The moveon.org "General Betrayus" ad

[SmokinLowriderSS]

In the Times last week, is having even more fallout.
Wether you think it was good (you're a nut), or bad (like most people do) It's not only blown up in the face of the most hateful leftist democrat smear organization there is.
No, it is dropping right into the laps of the Democrats in the US Senate.
Even if you think it is entirely political maneuvering, the vote results are "interesting" to say the least.
A Senator (John Cornyn of Tx) introduced an amendment to some legislation, and got it voted on today.
It was an amendment that basically said that the add was in very poor taste, and should not have slandered a US Military Comander who is currently conducting combat opperations somewhere.
I'm looking for the full text of it, but that may take a while.
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To express the sense of the Senate that General David II. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces.
Every Republican voted for it.
Every Democrat voted for it. No, not really. Only half did. 25 voted against it.
72 to 25 for the amendment.
No Democrat Presidential candidate voted for it.
One (Obama) didn't even vote on it. No spine it looks like to me. Some websites claim he was absent, but at the time, HE WAS ON THE FLOOR SPEECHMAKING ABOUT IT.
I heard the speech partly (recorded of course).
Not surprisingly, they included two presidential candidates, Hillary and Chris Dodd. Joe Biden, who did condemn the ads previously, and Barack Obama, who refused to vote on this amendment despite having voted in the roll call vote immediately before and immediately after this vote.
At least Clinton from NY showed spine (voted against)
Reid from Nv showed spine (voted against)
Schumer from NY showed spine (voted against)
I am looking for the complete name list.
Here it is, with state afiliation.
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Hillary (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT) (also an avowed socialist)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
I highlighted the ones that were simply not surprising to me.

[Blown 472]

Isn't that a form of free speech?

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It is, and as such, free speech comes with 2 other things attatched to it.
Responsibility.
Consequences.
Nothing in the amendment made the advertizement a crime, or tried to stop it from happening again.
It simply said "We as a group think it was hateful and out-of-line", and it recorded the names of those who are willing to SAY that, and those who are too afraid of George Soros' moveon.org slander machine to take a stand.
Which side would YOUR name come down on clown (like I don't already know, but this lets you go on reccord, just like the Senators did)?
Someone HAS sued the Times for the ad tho, because they gave a heavy discount to moveon.org on the price, $100,000 DISCOUNT, while moveon just HAPPENS to actually have meetings with the DNC, strategizing, directing them (Soros' move-on directing the DNC), assisting the democrat campaigns.
Illegal Soft Money Campaign Contribution, $100,000
There's your "neutrality of the press" vanishing clown. Heavy discount to a democrat campaign group for a full-page slander advertizement. They are not much more left than the MY Times.
Nothing will come of it tho, IMO.
Soros, who has publicly said he intends to overthrow the manner in which we elect our leaders, is working on BUYING the 2008 election. He directs not only the Times, but MSNBC and NBC as well.
Maybe I'll post a thread with that information tomorow.
I'm busy tonight running followed by a b-day dinner with friends.

[Blown 472]

Well people have died for that right and are still dying for it, so deal with it, you dont like it dont read it.
You bushies crack me up, you never address the groups that are pulling the strings of ol gdumbya, you know the ones that are pushing for global domination of resources and empire building, but cry like babies over some web site which I am sure none of the things that gdumbyas group is pushing is on their agenda. It is just strange, but then pavloves dog was trainable too.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Next thing you know, some infantile sap will be spending tax dollars on some legislation that relates to negative stabs at the Commander and Chief.
Most in Washington need to grow up and get back to work.
Obama seems to have taken the appropraite position, none
Smokin,
If the Republicans lose in 08 it will be because of the piss poor job they did in the previous 8 years. Not because Soros bought the election. The majority of the people in this country are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
General Petraeus echoed Bush, and it wasn't difficult to realize this. If an individual or a group wants to call him a great General or a monkey puppet, they have the right. Putting the appropriateness of a comment to a vote, was a childish ploy and a waste of tax payer dollars.
In case you are wondering, I wouldn't have participated.
And of course every Republican voted for it. It was introduced by a Republican. Partisan politics at its finest.

[Old Texan]

Next thing you know, some infantile sap will be spending tax dollars on some legislation that relates to negative stabs at the Commander and Chief.
Most in Washington need to grow up and get back to work.
Obama seems to have taken the appropraite position.
Smokin,
If the Republicans lose in 08 it will be because of the piss poor job they did in the previous 8 years. Not because Soros bought the election. The majority of the people in this country are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
General Petraeus echoed Bush, and it wasn't difficult to realize this. If an individual or a group wants to call him a great General or a monkey puppet, they have the right. Putting the appropriateness of a comment to a vote, was a childish ploy and a waste of tax payer dollars.
In case you are wondering, I wouldn't have participated.
And of course every Republican voted for it. It was introduced by a Republican. Partisan politics at its finest.
I have been waiting for a couple of weeks to see when the Petraeus issue would hit the forum. I started to post a thread but waited until it came from elsewhere and if and when to observe the opening salvos. Well here it is and no surprise in the first 2 to respond in agreement to the negativity of moveon.org.
The Dems cried for a change of venue and direction in Iraq. They got the General they wanted in Petraeus and agreed with his plan. When it became evident the plan had changed the course in Iraq and Dem senators and liberal media alike were making obsevations and statements that we were turning the corner and making positive progtress in Iraq. KaaaaaaBOOM!!!!!!!! The Soros stooges unload big time on the Dems being hoinest and showing open approval, Katie Couric is torn up as a "traitor to the cause", and the campaigning nitwits, Hill and O, turn on the General like he has the plague.
Petraeus speaks about facts and what is going on and any nutcase trying to lay the "mimicing W" crap is a blind fool. Wake up John......We know you hate the damn war but for Christ's sake show some common sense and figure out the only way to end the damn thing isto do it the right way, the way an expert like Petraeus is doing it. Your blind hatred for W and desire for complete bail out of Iraq is not the answer like it or not. Facts, not emotion, not a blind "viet nam like peacenik" protest , but a realization that we are in a war against terror that has led us into a position that must be addressed and solved by professionals.
The treatment of Petraeus is ridiculous and reflects just how completely immature and idiotic the Soros group and any of the cowardly Dems are that feel they must lick his boots or lose their "jobs" and paltry positions. Any platform build on the likes of Soros is "UNAMERICAN" is is meant to harm this country.
John, you appear to be Soros sympathizer or am I just imagining it as you seem to mirror moveon.org in so many ways????????
If any want to defend Soros then they better get some damn good facts working because this man is a lying cancer rotting away at the fabric of our nation and any defense puts you right it step with his garbage.......

