Obama Foreign Policy

[Old Texan]

Mr. Obama has stated he would meet without precondition, with the leaders of Vnezuala, Iran, N. Korea, Cuba and Syria. Hillary calls it naive, others call it foolish.
By legitimizing dictators and tyrants Obama would be giving them credibility and perhaps alienate our allies is the thought process.
This guy has basically come out of nowhere and shown he isn't the typical politician but many of his efforts seem very broad and not at all thought out from the standpoint of the presidential position. Inexperience in true leadership isn't much of a qualification for the head office. Hillary doesn't possess much experience either but she is the ultimate politician and can eat Obama up on many points.
Obama truly is scary from the standpoint he wants to bring all the people together in one big happy group ranging from La Raza to tyranical leaders, seemingly without any realistic far reaching plan. It will be interesting to see how the Democratic mainstream supports him and the country if he would be nominated.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Obama did make that comment in that silly debate. However, his previous comments on such things are pretty much typical of all the rest of the political left's and I doubt he would be any different than any of the others on the democratic side. If you look at his record you can see, that he has pretty much been straight party line on everything and only some of his rhetoric is different from the rest of the field.

[Old Texan]

Obama did make that comment in that silly debate. However, his previous comments on such things are pretty much typical of all the rest of the political left's and I doubt he would be any different than any of the others on the democratic side. If you look at his record you can see, that he has pretty much been straight party line on everything and only some of his rhetoric is different from the rest of the field.
I'm always scared of the "Golden Boy" that seems beyond reproach. This guy has made personal admissions that would have had other candidates tangled in scandal. He's got some pretty powerful backing from somewhere it seems.
I don't think the Clinton machine is taking him lightly as his people have been repelling some "heavy fire".

[eliminatedsprinter]

I'm always scared of the "Golden Boy" that seems beyond reproach. This guy has made personal admissions that would have had other candidates tangled in scandal. He's got some pretty powerful backing from somewhere it seems.
I don't think the Clinton machine is taking him lightly as his people have been repelling some "heavy fire".
It's all about emotion with his base. He is a great speaker (most of the time) and he has a great deal of emotional appeal. The base of the party that he is appealing to is very emotionally driven. Thus he is the "Golden Boy". To be honest, I have to admit that, even though I utterly disagree with 99.99% of his politics, I do enjoy his speeches and he often says many things, re social conditions, that I like. Unfortunatly, on matters of policy, he is just another authoritarian leftist, who would restrict our freedoms and drain our pocketbooks just as fast as the rest of the Left would.

[Steve 1]

Hussein is an Empty suit Period; I cannot see why anyone with half a brain who would trust him with this Country.
He has what? 2 years experience as a Senator and being a Muslim for 27 years has serious issues that need explained.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Hussein is an Empty suit Period; I cannot see why anyone with half a brain who would trust him with this Country.
He has what? 2 years experience as a Senator and being a Muslim for 27 years has serious issues that need explained.
I don't like his politics, but I wont bite on the Muslim smear. It can't be substaniated (in fact, it's highly unlikely) thus it weakens the credibility of those who attempt to use it against him.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I don't like his politics, but I wont bite on the Muslim smear. It can't be substaniated (in fact, it's highly unlikely) thus it weakens the credibility of those who attempt to use it against him.
ES,
Well put

[Steve 1]

Hussein is an Empty suit Period; I cannot see why anyone with half a brain who would trust him with this Country.
He has what? 2 years experience as a Senator and being a Muslim for 27 years has serious issues that need explained.
Try this then!!
http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

[Steve 1]

Then think about this, since I am dealing with people knowledgeable of Islam and the guy was a praticing Muslim for 27 years..
"Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims to further the cause"
Me not a word he says!!!!!!!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

He has what? 2 years experience as a Senator and being a Muslim for 27 years has serious issues that need explained.
We aggree on his lack of any kind of remotely "presidential" experience, but he claims to be Christian, and claims no affiliation to Islam.
Just because a parrent of his was, I will not throw the feathers on your tar Steve.
If you are unwilling to allow him to be whoever he is, in favor of a religious dogma that he does not claim to accept, your credibility suffers for that, not his.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Then think about this, since I am dealing with people knowledgeable of Islam and the guy was a praticing Muslim for 27 years..
This is called assuming facts that are not in evidence. I have read all the right wing accusations about Obama's ties to Islam. They are shakey at best. As a good "objectivist" I require a lot more evidence than the inuindo they provide. I am a proud member of the political right. One if the things I like about the "Conservative" approach to doing things is that it involves being thoughtfull, thinking things through, and not jumping to conclusions based on assumptions or other types of weak data. The inuindo used to link Obama to Islam pretty much meets my definition of weak data. Sorry Steve 1, I agree with your points most of the time, but I'm not with you on this one.:)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Obama's 2 primary religious "advisors" he has history of having arround, are Christian, Friar Michael Pfeleger and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
Not a single Imam, nor even a member of the "wonderous" Minister Calypso Louie Farakahn's N.O.I.
His mother was an athiest.
His father was from Kenya, and spent all of his childhood, except 4 years, living in Hawaii.
Those 4 yrs were in Indonesia.
Parents divorced when he was 2 yrs old.
He lived in Indonesia from ages 6 to 10, attending local indonesian schools.
I have heard NO confirmation of the "madrassa" accusation leveled months ago by the Hildabeast's campaign machine, and I do know of organizations that have tried to check the story out. They have found nothing solid.
Barrak returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from 5th grade until his graduation in 1979.]\
Mother died in 1995, ovarian cancer, not explosive belt.
Punahou School, formerly known as Oahu College, is an exclusive, private, co-educational, non-sectarian college preparatory school located in Honolulu in the U.S. State of Hawaii. With about 3,700 students attending the school, in kindergarten through the twelfth grade, it is the largest independent school in the United States.
Before being elected to the Seante, he worked as an attorney, and as a colegiate level speaker (not a professor) with many typically liberal, socialistic give-away/social carry-the-weak-along functions.
Nothing else in any way remarkable about the man.
He is not a muslim, period.

[Steve 1]

Well which is worse, born a Muslim or covering it up?
If he would claim Jesus Christ as his savoir openly, would put all questions to rest.
Special Interest Group Ratings:
Planned Parenthood - 100% Support
National Right To Life - 0% Support
NARAL - 100% Support
Americans for Tax Reform - 0% Support
ACLU - 83% Support
NEA - 100% Support
NOW Hags - 100% Support
Citizens Against Government Waste - 13% Support
Gun Owners of America - 0% Support
NRA - "F" Rating
Federation for American Immigration Reform - 0% Support
US Border Patrol - 8% Support
Unions - 82% - 100% Support
Population Connection - 100% Support (These are the 'Zero Growth' freaks)
[Obama's record in the Illinois senate:]
- Opposed the Defense of Marriage Act; would work to repeal it in the U.S. Senate; would not vote for any legislation that would restrict the ability of gays and lesbians to marry.
- Opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times in Illinois. A similar bill passed the U.S. Senate 98-0. The Born Alive bill would have prohibited a baby from being born alive but left to die according to the mother's wishes. Obama inexplicably opposed this bill not once, twice, or three times, but four times.
- Obama took almost $90,000 in bundled contributions from the Council for a Livable World. The council is a well-known anti-defense organization.
- Obama puts rigid ideology before what's best for the people of Illinois, and presumably he would do that as President as well. He has on several occasions made public his opposition to the NAFTA trade agreement and his belief that it must be negotiated. All the while thanks to NAFTA, Illinois exports $1.3 billion in agricultural goods to Canada.
- Obama refused to vote for a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers.
- Obama voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders.
- Finally, just in case you thought it couldn't get any worse, Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote against a bill that prohibited early release for sexual predators.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Well which is worse, born a Muslim or covering it up?
If he would claim Jesus Christ as his savoir openly, would put all questions to rest.
Special Interest Group Ratings:
Planned Parenthood - 100% Support
National Right To Life - 0% Support
NARAL - 100% Support
Americans for Tax Reform - 0% Support
ACLU - 83% Support
NEA - 100% Support
NOW Hags - 100% Support
Citizens Against Government Waste - 13% Support
Gun Owners of America - 0% Support
NRA - "F" Rating
Federation for American Immigration Reform - 0% Support
US Border Patrol - 8% Support
Unions - 82% - 100% Support
Population Connection - 100% Support (These are the 'Zero Growth' freaks)
[Obama's record in the Illinois senate:]
- Opposed the Defense of Marriage Act; would work to repeal it in the U.S. Senate; would not vote for any legislation that would restrict the ability of gays and lesbians to marry.
- Opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times in Illinois. A similar bill passed the U.S. Senate 98-0. The Born Alive bill would have prohibited a baby from being born alive but left to die according to the mother's wishes. Obama inexplicably opposed this bill not once, twice, or three times, but four times.
- Obama took almost $90,000 in bundled contributions from the Council for a Livable World. The council is a well-known anti-defense organization.
- Obama puts rigid ideology before what's best for the people of Illinois, and presumably he would do that as President as well. He has on several occasions made public his opposition to the NAFTA trade agreement and his belief that it must be negotiated. All the while thanks to NAFTA, Illinois exports $1.3 billion in agricultural goods to Canada.
- Obama refused to vote for a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers.
- Obama voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders.
- Finally, just in case you thought it couldn't get any worse, Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote against a bill that prohibited early release for sexual predators.
Steve,
Please tell me if I am understanding this wrong, but it sounds as if you are saying that in order to be Christian, a person must have Republican values. ie right to life, a rating from the NRA, etc or claim Jesus Christ as ones savior openly.
Whether you agree with Obama's politics or not should be the issue here.
Seems fairly obvious that you don't like his politics. Why not just leave it at that, rather that assert that Obama is in some way connected to Islam.

