300X BREAK IN PERIOD??

[ZSARGO]

OK. LET'S HAVE A SURVEY. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THESE THINGS TO CUT LOOSE. I HAVE 8 HOURS ON MINE AND STILL CAN'T GET IT ABOUVE 5200-5600 RPM. MANY FELLOW BOATERS HAVE TOLD ME 15 HOURS, SOME AS LITTLE AS 5 HRS (TOBY). I SPOKE WITH MERCURY RACING TODAY AND THEY SAID ABOUT 2 HOURS????? I KNOW I KNOW. I SHOULD BE PATIENT. PROBABLY 5 MINUTES AWAY. MERCURY TOLD ME I SHOULD TAKE IT BACK TO LAKELAND AND HAVE THEM TEST THE PERCENTAGE OF POWER. 70% OR 100% IS THE QUESTION I GUESS.

[XFactor]

Took me 2 hours to get over 5000rpm. At 4.5 hours they went to 6000rpm. At 5.5 hour I was at 6300. I haven't gone over 6300 and now have 15 hours on the motors. Can you post Mercury Racings telephone #. I would like to call and find out how I can get to 6800rpm's. Is anyone getting 6800. if so, what props?

[ZSARGO]

XFactor:
Took me 2 hours to get over 5000rpm. At 4.5 hours they went to 6000rpm. At 5.5 hour I was at 6300. I haven't gone over 6300 and now have 15 hours on the motors. Can you post Mercury Racings telephone #. I would like to call and find out how I can get to 6800rpm's. Is anyone getting 6800. if so, what props? ACTUALLY THE REV LIMITER IS SET AT 7100 RPM. WHAT PROP ARE YOU RUNNING AND WHAT SIZE IS YOUR BOAT.
HERE IS THE NUMBER FOR MERCURY RACING
United States
Racing Voice: 920-921-5330 Mercury Racing
N7480 County Road "UU"
Fond du Lac, WI 54935

[FASTERDAMITT]

Wow!
Lester, How was the water in the jacuzzi saturday? I heard you brought a turtle with ya to the pool! :D

[TOBTEK]

mine was about the same dealo as Jrockets....about two hours to get over 4500 and now at 7-8 hours im all of 7000. I was told that EVERY new 300x is different and will release at different times. But after 15 hours I would think it should have released by now. :confused: Maybe yours is just alot lighter than mine and working alot less to maintain the same speed wink

[ZSARGO]

TOBTEK:
mine was about the same dealo as Jrockets....about two hours to get over 4500 and now at 7-8 hours im all of 7000. I was told that EVERY new 300x is different and will release at different times. But after 15 hours I would think it should have released by now. :confused: Maybe yours is just alot lighter than mine and working alot less to maintain the same speed wink WEIGHT SHOULD NOT MATTER. YOU WANT THE MOTOR TO BE CLOSE TO THE LIMITER WHEN YOUR FOOT IS 100% IN TO THE THROTTLE. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PROP OUTBOARDS SO THE MOTOR CAN TURN THE PROP, IN OUR CASE, CLOSE TO 6800-7100 RPM OR YOUR PUTTING TO MUCH STRESS ON THE MOTOR.

[XFactor]

ZSARGO:
XFactor:
Took me 2 hours to get over 5000rpm. At 4.5 hours they went to 6000rpm. At 5.5 hour I was at 6300. I haven't gone over 6300 and now have 15 hours on the motors. Can you post Mercury Racings telephone #. I would like to call and find out how I can get to 6800rpm's. Is anyone getting 6800. if so, what props? ACTUALLY THE REV LIMITER IS SET AT 7100 RPM. WHAT PROP ARE YOU RUNNING AND WHAT SIZE IS YOUR BOAT.
I've got a DCB F26. Running 34x15 3 bladed cleavers. 6300rpms is the max so far.
HERE IS THE NUMBER FOR MERCURY RACING
United States
Racing Voice: 920-921-5330 Mercury Racing
N7480 County Road "UU"
Fond du Lac, WI 54935

[XFactor]

I've got a DCB F26. Running 34x15 3 bladed cleavers. 6300rpms is the max so far.