[Blown 472]

I have been waiting for a couple of weeks to see when the Petraeus issue would hit the forum. I started to post a thread but waited until it came from elsewhere and if and when to observe the opening salvos. Well here it is and no surprise in the first 2 to respond in agreement to the negativity of moveon.org.
The Dems cried for a change of venue and direction in Iraq. They got the General they wanted in Petraeus and agreed with his plan. When it became evident the plan had changed the course in Iraq and Dem senators and liberal media alike were making obsevations and statements that we were turning the corner and making positive progtress in Iraq. KaaaaaaBOOM!!!!!!!! The Soros stooges unload big time on the Dems being hoinest and showing open approval, Katie Couric is torn up as a "traitor to the cause", and the campaigning nitwits, Hill and O, turn on the General like he has the plague.
Petraeus speaks about facts and what is going on and any nutcase trying to lay the "mimicing W" crap is a blind fool. Wake up John......We know you hate the damn war but for Christ's sake show some common sense and figure out the only way to end the damn thing isto do it the right way, the way an expert like Petraeus is doing it. Your blind hatred for W and desire for complete bail out of Iraq is not the answer like it or not. Facts, not emotion, not a blind "viet nam like peacenik" protest , but a realization that we are in a war against terror that has led us into a position that must be addressed and solved by professionals.
The treatment of Petraeus is ridiculous and reflects just how completely immature and idiotic the Soros group and any of the cowardly Dems are that feel they must lick his boots or lose their "jobs" and paltry positions. Any platform build on the likes of Soros is "UNAMERICAN" is is meant to harm this country.
John, you appear to be Soros sympathizer or am I just imagining it as you seem to mirror moveon.org in so many ways????????
If any want to defend Soros then they better get some damn good facts working because this man is a lying cancer rotting away at the fabric of our nation and any defense puts you right it step with his garbage.......
But had any of this been said agianst hilary or any other dem by the rep. we wouldn't be having this conversation. Now would we???
Freedom of speech plain and simple, we are killing people in another country and americans are getting killed for it, so like I said deal with it.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I have been waiting for a couple of weeks to see when the Petraeus issue would hit the forum. I started to post a thread but waited until it came from elsewhere and if and when to observe the opening salvos. Well here it is and no surprise in the first 2 to respond in agreement to the negativity of moveon.org.
The Dems cried for a change of venue and direction in Iraq. They got the General they wanted in Petraeus and agreed with his plan. When it became evident the plan had changed the course in Iraq and Dem senators and liberal media alike were making obsevations and statements that we were turning the corner and making positive progtress in Iraq. KaaaaaaBOOM!!!!!!!! The Soros stooges unload big time on the Dems being hoinest and showing open approval, Katie Couric is torn up as a "traitor to the cause", and the campaigning nitwits, Hill and O, turn on the General like he has the plague.
Petraeus speaks about facts and what is going on and any nutcase trying to lay the "mimicing W" crap is a blind fool. Wake up John......We know you hate the damn war but for Christ's sake show some common sense and figure out the only way to end the damn thing isto do it the right way, the way an expert like Petraeus is doing it. Your blind hatred for W and desire for complete bail out of Iraq is not the answer like it or not. Facts, not emotion, not a blind "viet nam like peacenik" protest , but a realization that we are in a war against terror that has led us into a position that must be addressed and solved by professionals.
The treatment of Petraeus is ridiculous and reflects just how completely immature and idiotic the Soros group and any of the cowardly Dems are that feel they must lick his boots or lose their "jobs" and paltry positions. Any platform build on the likes of Soros is "UNAMERICAN" is is meant to harm this country.
John, you appear to be Soros sympathizer or am I just imagining it as you seem to mirror moveon.org in so many ways????????
If any want to defend Soros then they better get some damn good facts working because this man is a lying cancer rotting away at the fabric of our nation and any defense puts you right it step with his garbage.......
I am not a fan of wasting time and tax dollars. The Moveon.org comment was as childish as the seneate vote about the same.
I am not a Moveon.org follower at all. But I believe they are no different than the White Christian Supremacist movement, with regard to freedom of speech.
Petraeus speaks about facts and what is going on and any nutcase trying to lay the "mimicing W" crap is a blind fool. Wake up John
From one blind fool to another, I would suggest that you open your eyes as well. I did admire the General's, "I don't know" response to the question about America being any safer as a result.
OUOTE: George W.Bush
"I'm going to come out strong after my swearing-in. We have to move quickly, because after that I'll be quacking like a duck."

[centerhill condor]

I was very unpleased by the page...However, they pick an easy target. A General Officer is prohibited from getting into the political mud. That is what got Gen. Doug MacArthur fired.
CC

[SmokinLowriderSS]

It has gotten SEVERAL General Staff Officers fired/"retired" over the years, at least one over "freedom of speech" during the Clinton Presidency.
"Freedom of speech" was also used by a certain former Colorado college professor to say that the children who were in the Twin Towers (in day care) who died DESERVED IT, and were "Little Adolph Eichman's".
Somebody looked into his past, and it turns out he had forged the papers he used to get preference for his teaching job, his tenure, AND committed plajurism in his doctoral works.
The speech cost him nothing.
The skeletons in his closet cost him his job. The "consequences" of "free speech".

[never_fast_enuf]

moveon.org and the extremism, hate and anti-American sentiment they bring to the table is exactly what is wrong with this country. No surprise at all that they march in lockstep with the democrat party. Also no surprise that the resident libs also blindly support the public trashing of our military.
Ultra, you say The majority of the people in this country are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
Have you looked at congress's ratings lately? Who is the majority there again?
Yep, that is what I thought.
See, what you and the rest of your anti American liberal trash can't figure out is America is fed up with the shit moveon.org shovels...period

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Have you looked at congress's ratings lately? Who is the majority there again?
As of this past week, 11% approval. :eek: :confused:
What is Bush's currently? :idea: :idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

moveon.org and the extremism, hate and anti-American sentiment they bring to the table is exactly what is wrong with this country. No surprise at all that they march in lockstep with the democrat party. Also no surprise that the resident libs also blindly support the public trashing of our military.
Ultra, you say The majority of the people in this country are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
Have you looked at congress's ratings lately? Who is the majority there again?
Yep, that is what I thought.
See, what you and the rest of your anti American liberal trash can't figure out is America is fed up with the shit moveon.org shovels...period
11% the last time I looked. This doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
Now I am anti American liberal trash. :confused: Apparently you believe that only Republicans are American and everyone else should be executed or forced to leave the US. It's interesting that you don't hear me calling anyone trash for their political or religious views. Thankfully most Americans, whether Republican or Democrat have something that you clearly don't have, and that is class.