[The Doctor]

OK, let's try the lighter side:
Chelsea Clinton visits the soldiers in Iraq. She asks if they are afraid of the Iraqi citizens and they insist that foreign relations couldn't be better.
She then asks if they are afraid of the terrorist cells among the Iraqi people and they insist that there are so few and intelligence so updated that it's not a major concern.
She insists that they must have significant fears and they all agree that that's indeed true. "What is it that you fear the very most?" she asks,
Their unanimous response is "Obama and Yo Mama!"
If you think Iraq is a big problem, elect one of these liberals who intend to dismantle the military to spend their efforts on things like global warming and you won't need to worry about our servicemen overseas. We'll all be fighting here-what's left of them!

[Steve 1]

Steve,
Please tell me if I am understanding this wrong, but it sounds as if you are saying that in order to be Christian, a person must have Republican values. ie right to life, a rating from the NRA, etc or claim Jesus Christ as ones savior openly.
Whether you agree with Obama's politics or not should be the issue here.
Seems fairly obvious that you don't like his politics. Why not just leave it at that, rather that assert that Obama is in some way connected to Islam.
Ok Well Duh!!!!!!!!!! A Muslim Father (you understand that right) determines the kid’s faith in Islam and Stepfather was a Muslim Plus The fact he was registered as a Muslim in a Muslim country when his dad was a Muslim Ultra if you do not understand the ramifications of this leave the debate you look foolish!
What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it Of course the good ole apostate thing will rear it’s head Then who knows? This guy is fair game!!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

OK, let's try the lighter side:
Chelsea Clinton visits the soldiers in Iraq. She asks if they are afraid of the Iraqi citizens and they insist that foreign relations couldn't be better.
She then asks if they are afraid of the terrorist cells among the Iraqi people and they insist that there are so few and intelligence so updated that it's not a major concern.
She insists that they must have significant fears and they all agree that that's indeed true. "What is it that you fear the very most?" she asks,
Their unanimous response is "Obama and Yo Mama!"
LMFAO

[ULTRA26 # 1]

[/U]
Ok Well Duh!!!!!!!!!! A Muslim Father (you understand that right) determines the kid’s faith in Islam and Stepfather was a Muslim Plus The fact he was registered as a Muslim in a Muslim country when his dad was a Muslim Ultra if you do not understand the ramifications of this leave the debate you look foolish!
What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it Of course the good ole apostate thing will rear it’s head Then who knows? This guy is fair game!!
Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
I guess I will leave this debate to you since I look foolish. :D :D

[Steve 1]

Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
I guess I will leave this debate to you since I look foolish. :D :D
You are so far left you do not get it do you??? Here.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C02%5C10%5Cstory_10-2-2007_pg3_3

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You are so far left you do not get it do you??? Here.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C02%5C10%5Cstory_10-2-2007_pg3_3
Here's another one for ya Steve. Mitt Romney, the Mormon, needs to declare openly that he is not a polygamist. Now doesn't that sound ridiculus.
Again, I will leave this debate to you since I look foolish

[SmokinLowriderSS]

What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it
Steve, Obama DOES declare himself to be a Christian.
I thought that was fairly public knowledge, as it is in his book from 1995, and has been reported heavilly, including the "desparity" with the Clintonista's intended attacks on him from last fall accusing him of being a closet muslim. That is why I left it out.
My failure in my usually nauseating thoroughness.
Now, you have said that is enough.
Is it, really?
Steve, you (and others here) know that we agree a lot of the time, but when I think you have gone too far, I will not back your play.
I think you are being extreme here, and I cannot support you.
ultra,
Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
That gets you exactly 1/2 of a Bris(sp), doesn't it? :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

ultra,
That gets you exactly 1/2 of a Bris(sp), doesn't it? :D
That was some funny sh*t as was WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE

[Steve 1]

SS do you know what Church he attends?? I do not think there is a MORE Racist place in the entire country But being of color he can get away with it.
Since his father was a Muslim, that automatically makes him a Muslim according to Islamic teachings
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/02/indonesians-dont-see-obama-as-apostate.html

[Moneypitt]

Who cares about his religion......I don't want another frickin LAWYER elected to ANYTHING...........That is what is wrong with this country today, to many damm LAWYERS in public office..........MP

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Unfortunately ( I know it irritates us about equally), blacks can get away with racism today, unlike whites. So can hispanics, to a lesser extent. :devil:
Hell, Al will be getting out in support of a certain football QB any day know, I am certain of it.:mad:
It is widely reported (So I will give it accuracie's sake) That Barak attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Now, good or bad, that church is reported to have (I'm being nice here) "suspicious" behaviors/preachings. Easy enough to characterize as "non-christian", but DEFINITELY NOT "muslim".
Hell, what would you call our own "dear" (massive sarcasm) Fred Phelps' "church" here in Kansas. Sure as hell not very "christian", but, it claims to be, and also, sure isn't Muslim.
I'm sure you've heard of "The Rev. Pelps", almost everyone has heard of the biggest Ks embarassment since the dust bowl. I don't know anyone who would NOT like to see him torn to bits by an EF-5, just to end his protesting of soldiers funerals.
Issues with his church's behavior, are, IMO, far separate from accusations of him being a follower of Islam.
He does not even proclaim to support everything his church teaches, which is pretty much normal IMO for about 90% of the US church-going populace.
The ONLY time I would expect someone to support every single word someone's "religious institution" preaches, is if it is YOU doing the preaching in YOUR institution.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Who cares about his religion......I don't want another frickin LAWYER elected to ANYTHING...........That is what is wrong with this country today, to many damm LAWYERS in public office..........MP
No kidding MP. :D
For the digestion, here is Trinity United Christian Church (http://www.tucc.org/about.htm)'s website.
Dig arround, make your own decisions, but being a churchgoer here does NOT make Barrak Muslim.
I flat think he's unqualified, and a socialist. That's all I need.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Mitt Romney, the Mormon, needs to declare openly that he is not a polygamist. Now doesn't that sound ridiculus.
Now, I think that would be him declaring that he is smart enough to not get "screwed" by more than 1 woman at a time. A good step to me. :D
(my "angle" is as a man who has divorced 2 ex-wives, and pays both for my sanity I took with me). :D :D

[asch]

Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
Confused.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
:D :D
It makes you someone with twice the guilt...;) :D

[eliminatedsprinter]

[/U]
What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it Of course the good ole apostate thing will rear it’s head Then who knows? This guy is fair game!!
How many times does he have to do it? I have seen him do it at least twice. I've even heard him talk about being "born again and getting baptized".
P.S. His father was, by most reports, either discribed as a "non-practicing" muslim or an athiest. And his muslim step father was also not very religious. He was mostly raised by his Mother and his grandparents all of which are christian by heritage, but not religious at all really. Like I said before, not nearly enough to pin a muslim lable on him.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Here's one for ya Steve. My Dad was born a Jew and my Mom was born a Catholic. What does that make me?
I suppose, by the same "you are a 100% exact mirror of your church" logic dictum, all Catholics have been, for many decades, supporters of pedophelia?
It is only recently that the church itself has become overtly against it by the preisthood, so followers of Catholocism have always been accepting of it as well?
The "2x the guilt" line was a good one too es. :D :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

(my "angle" is as a man who has divorced 2 ex-wives, and pays both for my sanity I took with me). :D :D
That's a place I understand completely. Been with the same lady for most of 34 years divorced this time from her for 14 years. She is a great lady but an alcoholic. For the first time in 34 years she is now completely sober and a pleasure to be around. Only time and her sobriety will tell if we will ever live together (not marry) again. Luckily, I managed to end financial ties 14 years ago by a lump sum payment via a loan.
I suppose, by the same "you are a 100% exact mirror of your church" logic dictum, all Catholics have been, for many decades, supporters of pedophelia?
It is only recently that the church itself has become overtly against it by the preisthood, so followers of Catholocism have always been accepting of it as well?
The "2x the guilt" line was a good one too es. :D :D
Please let me clarify. My mother did not believe in the Catholic faith and considered herself to be Protestant. My Father didn't practice or believe in the Jewish faith. The only times that I have been in a Cathorlic Church or Jewish Temple, have been for weddings or funerals.
My comment or question was intended to demonstrate the goofiness of Steve's logic. Half a Bris??? I like that one the best:D :D
Sorry for getting so far off topic.

[Steve 1]

That's a place I understand completely. Been with the same lady for most of 34 years divorced this time from her for 14 years. She is a great lady but an alcoholic. For the first time in 34 years she is now completely sober and a pleasure to be around. Only time and her sobriety will tell if we will ever live together (not marry) again. Luckily, I managed to end financial ties 14 years ago by a lump sum payment via a loan.
Please let me clarify. My mother did not believe in the Catholic faith and considered herself to be Protestant. My Father didn't practice or believe in the Jewish faith. The only times that I have been in a Cathorlic Church or Jewish Temple, have been for weddings or funerals.
My comment or question was intended to demonstrate the goofiness of Steve's logic. Half a Bris??? I like that one the best:D :D
Sorry for getting so far off topic.
That's where you are dead wrong Giggles WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM The RULES are VERY different??? Learn a little before making an Azz of yourself Leftie/Commie lite.
“He was registered as a Muslim because his FATHER was Muslim.”
In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim.
Muslim students at the school attended weekly religion lessons about Islam, taught by a Muslim.”
Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
IN closing Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America and the Western World.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

That's where you are dead wrong Giggles WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM The RULES are VERY different??? Learn a little before making an Azz of yourself Leftie/Commie lite.
“He was registered as a Muslim because his FATHER was Muslim.”
In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim.
Muslim students at the school attended weekly religion lessons about Islam, taught by a Muslim.”
Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
IN closing Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America and the Western World.
Steve,
Frankly I could give a shit if you hate Obama, if you think he is an Islamic terrorist, if you think I am a commie, or if your dick get eaten a by a f'n serpent. Noone here agrees with you and there is no sign that this is going to change. Appears you're wasting your time with this one big guy.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
He does it on sundays at Trinity United Church of Christ. They are a far left, ethnocentric, nutjob congregation to be sure, but they are not muslim.
In your previous posts yesterday it was 27 years, now in one day, it's up to 31years?
Sen Obama has more confirmed nutty views than the inside of a Planter's processing plant. Why do you have to strain your credibility and go after him on this dubuois islamic inuendo? Esp when the christian church that he actually does belong to is a bunch of nuts, that no serious public servant would ever want to be affiliated with.
P.S. The phoney muslim charge actually helps Sen Obama, because it is not credible and it deflects attention away from the nutjobs that he actually does congregate with.

