Manual Place Diverter vs. Hydraulic?

[Old Hawaiian Cruiser]

I have a 1976 21' Hawaiian mini daycruiser with a berkeley jet and it has a manual diverter. My question is....if I switched to a hydraulic system would I gain more up and down adjustment? Right now with the manual I don't seem to get the maximum adjustments up and down. It only travels about half of what it could. :confused:
Thanks,
OHC

[El Prosecutor]

I have a 1976 21' Hawaiian mini daycruiser with a berkeley jet and it has a manual diverter. My question is....if I switched to a hydraulic system would I gain more up and down adjustment? Right now with the manual I don't seem to get the maximum adjustments up and down. It only travels about half of what it could. :confused:
Thanks,
OHC
Stick with manual. The only downside is the bulk of the control. The travel is the same when adjusted properly, manual moves up and down quicker, you have positive stops at different angles, and simple=reliable. If you search on this topic you will find that a lot of guys have "upgraded" to hydraulic, then switched back to manual.

[MADDOG355]

I think so. It seemed like I did gain some travel when I went to the hydro unit.

[bp]

i've had a hydraulic diverter control ever since 1989, when i broke my last diverter handle. wouldn't have anything else. i have the steering wheel button on the southwind, and dash toggle on the cruiser. cruiser is too big to have a handle all the way down on the floor. ran a hydraulic control on my old 17' before i sold it 11 years ago.

[wet77]

I have a 1976 21' Hawaiian mini daycruiser with a berkeley jet and it has a manual diverter. My question is....if I switched to a hydraulic system would I gain more up and down adjustment? Right now with the manual I don't seem to get the maximum adjustments up and down. It only travels about half of what it could. :confused:
Thanks,
OHC
Try adjusting your cable, at the diverter and the handle
You should still get full range of trim no matter what type you run;)
I am using a manual and it works great, I think you can move the handle faster than waiting for a trim motor and when you lock it in a spot you know it will give you that same trim spot every time:devil:

[Rondane]

I am using a manual and it works great, I think you can move the handle faster than waiting for a trim motor and when you lock it in a spot you know it will give you that same trim spot every time:devil:
I dont get these guys with the manual diverter?? :confused: Kinda like droops pushing the ass of your boat down creating drag. :rolleyes:
Why dont you try moving that shifter when you doin 70ish and see how fast you can do it while you fighting all the pressure coming out the nozzle. Oh yea, try and not look down while your doing it. Just a thought.
Push button and still watch the crowd to see the initial reaction as your going by. :D Three seconds with no effort.
rondane

[sleekvino]

manual,its has less things to go wrong with it plus its like shifting gears in a car,its more fun i think and its not hard to put it in the right spot when your moving.

[OkieDave]

I prefer the manual because once you learn which notch is best for speed, you can tell at a glance if your right or not. with the hydraulic, you never really know exactly where it is because there's no positive lock or detent.:)

[Old Hawaiian Cruiser]

O.K. thanks for the responses so far guys.
It sounds like there are split opinions towards both man. and hyd.
Here is a little more info regarding my original question.
At the diverter nozzle end of my cable the helix fitting is maxed out on the threads, but....when I set the man. handle all the way down my bow still rides a little bit too high and it (pourposes) then if I try to trim it all the way up and shoot a rooster = The bow rises way too high and if it's coppy at all, I will cavitate the impeller. Oh yeah, and I don't have a very tall rooster at that when trimmed all the way up.
I have more room to adjust the nozzle down, but I haven't tried to adjust the cable at the handle end, in order to maximize the adjustment down on the nozzle. I'll give that a try and get back to you all.
In the mean time.... if you think of anything else that may help with my adjusing the manual cable for max. trim down at the bow, please let me know.
I do not have cav. plates, or a droop snoot or a ride plate either. Just a good old berk. w/ a place diverter nozzle. Pump was just rebuilt with an A-2 impeller, and yes before the rebuild it porpoused.:mad:
Thanks,
OHC

[wet77]

I dont get these guys with the manual diverter?? :confused: Kinda like droops pushing the ass of your boat down creating drag. :rolleyes:
Why dont you try moving that shifter when you doin 70ish and see how fast you can do it while you fighting all the pressure coming out the nozzle. Oh yea, try and not look down while your doing it. Just a thought.
Push button and still watch the crowd to see the initial reaction as your going by. :D Three seconds with no effort.
rondane
Rondane kiss my A$$:sqeyes:
You can come for a ride in my boat and I will show you how easy it is:eek:
And what are you doing lookin at the crowd when your supposed to be lookin where your going:confused:
P.S. Its hard to see the crowd at over 100mph:devil:
Old Hawaiian Cruiser do you have any pics of your boat? Pump?