[never_fast_enuf]

I am not a Moveon.org follower at all. But I believe they are no different than the White Christian Supremacist movement, with regard to freedom of speech.
[/I]
Really? Can you tell me which White Christian Supremacist group wealds the same power (read contributions) over the republicans as does moveon over the democrats?
Moveon could piss and a dead soldier and people like you would excuse it because you march in lockstep with their agenda.
Freedom of speech? Damn right they have the right to say how much they hate America...just like the republicans have every right to call them on it.
Just after the 2004 election, this is what moveon had to say about the democrat party...
“Now it’s our party. We bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”
THIS is your party Ultra.

[never_fast_enuf]

11% the last time I looked. This doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans are fed up with Bush, his BS record spending and the war in Iraq.
Now I am anti American liberal trash. :confused: Apparently you believe that only Republicans are American and everyone else should be executed or forced to leave the US. It's interesting that you don't hear me calling anyone trash for their political or religious views. Thankfully most Americans, whether Republican or Democrat have something that you clearly don't have, and that is class.
I believe that anyone who supports moveon.org is 100% anti-American trash. If that puts you in that camp, as it appears, so be it.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I believe that anyone who supports moveon.org is 100% anti-American trash. If that puts you in that camp, as it appears, so be it.
Show me anything that I have ever stated that even hints at me supporting moveon.org. Let me help you here, I don't support these folks so you won't find anythng. But that doesn't matter to the MASTERDEBATER.
Are you now back pedaling from your comment See, what you and the rest of your anti American liberal trash can't figure out is America is fed up with the shit moveon.org shovels...period
moveon.org, and other people or groups have the right to free speech in this Country. You don't have to listen as I don't. No party or religion owns me.
Would you limit or censor what these folks have to say?

[never_fast_enuf]

Show me anything that I have ever stated that even hints at me supporting moveon.org. Let me help you here, I don't support these folks so you won't find anythng. But that doesn't matter to the MASTERDEBATER.
Are you now back pedaling from your comment See, what you and the rest of your anti American liberal trash can't figure out is America is fed up with the shit moveon.org shovels...period
moveon.org, and other person or group has the right to free speech in this Country. You don't have to listen as I don't. No party or religion own me.
Would you limit or censor what these folks have to say?
You support the democrat party who marches in lockstep with moveon.org. Like it or not, you DO support moveon...period.
Moveon has stated, rightfully so, that they OWN the democrat party. They bought and paid for them...period. How does it feel to support the party that takes their marching orders from such an anti American group?
The question you refuse to answer doesn't have anything to do with their right to say what they said...no one is saying they didn't have the right. What you refuse to answer is do you support their extreem left wing view of our military?

[never_fast_enuf]

I don't support these folks so you won't find anythng. But that doesn't matter to the MASTERDEBATER.
You seem to have a fascination with masturbation as this is about the 5th time you have used the term in threads I post in. Perhaps a date every once in a while will alleviate that compulsion of yours.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

moveon.org, and other person or group has the right to free speech in this Country. You don't have to listen as I don't. No party or religion own me.
Would you limit or censor what these folks have to say?
Care to explain just exactly who has tried to censor your buddies at moveon?
"Investigating", turns up things like these:
moveon.org HAS effectively censored the democrats trying to get elected.
Soros started moveon.org, and has donated $5 million to them.
Moveon supports Soros' opensocietyinstitute.com.
Moveon also funds the mediamatters website.
George Soros is founder and chairman of the Open Society Institute and the Soros foundations network. He is also the chairman of Soros Fund Management LLC
MoveOn.org claims to have 3.2 million members.
MoveOn.org claims that its average member contribution is $40.
For your difficulties at math ultra, that comes out to $128 million, every nickel Democrat money.
Screaming, FAR leftie, socialist, America-hating money.
Democrat party, owned by Soros and moveon.org.
MoveOn.org has gotten financing from the deep pockets of billionaires such as George Soros, who pledged it $5 million in the past and implied he would give more if that's what it took to win elections.
That's not his only cause.
He funds a network of organizations that have critical uses to the Democrats, such as a think tank closely associated with Hillary Clinton's supporters and ex-aides called the Center for American Progress, and plenty of others.
The group's organizers claim to confer with Democratic representatives or their aides in Congress every morning.
A VERY CLOSE relationship with move-on. Hmmmmmmmm:idea: :idea:
MoveOn's leaders declared in a 2004 e-mail that its cash contributions ensure its control of the Democrats: "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."
A senate that voted 81-10 to confirm Gen Patreus, votes only 72-25 to tell move-on that calling him and other soldiers Traitors is over the top.
3 didn't even have the guts to vote against it, and refused to vote period.
The ENTIRE 15 member swing was gutless Democrats afraid of moveon.org.
With those too gutless to vote either way, it's really an 18 vote swing.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You support the democrat party who marches in lockstep with moveon.org. Like it or not, you DO support moveon...period.
Moveon has stated, rightfully so, that they OWN the democrat party. They bought and paid for them...period. How does it feel to support the party that takes their marching orders from such an anti American group?
The question you refuse to answer doesn't have anything to do with their right to say what they said...no one is saying they didn't have the right. What you refuse to answer is do you support their extreem left wing view of our military?
I do not support the war period. I felt this way before I ever heard of moveon.org. Frankly I do give a damn what moveon.org claims or says ad more than I give a damn about what you claim or say.
From what I know, they represent the far left, which is not a place that I come from. Conclude what you would like. Telling me what I support and what I don't is simply more comedy from the MASTERDEBATER. They have the same right to exist as you do. They have the same right to freedom of speech as you do.
BTW what is the question I refuse to answer?
A senate that voted 81-10 to confirm Gen Patreus, votes only 72-25 to tell move-on that calling him and other soldiers Traitors is over the top.
3 didn't even have the guts to vote against it, and refused to vote period.
The ENTIRE 15 member swing was gutless Democrats afraid of moveon.org.
With those too gutless to vote either way, it's really an 18 vote swing.
As I said wasting time and taxes voting on what comments are or are not appropriate was as childish as the moveon.org ad. Stop whining. You're acting like 8 year olds. If you don't like what moveon.org has to say don't listen I don't
Smokin, you and your buddies call those on the left traitors on a regular basis. Kind of a double standard, don't ya think??
I find the whole issue of a Senate vote to see who agrees or disagrees on the moveon.org, or any other groups comments, appalling. Like a bunch of babies.
nfe, LOCKSTEP THIS