[never_fast_enuf]

What I care about is Obama's extreme naivety as it pertains to foreign policy. I also deeply care about his voting record which is about as liberal as it gets. He is on the wrong side of everything as I see it and his views (and voting record) continue to contribute to the moral decay in our society.
He is NOT the man to lead this country.
I am going to leave his religious views out of it. As I see it, he was involved with the Muslim religion at a very young age and like the rest of us, he had no choice as to the religion he was pushed into. As an adult, he professes to be a member of the Church of Christ. I think he would come off being much more genuine if he would just admit the simple truth.
At age 8, I didn't a vote as to whether or not I was going to go to the Methodist Church or not. My parents said I was going and that was that.

[Steve 1]

Steve,
Frankly I could give a shit if you hate Obama, if you think he is an Islamic terrorist, if you think I am a commie, or if your dick get eaten a by a f'n serpent. Noone here agrees with you and there is no sign that this is going to change. Appears you're wasting your time with this one big guy.
What are you on?????? I suggest a change BTY where did I say Terrorist?? I said MUSLIM work on your reading.
LOL In your little pink world Candidates could be named Hitler, Stalin, Pol pot, Mao, Saddam, Osama and all would be VERY well so I understand that Hussein would not bother you either. Some Saddam fun videos here.
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What are you on?????? I suggest a change BTY where did I say Terrorist?? I said MUSLIM work on your reading.
LOL In your little pink world Candidates could be named Hitler, Stalin, Pol pot, Mao, Saddam, Osama and all would be VERY well so I understand that Hussein would not bother you either. Some Saddam fun videos here.
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html
Steve,
I thought this thread was about Obama. You're right that names such as Hussein, Alberto, Condoleezza, etc don't bother me.
Steve 1
Ok Well Duh!!!!!!!!!! A Muslim Father (you understand that right) determines the kid’s faith in Islam
That's where you are dead wrong Giggles WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM The RULES are VERY different??? Learn a little before making an Azz of yourself Leftie/Commie lite.
My reading is fine

[eliminatedsprinter]

Martin Van Buren's wife's middle name was Hoes. Did that make him a pimp??:)

[Steve 1]

Steve,
I thought this thread was about Obama. You're right that names such as Hussein, Alberto, Condoleezza, etc don't bother me.
My reading is fine
Right anything you say LOL
http://www.UploadYourImages.com/img/814078wtf_2.jpg (http://www.UploadYourImages.com)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Martin Van Buren's wife's middle name was Hoes. Did that make him a pimp??:)
LMAO :D :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Right anything you say LOL
http://www.UploadYourImages.com/img/814078wtf_2.jpg (http://www.UploadYourImages.com)
I guess this is the best you can do with your foot in your mouth.
If you don't like Obama's positions or politics, then state your case like everyone else Supporting your dislike for this guy with comments about his name and/or his father's inherited religion is doing little for your position.
If you don't get in by now you're not going to.
You have a good day

[Steve 1]

I guess this is the best you can do with your foot in your mouth.
If you don't like Obama's positions or politics, then state your case like everyone else Supporting your dislike for this guy with comments about his name and/or his father's inherited religion is doing little for your position.
If you don't get in by now you're not going to.
You have a good day
That’s got to be the funniest thing you posted to date..
The fact that this guy was a Muslim Mind you a cult that speaks of violent subjugation as a religious obligation.
This For 31 years is of absolutely no ZERO consequence to you and is angling for the office of President NO LESS !!!!!!!!! leads me to believe You would support an Islamic run Presidency here.
I really see there can be no dialog with leftists..

[Steve 1]

http://www.UploadYourImages.com/img/196558obamaislam.jpg (http://www.UploadYourImages.com)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I really see there can be no dialog with leftists..
Originally Posted by ULTRA26 # 1
I guess this is the best you can do with your foot in your mouth.
If you don't like Obama's positions or politics, then state your case like everyone else. Supporting your dislike for this guy with comments about his name and/or his father's inherited religion is doing little for your position.
Please tell us all where you get leftist from the above.
Doesn't seem you've been able to have a dialog about this issue with anyone in the PRF.

[eliminatedsprinter]

That’s got to be the funniest thing you posted to date..
The fact that this guy was a Muslim Mind you a cult that speaks of violent subjugation as a religious obligation.
This For 31 years is of absolutely no ZERO consequence to you and is angling for the office of President NO LESS !!!!!!!!! leads me to believe You would support an Islamic run Presidency here.
I really see there can be no dialog with leftists..
Ultra is not alone here with Poster, and Blown on this one.
If it was a "fact" I would be concerned, but since it is nothing but a bunch unsubstantiated inuindo and supposition, I'll be content to dislike his politics for reasons that are grounded in reality. :)
P.S. Steve 1. I am every bit as anti-left as you are. I feel socialism and communisim are two of the most authoritarian social systems ever devised by man. However, I base my beliefs on conclusions that are much more objectively substantiated than this "Obama is a Muslim" nonsense.
No major conservative thinker is willing to put aside their beliefs in objective thought and buy into this particular inuindo, are they all a bunch of closet leftists who would support an islamic presidency???

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra is not alone here with Poster, and Blown on this one.
If it was a "fact" I would be concerned, but since it is nothing but a bunch unsubstantiated inuindo and supposition, I'll be content to dislike his politics for reasons that are grounded in reality. :)
P.S. Steve 1. I am every bit as anti-left as you are. I feel socialism and communisim are two of the most authoritarian social systems ever devised by man. However, I base my beliefs on conclusions that are much more objectively substantiated than this "Obama is a Muslim" nonsense.
No major conservative thinker is willing to put aside their beliefs in objective thought and buy into this particular inuindo, are they all a bunch of closet leftists who would support an islamic presidency???
ES,
In the scheme of things, I have do doubt that I am further left on many of the issues than yourself. However, I am far from being a socialist or a communist. I have close friends that have political views that are to the right and left of mine. I can think of noone who would support an islamic presidency. Steve suggesting anything to the contrary is political bigotry. I am of the belief that there valid points comming from both sides, and that it is in our Country's best interest to listen.

[Old Texan]

Aside from all the religious debate, what is the basis for this man to have risen so far so fast? That's been my point of contention from the beginning.
He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own.
Not suggesting any conspiracy theories but this guy has got a have lot of support from somewhere and it doesn't appear very visible. With his numbers running as high as they've been he has a very good shot at the Dem nomination.
On the religious side, I see Steve's point (I don't agree he's Muslim and am not supporting the point, just stating my take on what I believe he's trying to convey) about his Muslim legacy and it's somewhat scary because he does support alot of Muslim positions. But then again he supports just about anything out of the mainstream including the chistian religion he claims to follow. Either he is just trying to be everything to everybody or he is about the most mysterious / phony to come down the pike in a while. None of which gives me a fuzzy feeling about him potentially becoming Pres.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Aside from all the religious debate, what is the basis for this man to have risen so far so fast? That's been my point of contention from the beginning.
He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own.
Not suggesting any conspiracy theories but this guy has got a have lot of support from somewhere and it doesn't appear very visible. With his numbers running as high as they've been he has a very good shot at the Dem nomination.
He has had tons of support from Hollywood. Prior to that (after being more popular in the Chicago area than Jessie Jacksons's son), he has had rising star status from the party, that is desperately looking for a non looney seeming, but still left wing, black leader. When Harold Ford (who the base sees as too conservative anyway) got beat, that left Obama as the man to fit that image.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Aside from all the religious debate, what is the basis for this man to have risen so far so fast? That's been my point of contention from the beginning.
He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own.
Not suggesting any conspiracy theories but this guy has got a have lot of support from somewhere and it doesn't appear very visible. With his numbers running as high as they've been he has a very good shot at the Dem nomination.
On the religious side, I see Steve's point (I don't agree he's Muslim and am not supporting the point, just stating my take on what I believe he's trying to convey) about his Muslim legacy and it's somewhat scary because he does support alot of Muslim positions. But then again he supports just about anything out of the mainstream including the chistian religion he claims to follow. Either he is just trying to be everything to everybody or he is about the most mysterious / phony to come down the pike in a while. None of which gives me a fuzzy feeling about him potentially becoming Pres.
Many people veiw charisma and stature as signs of leadership. In Obama's case he has both. He also comes across as an intelligent man. I don't think it is any more complicated than that.

[Steve 1]

Aside from all the religious debate, what is the basis for this man to have risen so far so fast? That's been my point of contention from the beginning.
He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own.
Not suggesting any conspiracy theories but this guy has got a have lot of support from somewhere and it doesn't appear very visible. With his numbers running as high as they've been he has a very good shot at the Dem nomination.
On the religious side, I see Steve's point (I don't agree he's Muslim and am not supporting the point, just stating my take on what I believe he's trying to convey) about his Muslim legacy and it's somewhat scary because he does support alot of Muslim positions. But then again he supports just about anything out of the mainstream including the chistian religion he claims to follow. Either he is just trying to be everything to everybody or he is about the most mysterious / phony to come down the pike in a while. None of which gives me a fuzzy feeling about him potentially becoming Pres.
"He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own."
Anti-American scum Soros
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/soros_obama_and_the_millionair.html

[Steve 1]

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[ULTRA26 # 1]

"He has to have some sort of powerful backing to not only achieve the political success but to be able to take on the Clinton machine and hold his own."
Anti-American scum Soros
Steve,
Are you stating that those who support Obama are Anti-American?

