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[FuelInMyVeins82]

Heard there were some stout numbers ran in Bakersfield today. Congrats to all involved.

[MikeF]

New rides or new mods?
Who's got the beans?:devil:

[FuelInMyVeins82]

I heard that alot of UBFJ are running really strong. I'm sure they will tell the details when they get home but from what I've heard there were alot of 8.50 second and quicker passes.

[RUSSO]

STRIPPERS?? Good weekend at the races...509 Boys we gotta party again and thanks for EVERYTHING..

[Cs19]

The conditions were great for Sept. most everyone ran their best ever times.
John D won UBFJ running 8.0s, Sofa went 8.08 in qualifying, #270 daytona went 8.31 no nitrous, DJD went 8.44, Cyclone ran in the 8.5s, Sofa won 8.5 bracket, cyclone runnered up, blunder took 9.0 and went some tough rounds to get there. Mike D. raced for the first time and did real well, good lights and big numbers.. I was impressed. Widowmaker also ran for the first time and was dialed as well.

[djdtpr]

DJD went 8.66,
And then today i went 8.44 at 125.

[Cs19]

And then today i went 8.44 at 125.
Didnt see that one.. nice numbers!

[djdtpr]

Thanks to every one who helped me this weekend,AREK,Jason,Brian,Mike,Todd,Mark,Jeff,Steve ,Marty,Matty the drunk useless daralick and also thanks alot John D for the popoff and the other crap that i needed.Arek is gonna drop off a new pump for you and ill have Brian get some new hold down bolts to replace the ones i barrowed.Thanks to Mike Miller for advice on set up issues and tune up on the nitrous.

[Mrs.Racer277]

The conditions were great for Sept. most everyone ran their best ever times.
John D won UBFJ running 8.0s, Sofa went 8.08 in qualifying, #270 daytona went 8.31 no nitrous, DJD went 8.44, Cyclone ran in the 8.5s, Sofa won 8.5 bracket, cyclone runnered up, blunder took 9.0 and went some tough rounds to get there. Mike D. raced for the first time and did real well, good lights and big numbers.. I was impressed. Widowmaker also ran for the first time and was dialed as well.
Thanks for the update. Looks like a GREAT day of racing.

[Cs19]

Thanks for the update. Looks like a GREAT day of racing.
No problem and was a great weekend, lots of people from the boards up there spectating too.. On a sad note there was a TAF that crashed, last update i got was possible compund fracture in his leg but Ok otherwise. Crash was at half track. It was the Flat Hammered boat with the offset capsule.
There was another flat that was so on the edge on 2 different runs I couldnt even watch :eek:

[cyclone]

thanks to Jet4fun, CS19, Jack McClure, DNE, Widowmaker, Widowmaker's Dad, Steve Warrick, Ben Williams, Tom Bandy and everyone else that helped me out this weekend. All the testing and time spent under the boat paid off huge. ran 8.60's all weekend and got into the 8.50's once. i had a blast driving and learned a lot.
congrats to all the winners. time to go back to the river and relax.
this racing stuff is hard work.
i'm burnt and going to sleep.

[Bense468]

Good runs. Mike D ran I believe a (low) 8.20 something at 126 or 127. I was impressed with that boat for first time out with pop off issues. Good times. Wish I could remember.
Nutzzzzzz

[jweeks123]

jet circle boats were entertaining. hope they come back again.
jw

[widowmaker]

Just wanted to say thanks to all the guys in jet land on the island this weekend, especially Jack McClure, Cyclone, CS19, and all the guys that helped me get the boat down the track this weekend. Definitely learned alot for next time out. ran consistent 10.5's and a best of 10.40 at 99mph. C u guys next month

[Bobbo541]

No problem and was a great weekend, lots of people from the boards up there spectating too.. On a sad note there was a TAF that crashed, last update i got was possible compund fracture in his leg but Ok otherwise. Crash was at half track. It was the Flat Hammered boat with the offset capsule.
There was another flat that was so on the edge on 2 different runs I couldnt even watch :eek:
Hey Chris was that flat that you couldnt watch white and blue.

[Goad]

jet circle boats were entertaining. hope they come back again.
jw
Thanks!
We plan on coming back again. It was a great time for us.
Thanks for letting us come out there and stir up your water and kill a few ducks :D

[Cs19]

Hey Chris was that flat that you couldnt watch white and blue.
No but there was a white and blue one that was hangin' it out bigtime, looked bad ass and it pulled hard to halftrack but on the edge of disaster.

[Bobbo541]

The white w/ blue boat is my freind Kelly Black pgf and he does hang it out there alittle to much. Ive watched him run and i push down on my left foot because he lets it ride alittle to high.

[Mike D..]

Good runs. Mike D ran I believe a (low) 8.20 something at 126 or 127. I was impressed with that boat for first time out with pop off issues. Good times. Wish I could remember.
Nutzzzzzz
I have to say that it looks alot easier than it is, that rope can be an issue. towards the end of the day on saturday I was cutting .2 to.3 lights. that was good the best part of saturday, but we where fighting nos issues and popoff problems all day. Thank God being a JV guy John D and Mike Miller helped me and got my nos working for sunday:D .I have a lot of respect for all the guys on the rope now.
Special thanks to Greg Shoemaker who has supported me and set up a great riding boat I could never be there without his help. Thanks for all the help on the lights and the whole game. You are a true friend, You truely know what your doing with a Daytona. Not bad with a (19cp either) I guess or Gps is pretty close Hun Bud;)Thanks Bennet, Gascamp, Chapman,Costantino
Thanks John D and congrats great driving and great boat. John you where the best all weekend. Mike Miller and Steve Brule, Cory, Chris and Calye Thank you for all your help and I hope I am invited back into GOLD CUPs pits I had fun, even if I am flying dull colors right now. I think I had gold scared for a second or 2 on sunday in the semi:jawdrop: I never stood a chance
My best Pass on Sunday was my Buy pass in UBFJ and we ran a 8.15 @ 128.8 I believe. Boats going on a big diet
NJBA is a great organization am surely glad they are a round Thanks to all.

[Cs19]

The white w/ blue boat is my freind Kelly Black pgf and he does hang it out there alittle to much. Ive watched him run and i push down on my left foot because he lets it ride alittle to high.
I talked to him for a while on Sat., real nice guy and thats a bad ass boat. He was in the 8.5 class for a while, said he made some prop changes or something, whatever he did it works cause he was running 8.0s and it looked fast. He was hangin it but it looked like he knew what he was doing.

[pw_Tony]

Thanks!
We plan on coming back again. It was a great time for us.
Thanks for letting us come out there and stir up your water and kill a few ducks :D
Is each duck ten points?

[BUSBY]

sorry that I missed the action, I worked all weekend and I'm still beat ... first race I missed in years ... hopefully all of the trade shows can get their act together andnot schedule them on NJBA dates :D
congrats to all who ran those good numbers ...
thanks to Mike (cyclone) for representing So-Cal/Torco Race Fuels ... I appriciate it
Brian

[Pops@Aggressor]

Look's Like everyone had a good time. Nagore Called me Sat and Sunday Morning and said he ran a 4.01 1/8th and a 7.17 1/4 qtr. Looks like he is getting it worked to run 6.8 or 6.9s. hope he get's someone to look at the setup before Race day. Darren did a great job getting a bowl machined up and back on for the race in time. Van Horn called and gave me the Hap's @ San Diego and Tony did ok there also. Ron Pitts has one bad new runner in his new class boat as always a heads up guy that buys a product and then takes a year of looking it over before he trys it.
Sounds like most here have got the bug. Dry Doc's Regatta is this weekend sept. 22 @ La Paz County Campgrounds. 613-842-0898 if anyone is going to be @ Parker this weekend.

[RIVERTIME247]

I have to say that it looks alot easier than it is, that rope can be an issue. towards the end of the day on saturday I was cutting .2 to.3 lights. that was good the best part of saturday, but we where fighting nos issues and popoff problems all day. Thank God being a JV guy John D and Mike Miller helped me and got my nos working for sunday:D .I have a lot of respect for all the guys on the rope now.
Special thanks to Greg Shoemaker who has supported me and set up a great riding boat I could never be there without his help. Thanks for all the help on the lights and the whole game. You are a true friend, You truely know what your doing with a Daytona. Not bad with a (19cp either) I guess or Gps is pretty close Hun Bud;)Thanks Bennet, Gascamp, Chapman,Costantino
Thanks John D and congrats great driving and great boat. John you where the best all weekend. Mike Miller and Steve Brule, Cory, Chris and Calye Thank you for all your help and I hope I am invited back into GOLD CUPs pits I had fun, even if I am flying dull colors right now. I think I had gold scared for a second or 2 on sunday in the semi:jawdrop: I never stood a chance
My best Pass on Sunday was my Buy pass in UBFJ and we ran a 8.15 @ 128.8 I believe. Boats going on a big diet
NJBA is a great organization am surely glad they are a round Thanks to all.
nice job Mike well done ! putting up some good numbers for the aha crew congrats!

[Mrs.Racer277]

No problem and was a great weekend, lots of people from the boards up there spectating too.. On a sad note there was a TAF that crashed, last update i got was possible compund fracture in his leg but Ok otherwise. Crash was at half track. It was the Flat Hammered boat with the offset capsule.
There was another flat that was so on the edge on 2 different runs I couldnt even watch :eek:
Glad to hear it was only a leg fracture. Scary. :( Hope he heals quickly.
I hate those on the edge runs :eek: :eek:

[FuelInMyVeins82]

Nice job mike D those are some extremely stout numbers.
Congrats on win John

[McIntyrelocal]

hey congrats to everyone those are some good numbers, wish i could of been there, ive met a couple of u guys once or twice but im glad to see you guys pulling big numbers, hey mike d thanks for the headers i got from greg but what are they coated with because it already burnt off.

[TRG]

Tooooo much fun to list! cheers to all who ran their boats, you guys were haulin the mail fo sho! 509 crew,..what can i say???? Mi familia por vida!
...and i know i have to get some thicker walled innertubes for the 72' beach comber, cuz blow up doll patch kits are over rated! lol
Still hurtin' too!

[RUSSO]

Tooooo much fun to list! cheers to all who ran their boats, you guys were haulin the mail fo sho! 509 crew,..what can i say???? Mi familia por vida!
...and i know i have to get some thicker walled innertubes for the 72' beach comber, cuz blow up doll patch kits are over rated! lol
Still hurtin' too!
Thats funny!!!

[Johnwithjm]

We had a great weekend. I want to thank my guys Mike Miller the Gold cup leader, Steve Burle and Corey. I could not have done it with out you guys. Mike D you did a great job driving and ran some stout numbers you and Shoe are welcome in the Gold cup pit any time. Congrats to the Red Dragon on the win in the 8.5 class and the 8.08 in UBFJ and thanks for dinner Red leader:D . The 6th street boys did a good job and ran some good numbers for there first time out with the new boat. Good job DJD. All in all it was a great weekend I can not wait for October. Thanks again to everyone.

[cyclone]

We had a great weekend. I want to thank my guys Mike Miller the Gold cup leader, Steve Burle and Corey. I could not have done it with out you guys. Mike D you did a great job driving and ran some stout numbers you and Shoe are welcome in the Gold cup pit any time. Congrats to the Red Dragon on the win in the 8.5 class and the 8.08 in UBFJ and thanks for dinner Red leader:D . The 6th street boys did a good job and ran some good numbers for there first time out with the new boat. Good job DJD. All in all it was a great weekend I can not wait for October. Thanks again to everyone.
It's B-r-u-l-e...:)

[FuelInMyVeins82]

It's B-r-u-l-e...:)
Sounds like your sled is showing some nice improvements.

[MikeF]

Sounds like your sled is showing some nice improvements.
What's your mph Mike?

[MikeF]

...and i know i have to get some thicker walled innertubes for the 72' beach comber, cuz blow up doll patch kits are over rated! lol
Still hurtin' too!
:D
Wished I'da known you were going......would've rolled w/ you and the fam.:)

[Johnwithjm]

It's B-r-u-l-e...:)
Thanks it is W-I-N-N-E-R :D

[BUSBY]

What's your mph Mike?
I thnk it was 122 or 124? (and I heard it was unloading :eek: )

[MikeF]

I thnk it was 122 or 124? (and I heard it was unloading :eek: )
Damn!.......Who's got footage?
Dare I say that the old stuff works better than the new stuff (jus stirrin the pot):);)
Way to go for the seterupers!

[Johnwithjm]

I thnk it was 122 or 124? (and I heard it was unloading :eek: ) I think it was more in the 128 range.

[Mike D..]

hey congrats to everyone those are some good numbers, wish i could of been there, ive met a couple of u guys once or twice but im glad to see you guys pulling big numbers, hey mike d thanks for the headers i got from greg but what are they coated with because it already burnt off.
Straight from rewarder, Call gs and send them back to get recoated, I would think they would warranty them

[Cs19]

Sounds like your sled is showing some nice improvements.
I thought he ran well..Cyclone, what kind of times were turning when you first got the 999 back togethor? Youve come a long way since then, over 1/2 second? http://***boat.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[Blown 472]

The conditions were great for Sept. most everyone ran their best ever times.
John D won UBFJ running 8.0s, Sofa went 8.08 in qualifying, #270 daytona went 8.31 no nitrous, DJD went 8.44, Cyclone ran in the 8.5s, Sofa won 8.5 bracket, cyclone runnered up, blunder took 9.0 and went some tough rounds to get there. Mike D. raced for the first time and did real well, good lights and big numbers.. I was impressed. Widowmaker also ran for the first time and was dialed as well.
What mph are those et's at?

[Johnwithjm]

What mph are those et's at?
127-129mph

[TRG]

I was pretty stokked to see Frank lay down that pass with HB jr., but cannot remember who actually won or the stats!

[cyclone]

Sounds like your sled is showing some nice improvements.
CS got it movin in the right direction. It still needs work but we definately made huge gains over the last two test sessions. According to the computer, during the best pass it made the boat unloaded four times on the big end so there's more to be had if we can keep it hooked up all the way down the track. Im stoked for sure and looking forward to running under 8.50 without N2o at the next race...

[cyclone]

What's your mph Mike?
122 and change...

[cyclone]

Thanks it is W-I-N-N-E-R :D
its a good thing you had Dr.NOS and The Carb Whisperer helping out. :D

[cyclone]

Damn!.......Who's got footage?
Dare I say that the old stuff works better than the new stuff (jus stirrin the pot):);)
Way to go for the seterupers!
i've got some. no time to edit it tonight. maybe tomorrow night if i get some time.

[McIntyrelocal]

Straight from rewarder, Call gs and send them back to get recoated, I would think they would warranty them
its cool i was just wondering if they were jet coated or not, ive got a friend whos gonna coat for me. im not running any water to them so i thought they may have been powder coated cause it went so quick. thanks Mike im stoked for you with your boat.

[TRG]

I have quite abit of video, now i just have to figure out how to chop it up and get in on HB! lol this should be good!

[cyclone]

I thought he ran well..Cyclone, what kind of times were turning when you first got the 999 back togethor? Youve come a long way since then, over 1/2 second? http://***boat.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif
When we first put the new motor in we went 9.01. After the bottom work we went 8.83. The setup pump work you and jack did the last couple of weeks got us to 8.56 seconds. we've gained almost six mph since that first race and the boat isn't finished yet.

[Johnwithjm]

its a good thing you had Dr.NOS and The Carb Whisperer helping out. :D wait wait oh yes it is UBFJ a NOS class:D

[cyclone]

wait wait oh yes it is UBFJ a NOS class:D
thanks for that. i never would have known what all that extra plumbing was for.

[Blown 472]

127-129mph
Quarter mile?

[Bense468]

Quarter mile?
Yes 1320

[Bottle Fed]

who won bgj this weekend?

[djdtpr]

who won bgj this weekend?
Mr Tom Cress won it i think he ran like 8.20 @ 129 but it ran all weekend and went down the track every time.

[RICKYB]

Mike D. and GS those are some great #'s sounds like all the hard work is paying off congrats!see ya the next time around camp.

[djdtpr]

Where are the pics fom yhis season i looked on the NJBA website and there are no pics of the 07 season on it?

[Blown 472]

Yes 1320
Just a question, why dont the et's match the mph like on the drag strip for cars???

[Cs19]

Just a question, why dont the et's match the mph like on the drag strip for cars???
the numbers match dragboat racing perfectly, its a differnt deal than cars.

[Blown 472]

the numbers match dragboat racing perfectly, its a differnt deal than cars.
Then how does it work then? 8.50 sure isn't 125 mph on the road.

[sofa king smooth]

I run 8.50s and my average speed is around 116. Last weekend ran back to back 8.53s and both passes were 116. something. I also went 8.08 and my speed was 118. A lot of boats are quicker then they are fast.

[Blown 472]

I run 8.50s and my average speed is around 116. Last weekend ran back to back 8.53s and both passes were 116. something. I also went 8.08 and my speed was 118. A lot of boats are quicker then they are fast.
ok, thanks.

[BUSBY]

Then how does it work then? 8.50 sure isn't 125 mph on the road.
drag cars have transmissions and gears that will assist in higher MPH's ...
we have more drag with water that our asphalt counterparts ...
Comp Eliminator & B/Gas cars with an 8.50 index run in speeds of 150-160, our boats run 115-125 ...

[FuelInMyVeins82]

drag cars have transmissions and gears that will assist in higher MPH's ...
we have more drag with water that our asphalt counterparts ...
Comp Eliminator & B/Gas cars with an 8.50 index run in speeds of 150-160, our boats run 115-125 ...
Theres also the minor detail of the running start at the tree :eek:

[BUSBY]

Theres also the minor detail of the running start at the tree :eek:
yeah, but one would think that our speeds would be higher with the set back starting line ... wouldn't you think?
Plus, most boats are just taking their set by then ...