[jungledave]

In the Times last week, is having even more fallout.
Wether you think it was good (you're a nut), or bad (like most people do) It's not only blown up in the face of the most hateful leftist democrat smear organization there is.
No, it is dropping right into the laps of the Democrats in the US Senate.
Even if you think it is entirely political maneuvering, the vote results are "interesting" to say the least.
A Senator (John Cornyn of Tx) introduced an amendment to some legislation, and got it voted on today.
It was an amendment that basically said that the add was in very poor taste, and should not have slandered a US Military Comander who is currently conducting combat opperations somewhere.
I'm looking for the full text of it, but that may take a while.
Every Republican voted for it.
Every Democrat voted for it. No, not really. Only half did. 25 voted against it.
72 to 25 for the amendment.
No Democrat Presidential candidate voted for it.
One (Obama) didn't even vote on it. No spine it looks like to me. Some websites claim he was absent, but at the time, HE WAS ON THE FLOOR SPEECHMAKING ABOUT IT.
I heard the speech partly (recorded of course).
At least Clinton from NY showed spine (voted against)
Reid from Nv showed spine (voted against)
Schumer from NY showed spine (voted against)
I am looking for the complete name list.
Here it is, with state afiliation.
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Hillary (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT) (also an avowed socialist)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
I highlighted the ones that were simply not surprising to me.I think we all know general Betrayass politicised his report and moveon politicised their add. What bothers me is that our legislative and executive branches have the time to take away from their busy schedules to further the politics instead of taking on real issues.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I think we all know general Betrayass politicised his report and moveon politicised their add. What bothers me is that our legislative and executive branches have the time to take away from their busy schedules to further the politics instead of taking on real issues.
Thank you. Finally there is someone here today who can comment like an adult :D

[centerhill condor]

I'm not very concerned about this group...moveon.whatever...you may recall when the unions threw massive ($700m) amounts of money into the elections; pres, congress, etc...where'd that get them. As I recall, that's how the GOP got in majority for the first time in over 40 years.
What bothers me most about all of this is that the people in charge at the DNC are soooo obsessed with being in power they sell the souls and future to the highest bidder at the lowest common denominator.
CC

[Old Texan]

Thank you. Finally there is someone here today who can comment like an adult :D
"Adult" with a definite spelling deficiency....the kind of "Adult" Soros attracts to further his cause. Literate "Adults" have a tendency to see Soros for what he is and your new friend doesn't appear to meet that qualification.:devil:

[Old Texan]

I'm not very concerned about this group...moveon.whatever...you may recall when the unions threw massive ($700m) amounts of money into the elections; pres, congress, etc...where'd that get them. As I recall, that's how the GOP got in majority for the first time in over 40 years.
What bothers me most about all of this is that the people in charge at the DNC are soooo obsessed with being in power they sell the souls and future to the highest bidder at the lowest common denominator.
CC
The Democratic party is filled with too many weakminded career politicians whose rudderless paths only allow them to see the Moveon.org ability to keep them out of office. They don't have the guts to stand on their own principles (few have any principles to begin with) so will do Soros bidding knowing if they do not they will be out of office.
The Dems need more Joe Liebermans who have both the guts and the principles to do what's right for America, not Soros' tainted view of "His America". Sad group of folks that can't see this evil man for what he is and for what he's trying to do. Soros very well could be the straw that breaks the weak backed Dem party.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

"Adult" with a definite spelling deficiency....the kind of "Adult" Soros attracts to further his cause. Literate "Adults" have a tendency to see Soros for what he is and your new friend doesn't appear to meet that qualification.:devil:
You believe that it is proper to spend the government's time and resources voting on what are and what are not appropriate comments?
IMO, it is not up to the Senate to determine if comments made by Soros are in bad taste. Being a Republican I am surprised you don't view the Senate vote as a waste of your tax dollars. If this same vote was focused, on a Republican, or the Right wing, you all would be screaming. Now who's the hypocrite?
Since when did you become a member of the spelling police? BTW, I have laid off of the insults, I suggest you do the same.:)

[Old Texan]

But had any of this been said agianst hilary or any other dem by the rep. we wouldn't be having this conversation. Now would we???
Freedom of speech plain and simple, we are killing people in another country and americans are getting killed for it, so like I said deal with it.
I'd reply but it wouldn't be fair since your "Free speech" card around here has been revoked again.......:devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I'd reply but it wouldn't be fair since your "Free speech" card around here has been revoked again.......:devil:
Another Tanq evening? I'm sure your comment made sense to you.

[Old Texan]

You believe that it is proper to spend the government's time and resources voting on what are and what are not appropriate comments?
IMO, it is not up to the Senate to determine if comments made by Soros are in bad taste. Being a Republican I am surprised you don't view the Senate vote as a waste of your tax dollars. If this same vote was focused, on a Republican, or the Right wing, you all would be screaming. Now who's the hypocrite?
Since when did you become a member of the spelling police? BTW, I have laid off of the insults, I suggest you do the same.:)
Keep your suggestion......I live to be a wise asse. A little sense of humor might loosen you up a bit, life's made for humor. Free speech you hold so dear as you've said.
Moveon's brand of tyranny needs to be addressed and if it takes a Senator's bill to do it, it isn't in my opinion a waste of time or tax dollars. The message is being directed to Senators like Reid and Clinton that it's time to show some backbone and take their party back from the control of rogues like Soros. But those 2 are more the cause than the cure for what's wrong with society.
W stated yesterday that if they want to direct BS at him it's one thing, but to direct it at General in charge of protecting this nation is completely wrong. And I wholeheartedly agree.
Like I said earlier, like the Iraq war or not, it will not just go away. I must be dealt with and dealt with in a way to preserve as many lives and as much stability in Iraq and the region as possible. Petraeous is the man in chargfe and he is working hard to that end.
As far as your illiterate jungle buddy, I chose to "dis" his spelling rather than his lame discourteous opionion on the General.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Another Tanq evening? I'm sure your comment made sense to you.
It would to you also, if you were to "investigate" blown's latest cut/paste thread. :idea:
Don't expect to see him post another one before .... oh.... late OCTOBER. :idea:
If you still cannot figure it out, ask. :confused:

[Old Texan]

Another Tanq evening? I'm sure your comment made sense to you.
No.......
Blown has been place on the 30 day inactive list.
Try to keep up, OK......:devil:

[Old Texan]

It would to you also, if you were to "investigate" blown's latest cut/paste thread. :idea:
Don't expect to see him post another one before .... oh.... late OCTOBER. :idea:
If you still cannot figure it out, ask. :confused:
In the words of Tony Soprano (accompanied by a nice shoulder shrug): "Whadaya gonna do?????":devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Keep your suggestion......I live to be a wise asse. A little sense of humor might loosen you up a bit, life's made for humor. Free speech you hold so dear as you've said.
Moveon's brand of tyranny needs to be addressed and if it takes a Senator's bill to do it, it isn't in my opinion a waste of time or tax dollars. The message is being directed to Senators like Reid and Clinton that it's time to show some backbone and take their party back from the control of rogues like Soros. But those 2 are more the cause than the cure for what's wrong with society.
W stated yesterday that if they want to direct BS at him it's one thing, but to direct it at General in charge of protecting this nation is completely wrong. And I wholeheartedly agree.
Like I said earlier, like the Iraq war or not, it will not just go away. I must be dealt with and dealt with in a way to preserve as many lives and as much stability in Iraq and the region as possible. Petraeous is the man in chargfe and he is working hard to that end.
As far as your illiterate jungle buddy, I chose to "dis" his spelling rather than his lame discourteous opionion on the General.
I am surprised that you view Senate involvement relating to an inappropriate ad, as the American way. I don't.
I don't see Mr. Cut and Paste as having anythng to do with my free speech card.:confused: As long as you and your friend understand, I guess that's all that matters. :D

[Old Texan]

I am surprised that you view Senate involvement relating to an inappropriate ad, as the American way. I don't.
I don't see Mr. Cut and Paste as having anythng to do with my free speech card.:confused: As long as you and your friend understand, I guess that's all that matters. :D
Senate involvement to draw attention a growing problem is appropriate. The moveon.org plan to disrupt and control politicians is a very serious issue. I would never question anyone's right to fre speech but the Soros group goes beyond with an agenda to sway decisons with =in our government.
If the Dems would show the backbone to stand up and refuse to be influenced it would be a non issue but they haven't and won't. The couple of instances where Dem office holders went against the group's wishes, they were pushed from office by Soros' campaign contributions to handpicked repalcements whom the Dem voters blindly voted in.
If you don't see the danger in allowing a rogue group like moveon.org to control elections and policy, maybe you better do a little investigating. Blindly defending their actions as you appear to be doing is what allows this stuff to grow and happen.
Looking at the moveon.org group also should alert you to how the nation's media is not objective but prone to side with certain groups and parties. They do not report facts but instead further the one sided perspectives of whom the choose to associate. "Bush is bad, anyone who opposes him is good" seems to be the main view taken by the majority of mainstream media and it effects to many illiterate Americans that fail to stop and think. Folks that should have the intelligence to see reality are failing to comphrehend what is being "reported".
By the way the earlier post was directed at Blown having his freedom to C&P silenced. I didn't think it was tough to pickup on had nothing to do with "your" freedom of speech.......

[never_fast_enuf]

The fact that Ultra doesn't see a problem with the Moveon add isn't surprising in the least. He is exactly the the type of person moveon and Soros appeal to so of course he is going to be upset when someone calls moveon on their tactics.

[never_fast_enuf]

I am surprised that you view Senate involvement relating to an inappropriate ad, as the American way. I don't.
:D
Do you think it was wasteful for the Senate to investige the legal firings by Alberto Gonzales?

[never_fast_enuf]

So ultra, perhaps you think this is a better use of our tax dollar? Yes, THIS is the activity we should be spending our hard earned money on for sure.
$1 million for the Museum at Bethel Woods, which is dedicated to recreating the 1969 Woodstock Music Festival experience and will feature “An interpretation of the 1969 Woodstock Music & Arts Fair” exhibit in 2008, according to the museum’s website. The earmark is at the request of New York Senators Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Senate involvement to draw attention a growing problem is appropriate. The moveon.org plan to disrupt and control politicians is a very serious issue. I would never question anyone's right to fre speech but the Soros group goes beyond with an agenda to sway decisons with =in our government.
If the Dems would show the backbone to stand up and refuse to be influenced it would be a non issue but they haven't and won't. The couple of instances where Dem office holders went against the group's wishes, they were pushed from office by Soros' campaign contributions to handpicked repalcements whom the Dem voters blindly voted in.
If you don't see the danger in allowing a rogue group like moveon.org to control elections and policy, maybe you better do a little investigating. Blindly defending their actions as you appear to be doing is what allows this stuff to grow and happen.
Looking at the moveon.org group also should alert you to how the nation's media is not objective but prone to side with certain groups and parties. They do not report facts but instead further the one sided perspectives of whom the choose to associate. "Bush is bad, anyone who opposes him is good" seems to be the main view taken by the majority of mainstream media and it effects to many illiterate Americans that fail to stop and think. Folks that should have the intelligence to see reality are failing to comphrehend what is being "reported".
By the way the earlier post was directed at Blown having his freedom to C&P silenced. I didn't think it was tough to pickup on had nothing to do with "your" freedom of speech.......
The couple of instances where Dem office holders went against the group's wishes, they were pushed from office by Soros'
Specifically who?
Soros group goes beyond with an agenda
What is Soros' agenda?
Looking at the moveon.org group also should alert you to how the nation's media is not objective but prone to side with certain groups and parties.
Fox is no more objective than CBS just different bias
If you don't see the danger in allowing a rogue group like moveon.org to control elections and policy,
I see danger in "rouge groups" influencing elections just as I see big business influencing elections. You don't see it this way
Are you afraid that Soros is going to brainwash Republican voters or anyone else for that matter? Your entire issue seems to follow your support for the Iraq war. Fear
What was it that FDR so famously said?
"The status quo has got to go" would be a good campaign slogan.