[ZSARGO]

XFactor:
I've got a DCB F26. Running 34x15 3 bladed cleavers. 6300rpms is the max so far. YOU MAY WANT TO PROP DOWN A LITTLE. COULD END UP GAINING A LITTLE MORE TOP END AND MID RANGE SHOULD IMPROVE. IF YOU RUN LET'S SAY 30'S AND THE ENGINE STILL WON'T TURN ABOVE 6300 RPM. THEN IT MAY BE AN ECU PROBLEM. I KNOW THAT MERCURY PUT OUT A BUNK SET OF 300X'S THAT WOULD NOT REV ABOVE THAT 6300 RANGE. I GUESS THEY CAN HOOK UP THE MOTORS COMPUTER AND SEE WHAT PERCENTAGE RANGE OF POWER THE BOATS ENGINE IS RUNNING AT (DREW???). LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

[HavasuBarney]

I'm pretty sure mine did not release until I had about 15 hrs. You have plenty of time to figure it out, just get on the water and burn some hours down. If you have access to a 24 pitch, it might be an easier break-in prop.
Once you get past 15 hrs, then you'll know something. I would not try to seek remedy until that time myself, other than a smaller pitched prop. :)

[ZSARGO]

HavasuBarney:
I'm pretty sure mine did not release until I had about 15 hrs. You have plenty of time to figure it out, just get on the water and burn some hours down. If you have access to a 24 pitch, it might be an easier break-in prop.
Once you get past 15 hrs, then you'll know something. I would not try to seek remedy until that time myself, other than a smaller pitched prop. :) THANKS BARNEY. I WILL TRY OUT A 24 PITCH PROP OLD WISE ONE. SEE YOU IN A BIT.

[HavasuBarney]

If after 15+ hours, if it has not released, then take it to Lakeland to test. You have the warrenty to back you up, so don't let it bother you. Your going to running as fast and hard as you want very soon! :)
Old wise one... :rolleyes: :D

[TOBTEK]

Hey les questiion for you. What is Cathy's position at lakeland marine?

[ZSARGO]

TOBTEK:
Hey les questiion for you. What is Cathy's position at lakeland marine? SHE IS ONE OF THE OWNERS I BELIEVE. VERY NICE LADY. YOU'LL REALLY LIKE EVERYONE AT THE SHOP. LOU HAS BEEN BUILDING FAST OUTBOARDS FOREVER. ARE YOU BUYING THE 300 PM AT LAKELAND.
[ April 15, 2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: ZSARGO ]

[TOBTEK]

Well ?????? My brothers called about three seconds after I saw that you knew of these being available. he got ahold of cathy on the phone and told him that it was $8500.00 (which sounds fair) even though it has a fleet gearcase not sportmaster. BUT, heres what is strange! when he called out there for info she said it was 8500.00 she didnt know him from adam and he never mentioned a trade of any kind. NOW, Richie is saying its $8500.00 with the 225 pm in trade. It does have one bad piston but it HAS TO BE worth more than zero dollars.....bro just has a strange vibe.

[HavasuDreamin']

TOBTEK:
Well ?????? My brothers called about three seconds after I saw that you knew of these being available. he got ahold of cathy on the phone and told him that it was $8500.00 (which sounds fair) even though it has a fleet gearcase not sportmaster. BUT, heres what is strange! when he called out there for info she said it was 8500.00 she didnt know him from adam and he never mentioned a trade of any kind. NOW, Richie is saying its $8500.00 with the 225 pm in trade. It does have one bad piston but it HAS TO BE worth more than zero dollars.....bro just has a strange vibe. Talk with Lew. Explain to Lew what the original quote was from Cathy (his wife I believe) and the second quote from Richie. See what Lew says.
Good Luck

[HavasuBarney]

I don't know if I would go around Richie, he is going to be the one to make the call.
Lew and Cathy are married but Richie is making those decision.
Try talking to Rich, explain the situation but I think your only causing problems over there playing Peter against Paul. Rich is a good guy and will do what he can to assist.
If it does not work out with Lakeland, I know where there's a 1998 300 w/sportmaster for $9250.
But try Lakeland again, if Rich is taking the calls about the motor, talk to Rich. :)

[TOBTEK]

HavasuBarney:
I don't know if I would go around Richie, he is going to be the one to make the call.
Lew and Cathy are married but Richie is making those decision.
Try talking to Rich, explain the situation but I think your only causing problems over there playing Peter against Paul. Rich is a good guy and will do what he can to assist.
If it does not work out with Lakeland, I know where there's a 1998 300 w/sportmaster for $9250.
But try Lakeland again, if Rich is taking the calls about the motor, talk to Rich. :) hey Barney how many hours are on that 98 motor?