[Steve 1]

Steve,
Are you stating that those who support Obama are Anti-American?
Reading skills are a wonderful thing!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
His book he wrote, and published in 1995.
Since you are so certain he's a muslim, just what Mosque does he attend Steve, since the age of 9.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

This is the type of attitude that made me crazy when I first came to the PRF. Those with differing views are not Anti-American. Everyone's right to have different a view is what makes this Country great. Suggesting otherwise is Anti-American.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Sen Obama has more confirmed nutty views than the inside of a Planter's processing plant. Why do you have to strain your credibility and go after him on this dubuois islamic inuendo? Esp when the christian church that he actually does belong to is a bunch of nuts, that no serious public servant would ever want to be affiliated with.
EXACTLY!
P.S. The phoney muslim charge actually helps Sen Obama, because it is not credible and it deflects attention away from the nutjobs that he actually does congregate with.
It also harms the credibility of the people who level the correct charges along with the whacko-ones.
The real points to worry about get dismissed because you look like a raving loon chasing a bunch of straw-men.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

EXACTLY!
It also harms the credibility of the people who level the correct charges along with the whacko-ones.
The real points to worry about get dismissed because you look like a raving loon chasing a bunch of straw-men.
Smokin, this must be a new record. I completely agree you

[eliminatedsprinter]

Steve,
Are you stating that those who support Obama are Anti-American?
I can't speak for Steve 1. However, some of those who support Senator Obama clearly are very anti-Americian and pro the likes of Castro and Hugo Chavez etc....Of course, that doesn't mean all of those who support him are that way. :)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I can't speak for Steve 1. However, some of those who support Senator Obama clearly are very anti-Americian and pro the likes of Castro and Hugo Chavez etc....Of course, that doesn't mean all of those who support him are that way. :)
Then wouldn't the same hold true for SOME who support Bush or anyone else?

[Schiada76]

I'm going to try the left wing nut job voting method in '08.
I will vote for Obama just becaue he's black.
Unless Hillery gets the nomination then I'm going to vote for her just because she's a woman.:220v:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

[QUOTE=Steve 1;2694816Anti-American scum Soros [/QUOTE]
Yes, soros is a bag, and supports Obama, because Hillary isn't loony enough for him.
Hollyweird is the same way.
Sorros IS anti-American Ultra, and a hypocrytical liar, since he promised he'd move to Canada after the last Bush election victory, swore to move IF Bush won.
Bush won, he's still here enjoying the bennies of living here rich as hell.
No, Obama's supporters are not necissarilly Anti-American, but when you look up the Anti-Americans (blind bush-haters, the global warming anti-capitolists, the "no war, ever, for any reason" sheep, the socialists/comunists/fascists, which party do they support?
You'll find some of their finest (democrat supporters every last one) at thecoast.org. Classic hatered of all things truly free, American, Individual, Republican, and even The Hildabeast since she isn't nearly lefty-enough due to her war stance.
The most viscious and hateful of the nuts.
blown's kindred spirits.
Know who is HOSTING/RUNNING the democrat's latest "summit" next weekend?
Soros and TheCoast.
Obama's popularity stems from his heavy involvement in typically liberal policies both as an attorney, and a legislator at the state level.
On returning to Chicago after law school, Obama:
directed a voter registration drive.
As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers,
discrimination claims,
voting rights cases.
In the Legislature:
creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit,
an expansion of early childhood education,
legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases
Also a pro-abortion vote history, mandatory for N.O.W. and Planned Parrenthood support.
All "Work for the poor, the downtrodden, and the needy".
So, Steve,
if Barrak Obama,
changes his name to Joe Leroy Smith,
and never sets foot in a Mosque since between the ages of 8 and 10,
is on his deathbed at age 97,
IS HE STILL A MUSLIM SINCE HE CANNOT ALTER HIS PARRENTAGE?

[eliminatedsprinter]

Then wouldn't the same hold true for SOME who support Bush or anyone else?
Absolutly.
It's just that the number of nutjobs who support Sen Obama is much greater. The far right David Duke type nutjobs have been marginalized to insignificance by both the left and the vast majority of the right. In todays left the story is far different. The far left, with the help of groups like Moveon.org etc, has usurped control over the Democratic party. Not many years ago extremists like Nancy Pelosi would not be givin leadership roles in the party, because of their whacky views (she would be sitting on the back bench with her idiological clones like Maxine Waters). Conversly, great social liberals, like Scoop Jackson or Danial Patrick Moynihan could not survive politically in todays Democratic Party. Sen Joe Lieberman has pretty much the exact same views on every issue (including national defense) as Sen Moynihan did and look at what the party just tried to do to him.:idea:

[Old Texan]

Absolutly.
It's just that the number of nutjobs who support Sen Obama is much greater. The far right David Duke type nutjobs have been marginalized to insignificance by both the left and the vast majority of the right. In todays left the story is far different. The far left, with the help of groups like Moveon.org etc, has usurped control over the Democratic party. Not many years ago extremists like Nancy Pelosi would not be givin leadership roles in the party, because of their whacky views (she would be sitting on the back bench with her idiological clones like Maxine Waters). Conversly, great social liberals, like Scoop Jackson or Danial Patrick Moynihan could not survive politically in todays Democratic Party. Sen Joe Lieberman has pretty much the exact same views on every issue (including national defense) as Sen Moynihan did and look at what the party just tried to do to him.:idea:
I agree completely. When special interest groups gain a foothold it isn't good for the country as a whole. The Moral Majority and the Southern Baptist Convention come to mind as groups trying to push their hard right views down our throats. To much Left or Right is not a direction we want to take.
This is exactly what Del Miller of GA talks about in his book, how the makeup and leadership of the Dem Party has changed to a point very unlike the party makeup of 20-30 years back. And it isn't a change that is good for the longterm strength of the country.
Soros is seeking some sort of revolution and has attracted a lot of wackos to push it along.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I agree completely. When special interest groups gain a foothold it isn't good for the country as a whole. The Moral Majority and the Southern Baptist Convention come to mind as groups trying to push their hard right views down our throats. To much Left or Right is not a direction we want to take.
This is exactly what Del Miller of GA talks about in his book, how the makeup and leadership of the Dem Party has changed to a point very unlike the party makeup of 20-30 years back. And it isn't a change that is good for the longterm strength of the country.
Soros is seeking some sort of revolution and has attracted a lot of wackos to push it along.
Tex,
I agree with much of the above

[eliminatedsprinter]

Tex,
I agree with much of the above
I agree with much of what Zel Miller says today, but I find his segregationist past very troubling (not to mention his time as chief of staff for Lester Maddox), to the point, that it makes me look hard at my own views just for aggreeing with him about anything. Oh well, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.:)
P.S. For those who are not history wonks, Lester Maddox was the Gov. of Georgia who's favorite bragg (for a while) was about how he used a pick handle to chase the blacks (he says protestors) out of his resturant and that he would close it before he would ever serve blacks.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I agree with much of what Zel Miller says today, but I find his segregationist past very troubling (not to mention his time as chief of staff for Lester Maddox), to the point, that it makes me look hard at my own views just for aggreeing with him about anything. Oh well, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.:)
P.S. For those who are not history wonks, Lester Maddox was the Gov. of Georgia who's favorite bragg (for a while) was about how he used a pick handle to chase the blacks (he says protestors) out of his resturant and that he would close it before he would ever serve blacks.
One of the problems as I see it is that party leaders from both sides are not what they were 20 or 30 years ago. Probabally because of my age I actually remember Maddox.

[eliminatedsprinter]

One of the problems as I see it is that party leaders from both sides are not what they were 20 or 30 years ago. Probabally because of my age I actually remember Maddox.
To be honest I would not want the Democratic party to go back to what it has been through most of it's past. I would not want it to go back to what it was when it was the party that supported slavery, or the party that was obstructionist and, most likely, intentionally worsened the depression, just to help get President Hoover out of office. I also would not want it to go back to the party of Jim Crow. But about 25 years ago, for a breif time, it was a bit better than it is today.

[Old Texan]

I agree with much of what Zel Miller says today, but I find his segregationist past very troubling (not to mention his time as chief of staff for Lester Maddox), to the point, that it makes me look hard at my own views just for aggreeing with him about anything. Oh well, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.:)
P.S. For those who are not history wonks, Lester Maddox was the Gov. of Georgia who's favorite bragg (for a while) was about how he used a pick handle to chase the blacks (he says protestors) out of his resturant and that he would close it before he would ever serve blacks.
"Just good old boys, never meanin' no harm........":devil:
It was definitely a different south back then. Though I didn't live there when Miller was Gov I was told he was far more progressive and forward thinking on race than Lester. Lester was from a much different time as was George Wallace and the fine Sen Byrd. A time that hopefully has passed for ever.

[eliminatedsprinter]

"Just good old boys, never meanin' no harm........":devil:
It was definitely a different south back then. Though I didn't live there when Miller was Gov I was told he was far more progressive and forward thinking on race than Lester. Lester was from a much different time as was George Wallace and the fine Sen Byrd. A time that hopefully has passed for ever.
Zel Miller ran on a segregationist platform when he unsuccessfully ran for the House of Reps in 1964 and 1966. Even then he was never as fervantly anti-black as stone racists like Lester Maddox and Robert (KKK) Byrd those two were hard core, even by 1950's and 60's southern standards. Of course, that is another creepy thing about todays nutty dems. They have put Byrd 3rd in line of succession for the presidency (right behind Pelosi). Ya gotta admit that putiing a K K Klansman there is nuts.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

"Just good old boys, never meanin' no harm........":devil:
It was definitely a different south back then. Though I didn't live there when Miller was Gov I was told he was far more progressive and forward thinking on race than Lester. Lester was from a much different time as was George Wallace and the fine Sen Byrd. A time that hopefully has passed for ever.
Amen!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

if Barrak Obama,
changes his name to Joe Leroy Smith,
and never sets foot in a Mosque since between the ages of 8 and 10,
is on his deathbed at age 97,
IS HE STILL A MUSLIM SINCE HE CANNOT ALTER HIS PARRENTAGE?[/B]
I'm still kinda wondering how Barrak Obama becomes Christian if 25+ years of attending Christian Church instead of Mosques on his own don't do it?
Even among the nuts of fascist Islam, you CAN renounce islam and become a Christian.
You have to be killed for it, BUT, you CAN DO IT!
An Afghani recently did it. (couple years ago is recent enough.)