[FuelInMyVeins82]

yeah, but one would think that our speeds would be higher with the set back starting line ... wouldn't you think?
Plus, most boats are just taking their set by then ...
Thats a good point and I would have to agree unless the boat has stopped accelerating by then.
How did the show end up?

[BUSBY]

busy, super busy ... I was beat by the end

[HBjet]

Cars have tire slip. If they didn't they would have lower ET's at the MPH they run.

[HBjet]

drag cars have transmissions and gears that will assist in higher MPH's ...
we have more drag with water that our asphalt counterparts ...
Busby, hydros have gears and tranny's too. :D

[djdtpr]

Cars have tire slip. If they didn't they would have lower ET's at the MPH they run.
So do you think that a car has more tire slip than a boat has pump or prop cavitation? What if you let a car have a run at the lights and then see what it runs. There is a big difference breaking the beams from a dead stop and breaking them from a run.

[Bense468]

There is a big difference breaking the beams from a dead stop and breaking them from a run.
and fuel hydros and fuel cars prove it. 4.8 in a hydro but at 250 or 4.5 in a car but at 330.

[HBjet]

So do you think that a car has more tire slip than a boat has pump or prop cavitation? What if you let a car have a run at the lights and then see what it runs. There is a big difference breaking the beams from a dead stop and breaking them from a run.
Yeah, I think a car does have more slip then a prop or pump. I am not saying at any particular point, just the overall run verses a prop or pump which will cavitate at the beginning of their run as they get on plane. That is eliminated though with the distance you have from the rope to the start beam, so therefore during "the run" you should have very limited cavitation where as a car could have tire slip all the way down the track.
As for breaking the beams from a run verses a stop. I have to agree with Busdy, wouldn't a boats MPH be higher when you compare ET to ET?

[BUSBY]

Busby, hydros have gears and tranny's too. :D
really? thanks for letting me know :D
That's why I didn't get into the whole direct drives in jets ... because of the hydros & flats using transmissions and gears ...
the second sentence of my post about drag from water is true ...
and our running start isn't really a big running start, as I said, most boats are just taking a set just before the lights ... as I said most boats ... or should I say most racers ... some people have figured out a way to get a faster MPH through the lights :D ... but your rt becomes less consistant ... sometimes it's worth it though. :idea:

[HBjet]

and fuel hydros and fuel cars prove it. 4.8 in a hydro but at 250 or 4.5 in a car but at 330.
Ah, you might want to check your theory
Dead Stop Start = 4.5 ET / 330MPH
Rolling Start = 4.8 ET / 250MPH
So the boat with a rolling start is only 3 tenths slower in ET but 80 mph slower in speed? How is that, they had the rolling start so shouldn't the MPH be a lot closer to the dead stop MPH if not faster?

[BUSBY]

As for breaking the beams from a run verses a stop. I have to agree with Busdy, wouldn't a boats MPH be higher when you compare ET to ET?
that's where the drag comes in ... it's easier to roll something than push it through water ...

[HBjet]

really? thanks for letting me know :D
Anytime bud! :)

[HBjet]

that's where the drag comes in ... it's easier to roll something than push it through water ...
I agree with that. A cars 4 tires (sometimes 2 or 3) have a lot less contact to the ground verses a hull to water. But that doesn't explain the MPH increase for a car that has the same ET as a boat. I do not believe the answer is the start for a boat. Tire slip on the cars side is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[djdtpr]

Yeah, I think a car does have more slip then a prop or pump. I am not saying at any particular point, just the overall run verses a prop or pump which will cavitate at the beginning of their run as they get on plane. That is eliminated though with the distance you have from the rope to the start beam, so therefore during "the run" you should have very limited cavitation where as a car could have tire slip all the way down the track.
As for breaking the beams from a run verses a stop. I have to agree with Busdy, wouldn't a boats MPH be higher when you compare ET to ET?
Have you ever watched a video of the tires on a car when they take off? Do you know why they have the white line on a rear tire of a car? Why would a car spin the tires the whole way down the track? I ran a car at the track years ago and trust me we didnt have tire spin and nor did we want it.
I think it would be interesting to see what the mph is on a boat if you leave from a dead stop at the beam. Also what if you could shift a boat like a car at half track when they are starting to kind of level off and im talking about jet boats. If say a boat runs 8.0 at 125 and a car runs 8.0 at 165 then where is the sliping at now?

[Bense468]

Ah, you might want to check your theory
Dead Stop Start = 4.5 ET / 330MPH
Rolling Start = 4.8 ET / 250MPH
So the boat with a rolling start is only 3 tenths slower in ET but 80 mph slower in speed? How is that, they had the rolling start so shouldn't the MPH be a lot closer to the dead stop MPH if not faster?
The boat hooks up harder from lights to 660. Its had the short run to elim prop slip, and its hooked up. Check out the slow cam on the wheels of the drag car. How many times do they go round n round before that car leaves.
Boat has more resistints. The car is driving on 2 back wheels only

[Bense468]

Have you ever watched a video of the tires on a car when they take off? Do you know why they have the white line on a rear tire of a car? Why would a car spin the tires the whole way down the track? I ran a car at the track years ago and trust me we didnt have tire spin and nor did we want it.
I think it would be interesting to see what the mph is on a boat if you leave from a dead stop at the beam.
Or a funny car had a run at it. What would the et be?

[HBjet]

Have you ever watched a video of the tires on a car when they take off? Do you know why they have the white line on a rear tire of a car? Why would a car spin the tires the whole way down the track? I ran a car at the track years ago and trust me we didnt have tire spin and nor did we want it.
I think it would be interesting to see what the mph is on a boat if you leave from a dead stop at the beam. Also what if you could shift a boat like a car at half track when they are starting to kind of level off and im talking about jet boats. If say a boat runs 8.0 at 125 and a car runs 8.0 at 165 then where is the sliping at now?
I am not saying the tires are smoking or just spinning out of control down the track. What I am saying is with the amount of power being applied to the tires which are sticky, slick, and hot to get the most traction, they are still not 100 percent slip free from a run down the track. You are taking 2 flat surfaces with huge power and expecting they are going to be slip free like gears. Never. Yeah, our cars and trucks drive down the road and we mash the gas and the tires hold up. Sure, but when you have the amount of power a drag car does, how can you be certain that for every inch of track there is an equal inch of tire being used with no slip?

[HBjet]

The boat hooks up harder from lights to 660. Its had the short run to elim prop slip, and its hooked up. Check out the slow cam on the wheels of the drag car. How many times do they go round n round before that car leaves.
Boat has more resistints. The car is driving on 2 back wheels only
Ok, riddle me this then...
A boat hooks up harder, has the rolling start, and more resistance then a car which driving on 2 back wheels. Why is the MPH still slower for the boat with equal ET to the car?

[Bense468]

Ok, riddle me this then...
A boat hooks up harder, has the rolling start, and more resistance then a car which driving on 2 back wheels. Why is the MPH still slower for the boat with equal ET to the car?
How much mph does your jetboat gain from 660 to the 1320? how about the car? Your outta gear. You may still be pulling, but not by a whole lot. Those tires grow a foot down that track changing that gear ratio of that car. Not only that but less running surface

[HBjet]

How much mph does your jetboat gain from 660 to the 1320? how about the car? Your outta gear. You may still be pulling, but not by a whole lot. Those tires grow a foot down that track changing that gear ratio of that car. Not only that but less running surface
Still same ET and more MPH... why? All the disadvantages a boat has and all of the advantages a car has, but the car isn't any quicker, just faster.
So the tires grow, changes the ratio giving the car an advantage, but still isn't quicker, just faster where the MPH is measured.... Hmmmm (tire slip):)

[Bense468]

Alright randy. Take an 8.0 car and an 8.0 boat. They mph whatever they mph at. Now give that car a 75 ft run at before triping the tree? Is that 8.0 car still going to be an 8.0 car? NO
Now if you took an 10.0 car, but gave it a run at the lights would it run an in the 8's? maybe..with a mph slightly above what the boat would run.

[HBjet]

How much mph does your jetboat gain from 660 to the 1320? how about the car? Your outta gear. You may still be pulling, but not by a whole lot.
Lets stay with your original example of the fuel hydro and fuel car. Both have gears and both pull through the track. Still the same results. Same ET and different MPH by a lot.

[HBjet]

Alright randy. Take an 8.0 car and an 8.0 boat. They mph whatever they mph at. Now give that car a 75 ft run at before triping the tree? Is that 8.0 car still going to be an 8.0 car? NO.
No, but you have to make sure the car starts in the same mannor as a boat. When a boat breaks the start beam at 75ft it isn't even close to the speed at a car would be at 75ft. Because a boat can't be at the same speed as a car in the first 75ft, they start back from the start beam so they can eliminate getting on plane and hooked up. Something a car never has to face.
Now if you took an 10.0 car, but gave it a run at the lights would it run an in the 8's? maybe..with a mph slightly above what the boat would run.
Hard to say - Let me know how the test goes. :D

[McIntyrelocal]

if a boat runs an 8.50 at 125 and a car runs an8.50 at 165 a boat leaving from a dead stop that ran an 8.50 with a runnig start would probably only run what a car ran that ran at 125 mph which is probably a 9.50 mor so. my opinion the boats whole advantage is its already moving once it hits the lites, we have an injected fuel nostalgia dragster that runs 6.70s at 210 mph if we got a running start it would probably run 1/3 quicker e/t but it will only go as fast as the gear it has will let it with out over reving the motor. thats my 2 cents not that you asked for it.

[sdpm]

Congrats Big John D. on your win. Looks like your running real good. Now if all of you guys in that class can keep Jerry H. and Mike M. out of that class it looks like it will be very competitive with alot of boats. Looks like a fun class. Again congrats. Good job.;)

[cyclone]

i think you need to leave a jet boat out of the equation.
comparing the hydro to the fuel car is a good one.
the hydro has to get out of the water first and on plane before it really starts gaining momentum.
so the boat can't just move forward, its gots to go upward at the same time in order to go forward.
I think a car that spins the tires a small amount at the starting line will build momentum faster than the boat will even with a running start at the line.
now add in all the drag from the hull and running gear contacting the water and you've got another reason why the car mph more than the boat.

[McIntyrelocal]

i think you need to leave a jet boat out of the equation.
comparing the hydro to the fuel car is a good one.
the hydro has to get out of the water first and on plane before it really starts gaining momentum.
so the boat can't just move forward, its gots to go upward at the same time in order to go forward.
I think a car that spins the tires a small amount at the starting line will build momentum faster than the boat will even with a running start at the line.
now add in all the drag from the hull and running gear contacting the water and you've got another reason why the car mph more than the boat.
im comparing the numbers not cars or boats ,yes boats have way more drag and are at a huge disadvantage, so really there is no comparison at all, but even with drag cars when you shallow stage you get a better e/t because the car is moving and has momentum before the beams,if you deepstage you e/t is slower because your at the beams quicker than the car is reacting compaired to shallow staging but when you do shallow stage you reaction time is sloweer.

[McIntyrelocal]

these are pictures of pictures ,i dont have any on the computer or my camera right now.

[HBjet]

now add in all the drag from the hull and running gear contacting the water and you've got another reason why the car mph more than the boat.
With all of that drag, why do you think the ET's are still the same, or similar, when the MPH is so different?
I think everyone is looking at the boat as the one with the issue and not the car. I believe they both contribute to this difference.
Tire guru's, if a drag car tire (rear) has no slip as it accelerates down the track (minus the first several feet of the start) why do you see tire marks about half the length of the track? I mean, if the tire wasn't slipping when it makes contact with the track, what else would cause a tire mark?

[Red Rocket]

You have not mentioned the fact that cars run a clutch designed to slip in a controlled manner to about half track or so. The cars aren't really one to one until that point and the tires have grown changing the gear ratio. Also if you look at just 60' foot times cars run .880 or so, if you give them that head start you can knock their ET down into the 3's quite easily.

[McIntyrelocal]

its all about the head start if you had a car that ran 8.50s from a dead stop it would runprobably a 7.00 or something with a running start, and as far as the clutch is concerned its locked up is the first30-40 feet, in some apps. depending on how aggressive its locked up allmost amediatly.

[Johnwithjm]

Congrats Big John D. on your win. Looks like your running real good. Now if all of you guys in that class can keep Jerry H. and Mike M. out of that class it looks like it will be very competitive with alot of boats. Looks like a fun class. Again congrats. Good job.;)Thanks Neil. How did you do in SD?

[ski rat]

its all about the head start if you had a car that ran 8.50s from a dead stop it would runprobably a 7.00 or something with a running start, and as far as the clutch is concerned its locked up is the first30-40 feet, in some apps. depending on how aggressive its locked up allmost amediatly.
I agree it's the running start. just thought I would throw in a time slip of my car and my son's JR. dragster just to stir it up. Note: JR. dragster runs 1/8 mile with a 5 HP lawn mower engine:jawdrop:
60' =1.287
330'=3.693
1/8=5.701 MPH=119.69
1000'=7.433
1/4=8.904 MPH=156.23
same engine in our jet boat ran 90 MPH :idea:
JR. dragster
60'=1.949
330'=5.594
1/8=8.895 MPH=72.85

[Bense468]

You have not mentioned the fact that cars run a clutch designed to slip in a controlled manner to about half track or so. The cars aren't really one to one until that point and the tires have grown changing the gear ratio. Also if you look at just 60' foot times cars run .880 or so, if you give them that head start you can knock their ET down into the 3's quite easily.
This and
ts all about the head start if you had a car that ran 8.50s from a dead stop it would runprobably a 7.00 or something with a running start, and as far as the clutch is concerned its locked up is the first30-40 feet, in some apps. depending on how aggressive its locked up allmost amediatly.
this...is what I was getting at.