[HavasuDreamin']

Well, Barney has better information than me. The only reason I said talk to Lew, is because I delt with Lew exclusively when I was a Lakeland Customer. I agree with Barney though, you don't want to play Peter against Paul. Good Luck Tob.
HD

[TOBTEK]

HavasuDreamin':
Well, Barney has better information than me. The only reason I said talk to Lew, is because I delt with Lew exclusively when I was a Lakeland Customer. I agree with Barney though, you don't want to play Peter against Paul. Good Luck Tob.
HD I agree with you guy's 100%....My brother just felt like they were trying to get his motor for free. We will see shortly :D

[HavasuBarney]

HD, I do know everybody in the shop really well and have been in the very spot Toby speaks of... :) It was not pleasent for anyone. I also agree that Lew is a great guy, he is also known to give those good-ole-boy discounts. That was cool when it was his shop, he has partners now though.
From experience, once you are dealing with Rich, stay with Rich. Sometimes he gets busy and may not realize how he comes across, I know because I'm guilty of the same, but he is a good guy and will treat you fair. If it seems like he was trying to make a buck off you, well that's why he was talking with you to start with, that's his job. :)
I don't mean to be a smart ass but Lakeland gets a ton of "if I could would you" calls from all over the world. They handle more 300's than anyone. If your really serious, take some cash and go cut the deal with them in person and I'll bet you wind up happy with a good motor. :)
Steal the trade? In a dealership? No that type of thing could never happen... :D
If you feel bad about giving them the motor for free and feel you must, I would always take it for free to help you out, just for you though :D

[ZSARGO]

HavasuBarney:
HD, I do know everybody in the shop really well and have been in the very spot Toby speaks of... :) It was not pleasent for anyone. I also agree that Lew is a great guy, he is also known to give those good-ole-boy discounts. That was cool when it was his shop, he has partners now though.
From experience, once you are dealing with Rich, stay with Rich. Sometimes he gets busy and may not realize how he comes across, I know because I'm guilty of the same, but he is a good guy and will treat you fair. If it seems like he was trying to make a buck off you, well that's why he was talking with you to start with, that's his job. :)
I don't mean to be a smart ass but Lakeland gets a ton of "if I could would you" calls from all over the world. They handle more 300's than anyone. If your really serious, take some cash and go cut the deal with them in person and I'll bet you wind up happy with a good motor. :)
Steal the trade? In a dealership? No that type of thing could never happen... :D
If you feel bad about giving them the motor for free and feel you must, I would always take it for free to help you out, just for you though :D FROM WHAT I SAW OF THE MOTORS THEY SEEMED PRETTY NEW. $8500 DOLLARS FOR A COMPLETE 300 PROMAX SEEMS A LITTLE CHEAP. NOW WITH THE TRADE IN OF A DAMAGED 225. WHAT'S IT WORTH? 3000-4000 GRAND. THAT SOUNDS MORE IN LINE. LIKE I SAID THEY ARE PRETTY FAIR PEOPLE. THEY ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. BUT THEY DON'T TRY AND RIP PEOPLE OFF. WHY DON'T YOU ASK THEM HOW MUCH YOU CAN BY THE MOTOR FOR WITHOUT A TRADE AND SELL THE OTHER MOTOR YOURSELF. I'M SURE THE OWNER OF THE MOTOR WANTS TO BLOW THEM OUT. HE IS SPENDING THE MONEY ON TWO NEW 300X'S.

[HavasuBarney]

You have email gentlemen! :)

[TOBTEK]

ok, so heres the latest. $8500.00 for the 300pm but only $1000.00 trade in value( nothing wrong with making a profit, but I think $1000.00 is low). plus rigging the new motor. The biggest issue at this point is the lower end selection. He has a choice of a torque master without a low water pick-up with LEFTHAND gearing :confused: OR a righthanded fleetmaster also without low water pick-up. They said all the oval racers use the left handed gearing, but what about getting prop's. Im sure its not a problem if you want to get new one's but finding used prop's would be a bitch I think. Question 2, what about external water pick-up on the transom..is this a good idea? doesnt anyone know of a 300pm with low hours, with a sportmaster and right hand gearing....come on wink :D oh yea...for cheap.