[Steve 1]

SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
Tough call there But I would say NO!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
Steve,
This may not be your idea of Christian, but there is nothing Muslim about it. Are you one of those "if you don't believe as I do, you're going to hell" type of Christians? :confused:

[Steve 1]

Steve,
This may not be your idea of Christian, but there is nothing Muslim about it. Are you one of those "if you don't believe as I do, you're going to hell" type of Christians? :confused:
A couple things: Where did I mention Muslim???
Second Christ would be more likely to be found walking around inside Bents house than AT this homemade Racist Fag enabling so called Church.
NOW in closing.
Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, has gone many times on the record claiming that 911 was payback for White racism!
NOTE To date, Obama hasn’t refuted his pastor’s comments.
In his “autobiography,” Obama credits this terrorist sympathiser as the one responsible for his own conversion from Islam to “Christianity.”

[ULTRA26 # 1]

A couple things: Where did I mention Muslim???
Second Christ would be more likely to be found walking around inside Bents house than AT this homemade Racist Fag enabling so called Church.
NOW in closing.
Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, has gone many times on the record claiming that 911 was payback for White racism!
NOTE To date, Obama hasn’t refuted his pastor’s comments.
In his “autobiography,” Obama credits this terrorist sympathiser as the one responsible for his own conversion from Islam to “Christianity.”
couple things: Where did I mention Muslim???
Well Steve, here you go.
Then think about this, since I am dealing with people knowledgeable of Islam and the guy was a praticing Muslim for 27 years..
"Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims to further the cause"
Me not a word he says!!!!!!!
[/U]
Ok Well Duh!!!!!!!!!! A Muslim Father (you understand that right) determines the kid’s faith in Islam and Stepfather was a Muslim Plus The fact he was registered as a Muslim in a Muslim country when his dad was a Muslim Ultra if you do not understand the ramifications of this leave the debate you look foolish!
What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it Of course the good ole apostate thing will rear it’s head Then who knows? This guy is fair game!!
SS do you know what Church he attends?? I do not think there is a MORE Racist place in the entire country But being of color he can get away with it.
Since his father was a Muslim, that automatically makes him a Muslim according to Islamic teachings
That's where you are dead wrong Giggles WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM The RULES are VERY different??? Learn a little before making an Azz of yourself Leftie/Commie lite.
“He was registered as a Muslim because his FATHER was Muslim.”
In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim.
Muslim students at the school attended weekly religion lessons about Islam, taught by a Muslim.”
Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
IN closing Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America and the Western World.
What are you on?????? I suggest a change BTY where did I say Terrorist?? I said MUSLIM work on your reading.
LOL In your little pink world Candidates could be named Hitler, Stalin, Pol pot, Mao, Saddam, Osama and all would be VERY well so I understand that Hussein would not bother you either. Some Saddam fun videos here.
You need to give the pipe a rest.

[Steve 1]

Again the Ultra reading Problem rears its ignorant head again FYI we were talking about post # 73??
Now chuckles in #74 I Quoted yours and also my post THEN asked THE Magic question where ? now again (Key word here)Where in # 73 did I say Muslim???

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Again the Ultra reading Problem rears its ignorant head again FYI we were talking about post # 73??
Now chuckles in #74 I Quoted yours and also my post THEN asked THE Magic question where ? now again (Key word here)Where in # 73 did I say Muslim???
I guess you forgot your multi-post ramble, in another thread, about Obama being a Muslim. Now he's not a good enough Christian. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Which is it?

[Steve 1]

Here I do not want you confused anymore than you currently are THE POST in Question:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 1
SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
This is where it get's GOOD YOU in fact wrote MUSLIM not me!
Steve,
This may not be your idea of Christian, but there is nothing Muslim about it. Are you one of those "if you don't believe as I do, you're going to hell" type of Christians?
__________________

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Steve,
Simple Question
Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim. Make up your mind.
You're losing all credibility

[Steve 1]

I guess you forgot your multi-post ramble, in another thread, about Obama being a Muslim. Now he's not a good enough Christian. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Which is it?
Nincompoop that is NOT what YOU QUOTED!!

[Steve 1]

Steve,
Simple Question
Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim. Make up your mind.
You're losing all credibility
Better to be losing than have no NO NONE Ultra
CREDIBILITY

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Steve 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 1
Then think about this, since I am dealing with people knowledgeable of Islam and the guy was a praticing Muslim for 27 years..
"Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims to further the cause"
Me not a word he says!!!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 1
Ok Well Duh!!!!!!!!!! A Muslim Father (you understand that right) determines the kid’s faith in Islam and Stepfather was a Muslim Plus The fact he was registered as a Muslim in a Muslim country when his dad was a Muslim Ultra if you do not understand the ramifications of this leave the debate you look foolish!
What I said was simply declare himself a Christian and be done with it Of course the good ole apostate thing will rear it’s head Then who knows? This guy is fair game!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 1
SS do you know what Church he attends?? I do not think there is a MORE Racist place in the entire country But being of color he can get away with it.
Since his father was a Muslim, that automatically makes him a Muslim according to Islamic teachings
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 1
That's where you are dead wrong Giggles WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM The RULES are VERY different??? Learn a little before making an Azz of yourself Leftie/Commie lite.
“He was registered as a Muslim because his FATHER was Muslim.”
In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim.
Muslim students at the school attended weekly religion lessons about Islam, taught by a Muslim.”
Now show me WHERE EXACTLY Hussein expressed his Christian faith and AND rejected Islam after 31 years WHERE !!!
IN closing Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America and the Western World.
Quote
Originally Posted by Steve 1
SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
Tough call there But I would say NO!
Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim? Make up your mind.

[Steve 1]

Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim? Make up your mind.
That is not going to work!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Better to be losing than have no NO NONE Ultra
CREDIBILITY
Duh eh eh eh, What's up doc
That is not going to work!
Great answer Steve. Talking out of both sides of your mouth = Credibility Gone.
Enjoy your Sunday

[Steve 1]

Great answer Steve. Talking out of both sides of your mouth = Credibility Gone.
Enjoy your Sunday
Same back popcorn boy,
Talking out of both sides of your mouth = Credibility Gone

[Steve 1]

Now this was to SS's post #72
SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
Tough call there But I would say NO!
This was to you ultra weenie
NOW in closing.
Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, has gone many times on the record claiming that 911 was payback for White racism!
NOTE To date, Obama hasn’t refuted his pastor’s comments.
In his “autobiography,” Obama credits this terrorist sympathiser as the one responsible for his own conversion from Islam to “Christianity.”

[Steve 1]

But that Racebaiting club/church would provide ideal cover for a covert muslim.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Same back popcorn boy
:confused: :confused:
Is this supposed to mean something? Give it up Steve, you have already made a complete fool of youeself. You generally come across much smarther than this. Maybe too much hair of the dog this morning. Whatever the case, why don't you go back to bed and wake up and start this day over.
Later

[Steve 1]

:confused: :confused:
Is this supposed to mean something? Give it up Steve, you have already made a complete fool of youeself. You generally come across much smarther than this. Maybe too much hair of the dog this morning. Whatever the case, why don't you go back to bed and wake up and start this day over.
Later
NO I would say that was your failing .....being unable to read a post!

[Blown 472]

Now this was to SS's post #72
SS I guess it would depend on the "Church” Hussein attends.
"United Church of Christ, one of this country's most racially diverse and liberal Protestant denominations -- the first to ordain an openly gay minister and to call for equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender.
The UCC prides itself as being "out front" on social justice issues, battling civil rights, women's rights and gay rights ahead of the mainstream. One Sunday hymnal equally celebrates male and female images of God."
Tough call there But I would say NO!
This was to you ultra weenie
NOW in closing.
Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, has gone many times on the record claiming that 911 was payback for White racism!
NOTE To date, Obama hasn’t refuted his pastor’s comments.
In his “autobiography,” Obama credits this terrorist sympathiser as the one responsible for his own conversion from Islam to “Christianity.”
Stevo, did your mama finish ironing your white pointy hat so you can go to the ralley?

[Steve 1]

Stevo, did your mama finish ironing your white pointy hat so you can go to the ralley?
Bent the racists are in Husseins church.
BTW since you feel all races are equal and instantly compatible how about a few Stone Age cannibals moving in next to you??
You could bake some cookies to go with the meal. I would suggest gingerbread men keeping with the theme.

[Blown 472]

Bent the racists are in Husseins church.
BTW since you feel all races are equal and instantly compatible how about a few Stone Age cannibals moving in next to you??
You could bake some cookies to go with the meal. I would suggest gingerbread men keeping with the theme.
And you are not a racist???

[Moneypitt]

And you are not a racist???
How about a "United White college fund", or NAAWP.....If those were ever advertized the po po would hit the fan big time. But it is OK to have it the other way around???...............Blown, racisim is alive and well, but not where you normally look............MP

[ULTRA26 # 1]

And you are not a racist???
Blown,
I didn't realize that this was ths issue. Steve first suggested that Obama was a Muslim. From there Steve went to Obama's Christian church and Pastor aren't Christian enough. When I called this flip flop to Steve's attention, he refused to acknowledge it. I understand now, thanks.
How about a "United White college fund", or NAAWP.....If those were ever advertized the po po would hit the fan big time. But it is OK to have it the other way around???...............Blown, racisim is alive and well, but not where you normally look............MP
MP,
Racism is a way of life for some and not for others. Not sure how well it is. Reverse it and it's no better

[Steve 1]

And you are not a racist???
No it is YOU BENT who is the racist Here By hating us White people.