[Old Texan]

The couple of instances where Dem office holders went against the group's wishes, they were pushed from office by Soros'
Specifically who?
Soros group goes beyond with an agenda
What is Soros' agenda?
Looking at the moveon.org group also should alert you to how the nation's media is not objective but prone to side with certain groups and parties.
Fox is no more objective than CBS just different bias
If you don't see the danger in allowing a rogue group like moveon.org to control elections and policy,
I see danger in "rouge groups" influencing elections just as I see big business influencing elections. You don't see it this way
Are you afraid that Soros is going to brainwash Republican voters or anyone else for that matter? Your entire issue seems to follow your support for the Iraq war. Fear
What was it that FDR so famously said?
"The status quo has got to go" would be a good campaign slogan.
You just don't get it and it continues to show. You are obviously blindly defending Soros and Moveon.org because they are anti Bush and Anti Iraq war. The war really isn't the point and if you would take a look at what the agenda of Moveon.org is about you "might" see what I among others are tryingto say to you.
The day Soros brainwashes beyond the typical nutjobs of Moveon.org, we are all in trouble.

[never_fast_enuf]

They were/are also against us going into Afghanistan. Did you know that Ultra? Do you really not have any idea what these people stand for or are you just playing dumb?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You just don't get it and it continues to show. You are obviously blindly defending Soros and Moveon.org because they are anti Bush and Anti Iraq war. The war really isn't the point and if you would take a look at what the agenda of Moveon.org is about you "might" see what I among others are tryingto say to you.
The day Soros brainwashes beyond the typical nutjobs of Moveon.org, we are all in trouble.
I don't follow Soros, so I have no reason to defend him. I'm not a follower of moveon.org. and again, there is nothing to defend.
I am aware that moveon is anti war and anti Bush
I was for the action taken against Afghanistan on not for invading Iraq.
Fear!! You are flat out afraid of Soros ???? Fear??? You are flat out afraid of those in the Mid-East.
Soros has no affect on me or my political views, period. It's going to stay that way.

[never_fast_enuf]

Soros has no affect on me or my political views, period. It's going to stay that way.
That is where you are totally naive and clueless once again. THEY OWN your party...I didn't say it, they did. THEY drive the agenda of your party...I didn't say it, they did.
You really aren't a very intelligent individual, are you.
Yes, the question was rhetorical.

[never_fast_enuf]

The couple of instances where Dem office holders went against the group's wishes, they were pushed from office by Soros'
Specifically who?
Joe Lieberman. In the end, he had the last laugh.

[Old Texan]

Chuck Todd on Meet the Press following an interview discussing why John Kerry and Hillary among others wouldn't vote to defund the war although they worry about their refusal and it's effects on support from the group:
MoveOn is sort of like this old friend of the Democratic Party. It's as if it's, you know, your, your teen - your - a friend of yours from high school, and you don't mind hanging out with them back in high school, and then they keep showing up at your parties, and they get a little drunk and obnoxious, but you'll still - you're afraid to criticize them because they know too much about you or something.
Moveon.org is ahate group with funding to use to break down the US as we know. Soros has stated this and his groups have pushed politicians, funded racial hate groups, threatened / voters at polling places at least since 2004, and continue to subvert outr government with lies.
Don't care about it Ultra, it doesn't matter, just don't defend them or dismiss them as another harmless conspiracy plot.
And yes I guess you could say I have fear for Soros and Islamic terrorists. They are both real and they intend to do harm to my country and my friends. Just hope someone that does take these things seriously is watching your back and hope you don't need their help. Remember there's a difference between hoping something isn't real and taking precautions against something that is real even though you choose not to believe it.

[never_fast_enuf]

There is MUCH to be feared from a man like Soros. Not only are his ideas nutty and dangerous, he has the money and power to enact them.
Hence, the current democrat party.

[never_fast_enuf]

Talk about some scary stuff...people need to know exactly who this man is and what he stands for.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275181103776079

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Chuck Todd on Meet the Press following an interview discussing why John Kerry and Hillary among others wouldn't vote to defund the war although they worry about their refusal and it's effects on support from the group:
Moveon.org is ahate group with funding to use to break down the US as we know. Soros has stated this and his groups have pushed politicians, funded racial hate groups, threatened / voters at polling places at least since 2004, and continue to subvert outr government with lies.
Don't care about it Ultra, it doesn't matter, just don't defend them or dismiss them as another harmless conspiracy plot.
And yes I guess you could say I have fear for Soros and Islamic terrorists. They are both real and they intend to do harm to my country and my friends. Just hope someone that does take these things seriously is watching your back and hope you don't need their help. Remember there's a difference between hoping something isn't real and taking precautions against something that is real even though you choose not to believe it.
Again, remember FDR's statement. I'm sorry Tex but I am not ruled by fear of Soros or Islam.
I don't defend Soros, and please don't imply that I do, the same for Islam and moveon.org. My eyes are open wide. Sometimes my vision is better than others and sometimes not. The sky that I see might be a slightly different shade of blue than the shy that you see. Nonetheless it's still blue.
I'm fed up with scare tactic politics, which continues to be the rage. We face serious issues that require serious and undivided attention. If the PRF is truly Representative of American Republicans, I am happy to say I'm a Democrat. Many of the so called Republicans here, I view as embarrassing to their party.
the majority of everything stated in the PRF consists of bashing the other side while the reality of a United America, is laughed at. This is un-American in my view. I have brought, to this forum, my view of Americans uniting countless times only to have it shot down as Liberal lies and/or as being anti- American.
IMO, Americans continuing to work against each other instead of trying to work in harmony, to correct the serious issues we face, will be this Country's demise.
I am the one of few people in this forum even slightly left of center. Once I got past BS slinging myself, and listened to what is being said here more closely, I found that BS slinging, for the most part, is what this place is about. With the exception ES and Tex (most of the time) even the the most well read posters, use their comments to sling sh*t.
I know that Mike (rexone) would like to see the PRFas some something different the Bench Racers. Intelligent and adult discussion and/or debate about political issues instead of personal sh*t slinging garbage.
:D :D

[never_fast_enuf]

See Ultra, the problem with people like you is while you say you do not support Soros, moveon, etc, by not taking a stand on their activities, you implicitly support their policies. I have yet to see you disagree with what they are doing.
Can you imagine if a white supremist group wielded so much power and influence over the republican party? I can guarantee you every single member of the party would immediately denounce them and turn away their money. You have taken the cowards way out by ignoring what these groups do and taking no stance on them at all. THAT is why I give you so much crap.
You simply can not face the fact that your party is being controlled by the likes of Soros. By not condemning it, I can only assume you support it.
Pointing out the obvious about Soros is hardly allowing ones self to be "ruled by fear". In fact, it is about as basic a step in acknowledging what the man is...something you are not interested in doing.

