Sideboards in the Riviera

[Rattle Can Lou]

I like to show some of the progress so that amatuers don't feel so intimidated to try some of this on your own. This process is fairly simple and straightforward. First off it seems you would need 10' long plywood to do this, and you do. But you can go to a good cabinet shop and have them fingerjoint the wood for you to get your 10'. It cost me 150.00 for the plywood and that was all put together and the wood has a nice grain to it. It is also a very solid core with no voids. You cannot see the joint and it is strong. The battons on the bottom of the boat were not there. We made those and dowel pinned them in place and mixed up some dura glass and set them to the bottom. You trim the dura lgass with a knife as it is curing. I have the sideboards stting on the stands and I am putting two coats of resin on both sides. I am going to use a glue called EZ 100 and I'm gong to bond the sideboard to the upper and lower batton in the boat. I will use 9/16 ths staples to go through the 1/4 in plywood into the batton and I will let that dry good. I will finish it tomorrow I hope and I will take you through the finish.
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[fc-pilot]

Lou, this should be a nice little "How To" thread as long as others don't side track it. Thanks for taking the time to post it up. I am looking forward on seeing how you do all of this.
I saw you Saturday at Long Beach but did not stop to talk seeing that you were busy talking with some other people and I did not want to be rude and interrupt. I was hoping to run into you later, but I never saw you again. Oh well, maybe next time.
Paul

[lilrick]

You are one sexy biatch! And, your work is good too!! :D

[lilrick]

Lou, this should be a nice little "How To" thread as long as others don't side track it. Thanks for taking the time to post it up. I am looking forward on seeing how you do all of this.
Paul
oops ....

[Roaddogg 4040]

You are one sexy biatch! And, your work is good too!! :D
Thanks for jacking this "Do it your self thread"... Not all of us have a "Full on sponsored Race Boat" so we have to do these things ourselves...:D :D :D Carry on Mr. Lou, we need the help...:D :D
Steve

[Rattle Can Lou]

If you want the full Monty on this I will start from the begining. Cutting out the old ones should be done with a side cut off wheel. This gets there nice and close and leaves the least amount of clean up. Next step is to grind out all the old glass and get back to a nice clean surface to glass to again. Next step I took was get a plumb bob and hang it from the top gunnel rail to the floor. I hope this makes sense. I want the side board to be perpendicular to the upper rail. Mark the floor about every 4" so that when you lay the bottom rail in there it fits the top really well. These boats have rocker in the bottom so you won't be able to just lay a piece down there and have it fit. You will have to start grinding on the lower piece to give it a custom fit. I started with a piece that was 1" thick by about 2.5" tall. This is all done by grinding and fitting. This took me one night to accomplish both bottom rails. This is when I dowel pin fit them. I drilled down through the top of the rail with a 3/8ths drill bit. I went to Home Depot and bought dowel pins. I then set the bottom rail in on my line and marked my holes and drilled down about 3/4' into the bottom of the boat. I pushed the dowel pins into my rails and then mixed the dura glass up and spread it on the bottom of the rails and installed them. After the glass starts to cure you take a sharp knife and cut the excess off.
Make sure you keep the old sideboards as patterns for the new ones. It will really help the process go faster. We are in the process of putting two coats of resin on both sides of the sideboards and hopefully we can place them in the morning....RCL

[LeE ss13]

In every B-Boat I have owned, I noticed that the upper part of the side board had staples in it. Is that to leave it a little flexible? If the top and bottom were glassed in more solid, does that run the risk of blowing out the gunwale, (gunnel), when the bottom flexes? Just curious.

[Rattle Can Lou]

That's a great question. I don't know the answer. I am going to use the glue I talked about on the top and glass one strip along the bottom. I'm gonna use cloth and not mat. The glue will hold as well as the glass I would think. I would think that the staples are easier than glassing. But I would also think that they would expect the staples to hold their position and not move around. There are guys on here that are alot sharper than I am about this stuff. This would be a great place for Morg to chime in...he redid all this in his boat....

[V-DRV]

MORG??????ANYONE??????:confused:

[dmontzsta]

RCL is a wood working stud!:devil:

[rrrr]

You are one sexy biatch! And, your work is good too!! :D
LMAO! :D

[V-DRV]

RCL is a wood working stud!:devil:
I know where this is going!:rolleyes:

[Rattle Can Lou]

It's just like you jag off's to try and jack my thread...well I'm not goin to let it happen. Came in this morning and sanded the sideboards one more time. Also sanded the lower and upper rails for adhesion with the EZ100 glue. We then trial fit the boards to make sure that our fit was what we wanted. We then applied the glue and readied the staple gun. The glue is two part and comes from an air assisted applicator. Once the glue was applied we put the boards into place and stapled with 7/8ths in staple. We filled the bottom gap with glue and spread it with our fingers. This will give us a nice rounded edge to glass on. We are only going to glass the bottom edge and also on the front bulkhead. If the truth was known we wouldn't even have to glass the bottom. This glue is unreaal. But I think for the purists out there they would not be satisfied until they saw fibreglass on it. Here are the pics from today. Students, if you have any questins...I will answer them
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glue application
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left side board in.
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right side board in.
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[dmontzsta]

Good work :)

[V-DRV]

Sweeeeeeeeet!:d

[MAXIMUS]

[QUOTE=Rattle Can Lou;2733272]It's just like you jag off's to try and jack my thread...well I'm not goin to let it happen. Came in this morning and rubbed my sideboards one more time. Also massaged the lower and upper extremities for adhesion with the EZ100 glue. We then trial fit the individuals to make sure that our fit was what we wanted. We then applied the glue and readied the staple gun. The glue is two part and comes from very large applicator. Once the glue was applied we put the boards into place and stapled with 7/8ths in staple. We filled the bottom gap with glue and spread it with our fingers. This will give us a nice rounded ass to glass on. We are only going to glass the bottom edge and also on the front head. If the truth was known we wouldn't even have to glass the bottom. This glue is unreaal. But I think for the purists out there they would not be satisfied until they saw a glaze on it. Here are the pics from today. Students, if you have any questins...I will answer them
glue applicationhttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7886/planboz1.gif
Ok lue this is way off the topic!:rolleyes:

[Roaddogg 4040]

[QUOTE=Rattle Can Lou;2733272]It's just like you jag off's to try and jack my thread...well I'm not goin to let it happen. Came in this morning and rubbed my sideboards one more time. Also massaged the lower and upper extremities for adhesion with the EZ100 glue. We then trial fit the individuals to make sure that our fit was what we wanted. We then applied the glue and readied the staple gun. The glue is two part and comes from very large applicator. Once the glue was applied we put the boards into place and stapled with 7/8ths in staple. We filled the bottom gap with glue and spread it with our fingers. This will give us a nice rounded ass to glass on. We are only going to glass the bottom edge and also on the front head. If the truth was known we wouldn't even have to glass the bottom. This glue is unreaal. But I think for the purists out there they would not be satisfied until they saw a glaze on it. Here are the pics from today. Students, if you have any questins...I will answer them
glue applicationhttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7886/planboz1.gif
Ok lue this is way off the topic!:rolleyes:
I sure hope you boys have had your "SHOTS":D
Steve

[steve d]

.........Lou, consider this thread:
........................"JACKED"

[Morg]

Jacked is right.
I may be to late. I did pretty much the same thing with my deal.
Originally the tops of the panels had staples, but they were put in to hold the panel while the resin gluing it in dreid. I did the same when I installed my new panels. I got some mat real wet & mushed the panel in. Then used stainless screws to hold it in while he resin dried.
The bottoms of my panels were glassed in on the inside & outside. That is what I did with my new panels.
I was surprised to see my original panels were tight to the bottom of the boat.
My old panels were rotted out. They came out in pieces. I built templates with 1/4" hardboard & scribed them into the bottom. Just kept working them in until they matched the bottom perfectly. Then got 1/2"x10' marine plywood & cut out matching the template.
I also covered my new panels with veneer for the bling look.
Man it has been long enough that I almost miss doing glass work. It may be time to build another boat.:D :) :rolleyes: :D

[Rattle Can Lou]

Finished the sideboards today with the final install of glass cloth along the bottom and front edge. We taped off an area so the resin just wasnt all over the bottom. The new owner is going to flow coat the floor. I bought 3" fiberglass tape for this process. The reason you do that is because if you try to cut off of a bigger sheet it leaves stranded edges and it's impossible to make look right. This came out like a pro did it..and were not pro's..more like semi pros..or beginning pros.
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This concludes the tech article for now. Next week we will install a blown alky motor on a surfboard. Ship it to Billy for paint and take it to needles to run against the "Nut Nazi".

[fc-pilot]

Lou, this has been a cool thread. It is always fun to see what steps people take in doing these projects. Thanks for letting us in on this one.
Paul

[steve d]

Lou, this has been a cool thread. It is always fun to see what steps people take in doing these projects. Thanks for letting us in on this one.
Paul
I agree...................Keep it rollin Lou.............steve

[Roaddogg 4040]

I agree three, Lou... Thanks for the information, even thou it is from Semi Pro's...:D
Steve

[Sanger D]

hey lou, do you have to worry about the hull floor changing or putting it in a jig when the battons come out? and if it is an extremely light lay up, do you have to worry about the same and maybe the sides getting out of wack?..........I did that same thing with full 10 ft sheetsof tsome reg. lords of london marine ply with the boat still on the trailer and didnt think about the hull moveing or getting outta wack, hope nothing changed.

[Rattle Can Lou]

hey lou, do you have to worry about the hull floor changing or putting it in a jig when the battons come out? and if it is an extremely light lay up, do you have to worry about the same and maybe the sides getting out of wack?..........I did that same thing with full 10 ft sheetsof tsome reg. lords of london marine ply with the boat still on the trailer and didnt think about the hull moveing or getting outta wack, hope nothing changed.
The bottom is not gonna change with the removal of the sideboards. What you could be concerned with would be the ganwales or gunnels as I was raised to call them. I would say on a lite layup you could see these sag. What I would do in this case is build some supporst from the floor to the upper deck...just a couple of 1x2's would do the trick. Place them on the floor and clamp them to the inner gunnels. The other thing you don't want to do is lean over the sides to work on placing the sideboards in it. The weight of your fat ass could dip the upper deck and cause some deflection. Oh, you don't have a fat ass??? Well good for you Mr. Anorexia. Most of us are built like real men and carry an extra bit of weight. So I was broght up to not lean over the gunnels anyway...RCL

[Sanger D]

:D We did put new 1xs in the floor and top(like julian had made it and we did it INSIDE!!! without hangin over. the old boards were cut out and traced exactly and new ones glassed in, everyhting looks bitchen, just didnt think about sag or maybe twist in bottom, but I feel good about it know(my hero) after talking to you,......................I beleive in SANTA!!!!

[Rattle Can Lou]

I wasnt calling you personally a fat ass...just whoever in general was reading it...

[Schiada76]

Wouldn't one need a little loftier stature to be able to actually lean over a gunnel anyway?:idea:

[Sanger D]

Deffenatly no affence taken my chris kringle friend!!!!!:D , thank you for your time and info!

[V-DRV]

How is this project coming???????????:)

[Rattle Can Lou]

What difference does it make to you???

[V-DRV]

I know someone anxious to take delivery before it gets lost in the Christmas rush in Santa's workshop!:D