Hydraulic Place Diverter troubleshooting

[hotrod56cars]

I got a Mach 1 tunnel HUll with a hydraulic Place Diverter on it. The diverter isn't working, it doesn't do anything. I went to Place's website and I couldn't find any tech info on it, I also checked here on ***boat but I didn't see any threads pertaining to a totaly inop hydraulic diverter. I'm looking for any and all info that I can find on it. What type and weight of oil does it use? Does it require for air to be bled out of it? Etc.
Thanks!

[cave]

1st off you need 12 volts and a good ground. I've gone through 3 pumps and found that they dont like to sit idle. Lucky for me Bennett has a real good warranty program but for most the warranty is long gone.
Do you use a different switch? if yes then the diode may have gone bad. Banderlog, Rex Marine & Bergeron all make a better wiring setup to eliminate the diode. Its built in on most here is a pic below of Baderlogs version. I plan on getting one someday.
http://www.banderlog.com/products/powerRelays/diverterPowerRelay/images/withLabel.jpg
Mine stuck at the beginning of this season and I tapped gently on the servos and they have worked great all summer.
No need to bleed the system It does it on its own.
Here is MJ Thomas email at Bennett
MJThomas@bennetttrimtabs.com He helped me out big time.

[BAE_557]

Here is a pic below of Banderlogs version.
http://www.banderlog.com/products/powerRelays/diverterPowerRelay/images/withLabel.jpg
That is what I run for my hydraulic diverter, makes it very simple to connect.

[Danhercules]

Use ATF (Automatic Tranz Fluid)
Tap on the solinoids. Mine got stuck now and then too.

[Cas]

I also run the Banderlog Diverter relay, as said above, it works great and very easy to install.
As far as the Bennett pump goes, mine was leaking but not during operation, I was told I had to go thru Place to get any satisfaction. The pump was sent to them and they said nothing was wrong with it. I called Bennett directly about the leak my 20 yr old pump had and they sent me out a new set of seals free of charge. Excellent service.

[hotrod56cars]

Thanks!
Dexron or Mercon? or does it matter?
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[Danhercules]

The red stuff!!! :D
I dont think it matters.

[jetboatperformance]

Rod (Hot rod) Place Diverter products carry a limited guarantee and the good folks there are happy to help .Thier (Place) warranty protocol is to contact them or a dealer try to diagnose and then they will direct you accordingly as to how to proceed . Bennett will not sell or deal direct to the the public (although i have had them give me a solenoid once before). One problem I have occasionally encountered recently is "factory overtightened" solenoids(they need only be tightened to a "very light seat". If you'd like to call me when you get a chance I'll explain and help you trace & diagnose the problem your experiencing Tom 805 466 4719
BTW The Banderlog piece is a very good product! just my 02

[hotrod56cars]

Rod (Hot rod) Place Diverter products carry a limited guarantee and the good folks there are happy to help .Thier (Place) warranty protocol is to contact them or a dealer try to diagnose and then they will direct you accordingly as to how to proceed . Bennett will not sell or deal direct to the the public (although i have had them give me a solenoid once before). One problem I have occasionally encountered recently is "factory overtightened" solenoids(they need only be tightened to a "very light seat". If you'd like to call me when you get a chance I'll explain and help you trace & diagnose the problem your experiencing Tom 805 466 4719
BTW The Banderlog piece is a very good product! just my 02
Thanks Tom! I'll give you a call when I can get to it. :D

[MBlaster]

1st off you need 12 volts and a good ground.
I had trouble with mine till I got a good ground setup. I know its dumb but make sure your wiring is dialed in.

[Cas]

2 different deals Tom. Place has a limited warranty on what they've sold and has no reason to warranty an older unit. Bennett on the other hand is the manufacturer that knows the in's and outs of their product and are willing to help people on any unit with their name on it.
I just know that Place didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do anything and rightly so, they aren't Bennett pump rebuilders. Going directly to Bennett got me everything I needed and more.

[jetboatperformance]

Rod,
Check your PMs, just got off the phone with Tim Place.
Tom

[hotrod56cars]

I called Tom at Jet Boat Performance. We shared probably 8 phone calls between us, he'd tell me what to do, I'd do what he recomended, I'd call him back, he told me what to do next, etc... all of this free tech advice while Tom is trying to run a business was purely unexpected by me and way above and beyond Tom givng a fellow boater a hand. Long story short, we got it working! :D Tom you are a really cool person, a great help to me, and I owe you more than just the first round! :idea: :D
Thanks Tom!
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[Oldsquirt]

.............. Long story short, we got it working!...... [/B]
And the problem was ?????????????

[hotrod56cars]

And the problem was ?????????????
Honestly, I'm not sure! LMFAO :D
A combination of problems actually.
First the thing was low on fluid. Filled it up with ATF fluid. They now sell ATF fluid that works for both Mercon and Dexron 3, amazing.
Tom told me to loosen the solenoid's (I think that's what he called them, 4 round devices in the pump) up a little bit which I did but it still didn't work. They were extremely tight and required me to use both hands to loosen 3 out of the 4. Tom said they should be one hand "snug" tight.
Next it made a whining sound but nothing moved, so I disconnected the lines at the slave, put the lines in a bucket and operated the Diverter's switch to see if it pumped fluid out of the lines. It immediately pumped fluid out of the lines for "down" but took it several seconds to pump fluid out for "up".
Next I used my hands and moved the Diverter up and down (with a towel wrapped around it is better than the way I did it) and I saw light pink fluid shooting out of the hydraulic ram. I worked the hell out of the diverter by manually moving it up and down to get all that water/ATF mixture out of it. I hooked the lines back up to it and refilled the pump with fluid.
Diverter moved up but wouldn't move down. So Tom had me loosen up those 4 solenoids again and just like majic the Diverter started working.
I know that doesn't "read" like 8 phone calls, honestly I didn't count the calls, but there had to be at least 6 calls and you have to understand that I didn't/don't have a clue as to what in the hell I'm doing.
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[cave]

That's good news Hot Rod. I've heard many good things about Tom from 396 WTS. This is proof. Think I'm gunna copy this thread for future reference :D
This be some good wrenching info...

[airboater67]

I agree, Tom and his peeps have a good thing going. Very helpful and super nice people.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

That's good news Hot Rod. I've heard many good things about Tom from 396 WTS. This is proof. Think I'm gunna copy this thread for future reference :D
This be some good wrenching info...
Ill back that statement up all day long;) I plan on flying to cali within the next few months just to meet Tom and his great family. Tom takes time out of his busy schedule to help me and alot of my friends. The nice thing is that you dont have to spend $$ with him to get his help. He helps fellow boats out of passion;) :) Just ask Big Ern and Vinny.......
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