[Old Texan]

Allowing Soros and al Quaeda to go about their business unquestioned isn't a matter of showing no fear it's just foolish. Ignoring them will not make them go away.
Harmony with the present Democrats in power ain't gonna happen until they have pushed out any who oppose them. A very similar attitude to Moveon and al Quaida I'd say......:idea:

[centerhill condor]

Again, remember FDR's statement. I'm sorry Tex but I am not ruled by fear of Soros or Islam.
I don't defend Soros, and please don't imply that I do, the same for Islam and moveon.org. My eyes are open wide. Sometimes my vision is better than others and sometimes not. The sky that I see might be a slightly different shade of blue than the shy that you see. Nonetheless it's still blue.
I'm fed up with scare tactic politics, which continues to be the rage. We face serious issues that require serious and undivided attention. If the PRF is truly Representative of American Republicans, I am happy to say I'm a Democrat. Many of the so called Republicans here, I view as embarrassing to their party.
the majority of everything stated in the PRF consists of bashing the other side while the reality of a United America, is laughed at. This is un-American in my view. I have brought, to this forum, my view of Americans uniting countless times only to have it shot down as Liberal lies and/or as being anti- American.
IMO, Americans continuing to work against each other instead of trying to work in harmony, to correct the serious issues we face, will be this Country's demise.
I am the one of few people in this forum even slightly left of center. Once I got past BS slinging myself, and listened to what is being said here more closely, I found that BS slinging, for the most part, is what this place is about. With the exception ES and Tex (most of the time) even the the most well read posters, use their comments to sling sh*t.
I know that Mike (rexone) would like to see the PRFas some something different the Bench Racers. Intelligent and adult discussion and/or debate about political issues instead of personal sh*t slinging garbage.
:D :D
here you have it...pot calling the kettle, oh dear should I write it, black!
CC

[Old Texan]

Talk about some scary stuff...people need to know exactly who this man is and what he stands for.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275181103776079
He don't scare Ultra......:rolleyes:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Allowing Soros and al Quaeda to go about their business unquestioned isn't a matter of showing no fear it's just foolish. Ignoring them will not make them go away.
Harmony with the present Democrats in power ain't gonna happen until they have pushed out any who oppose them. A very similar attitude to Moveon and al Quaida I'd say......:idea:
A Moveon and al Quaida comparrison. An extreme left wing political group and terrorist murderer group should not even be considered in the same sentance. Doesn't sound to me like the Republicans have any desire do anything but keep the Dems out of power and vice versa. Sad that this Country has come to this
Soros and al Quaida. :confused:

[never_fast_enuf]

A Moveon and al Quaida comparrison. An extreme left wing political group and terrorist murderer group should not even be considered in the same sentance. Doesn't sound to me like the Republicans have any desire do anything but keep the Dems out of power and vice versa. Sad that this Country has come to this
Soros and al Quaida. :confused:
Both are extremely dangerous to America and both seek to destroy America. One with deadly force, one with cold hard cash and influence peddling. Ultimately, their goals are the same…destroy America as it stands today and reshape it in their vision. NOT understanding this about Soros is a fundamental mistake.

[centerhill condor]

Both are extremely dangerous to America and both seek to destroy America. One with deadly force, one with cold hard cash and influence peddling. Ultimately, their goals are the same…destroy America as it stands today and reshape it in their vision.
no small wonder they both desire the ouster of BUSH!
CC

[ULTRA26 # 1]

no small wonder they both desire the ouster of BUSH!
CC
As does most of America

[Old Texan]

A Moveon and al Quaida comparrison. An extreme left wing political group and terrorist murderer group should not even be considered in the same sentance. Doesn't sound to me like the Republicans have any desire do anything but keep the Dems out of power and vice versa. Sad that this Country has come to this
Soros and al Quaida. :confused:
Try to follow along with the show. We were speaking of fear of Moveon.org and fear of Islamic terrorism, though we weren't talking of them being connected. YOU said you feared neither. I didn't offer them up as being connected but since you mention it there is always the possiblity of Moveon.org or other Soros hate groups mustering up physical actions.
Remember Timothy McVeigh was influenced by far right groups not exactly considered physically dangerous. Given the right motivation any "nutjob" can turn into a "deadly nutjob". The basics of Soros' groips is hate and destruction. Destruction that can easily turn physical if the right formula of participants are assembled. Don't count out some sick SOB finding a McVeigh and creating a monster. bin Laden and Hamas does just that with their "Islamic Kamikazes"
Don't be naive and so self confident that it can't happen here.
Plus how is it you keep defending Moveon.org if you don't know who they are or care to know??????????
Questioning any negative inforamtion about them and claiming their intent is only to defeat Republicans on election day sure appears as defending...........or is it just being contrary?

[never_fast_enuf]

As does most of America
I guess that is why they voted him in for a second term eh?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Both are extremely dangerous to America and both seek to destroy America. One with deadly force, one with cold hard cash and influence peddling. Ultimately, their goals are the same…destroy America as it stands today and reshape it in their vision. NOT understanding this about Soros is a fundamental mistake.
You seem threatened by anyone or anything that oopses Republican rule. Thus your hatred for Democrats
Try to follow along with the show. We were speaking of fear of Moveon.org and fear of Islamic terrorism, though we weren't talking of them being connected. YOU said you feared neither. I didn't offer them up as being connected but since you mention it there is always the possiblity of Moveon.org or other Soros hate groups mustering up physical actions.
Remember Timothy McVeigh was influenced by far right groups not exactly considered physically dangerous. Given the right motivation any "nutjob" can turn into a "deadly nutjob". The basics of Soros' groips is hate and destruction. Destruction that can easily turn physical if the right formula of participants are assembled. Don't count out some sick SOB finding a McVeigh and creating a monster. bin Laden and Hamas does just that with their "Islamic Kamikazes"
Don't be naive and so self confident that it can't happen here.
Plus how is it you keep defending Moveon.org if you don't know who they are or care to know??????????
Questioning any negative inforamtion about them and claiming their intent is only to defeat Republicans on election day sure appears as defending...........or is it just being contrary?
Once again Tex, please point out to me where I have defended moveon.org.
Comparing Soros to Osama is a laugh. If that is what you are referring to, it's also a laugh.
The Petraeus ad by moveon was in poor taste. As I've stated putting poor taste to a vote in the Senate, was as childish as the poor taste itself.
It must suck to live in constant fear.