[Steve 1]

Blown,
I didn't realize that this was ths issue. Steve first suggested that Obama was a Muslim. From there Steve went to Obama's Christian church and Pastor aren't Christian enough. When I called this flip flop to Steve's attention, he refused to acknowledge it. I understand now, thanks.
MP,
Racism is a way of life for some and not for others. Not sure how well it is. Reverse it and it's no better
No flip I do not recall retracting that ?? Hussein is a closet Muslim and hanging out with the hate whitey group does not help since NONE of his ancesters were slaves..

[Blown 472]

No it is YOU BENT who is the racist Here By hating us White people.
Ah yeah. :rolleyes:
ho shit, almost forgot WHITE POWER

[Blown 472]

How about a "United White college fund", or NAAWP.....If those were ever advertized the po po would hit the fan big time. But it is OK to have it the other way around???...............Blown, racisim is alive and well, but not where you normally look............MP
I see it alot on here, any non white anglo saxon group is taboo.

[Steve 1]

Ah yeah. :rolleyes:
ho shit, almost forgot WHITE POWER
Same back to bent the Nazi.

[Blown 472]

No flip I do not recall retracting that ?? Hussein is a closet Muslim and hanging out with the hate whitey group does not help since NONE of his ancesters were slaves..
If they were slaves would that be better as your family might have owned them???

[Steve 1]

If they were slaves would that be better as your family might have owned them???
That would be your family bent !! My ancestors were in the 119th Pennsylvania regiment freeing them!!

[Blown 472]

That would be your family bent !! My ancestors were in the 119th Pennsylvania regiment freeing them!!
Then why do you hate minorities so much then?

[Steve 1]

Then why do you hate minorities so much then?
Why do you?

[Old Texan]

My take on this entire deal is that Steve believes Obama has Muslim roots and may in fact be a Muslim at heart. Not a practicing Muslim but a Muslim sympathizer for lack of a better desciption. Steve has also pointed out that being born into the religion he would in fact need to officially rescind his Muslim faith which he may or may not have done.
I quite frankly wouldn't wager either direction on the Muslim point outside of the fact he isn't a "practicing Muslim".
As far as his affiliation with the Church of Christ, he appears to at least claim membership. From all appearances Obama really seems a bit of "Man of Mystery" from many different angles. He just doesn't seem to possess the leadership qualities nor the type of values I would consider for the nation's highest office. If Soros is the one pushing his campaign I don't beleive it's good for the sort of America I've grown up with and love.
There's a lot of grey area in this campaign that needs to be clarified.

[Steve 1]

Bent if I took out Black and put White in what do you think??
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System

[Blown 472]

Why do you?
Answer the question dipshit, although we all know the answer.

[Steve 1]

What do you think Bent??
Judge blocked terrorized town's response to drugs, crime, violence caused by illegals
Even as Sen. Barack Obama found himself under fire from the Hillary Clinton campaign over what she called his "naive" intention to meet with leaders of countries hostile to the U.S., the presidential hopeful praised the recent court decision overturning one city's attempt to protect itself from hostile foreigners filling their streets with drugs, crime and gangs as "a victory for all Americans."
On Thursday, U.S. District Judge James Munley overturned Hazleton, Pa.'s "Illegal Immigration Relief Act" i

[Blown 472]

He just doesn't seem to possess the leadership qualities nor the type of values I would consider for the nation's highest office.
Huh, sounds like you are talking about gdumbya.

[Steve 1]

Answer the question dipshit, although we all know the answer.
Answer the question Bent dipshit, although we all know the answer you hate white people

[Blown 472]

Answer the question Bent dipshit, although we all know the answer you hate white people
You are boring.
I know you are but what am I, I know you are but what am I??? like talking to a 9 yr old, or a person who is inbread.

[Steve 1]

You are boring.
I know you are but what am I, I know you are but what am I??? like talking to a 9 yr old, or a person who is inbread.
like talking to a 9 yr old, or a person who is inbread. Gee I would bet you must hear that a lot LOL.

[Blown 472]

like talking to a 9 yr old, or a person who is inbread. Gee I would bet you must hear that a lot LOL.
you are so original, keep up the good work pinhead

[Steve 1]

You are boring.
I know you are but what am I, I know you are but what am I??? like talking to a 9 yr old, or a person who is inbread.
Oop's almost forgot.
I know you are but what am I??? Bent you are the classic NOBODY!!!!!!!!
.

[Blown 472]

Oop's almost forgot.
I know you are but what am I??? Bent you are the classic NOBODY!!!!!!!!
.
Now that is funny coming from a guy that quotes me and has no idea what it means.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

No flip I do not recall retracting that ?? Hussein is a closet Muslim and hanging out with the hate whitey group does not help since NONE of his ancesters were slaves..
BTW since you feel all races are equal and instantly compatible how about a few Stone Age cannibals moving in next to you??
Now Obama is a closet Muslim who hangs out with black racists. I can't wait to hear what next. Obama is a Stone Age Cannibal, maybe? (whatever the fock that means)

[Steve 1]

Now that is funny coming from a guy that quotes me and has no idea what it means.
That's funny coming from the King of the Jew haters what do you say ? Oh Kike cock sucking is that it??

[Steve 1]

Now Obama is a closet Muslim who hangs out with black racists. I can't wait to hear what next. Obama is a Stone Age Cannibal, maybe? (whatever the fock that means)
The guy belongs to a racist organization for one and the stone-age remark is in reference to the Bent mentality.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The guy belongs to a racist organization for one and the stone-age remark is in reference to the Bent mentality.
What racist organization is that? Obama is now a racist. I should of seen that one coming

[Steve 1]

What racist organization is that?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110010013

[Steve 1]

NOTE He is chummy with Farrakhan No less!!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110010013
In 1984, he traveled to Cuba to teach Christians about the value of nonviolent protest and to Libya to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, along with the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Wright said his visits implied no endorsement of their views. . . .
You're basing this on something that happened 23 years ago.
As I stated to you previously, if you don't support Obama's politics, then state your case. Trying to make your case based on Obama being a closet Muslim, your disapproval of his church, your disapproval of his Pastor have little to do with Obama's politics. It is similar to stating that Romney is a POS because he is a Mormon. There is little value in any such BS. At least Towndrunk was man enough to state that he didn't want a Negro in office in his lifetime. Racist, but at least honest.

[Steve 1]

In 1984, he traveled to Cuba to teach Christians about the value of nonviolent protest and to Libya to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, along with the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Wright said his visits implied no endorsement of their views. . . .
You're basing this on something that happened 23 years ago.
As I stated to you previously, if you don't support Obama's politics, then state your case. Trying to make your case based on Obama being a closet Muslim, your disapproval of his church, your disapproval of his Pastor have little to do with Obama's politics. It is similar to stating that Romney is a POS because he is a Mormon. There is little value in any such BS. At least Towndrunk was man enough to state that he didn't want a Negro in office in his lifetime. Racist, but at least honest.
Get off it chithead !

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Get off it chithead !
Because you said so? :idea: Naaaaaa, don't think so

[Steve 1]

Because you said so? :idea: Naaaaaa, don't think so
Barack Hussein Obama’s association with bigots and hate groups is Perfectally acceptable to Mr Leftie Ultra here

[Steve 1]

Because you said so? :idea: Naaaaaa, don't think so
The controversy over Obama's early Muslim education, Farrakhan said that, if anything, it should help rather than hurt the candidate.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Barack Hussein Obama’s association with bigots and hate groups is Perfectally acceptable to Mr Leftie Ultra here
Coming from the King of Bigot Haters, your comment is comical. Why not have a double and another line of Drano. It might help clear your head. :hammer2:
What am I thinking expecting you to be rational, you voted for Bush:2purples: :2purples:
Your up and I'm done :sleeping:

[Steve 1]

Coming from the King of Bigot Haters, your comment is comical. Why not have a double and another line of Drano. It might help clear your head. :hammer2:
What am I thinking expecting you to be rational, you voted for Bush:2purples: :2purples:
Your up and I'm done :sleeping:
Only a tried and true racist jackazz would say something like that ALSO you have NO facts to debate with as your research ability is very poor.
Here is some help with your life : NOW do the exact opposite of what that puny brain says and you may be right once in a while!! Later.

[Old Texan]

Coming from the King of Bigot Haters, your comment is comical. Why not have a double and another line of Drano. It might help clear your head. :hammer2:
What am I thinking expecting you to be rational, you voted for Bush:2purples: :2purples:
Your up and I'm done :sleeping:
At this point John I would like to hear your take on what and who Obama is and what he stands for. To get into the ongoing feud between Steve and Blown is quite futile at best.
Several facts seem to kepp surfacing that Obama has Muslim roots and he has asscociated himself with some rather racist characters, one being Louis Farrakan. These are associations that if verified or even remotely possible would most certainionly chase any other canditdate from the race on either ticket. Disturbing and puzzling don't you think?
Don't get all hung up on the forum rumble but concentrate instead on the topic, Obama and who he is and what he stands for. For someone of his rather mysterious past and quick ascent perhaps it would be a far more interesting subject than an obscession with Zionism or wherever the Blown "free thoughts" drift to I'd think?????

[ULTRA26 # 1]

At this point John I would like to hear your take on what and who Obama is and what he stands for. To get into the ongoing feud between Steve and Blown is quite futile at best.
Several facts seem to kepp surfacing that Obama has Muslim roots and he has asscociated himself with some rather racist characters, one being Louis Farrakan. These are associations that if verified or even remotely possible would most certainionly chase any other canditdate from the race on either ticket. Disturbing and puzzling don't you think?
Don't get all hung up on the forum rumble but concentrate instead on the topic, Obama and who he is and what he stands for. For someone of his rather mysterious past and quick ascent perhaps it would be a far more interesting subject than an obscession with Zionism or wherever the Blown "free thoughts" drift to I'd think?????
Why doesn't it surprise me that you look to me for info after Steve the loony plasters his garbage over numerous pages in the PRF.
Please see in bold above. Not facts if not verified.
Here is an ABC article in which Louis Farrakhan comments that Obama has distanced himself from black leaders and in which Farrakhan states that he hasn't made himself available to Obama. Obama is new to the scene so I have not developed an absolute opinion. I like some of his positions while others are bit far left for my taste. I like his stated position with regard to lobbyists and I like that fact that he is does not represent the Washington crowd. I don't believe that he is a closet Muslim nor do I believe that he represents the Nation of Islam. Beyond that there are many more issues about Obama that I haven't developed an opinion on
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953&page=1

[Blown 472]

Why doesn't it surprise me that you look to me for info after Steve the loony plasters his garbage over numerous pages in the PRF.
Here is an ABC article in which Louis Farrakhan comments that Obama has distanced himself from black leaders and in which Farrakhan states that he hasn't made himself available to Obama. Obama is new to the scene so I have not developed an absolute opinion. I like some of his positions while others are bit far left for my taste. I like his stated position with regard to lobbyists and I like that fact that he is does not represent the Washington crowd. I don't believe that he is a closet Muslim nor do I believe that represents the Nation of Islam. Beyond that there are many more issues about Obama that I haven't developed an opinion on
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953&page=1
Dude, dont waste your time with stevo he is the product of brother and sister love, this turd goes to his family reunion to pick up chicks.