[Boatmaster]

Tob tell your brother I will call him today, I still have not heard back from my customer up north on his 300 :confused: . On another note are you still out for the BBSP next weekend? Are group leaves next Tuesday!!!!!! I can't wait, my shop has been swamped and I need the time off.

[HavasuDreamin']

Nothing against Lakeland........I know they are just trying to make a buck like everyone else...but I think your 225 gearcase is worth a $1,000 if it is in good condition, and your midsection/bracket assembly is probably worth another $1,000+ if in good condition. Your cowling is worth about $400 or so if in good condition. That is atleast $2,400, so I think you are correct in that the $1,000 trade in value is low.
I wouldn't go for the left hand gearcase. Props will be a pain in the a** to find and the only used ones seem to be guys running twins in which case they ususally want to sell the props as a set.
On another note........didn't Barney say that he has a line on a 300PM with a sportmaster gearcase?

[TOBTEK]

Boatmaster:
Tob tell your brother I will call him today, I still have not heard back from my customer up north on his 300 :confused: . On another note are you still out for the BBSP next weekend? Are group leaves next Tuesday!!!!!! I can't wait, my shop has been swamped and I need the time off. drew.....get ahold of that customer of yours, if you would stop playing on the internet for ten minutes.....jesssssssss :D :D J/K. Anything you could do would be great! This deal is REALLY bad, but it just isnt the hot setup either. The non sportmaster lower isnt that big of a deal but loosing the low water pickup and the lefthanded gearcase....I dont know, I think he needs to keep looking......HEY PETE wink

[ZSARGO]

ZSARGO:
OK. LET'S HAVE A SURVEY. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THESE THINGS TO CUT LOOSE. I HAVE 8 HOURS ON MINE AND STILL CAN'T GET IT ABOUVE 5200-5600 RPM. MANY FELLOW BOATERS HAVE TOLD ME 15 HOURS, SOME AS LITTLE AS 5 HRS (TOBY). I SPOKE WITH MERCURY RACING TODAY AND THEY SAID ABOUT 2 HOURS????? I KNOW I KNOW. I SHOULD BE PATIENT. PROBABLY 5 MINUTES AWAY. MERCURY TOLD ME I SHOULD TAKE IT BACK TO LAKELAND AND HAVE THEM TEST THE PERCENTAGE OF POWER. 70% OR 100% IS THE QUESTION I GUESS. THIS IS THE HOW LONG TO BREAK IN A 300X DISCUSSION, NOT FIND TOBY AN ENGINE DISCUSSION. J/K. TOBY GET NEXT WEEKEND OFF. DON'T YOU HAVE ANY VACATION TIME SAVED UP. MAYBE YOU CAN CATCH SARS OR SOMETHING. WHATEVER IT TAKES, GET YOU ASS DOWN TO THE BBSP.
[ April 18, 2003, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: ZSARGO ]

[TOBTEK]

ZSARGO:
ZSARGO:
OK. LET'S HAVE A SURVEY. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THESE THINGS TO CUT LOOSE. I HAVE 8 HOURS ON MINE AND STILL CAN'T GET IT ABOUVE 5200-5600 RPM. MANY FELLOW BOATERS HAVE TOLD ME 15 HOURS, SOME AS LITTLE AS 5 HRS (TOBY). I SPOKE WITH MERCURY RACING TODAY AND THEY SAID ABOUT 2 HOURS????? I KNOW I KNOW. I SHOULD BE PATIENT. PROBABLY 5 MINUTES AWAY. MERCURY TOLD ME I SHOULD TAKE IT BACK TO LAKELAND AND HAVE THEM TEST THE PERCENTAGE OF POWER. 70% OR 100% IS THE QUESTION I GUESS. THIS IS THE HOW LONG TO BREAK IN A 300X DISCUSSION, NOT FIND TOBY AN ENGINE DISCUSSION. J/K. TOBY GET NEXT WEEKEND OFF. DON'T YOU HAVE ANY VACATION TIME SAVED UP. MAYBE YOU CAN CATCH SARS OR SOMETHING. WHATEVER IT TAKES, GET YOU ASS DOWN TO THE BBSP. I would LOVE to go,But I cant go! Im not one to "dog" work in the name of fun. I kinda figure I need my job to pay for this stuff. Sorry for taking over your thread cry I heard your sensitive....J/K. any new info on your motor? getting the RPM's your looking for yet?

[ZSARGO]

OK. I HAVE 16 HOURS ON THE ENGINE NOW. MAX RPM IS 5200-5500. I MAY HAVE A FOULED SPARK PLUG PER RICHIE AT LAKELAND. DROPPED IT OFF WITH HIM YESTERDAY. THE FIRST TIME I HAD THE BOAT OUT, THE THROTTLE WAS STICKING AND WHEN I STARTED THE BOAT THE MOTOR HIT SOME HIGH RPMS IN NEUTRAL. LET'S HOPE I DIDN'T DO ANY DAMAGE. MERCURY REPLACED THE PARTS FOR ME THE FIRST TIME. THANK GOD FOR WARRANTIES. I SHOULD GET THE BOAT BACK NEXT WEEK, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM AND I CAN PUT THAT 26 BRAV0 ON THE REV LIMITER.
[ May 04, 2003, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: ZSARGO ]

[FASTERDAMITT]

LESTER, FIX YOUR AVATAR PLEASE!! YOUR MAKING ME NAUSEOUS !! BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR THE SWEAT STAIN ON MY SHORTS :D

[ZSARGO]

FASTERDAMITT:
LESTER, FIX YOUR AVATAR PLEASE!! YOUR MAKING ME NAUSEOUS !! BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR THE SWEAT STAIN ON MY SHORTS :D OK. IT'S FIXED. WELL AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE. THANKS FOR SAVING MY LIFE THE OTHER NIGHT. NO MORE SHOTS.

[MOPAR2YA]

Okay here is the window of oppurtunity. Tom, where's the pictures eek! :D

[ZSARGO]

MOPAR2YA:
Okay here is the window of oppurtunity. Tom, where's the pictures eek! :D SLEEP LITTLE BABY, DON'T SAY A WORD NAH NAH NA NAH NA NA NA. NO PICTURES.
[ May 04, 2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: ZSARGO ]

[MOPAR2YA]

Ok, no pictures for now :D
Have you heard from Lakeland yet :confused:

[ZSARGO]

MOPAR2YA:
Ok, no pictures for now :D
Have you heard from Lakeland yet :confused: THEY CHANGED OUT THE SPARK PLUGS. RAISED THE MOTOR A BIT. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. THEY SAID EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS PERFECT.COMPRESSION. ETC ETC.

[TOBTEK]

IM not implying that this is your problem, BUT before they built mine I heard something about a bad batch of 300x's that wouldnt rev correctley. Is there anyway to make sure your not in that series of motor with issues?
BTW LESS: my brother Jeff is out at Lakeland today picking up the lavey with a nice 300pm on the back...thanks for the tip on the used motor...And richie said dont worry about your lower end, my brother is using it for a few days off yours :D

[HavasuDreamin']

I am not trying to stir the pot either, but new plugs (which were apparently fine anyway) and moving the motor up a little higher doesn't seem like it will translate into another 1,600 RPM's (from 5,200 to 6,800).
Good Luck and keep us posted.

[ZSARGO]

TOBTEK:
IM not implying that this is your problem, BUT before they built mine I heard something about a bad batch of 300x's that wouldnt rev correctley. Is there anyway to make sure your not in that series of motor with issues?
BTW LESS: my brother Jeff is out at Lakeland today picking up the lavey with a nice 300pm on the back...thanks for the tip on the used motor...And richie said dont worry about your lower end, my brother is using it for a few days off yours :D sounds good to me. tell him to not set it on the back of the trailer like my buddies did last weekend. had to do a little filing.

[ZSARGO]

HavasuDreamin':
I am not trying to stir the pot either, but new plugs (which were apparently fine anyway) and moving the motor up a little higher doesn't seem like it will translate into another 1,600 RPM's (from 5,200 to 6,800).
Good Luck and keep us posted. IT HAD TWO FOULED PLUGS. SO I FIGURE I WAS DOWN ABOUT 30% ON POWER. IT FELT LIKE IT. ANYWAYS. I WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT RUNS ON MONDAY.

[MOPAR2YA]

Laszlo, hope everything is resolved on the RPM issue. what day are you goin out?
Do you want to drive a little further and go to Pleasant :D (Northwest of Phoeniz) I'm goin to AZ on Friday for a few days.

[MOPAR2YA]

Les, do you know when Mr. Gilligan's hatch is goin be done.