[cyclone]

not to jack this fine already-jacked thread but...anyone got some pics from the races at Bako??

[77charger]

not to jack this fine already-jacked thread but...anyone got some pics from the races at Bako??
check with mark mclaughlin!

[djdtpr]

not to jack this fine already-jacked thread but...anyone got some pics from the races at Bako??
I already asked this question and also if there is a website we can go to to look at the pics from last weekend.
Sometimes a tire doesnt have to spin to leave marks specialy on a treated track. Like i said earlier let a fuel car have a running start at the lights and see what they run for an ET. Even a pro stock car would run a substantialy better ET. Also how can you prove that there is no prop slip what so ever or pump slippage at all?

[cyclone]

props slip.
pumps slip.
tires slip.

[McIntyrelocal]

props slip.
pumps slip.
tires slip.
amen brother (not religously) its an endless debate.

[McIntyrelocal]

hey djdtpr im a friend of bobby frys i met u guys at your hood week before the 4th did you run your boat a the races.

[cyclone]

amen brother (not religously) its an endless debate.
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/420102#imageID=26864467
hey danny here's the pics.....

[djdtpr]

props slip.
pumps slip.
tires slip.
Thanks for the input Mike great job.

[cyclone]

djd..
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/420113#imageID=26865901

[cyclone]

Thanks for the input Mike great job.
i know a thing or two about slippin....

[cyclone]

spy photo of miked's n2o setup....
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/418343#imageID=26740102
:D

[cyclone]

http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/418343#imageID=-26740133
this would look really funny if it weren't after the finish line.

[cyclone]

i dig this one...
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/418343#imageID=-26740147

[cyclone]

the crane shots are the shit.
sofa..
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/418343#imageID=-26740223

[sdpm]

Thanks Neil. How did you do in SD?
Did good. Had trans problem but got it fixed. Everything went real well. Thanks
See you in Phoenix.:D

[Bense468]

hey djdtpr im a friend of bobby frys
Thats your problem :D

[McIntyrelocal]

Thats your problem :D
its my fortune bobby's a good friend he and i have helped each other alot,he helped me do most of my boat, but still not done we've got some changes to make.

[Bense468]

Its a disease for which there is no cure...
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6842/p9140185ia6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/7528/p9140188bf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The eyes of a true mafia member
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9066/p9140182zv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8383/p9140190rs1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6096/p9140191tp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Bense468]

someone say tire slip
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3433/p9140184qy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Bense468]

its my fortune bobby's a good friend he and i have helped each other alot,he helped me do most of my boat, but still not done we've got some changes to make.
I was just giving you a hard time, actually hoping bobby would chime in. :D

[McIntyrelocal]

I was just giving you a hard time, actually hoping bobby would chime in. :D
i know, all in good fun. ive met a few of you 6th st. boys all good people , bobby's got nothin but good things to say about you guys i hope you guys well glad to see the #s on the new boat sure is pretty.:)

[RCB19]

the crane shots are the shit.
sofa..
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/418343#imageID=-26740223
No Doubt.

[plj/fry]

hey all its all work and no play for now, but i well be back:jawdrop: and for you Mr bense if you ever show up in this two horse town i better here a phone ring :D and thats all folks........

[watergun4u]

I talked to him for a while on Sat., real nice guy and thats a bad ass boat. He was in the 8.5 class for a while, said he made some prop changes or something, whatever he did it works cause he was running 8.0s and it looked fast. He was hangin it but it looked like he knew what he was doing.
I have seen him drive many time's and he seems to like to hang it out, but he sure can pull some good time's and cut one hell of a light!, he's a very good driver! and always seems to be in control!

[widowmaker]

This one works for me. Not bad for my first time on the rope.
http://photomark.dragboatracing.com/album/420113#imageID=26865818

[MudPumper]

I love it when you guys get all analytical and shit.:idea: Stick to drinking beer and driving boats. :D

[djdtpr]

The eyes of a true mafia member
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9066/p9140182zv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wow i wish you guys would have told me i looked that bad sunday morning!

[Bense468]

Wow i wish you guys would have told me i looked that bad sunday morning!
That was sat. NUUUUUUTTTTTTTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