[Blown 472]

Barack Hussein Obama’s association with bigots and hate groups is Perfectally acceptable to Mr Leftie Ultra here
And I am the great stevo, I hate niggers, wetbacks, and other non whites.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Dude, dont waste your time with stevo he is the product of brother and sister love, this turd goes to his family reunion to pick up chicks.
Seems like he hits the juice pretty hard. :D

[Steve 1]

And I am the great stevo, I hate niggers, wetbacks, and other non whites.
Strange you would say/Admit that Bent sounds exactly like your perverted corner of the universe.

[Steve 1]

Dude, dont waste your time with stevo he is the product of brother and sister love, this turd goes to his family reunion to pick up chicks.
Why in the Hell would you say that about yourself Bent BTW how is the flipper handed brother YOU have and your kid with the three eyes in the Lab Jar??

[Steve 1]

Seems like he hits the juice pretty hard. :D
Azzclown you could not count your balls and get the same answer twice..

[Old Texan]

Why doesn't it surprise me that you look to me for info after Steve the loony plasters his garbage over numerous pages in the PRF.
Please see in bold above. Not facts if not verified.
Here is an ABC article in which Louis Farrakhan comments that Obama has distanced himself from black leaders and in which Farrakhan states that he hasn't made himself available to Obama. Obama is new to the scene so I have not developed an absolute opinion. I like some of his positions while others are bit far left for my taste. I like his stated position with regard to lobbyists and I like that fact that he is does not represent the Washington crowd. I don't believe that he is a closet Muslim nor do I believe that he represents the Nation of Islam. Beyond that there are many more issues about Obama that I haven't developed an opinion on
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953&page=1
Just curious how you view Obama. Thanks for the opinion. He is definitely different from the rest of the DC bunch but I still have many reservations.
Steve has a lot of good contributions. Don't get reeled in by the ongoing feud.

[never_fast_enuf]

Steve,
Are you stating that those who support Obama are Anti-American?
He stated that SOROS is Anti-American. You took the leap of faith and extrapolated that to "anyone who supports Obama"
Do you understand who Soros is? Do you deny he is Anti-American??

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Just curious how you view Obama. Thanks for the opinion. He is definitely different from the rest of the DC bunch but I still have many reservations.
Steve has a lot of good contributions. Don't get reeled in by the ongoing feud.
Tex,
Ongoing feud with who? Anyone who disagrees with him who doesn't claim to be from the Right? I went back and forth with the guy yesterday, and this guy is a nut. I will take your word for it that Steve has a lot of good contributions, yesterdays's just weren't some of them.
I'm curious see to where the next election is headed. It's still very early

[Steve 1]

MARTIN BASHIR and EILEEN MURPHY ABC NEWS??
Ok !
"Farrakhan is not anti-white, Farrakhan is not anti-Semitic, Farrakhan is not anti-American, Farrakhan is not, not anti-gay," Farrakhan insisted. "Farrakhan is pro black, and believe me, I would be fool not to be pro the country in which I'm born and nurtured and have grown."
and the moon is made of green cheese.

[Blown 472]

Why in the Hell would you say that about yourself Bent BTW how is the flipper handed brother YOU have and your kid with the three eyes in the Lab Jar??
Steve, what does a window taste like?

[Steve 1]

Steve, what does a window taste like?
Bent what does being a complete failure in life FEEL feel like??

[Blown 472]

Bent what does being a complete failure in life FEEL feel like??
It feels like
you, you racist piece of shit.

[Steve 1]

It feels like
you, you racist piece of shit.
Only a racist Fag pussy would say that!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

But that Racebaiting club/church would provide ideal cover for a covert muslim.
I follow the train of thought on that Steve, but I just can't let you have it. He's been OPENLY proclaiming he is a Christian ever since AT LEAST his book publishing in 1995. It is in black & white in the book.
By that exact same token of logic, our own local Westboro Baptist Church would be just as good cover, not to mention WONDERFUL cover for closet gays.
WBC doesn't "race-bait (as far as I know), but EVERYTHING is "gay-baited". Absolutely everything dear Freddy Phelps does, to EVERYONE, is anti-gay.
That "church" is SO divisive, hateful, spiteful, dispicable, redically NUTS, that the only church members are also last-named "Phelps". Every one of them. They are officially the embarassment of Kansas.
Just what is the sourcing of his "27 years of being a Muslim" that you have accused? Where has he been attending Mosques. Ultra (Whom I disagree with often, notes I seldom make claims I cannot support, which gives his "gut-feeling emotion-based" claims absolute fits, and I also tend to respect sourcing valid, factual, information.
I'll demand only the same from you. WHAT/WHO/What Proof is there of his being a "closet Muslim". or is it just your "gut feeling Steve1?
I was too busy to be on last night, so I am playing "catch-up", nailing a lot of things, including blown, the universal hater who FINALLY dared open his foul yap in this one.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Stevo, did your mama finish ironing your white pointy hat so you can go to the ralley?
This little gem from the haterade MASTER who hates jews because they are, hates a president who professes his belief in a god, BECAUSE he professes a belief in a god, and so probably hates all god-believing christians because they believe in a god, yet is a full on supporter of people who believe in a god whose name is Allah and whose prophet is named Mohamed, especially if it gets jews killed.
Sees Steve MIGHT be outnumbered, and thinks he can pile-on.
Better go hide under daddy's skirts now blown, the free advice.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

As far as his affiliation with the Church of Christ, he appears to at least claim membership. From all appearances Obama really seems a bit of "Man of Mystery" from many different angles. He just doesn't seem to possess the leadership qualities nor the type of values I would consider for the nation's highest office. If Soros is the one pushing his campaign I don't beleive it's good for the sort of America I've grown up with and love.
There's a lot of grey area in this campaign that needs to be clarified.
That's a pretty good take on most of MY reasons for not wanting to see Obama in the #1 office Tex.

[Blown 472]

This little gem from the haterade MASTER who hates jews because they are, hates a president who professes his belief in a god, BECAUSE he professes a belief in a god, and so probably hates all god-believing christians because they believe in a god, yet is a full on supporter of people who believe in a god whose name is Allah and whose prophet is named Mohamed, especially if it gets jews killed.
Sees Steve MIGHT be outnumbered, and thinks he can pile-on.
Better go hide under daddy's skirts now blown, the free advice.
Bush used god to get dipshits like you to go along with him. Where did I say I support the killing of jews?
You going to answer my question? or still play chicken shit?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

What racist organization is that? Obama is now a racist. I should of seen that one coming
I'll back Steve up on this one Ultra, do some research on Obama's claimed Church afiliation.
You will find a lot, a lot which is inuendo, a lot which is accusation, a lot which looks damning, but has little to really support it.
Reminds me of other things.
There is also little to deny it, except different "interpretations" of the same sources of the damning "interpretations".
I've dug though a lot of what is said about the church, I have also dug thru the church's own site.
On the surface it seems decently reasonable, who knows what face is behind the make-up.
The official "10-point vision" of the church.
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
What those published statements mean, are wide open to interpretation, and INFINITELY arguable, to no real end.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Here's a site that seems to give a pretty good picture of BOTH SIDES of the TCC debate.
camelsnose (http://camelsnose.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/is-barack-obamas-trinity-church-racist/)

[Towndrunk]

I hear he is related to Jesse Jackson. I can just see the white house lawn on a sunday.:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I'll back Steve up on this one Ultra, do some research on Obama's claimed Church afiliation.
You will find a lot, a lot which is inuendo, a lot which is accusation, a lot which looks damning, but has little to really support it.
Reminds me of other things.
There is also little to deny it, except different "interpretations" of the same sources of the damning "interpretations".
I've dug though a lot of what is said about the church, I have also dug thru the church's own site.
On the surface it seems decently reasonable, who knows what face is behind the make-up.
The official "10-point vision" of the church.
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
What those published statements mean, are wide open to interpretation, and INFINITELY arguable, to no real end.
Smokin,
Back up Steve all you would like. The man is a disgrace to the politics you and so many here support. To me it's simple, you either support Obama's positions or you don't. You have been quite clear in this regard, as have many others. I respect your positions. What surprises me is how all of you stick together. I don't give a damn which side of the fence I am on, if Poster, YB CAstu came on here and acted as embarrassingly ignorant as Steve, I would be the first to get in their faces. The man is a mental case, and everyone knows it but noone says shit. Kinda wierd

[Blown 472]

Smokin,
Back up Steve all you would like. The man is a disgrace to the politics you and so many here support. To me it's simple, you either supoort Obama's positions or you don't. You have been quite clear in this regard, as have many others. I respect your positions. What surprizes me is how all of you stick together. I don't give a damn which side of the fence I am on, if Poster, YB CAstu came on here and acted as embarrasing ignorant as Steve, I would be the first to get in their faces. The man is a mental case, and everyone knows it but noone says shit.
They are lovers, both joined the army so they can see lots of nekked men.

