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SmokinLowriderSS
08-13-2007, 03:02 PM
Since it is blown's pet dream story, the 8 marines who he has already convicted in the Haditha "Masacre".
2 just had all charges dropped, late last week.
All over the news, the cbsnews.com version looks like this:
Corps Tosses All Charges Against Marines In Deaths Of 24 Iraqi Civilians
The decision to drop the charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt followed an earlier recommendation from Lt. Col. Paul Ware, a hearing officer.
"The government version is unsupported by independent evidence," Ware wrote. "To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary."
Ware said prosecution of Sharratt could set a "dangerous precedent that ... may encourage others to bear false witness against Marines as a tactic to erode public support of the Marine Corps and its mission in Iraq."
"Even more dangerous is the potential that a Marine may hesitate at the critical moment when facing the enemy," Ware said.
Capt. Randy W. Stone, 35, a battalion lawyer from Dunkirk, Md., was one of four officers charged with failing to adequately probe the killings.
"It is clear to me that any error of omission or commission by Capt. Stone does not warrant action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice," Lt. Gen. James Mattis wrote. Also "Stone's experience in this incident offers many hard learned lessons that I am confident will serve him well in the future,"
Mattis concluded Sharratt acted within the rules of engagement.
So, bottom line, while further investigation continues, 2 Article 32 investigative hearings (not Court Martials) have been dropped, because the accused did nothing wrong.
Some further details:
The basic charges:
Four enlisted Marines were initially charged with murder, and four officers were charged with failing to investigate.
Prosecutors dropped charges against one of the enlisted men, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz of Chicago, and gave him immunity to testify against his squad mates.
It is my personal suspicion they may not have had much on him, but tried to leverage him.
Apparently it hasn't worked out well.
The other enlisted Marine, Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum of Edmond, Okla., has attended a preliminary hearing, but no recommendation has been made.
That is 3 of the 4.
The 4th, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich of Meriden, Conn., who faces 18 counts of murder. He is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing Aug. 22.
Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani of Rangely, Colo., is the only other officer aside from Stone to attend an initial hearing, known as an Article 32 investigation.
2 officers still have not seen Art. 32 hearings yet.
I am apparently keeping a closer eye on this one than blown is. I was SURE he'd report the latest since he was sooooooooooo incensed at all 8 marines raping a 14-yr-old a year ago.
Guess the truth does not warrant coverage.
Innoscent untill proven guilty, still works most of the time.

Blown 472
08-13-2007, 04:12 PM
Horay for them, now hows bout them boys what raped that gurl, kilt her and set her on fire???

Steve 1
08-13-2007, 06:24 PM
Since it is blown's pet dream story, the 8 marines who he has already convicted in the Haditha "Masacre".
2 just had all charges dropped, late last week.
All over the news, the cbsnews.com version looks like this:
Corps Tosses All Charges Against Marines In Deaths Of 24 Iraqi Civilians
The decision to drop the charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt followed an earlier recommendation from Lt. Col. Paul Ware, a hearing officer.
"The government version is unsupported by independent evidence," Ware wrote. "To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary."
Ware said prosecution of Sharratt could set a "dangerous precedent that ... may encourage others to bear false witness against Marines as a tactic to erode public support of the Marine Corps and its mission in Iraq."
"Even more dangerous is the potential that a Marine may hesitate at the critical moment when facing the enemy," Ware said.
Capt. Randy W. Stone, 35, a battalion lawyer from Dunkirk, Md., was one of four officers charged with failing to adequately probe the killings.
"It is clear to me that any error of omission or commission by Capt. Stone does not warrant action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice," Lt. Gen. James Mattis wrote. Also "Stone's experience in this incident offers many hard learned lessons that I am confident will serve him well in the future,"
Mattis concluded Sharratt acted within the rules of engagement.
So, bottom line, while further investigation continues, 2 Article 32 investigative hearings (not Court Martials) have been dropped, because the accused did nothing wrong.
Some further details:
The basic charges:
Four enlisted Marines were initially charged with murder, and four officers were charged with failing to investigate.
Prosecutors dropped charges against one of the enlisted men, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz of Chicago, and gave him immunity to testify against his squad mates.
It is my personal suspicion they may not have had much on him, but tried to leverage him.
Apparently it hasn't worked out well.
The other enlisted Marine, Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum of Edmond, Okla., has attended a preliminary hearing, but no recommendation has been made.
That is 3 of the 4.
The 4th, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich of Meriden, Conn., who faces 18 counts of murder. He is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing Aug. 22.
Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani of Rangely, Colo., is the only other officer aside from Stone to attend an initial hearing, known as an Article 32 investigation.
2 officers still have not seen Art. 32 hearings yet.
I am apparently keeping a closer eye on this one than blown is. I was SURE he'd report the latest since he was sooooooooooo incensed at all 8 marines raping a 14-yr-old a year ago.
Guess the truth does not warrant coverage.
Innoscent untill proven guilty, still works most of the time.
Bent has it's own agenda quite simple actually:
America = Bad.
Human Filth of the Earth = Good.

never_fast_enuf
08-14-2007, 01:50 PM
Horay for them, now hows bout them boys what raped that gurl, kilt her and set her on fire???
No rape or fire...they just made her play the bag pipes after they kilted her. Now that isn't so bad, is it?

SmokinLowriderSS
08-24-2007, 06:06 PM
From my very own newspaper, read today, by ME, over my lunch break, Lance Corporal Steven Tatum's charges will also be dropped very shortly. Again, due to the extreme "weakness of the evidence" against him.
Clown's just pissed that she got the wear the same kilt he has, and he special ordered his so as to not buy "off the rack".

Blown 472
08-24-2007, 06:58 PM
From my very own newspaper, read today, by ME, over my lunch break, Lance Corporal Steven Tatum's charges will also be dropped very shortly. Again, due to the extreme "weakness of the evidence" against him.
Clown's just pissed that she got the wear the same kilt he has, and he special ordered his so as to not buy "off the rack".
God bless them boys. Now how do you tune each cylinder??

Steve 1
08-25-2007, 11:27 AM
God bless them boys. Now how do you tune each cylinder??
Yes God Bless them !That would be By the Plug readings and EGT's.

SmokinLowriderSS
08-25-2007, 11:53 AM
God bless them boys. Now how do you tune each cylinder??
What do you think this is, the TECH forum? :confused: :idea: :idea:
:rolleyes:

Blown 472
08-25-2007, 07:39 PM
What do you think this is, the TECH forum? :confused: :idea: :idea:
:rolleyes:
You dont answer in there either, must not have no idea what you are talking about.

'75 Miller
08-26-2007, 12:26 AM
You dont answer in there either, must not have no idea what you are talking about.
And yet again the pot calls the kettle black.
Oh yeah, this doesn't concern me so I should stfu, huh clownie?

Blown 472
08-26-2007, 06:30 AM
And yet again the pot calls the kettle black.
Oh yeah, this doesn't concern me so I should stfu, huh clownie?
Yup.

'75 Miller
08-26-2007, 10:39 AM
Yup.
Sorry, won't do it. If you want someone to answer your questions you must be willing to do the same. It's a two-way street, just like everything else in life.
You can badger Smokin' all you want, and I have no doubt you will. But until you're willing to reciprocate I doubt very many people are gonna take you seriously.

'75 Miller
08-26-2007, 10:42 AM
And by the way...I must thank you for the picture of good 'ol Dubya in your signature. Every time I see it I smile and remember that he crushed al gore's dreams of power and handed that stuffed shirt hypocrite john kerry his ass in 2004.
Thanks again....seriously.

Blown 472
08-26-2007, 11:18 AM
Sorry, won't do it. If you want someone to answer your questions you must be willing to do the same. It's a two-way street, just like everything else in life.
You can badger Smokin' all you want, and I have no doubt you will. But until you're willing to reciprocate I doubt very many people are gonna take you seriously.
what your fag questions

'75 Miller
08-26-2007, 12:50 PM
what your fag questions
My comments about your faggotry are just that.....comments. I don't think there's anything left to question.
No, I'm referring to everything else that is asked of you...questions about your America-bashing links, your wacked-out "political" views, etc. All of which you ignore, much like Smokin' has ignored your attempts to badger him.

ULTRA26 # 1
08-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Sorry, won't do it. If you want someone to answer your questions you must be willing to do the same. It's a two-way street, just like everything else in life.
You can badger Smokin' all you want, and I have no doubt you will. But until you're willing to reciprocate I doubt very many people are gonna take you seriously.
Smokin,
How ya going to tune each cylinder?

Blown 472
08-26-2007, 02:30 PM
My comments about your faggotry are just that.....comments. I don't think there's anything left to question.
No, I'm referring to everything else that is asked of you...questions about your America-bashing links, your wacked-out "political" views, etc. All of which you ignore, much like Smokin' has ignored your attempts to badger him.
Gee I just posted some on the other thread just last week, I am sure you are smart enough to find them

Blown 472
08-26-2007, 02:31 PM
My comments about your faggotry are just that.....comments. I don't think there's anything left to question.
No, I'm referring to everything else that is asked of you...questions about your America-bashing links, your wacked-out "political" views, etc. All of which you ignore, much like Smokin' has ignored your attempts to badger him.
No badgering, just want to know, since he is the tech guru, what with his desk top dyno and all.

never_fast_enuf
09-14-2007, 08:27 AM
No badgering, just want to know, since he is the tech guru, what with his desk top dyno and all.
What does that have to do with the fact that once again, your views were shown to be dead wrong and naive at best, anti American at worst?

Blown 472
09-14-2007, 02:24 PM
What does that have to do with the fact that once again, your views were shown to be dead wrong and naive at best, anti American at worst?
Why was this country founded??

eliminatedsprinter
09-14-2007, 02:39 PM
Why was this country founded??
The Committee of Five selected a fellow named Jefferson to write and the Continental Congress revised and approved the official answer to this question on July 4 1776. It is a bit too long to put here in a five minute post, but it is something you might want to read sometime.:rolleyes: ;)

Blown 472
09-14-2007, 03:26 PM
The Committee of Five selected a fellow named Jefferson to write and the Continental Congress revised and approved the official answer to this question on July 4 1776. It is a bit too long to put here in a five minute post, but it is something you might want to read sometime.:rolleyes: ;)
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about some people in here.

eliminatedsprinter
09-14-2007, 03:35 PM
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about some people in here.
To be honest, it is the type of thing we should all read and re-read every once and a while.

Schiada76
09-14-2007, 04:39 PM
Why was this country founded??
Taxation without representation is tyranny.:mad:
For starters.:D

never_fast_enuf
09-16-2007, 08:26 AM
Why was this country founded??
So people like me would be free to make fun of and point out just ignorant and insane people like you are.
Ain't it great?!