.9 million bpd by 2015, with oil sands production increasing from 1 million bpd to 2.7 million bpd. If the world is approaching Peak Oil, we can't blame Canada."
BTW Smokin, this is not new news. I first learned of this massive oil supply from a 60 Minutes broadcast about a year and half to two years ago.

[Old Texan]

It's apparently new news to the BagBoy, or he has just chosen to ignore.....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It's apparently new news to the BagBoy, or he has just chosen to ignore.....
Tex,
Seems this is a fact many here have been unaware of or have chosen to ignore. As I recall, Smokin has stated, on more than one occation, that half of the world's oil supply is in Iraq. Smokin has used this as a support talking point with regard to Iraqi war and the US maintaining some sort of control of Iraqi oil. While production is a slower process from oils sands, doesn't change the fact that it is estimated that 2/3 of the world's oil reserves are in North America.

[Old Texan]

Tex,
Seems this is a fact many here have been unaware of or have chosen to ignore. As I recall, Smokin has stated, on more than one occation, that half of the world's oil supply is in Iraq. Smokin has used this as a support talking point with regard to Iraqi war and the US maintaining some sort of control of Iraqi oil. While production is a slower process from oils sands, doesn't change the fact that it is estimated that 2/3 of the world's oil reserves are in North America.
Actually the fact Canada is our No 1 supplier has been discussed in several energy related threads. This may be prior to the time you started as a regular participant. There was also discussion a year or so back about the cost effectiveness of the oil sands. I believe it was Canuck1 who had comments about them, being located in that region.
Our western states also have a lot of shale oil deposits with the same recovery concerns.
The US is in no way short on oil reserves as new seismic technology is finding more and more deposits. The Gulf of Mex has a lot of new deepwater discoveries working but it will be 8-10 years before they are producing enough to effect the market. The OPEC nations are living off the easy to get to shallow wells where as the technology and cost, not to mention environmental concerns are what's slowing the use of our varied supplies.
But it will be good for our economy as the oil industry will spark a lasting "boom". The downside is gas prices will increase due to added costs and the general public will cry out and complain about getting "ripped off". We however must pay the price for independentcy. There's always a catch.
Here in TX/LA the current "boom" is going strong with the number of both land and offshore rigs being mobilized and the support industries are very busy. Alot of equipment is heading to the African west coast where there is tremendous amount of drilling.
With China and India's evergrowing demand, oil is more than ever the world's most sought after commodity.

[jkh04200]

I've heard for years we have PLENTY of oil. But the stupid ass do good liberals have put so many restrictions on the drillers they can't afford to get it.
Did anybody see the Oriely last night. He had the woman on who is a specialist in reading peoples body language. One of the segments they showed was of John Mellecamp sp?. When he was asked what we should do when someone attacks us he stated "nothing", referring to 9-11. The talk show host said "what about an eye for an eye"? He said it should be do unto others as they would have you do unto them. F$%king liberal moron. I'd like to ask him one scenario. A thug is raping your wife or is harming your child. What your gonna do nothing?

[Poster X]

I've heard for years we have PLENTY of oil. But the stupid ass do good liberals have put so many restrictions on the drillers they can't afford to get it.
Did anybody see the Oriely last night. He had the woman on who is a specialist in reading peoples body language. One of the segments they showed was of John Mellecamp sp?. When he was asked what we should do when someone attacks us he stated "nothing", referring to 9-11. The talk show host said "what about an eye for an eye"? He said it should be do unto others as they would have you do unto them. F$%king liberal moron. I'd like to ask him one scenario. A thug is raping your wife or is harming your child. What your gonna do nothing?
If someone was raping my wife or harming my child I doubt I'd go shoot a stranger in another city.
[QUOTE]It's apparently new news to the BagBoy, or he has just chosen to ignore.....[/QOUTE]
I'm acutely aware of which countries import and export oil. It's amazing you girls are so desperate for a victory? I make one incomplete sentence and in lieu of my admittance of that fact, it's been mentioned no less than five times on the same thread. Besides, I never said I'm smart. I just think neocons are stupid. It's part in parcel of the mind ****.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

If someone was raping my wife or harming my child I doubt I'd go shoot a stranger in another city.
Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

[Schiada76]

Why is this so difficult for some to understand?
Because we look it in the light of the fact that the "strangers in another city" are getting in line to do the same thing unless we stop them first.
Look at it this way.
The gang bangers down the street have been gang banging your wife and daughter for a week, you have tried talking to them to no avail, you even smoked some really good weed with them, they are coming back next week to gang bang your daughter, your wife, you, your dog and your cat next week.
A liberal will willingly take it in the as s so as not to be confrontational.
A conservative would have already killed them all.:devil:

[eliminatedsprinter]

It seems to me that there are a number of points of view here. One point of view here is that of those who don't think Saddam had any links to terrorism and who choose to ignore his repeated violations of the cease fire (including firing on our pilots). Those people are the ones who would be inclined to use the above "stranger in another city" analogy. The rest of us, most likely, just see it as a rather silly non-sequitor.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I make one incompetent sentence and in lieu of fact,
There, fixed THAT mistake too poser.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Consider yourself warned ultra, we are about to have an agreement. :jawdrop:
Seems like Bush may have gotten a pen with no ink in it or something. :D
It sure looks like it is possible. :(
Based on the dates and political affiliation my guess would be Carter.
Close, but no. Earlier, and a Republican. Care to try again?
Anyone, Anyone? :D
Who would have thought that Canada was ever the largest supplier of oil to the US?.
Yes, a factoid that I only recently discovered, and found interesting enough to believe it to be worth spreading arround for knowledge. :)
Not claiming it's new ultra, only new to me, and anyone else who didn't happen to be previously aware of it.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Because we look it in the light of the fact that the "strangers in another city" are getting in line to do the same thing unless we stop them first.
Look at it this way.
The gang bangers down the street have been gang banging your wife and daughter for a week, you have tried talking to them to no avail, you even smoked some really good weed with them, they are coming back next week to gang bang your daughter, your wife, you, your dog and your cat next week.
A liberal will willingly take it in the as s so as not to be confrontational.
A conservative would have already killed them all.:devil:
Schiada76,
The gang bangers down the street have been gang banging your wife and daughter for a week
Not where I come from!
Had I even suspected that anyone was intending to harm my wife or anyone in my family, anyone involved would have been toast before ever getting close. And that's a promise. If there were rumor of such an attack from those in another city, most men that I know would confirm the likelyhood of such an attack before, sending Vinny and Guido to do their thing.
Don't think that your analogy relates to Liberals or Conservatives at all.
Close, but no. Earlier, and a Republican. Care to try again?
Anyone, Anyone? :D
Earky 70's and a Rep. Was his first name Tricky? ;)

[eliminatedsprinter]

Yep. As of the EARLY 1970's con gress got in to a battle with the president who refused to waste money on certain pork, and refused to authorize it to be spent.
That lasted 1 year.
The following year, the FIRST thing congress did was to pass a law that stated that the president shall spend every nickel congress authorizes, at every place congress authorizes, when he signs the spending bill.
Now, the only way arround it is the veto pen.
Anyone know which president that was?
Hmmmmmmmmm????????????
Why bring Nixon and the Congressional Budget and Impoundment act into this??;)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Why bring Nixon and the Congressional Budget and Impoundment act into this??;)
We have a winner!!!! (and it was ultra, he beat ya to it es, even tho he thought this was a "Jeopardy" answer, and answered in the form of a question). :D :D
Yes, Nixon tried long ago to controll congressional spending, and got it rammed up his, well....... you know, tape recorder. :D
Why bring it up?
Seemed fitting, as well as "Why Not?". :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

We have a winner!!!!
"I'll take Potent Potables for $400, Smokin" :D :D

[eliminatedsprinter]

We have a winner!!!! (and it was ultra, he beat ya to it es, even tho he thought this was a "Jeopardy" answer, and answered in the form of a question). :D :D
Yes, Nixon tried long ago to controll congressional spending, and got it rammed up his, well....... you know, tape recorder. :D
Why bring it up?
Seemed fitting, as well as "Why Not?". :D
No reason, I just made it a question for the he11 of it.
Yes but he missed it on his 1rst attempt and I knew it from the get go.;)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

"I'll take Potent Potables for $400, Smokin" :D :D
I had that category all weekend. :D
Budweiser Select
Pilsner Urqell
Knob Creek (My 10-yr-old "House Bourbon" with Coca Cola)
Yucca Dew (Sat PM only, WHEW!!!!!!!)
What a weekend with running drinkers.
Froggystyle (among others) understands. :D :D :D :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I had that category all weekend. :D
Budweiser Select
Pilsner Urqell
Knob Creek (My 10-yr-old "House Bourbon" with Coca Cola)
Yucca Dew (Sat PM only, WHEW!!!!!!!)
What a weekend with running drinkers.
Froggystyle (among others) understands. :D :D :D :D
Smokin,
Do you know Wes? I have alot of respect for him.
"running drinkers" I don't understand

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Smokin,
Do you know Wes? I have alot of respect for him.
"running drinkers" I don't understand
Wes understands. :D We've discussed our histories in pvt.
He's a good man, one of few I would trust with my back. :idea:
It is a very unnusual trail run group that began almost 70 years ago.
About 1% of all people I know would "understand".
All of my friends do, but not all the runners are my friends. Most are.
There are 10's of thousands of us "running drinkers" arround the world.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Wes understands. :D We've discussed our histories in pvt.
He's a good man, one of few I would trust with my back. :idea:
It is a very unnusual trail run group that began almost 70 years ago.
About 1% of all people I know would "understand".
All of my friends do, but not all the runners are my friends. Most are.
There are 10's of thousands of us "running drinkers" arround the world.
Smokin,
Thanks for the info. I had 0 knowledge of such a group.
I agree that Wes is a good man. Prior to starting Trident, he worked at Ultra, back when I bought my 1st in 2001.
Again, thanks for the info

[Froggystyle]

Wes understands. :D We've discussed our histories in pvt.
He's a good man, one of few I would trust with my back. :idea:
It is a very unnusual trail run group that began almost 70 years ago.
About 1% of all people I know would "understand".
All of my friends do, but not all the runners are my friends. Most are.
There are 10's of thousands of us "running drinkers" arround the world.
On on... :D
Just passing through here... carry on.
(BTW... thanks for the good words folks...)
:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

On on... :D
Just passing through here... carry on.
(BTW... thanks for the good words folks...)
:D
Sorry to go off topic,
Wes, saw one of your boats at Havasu last week, it looked good.

[Froggystyle]

Sorry to go off topic,
Wes, saw one of your boats at Havasu last week, it looked good.
Thanks! It has been a lot of work getting here, but the boats are certainly doing their jobs now...
Should be another couple out there before too long.
See you all out on the river. We may be taking some test rides in Parker next Friday/Saturday.
Wes

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Thanks! It has been a lot of work getting here, but the boats are certainly doing their jobs now...
Should be another couple out there before too long.
See you all out on the river. We may be taking some test rides in Parker next Friday/Saturday.
Wes
Wes,
I agree you've worked very hard for this. Best wishes on your continued success.
John M

[Her454]

My 70k job went to China in '06.:devil:
After 14 years I lost mine as well in 06' to Guadalahara. :mad: :mad: I would guess approx 100 employees from our Dept lost jobs in 05 & 06.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

On on... :D
Just passing through here... carry on.
(BTW... thanks for the good words folks...)
:D
Froggy, "You're the meanest ....... " :D

[Froggystyle]

Froggy, "You're the meanest ....... " :D
Yeah, but you suck the horse's penis... :D
"A drinking club with a running problem" was how we always described ourselves.
On that note... "There's a bear in the deep dark woods..." :D :D :D

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Yeah, but you suck the horse's penis... :D
"A drinking club with a running problem" was how we always described ourselves.
On that note... "There's a bear in the deep dark woods..." :D
Yogi, Yogi. :D
But, I used to work in Chicago, at the old department store,
And I also know the girl from baltimore. :D :D :D

[Froggystyle]

Yogi, Yogi. :D
But, I used to work in Chicago, at the old department store,
And I also know the girl from baltimore. :D :D :D
People are going to think we are crazy deluxe.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

People are going to think we are crazy deluxe.
To quote a certain "member" of the "spec. ops. field",
"It's a good kind of crazy.
Now, drink your milk B.A." :D
LMFAO!!!!!!!

[OKIE-JET]

After 14 years I lost mine as well in 06' to Guadalahara. :mad: :mad: I would guess approx 100 employees from our Dept lost jobs in 05 & 06.
Mine was also after 14, we lost 620 peeps....that was all of us.:D

[Froggystyle]

To quote a certain "member" of the "spec. ops. field",
"It's a good kind of crazy.
Now, drink your milk B.A." :D
LMFAO!!!!!!!
Howlin' Mad Murdoch! :D
Loved that show.

[Towndrunk]

I almost hate to say anything to hurt the Libs' feelings (Yeah right:devil: ) but the TX/LA oil industry is doing very well. They will claim it's because of Bush and Cheny connections. :rolleyes: This isn't just domestic either. World drilling is booming and has the oil support industry prospering with it.
My company had a record year for growth last year and an agressive budget for this year. Half way through we are on target.
The southern auto industry is strong and our business is good in that sector.
Refinery business is steady and we need more capacity.
Real estate in TX seems steady and commercial RE is strong.
TX/LA can't get enough skilled fabrication labor.
Anything related to oil is going to be up due to this admin.

[Towndrunk]

Worse.

[Her454]

Howlin' Mad Murdoch! :D
Loved that show.
"I just love it when a plan comes together" ;) :D
One of my favorites as well.