[Steve 1]

They are lovers, both joined the army so they can see lots of nekked men.
You like nekked men???? SO A Mans hairy smelly asshole turns you on Bent??? I thought so !!You sound like a closet Fag Hell every other word out of your mouth is some preverted crap!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Weird, really f'n weird

[Steve 1]

Weird, really f'n weird
F'n Weird is in your mirror!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Please see in bold above. Not facts if not verified.
Verified facts ARE:
Father was Kenyan.
Mother was Athiest from Kansas.
Barak's parents SEPARATED when he was 2, divorced later.
Barak lived MOST of young life in Hawaii.
Mother remaried an Indonesian, apparently a Musim Indonesian.
Indonesia is not ENTIRELY Muslim, just as Turkey is not.
Barak lived 4 YEARS in Jakarta Indonesia attending public schools from age 6 to 10.
The remainder of his primary education was at Punahou school in Hawaii.
Then Occidental College, Columbia Univ., and Harvard Law school.
Barak's father died when Barak was 21, in Africa.
According to exerpts from his book I have heard, he claims to have split his schooling between muslim and christian schooling during his time in Indonesia. That is HIS PERSONAL CLAIM.
Supportable fact, (if you make me), he spent 1 year at a public school, which included instruction in Islam, and:
3 years at a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as Student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.
And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.
Not much of a "Madrassa".
It is also his own personal claim that religion was not a big deal in his household growing up, and that BOTH the quoran and the bible were seen in his household.
Ho hummmmmm........ More:
Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades.
At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.
The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Stanley Ann, at all.
Yes, his mother's name was STANLEY Ann, since her father was so desperate for a male child, and got her instead.
Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say.
His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled.
In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Coming from the King of Bigot Haters, your comment is comical.
Nope, wrong again. clown472 is the untouchable KING of haters, he just loves arab muslims because they hate jews as much as he does.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Steve's only real rip seems to be Mulims.
clown hates pretty much everyone except himself.

[Steve 1]

Nope, wrong again. clown472 is the untouchable KING of haters, he just loves arab muslims because they hate jews as much as he does.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Steve's only real rip seems to be Mulims.
clown hates pretty much everyone except himself.
True SS except when I was in Kuwait ,they are very much like us and I respect them.

[Blown 472]

Nope, wrong again. clown472 is the untouchable KING of haters, he just loves arab muslims because they hate jews as much as he does.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Steve's only real rip seems to be Mulims.
clown hates pretty much everyone except himself.
He does, you have this for fact or just more of you pie in the sky.
Going to answer my question??? or no?
Lemme ask you this, 20 yrs in the miltary correct me if I am wrong but dont they teach you not to think just follow orders?
And you really think that every a rab is out to kill americans?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

MARTIN BASHIR and EILEEN MURPHY ABC NEWS??
Ok !
"Farrakhan is not anti-white, Farrakhan is not anti-Semitic, Farrakhan is not anti-American, Farrakhan is not, not anti-gay," Farrakhan insisted. "Farrakhan is pro black, and believe me, I would be fool not to be pro the country in which I'm born and nurtured and have grown."
and the moon is made of green cheese.
But Louie has been on "The Mother Wheel", the alien space station that secretly orbits the earth and, while there, spoke personally to Elisha Mohammed, in 1985.
Louie F. said so himself in 1989, and repeatedly since.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Where did I say I support the killing of jews??
I'm not going to entertain the time to dig up those hundreds of posts, the regulars in here have seen tham all before.
Deny, deny, deny all the anti-jew hate threads you post blown, or just start deleting your entire history now.
You've been unmasked.

[Blown 472]

I'm not going to entertain the time to dig up those hundreds of posts, the regulars in here have seen tham all before.
Deny, deny, deny all the anti-jew hate threads you post blown, or just start deleting your entire history now.
You've been unmasked.
So this means I support the killing of them? you must be a wiz at math.

[Steve 1]

But Louie has been on "The Mother Wheel", the alien space station that secretly orbits the earth and, while there, spoke personally to Elisha Mohammed, in 1985.
Louie F. said so himself in 1989, and repeatedly since.
Calypso Louie!! Wait until the guy finds Jesus walking around his house (the house hate built)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

both joined the army so they can see lots of nekked men.
Once again, stupid fuk, I've never spent a single minuite in the U. S. Army.
And you have brought WHAT to the discussion of Barak Obama this week?
ULTRA, you just don't get it, do ya. I'll agree with you when I think you are right, and reasonable, I'll aggree with Steve when I think he is.
I'd agree with clown if HE EVER WAS right.
Haven't seen that one yet, and don't figure to live long enough.
Neat how you pay NO ATTENTION to my chastizing and disagreeing with Steve, yet want to note how we "Stick Together" when I DO agree with him on 1 thing against the dozen I have not.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

dont they teach you not to think just follow orders?
Join up clown and find out.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

True SS except when I was in Kuwait ,they are very much like us and I respect them.
Those are the dealings I have had with Kuwaitis, Omanis, Turks, and Iraqis. Mostly fine people, with some loose nuts among them that need tightened up.
Obama's "risk" to this country Steve is not from any "muslim" history traceable to his father, nor accused to him by the Hildabeast's mud-flinging crew, nor the rest of the internet, it is his desire to turn this country into yet another failed example of dear poserx's beloved "Socialist Utopia".

[Steve 1]

Those are the dealings I have had with Kuwaitis, Omanis, Turks, and Iraqis. Mostly fine people, with some loose nuts among them that need tightened up.
Obama's "risk" to this country Steve is not from any "muslim" history traceable to his father, nor accused to him by the Hildabeast's mud-flinging crew, nor the rest of the internet, it is his desire to turn this country into yet another failed example of dear poserx's beloved "Socialist Utopia".
See Cuba! Obama is the proverbial “Empty Suit” Lefty with the punish achievement mentality, A New age Communist where it is simpler JUST to take all the MONEY than the property with all the liabilities.
Why take the Industries/Businesses and try to run them profitably with the something for nothing-Bent commie mentality.. Just steal the Money under the guise of a Tax!!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Once again, stupid fuk, I've never spent a single minuite in the U. S. Army.
And you have brought WHAT to the discussion of Barak Obama this week?
ULTRA, you just don't get it, do ya. I'll agree with you when I think you are right, and reasonable, I'll aggree with Steve when I think he is.
I'd agree with clown if HE EVER WAS right.
Haven't seen that one yet, and don't figure to live long enough.
Neat how you pay NO ATTENTION to my chastizing and disagreeing with Steve, yet want to note how we "Stick Together" when I DO agree with him on 1 thing against the dozen I have not.
I have paid total and complete attention to you disagreeing with Steve with regard to the Obama Muslim issue. Your disagreemnt didn't come across as chastizing Steve, at all.
I'll back Steve up on this one Ultra, do some research on Obama's claimed Church afiliation.
:confused:
Verified facts ARE:
Father was Kenyan.
Mother was Athiest from Kansas.
Barak's parents SEPARATED when he was 2, divorced later.
Barak lived MOST of young life in Hawaii.
Mother remaried an Indonesian, apparently a Musim Indonesian.
Indonesia is not ENTIRELY Muslim, just as Turkey is not.
Barak lived 4 YEARS in Jakarta Indonesia attending public schools from age 6 to 10.
The remainder of his primary education was at Punahou school in Hawaii.
Then Occidental College, Columbia Univ., and Harvard Law school.
Barak's father died when Barak was 21, in Africa.
According to exerpts from his book I have heard, he claims to have split his schooling between muslim and christian schooling during his time in Indonesia. That is HIS PERSONAL CLAIM.
Supportable fact, (if you make me), he spent 1 year at a public school, which included instruction in Islam, and:
3 years at a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as Student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.
And the school described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.
Not much of a "Madrassa".
It is also his own personal claim that religion was not a big deal in his household growing up, and that BOTH the quoran and the bible were seen in his household.
Ho hummmmmm........ More:
Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through 3rd grades.
At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher. Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.
The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Stanley Ann, at all.
Yes, his mother's name was STANLEY Ann, since her father was so desperate for a male child, and got her instead.
Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say.
His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled.
In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as tigers and snakes.
I have paid total and complete attention to you disagreeing with Steve with regard to the Obama Muslim issue. Your disagreemnt didn't come across as chastizing Steve, at all.
That should leave little question as to him not being a Muslim or a closet Muslim.
Steve comes across as the most hateful person in the PRF. Maybe I should have referred to him as the "Queen of all Haters" :)

[Steve 1]

I have paid total and complete attention to you disagreeing with Steve with regard to the Obama Muslim issue. Your disagreemnt didn't come across as chastizing Steve, at all.
:confused:
That should leave little question as to him not being a Muslim or a closet Muslim.
Steve comes across as the most hateful person in the PRF. Maybe I should have referred to him as the "Queen of all Haters" :)
What in the HELL would you personally know Queen of cocksuckers about Muslims OLE CUM BreathTell me?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What in the HELL would you personally know Queen of cocksuckers about Muslims OLE CUM BreathTell me?
What?
Very clear and concise Steve.

[Steve 1]

What?
Very clear and concise Steve.
What?

[Steve 1]

I have paid total and complete attention to you disagreeing with Steve with regard to the Obama Muslim issue. Your disagreemnt didn't come across as chastizing Steve, at all.
:confused:
That should leave little question as to him not being a Muslim or a closet Muslim.
Steve comes across as the most hateful person in the PRF. Maybe I should have referred to him as the "Queen of all Haters" :)
What in the HELL would you personally know Queen of cocksuckers about Muslims OLE CUM BreathTell me?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What in the HELL would you personally know Queen of cocksuckers about Muslims OLE CUM BreathTell me?
Doesn't make any more sense in big red letters. Get some help Steve as you obviously really need it.

[Steve 1]

Doesn't make any more sense in big red letters. Get some help Steve as you obviously really need it.
What???????????

[Steve 1]

Doesn't make any more sense in big red letters. Get some help Steve as you obviously really need it.
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[Old Texan]

Must we????????

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Must we????????
:sleeping: