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Moneypitt
09-03-2007, 07:53 AM
NHRA's "big go", the Indy nationals, is on at 9AM PST, ESPN2..........Don't look for Force, DNQ........Also DNQ'd....W.J. (after 31 consecutive years), Doug Kalitta, JR Todd, Bazemore, Cruz, and a long list of others.......After the night session qualifing the daytime conditions make it almost impossible to break in to the top 16.......MP

RandyH
09-03-2007, 08:10 AM
What actually happens when these motors loose a cylinder? Is it an ignition thing? Nothing breaks? Fuel keeps blasting out the exhaust but no sparky? Just curious. thanks
RandyH

Moneypitt
09-03-2007, 08:25 AM
What actually happens when these motors loose a cylinder? Is it an ignition thing? Nothing breaks? Fuel keeps blasting out the exhaust but no sparky? Just curious. thanks
RandyH
I think it has to do with the excessive RPMs, (smoking the tires as an example, late clutch full engagement allowing the engine to over rev early in the run, having to "pedal" the car to re hook up....) that delivers too much fuel for the plugs, (2 per cylinder with the best possible ignition systems). These fuelers are burning unbelievable amounts of fuel in a good pass. That "tune up" is so close to the edge it doesn't take a lot to over fuel the engine......The blower doesn't know the cylinder isn't firing, so it just keeps adding to the problem and pushing fuel in and out of the cylinder(s).......I seem to remember the plugs being melted after a good run. At that time the excessive cylinder pressures are just dieseling along.......Just a few guesses, MP

Baja Big Dog
09-03-2007, 08:39 AM
Remember the Seinfeld episode when Kramer was gonna come up with the cologne that smelled like the beach...:idea:
Well IM gonna make an air freshener that smells like burning nitromethane, with a slight hint of burning rubber, you can either give the room a little squirt when the guys are doing burnouts, and a heavier dose when they leave the line!!! or have an automatic squirt-er (like in the crappers) that automatically gives a shot every 2-3 minutes...whadda think guys...ARE YOU BEHIND ME!!!:D
And side products would include the body oder and spilled stale beer sents!!!
You would never have to leave you couch on a sunday!!:jawdrop:

Pepperkornski
09-03-2007, 09:07 AM
Remember the Seinfeld episode when Kramer was gonna come up with the cologne that smelled like the beach...:idea:
Well IM gonna make an air freshener that smells like burning nitromethane, with a slight hint of burning rubber, you can either give the room a little squirt when the guys are doing burnouts, and a heavier dose when they leave the line!!! or have an automatic squirt-er (like in the crappers) that automatically gives a shot every 2-3 minutes...whadda think guys...ARE YOU BEHIND ME!!!:D
And side products would include the body oder and spilled stale beer sents!!!
You would never have to leave you couch on a sunday!!:jawdrop:
Behind You? not after your Jamablya Feed from yesterday!

Moneypitt
09-03-2007, 09:11 AM
Nothing like the smell of nitro in the morning..........MP

Baja Big Dog
09-03-2007, 09:11 AM
Behind You? not after your Jamablya Feed from yesterday!
Holy crap (pun) Im in need of some ICE CREAM in a hurry!!:D

Jbb
09-03-2007, 09:14 AM
What actually happens when these motors loose a cylinder? Is it an ignition thing? Nothing breaks? Fuel keeps blasting out the exhaust but no sparky? Just curious. thanks
RandyH
Some real cool facts about top fuel dragsters I stumbled across.....
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* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times the energy volume.
* The supercharger takes more power to drive than a stock hemi makes.
* Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.
* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F.
* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off its fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half.
* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.
* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's.
* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence.
Did you know …
… that the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 7,000 horsepower, about 37 times that of the average street car?
… that one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine?
… that the gasoline-powered engines of NHRA Pro Stock cars produce about 1,200 horsepower, about eight times that of the average street car?
… that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than .8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed?
… that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral?
… that an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously?
… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile?
… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run?
… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds?
… that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet?
… that from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car?
… that a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time?
… that the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps?
… that depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce?
… that the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles? Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles.
… that it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 7,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels?
… that it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run? This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run.
… that the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon?
Sources: NHRA Communications and Technical Departments, NHRA race teams, motorsports equipment manufacturers (and boostedpimp)
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Moneypitt
09-03-2007, 09:41 AM
John Smith tuned Jon Capps funny to run a 4.90. Racing the track as #16 qualifier against the #1 qualifer.........Sucker ran a 4.896, 4 thousanths faster!!!!!!!! And took out #1...........MP

Tequila-John
09-03-2007, 09:49 AM
lets do this!

RitcheyRch
09-03-2007, 09:49 AM
Watching the races now. Cheering for Jack Beckman and Larry Dixon.

Tequila-John
09-03-2007, 09:50 AM
Watching the races now. Cheering for Jack Beckman and Larry Dixon.
Me too bud!

Baja Big Dog
09-03-2007, 09:52 AM
OK race fans...heres one that you can win some beers with a the local bar full of drag racing fans, that think they know everything...
The question:How many times does the average fuel cars crankshaft turn during a run???
A----11,000
B----10,000
C----9000
D----750
Yep 750 times!!!
Do the math
9000 RPM, or 150 times a second, times 4.8 seconds and viola...
Thats 750 revolutions!!!
Of course your gonna get the guy that says, what about the burnout and idle time??? Yea lets say you triple the number, its still only 2250 revolutions!!

RitcheyRch
09-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Excellent.
Wonder if they going to do Pro Stock Bikes later. Will be cheering for Steve Johnson and Karen Stoffer in those races.
Me too bud!

Tequila-John
09-03-2007, 09:53 AM
Excellent.
Wonder if they going to do Pro Stock Bikes later. Will be cheering for Steve Johnson and Karen Stoffer in those races.
should be a great race day for sure

RitcheyRch
09-03-2007, 09:55 AM
Most definitely. The show on until noon and am sure is on again later.
should be a great race day for sure

Moneypitt
09-03-2007, 02:58 PM
4PM, ESPN2.........NHRA eliminations, continued from this morning..........But tape delayed for TV time...........MP