[squirt'nmyload]

i had a hydraulic on my last boat and it was a love/hate relationship. when it worked, i loved it, when it didn't it sucked..especially if it was stuck in a shitty position. i now have a manual and have no problems. rondane, i never look down when i'm adjusting the handle, you can "feel" the sweet spot. i guess you would know that if you had a boat :D

[Old Hawaiian Cruiser]

Old Hawaiian Cruiser do you have any pics of your boat? Pump?
I'll try to get some tonight, boat is in the water, but i'll see what I can do.
OHC

[Some Kind Of Monster]

i guess you would know that if you had a boat :D
Ohhhhhhhh! lol
Manual is what I run. No pumps or bs that is going to break. I have never found it difficult to adjust at 70mph. Maybe its because I'm ripped. :eek:

[squirt'nmyload]

Ohhhhhhhh! lol
Manual is what I run. No pumps or bs that is going to break. I have never found it difficult to adjust at 70mph. Maybe its because I'm ripped. :eek:
when the boat itself runs.......oooooowwwwwwwwweeeeeeeee........you mean ripped as in drunk??????? :D :D

[Cas]

all this talk about speed and he's got a 21' Hawaiian mini day cruiser. I'd suggest driving a boat with a hydraulic diverter to see how you will like it. For me, I like the hydraulic much better. As mentioned above, a little movement with my thumb and it goes up and down. Adding the Banderlog diverter relay also made the up/down movement noticably faster.
I also have an open bow and would hate to have a handle in the walkway.

[1968Droptop]

I have a manual mounted on the stringer right below the wheel. Admittidly you must step over/around it to get in the seat, but once seated it's easy to use at any rpm. I never have to take my eye's off the water to know where my diverter is, and it's much faster reacting. I guess it depends on what you want out of your diverter ?
It maybe that your current cable is just stretched and tired ? I think a new cable properly adjusted will get your full travel back.

[OverKill]

when the boat itself runs.......oooooowwwwwwwwweeeeeeeee........you mean ripped as in drunk??????? :D :D
GEEEEZZZZ How many times do I have to say it. Phil Bergeron (480) 834-1531. I have hydraulic and love it. No problems with mine, and yes you do have more settings with hydraulic over manual. I believe it's 32 over 8.
OverKill

[Ralph Brunt]

i have 2 boats, one with the manual and the other with the hydrolic and i much prefer the hyd, the only problem is it is not reliable as someone had mentioned.

[cave]

Like mentioned before its a love hate relationship with a hydraulic. If the fluid is perfect and the selenoids are snug and the toggle is in good condition its great. I had the manual T handle but it was right in between my legs. After hitting a few nasty wakes and crushing my junk into the T handle I decided to go hydro:D
Mine was a strictly personal reason for going hydrolic but like I said before if its working its like butta. When its acting up i want to tear the stuff out. The banderlog is on my Xmass list along with another switch on the wheel.
Skom Ripped??? Nawwwwwww. Crashed in toon Yeeuup.:D :D :D

[XJBones]

http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photos/4/42106/124698/WTF-vi.gif
Hyd -vs.- man.... You would have thought someone brought up pro-life vs. pro-choicehttp://images22.fotki.com/v723/photos/4/42106/124698/249-vi.gif (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/temp/spam_crp/249.html). The debate could go on forever with both sides close mindedly thinking they were the only "right" ones.
My http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photos/4/42106/124698/twocents-vi.gif (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/temp/spam_crp/twocents.html): Go with what you like.
So much is made about the speed of man over hyd. My hyd goes from full down to full up in under 3 seconds. To slow for racing I'll admit, but for day cruisers and ski style boats it's fast enough.
With a trim gauge I don't need a "positive click" to hit that sweet spot. I have a mark on the gauge that tells me I'm there. I also have a GPS that shows me I've found it as well.
Hyd is more complex than manual and it's more expensive, but it's often easier to mount a switch at the helm than a man control lever. Not having a good place to mount the man control was the main reason I went to the hyd unit. It was a pain in the ass to mount the trim gauge stuff and the cost of the trim gauge and wheel switch is over priced from Place, but I'm glad I went hydro at this point. So far it's worked flawlessly, but who knows if I'll feel the same way in a few years when it has some age on it.
You have the manual system already on the boat. Why not replace the cable and see if it solves your adjustment problem. If it doesn't work out you still have the option of going hyd and selling the man control.
Bones
http://images25.fotki.com/v948/photos/4/42106/4263299/DSCN2654-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/misc/the-boat/dscn2654.html)http://images23.fotki.com/v868/photos/4/42106/4894386/DSCN2619-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/misc/rebuild/floor-and-stringers/dscn2619.html)
http://images24.fotki.com/v851/photos/4/42106/4894386/DSCN2624-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/misc/rebuild/floor-and-stringers/dscn2624.html)http://images24.fotki.com/v873/photos/4/42106/4894386/DSCN2623-vi.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/Bones/misc/rebuild/floor-and-stringers/dscn2622.html)

[Old Hawaiian Cruiser]

Thanks for your opinions guy's.
I didn't mention previously the cable is brand new and a couple of you responded "try replacing the cable". I am pulling the boat tonight and I will try to adjust the cable from the front to the back. I just don't have enough movement right now to go all the way down and all the way up? It's kind of in the middle. I need more down to brind the bow down for a smoother ride and for a better jet wash for skiers and wakeboarders, the problem is if I adjust the nozzle all of the way down and set the cable, when I manually shift the diverter all the way up I won't have any rooster tail. So this is why I ask the question if a hyd. has more "movement" up and down than a manual?
Sorry I didn't get any pic's yet, my son had an aweful wakeboarding accident and was in the hospital for 2 days. The board hit him in the forhead and gave him a concusion, then at the urgent care they gave him lidocaine to numb the wound before they stiched it and he either had a post concusion seisure or an allergic reaction to the lidocaine. He was ambulanced to childrens hospital and on and on, long story....It was the scariest thing I have ever gone through but he is home now and doing fine thank God.
Thanks,
OHC