[Old Texan]

You seem threatened by anyone or anything that oopses Republican rule. Thus your hatred for Democrats
Once again Tex, please point out to me where I have defended moveon.org.
Comparing Soros to Osama is a laugh. If that is what you are referring to, it's also a laugh.
The Petraeus ad by moveon was in poor taste. As I've stated putting poor taste to a vote in the Senate, was as childish as the poor taste itself.
It must suck to live in constant fear.
You etiher are incapable or too hard headed to read what is being said. Your statements that everything Moveon and Soros do is harmless or anyone that condemns their actions is only doing so because the groups are at odds with Republicans is "DEFENDING" them.
I'm not living in fear, I'm living in reality to the possibility there are those out there that want me dead and want my way of life ended. I walk around freely and don't want that to change for me or my Grandkids.
Please define what you feel are the goals of Islamic Terrorists?
And Moveon.org ain't politickin' to see if Bill Clinton can run for VP. What is their purpose and goals?
Define Soros' goals, they are well publicized. Give us your take on what you think the man is trying to accomplish here in the good old USA.

[never_fast_enuf]

You seem threatened by anyone or anything that oopses Republican rule. Thus your hatred for Democrats
I would vote for a democrat that would do what ever it took to protect this nation (number one job for the government to begin with) and one who wouldn't raise taxes the minute he stepped into office. So far, I don't see one that will do either. Both parties have shown they are not willing to curb spending. Yes, I hate elected leaders who sacrifice the stability of this country for political gain. I call that treason.
The Petraeus ad by moveon was in poor taste.
You my friend have mastered the art of understatement.
It's akin to saying the folks in New Orleans got a little wet when Katrina passed through.

[Old Texan]

Remember Timothy McVeigh was influenced by far right groups not exactly considered physically dangerous. Given the right motivation any "nutjob" can turn into a "deadly nutjob". The basics of Soros' groups is hate and destruction. Destruction that can easily turn physical if the right formula of participants are assembled. Don't count out some sick SOB finding a McVeigh and creating a monster. bin Laden and Hamas does just that with their "Islamic Kamikazes"
Comparing Soros to Osama is a laugh. If that is what you are referring to, it's also a laugh.
Read my excerpt slowly and then see if you comphrehend the intent. Far Right or Far Left groups have the capability to accelerate into physically destructive extremists. Any they hunt soldiers to do their dirty work, as anonomously as possible.
Comparing tyrants is laughable, eh. Since you know so much about Soros tell us just what he is and is not capable of? Tell us what some of his far out fringe group followers are capable of? Osama was once a student in the US. Was he already plotting terrorism at that point or did it come to him in a dream?
How about the greenie groups that burn buildings and blow up lots of SUVs? Are they sane? Could they kill if they thought it would help their cause? You want to sit and to wait to find out?
How about Eric Rudolph? You think he blew up abortion clinics and set off an explosive in Atlanta in Olympic Park and then hid out on his own without any aid from the locals in west NC? Nice boy raised by far right fringe parents that just decided one day to lay bombs around town?
Virginia snipers? Ohio freeway sniper? All just nice normal folks that one day woke up with a hard on for society.....or maybe soldiers for a cause?
Naw it couldn't ever happen to you could it?
"Have no fear, Ultra's here to save the day......he says ain't no problem." -Mighty Mouse (Who by day was just a mild mannered little city rodent in FDR's pantry)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Read my excerpt slowly and then see if you comphrehend the intent. Far Right or Far Left groups have the capability to accelerate into physically destructive extremists. Any they hunt soldiers to do their dirty work, as anonomously as possible.
Comparing tyrants is laughable, eh. Since you know so much about Soros tell us just what he is and is not capable of? Tell us what some of his far out fringe group followers are capable of? Osama was once a student in the US. Was he already plotting terrorism at that point or did it come to him in a dream?
How about the greenie groups that burn buildings and blow up lots of SUVs? Are they sane? Could they kill if they thought it would help their cause? You want to sit and to wait to find out?
How about Eric Rudolph? You think he blew up abortion clinics and set off an explosive in Atlanta in Olympic Park and then hid out on his own without any aid from the locals in west NC? Nice boy raised by far right fringe parents that just decided one day to lay bombs around town?
Virginia snipers? Ohio freeway sniper? All just nice normal folks that one day woke up with a hard on for society.....or maybe soldiers for a cause?
Naw it couldn't ever happen to you could it?
"Have no fear, Ultra's here to save the day......he says ain't no problem." -Mighty Mouse (Who by day was just a mild mannered little city rodent in FDR's pantry)
1. I know of the threats to the safety of this nation made by Soros. If there have been threats to our safety made by this man, please inform us of what they are. Yes, comparing many to Osama is a laugh.
2. Greenie groups are now going to include killing to further there cause
Another laugh.
3. How about Eric Rudolph? He was a killer.
4. Snipers? I seriously doubt the these folks were ever normal.
I am subject to the exact same threats every day as you are. However, I don't feel the need to keep a loaded handgun next to my bed at night for protection. Some might call me stupid and some might not. It doesn't matter.
As I said, it must suck to live your life in fear.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

You etiher are incapable or too hard headed to read what is being said..
Bullseye.
Please define what you feel are the goals of Islamic Terrorists?.
And Moveon.org ain't politickin' to see if Bill Clinton can run for VP. What is their purpose and goals?.
Define Soros' goals, they are well publicized. Give us your take on what you think the man is trying to accomplish here in the good old USA.
These would require "investigation" tex, and, if you aren't paying ultra to "investigate", it's trivial.
A "trivial" fact for you ultra, that is relevant to what Tex said.
2% of human beings are Sociopaths.
Perhaps you should look up "sociopath", and then get out a calculator, and calculate 2% of the US population.
Then 2% of the WORLD population.
Virtually all of these people are law-abiding citizens solely because the law exists and they do not wish to be deprived of their freedom due to breaking it.
Sociopaths do not feel emotions relating to the feelings and welfare of others.
A sociopath that decides to ignore the rule of law, is the most dangerous personality there is.
Connect a sociopath to a fringe group, and you have the potential for ANYTHING.
Have you figured up yet how many Americans are sociopaths yet?
How many people live in your city ultra? 2% is....................

[Old Texan]

Bullseye.
These would require "investigation" tex, and, if you aren't paying ultra to "investigate", it's trivial.
A "trivial" fact for you ultra, that is relevant to what Tex said.
2% of human beings are Sociopaths.
Perhaps you should look up "sociopath", and then get out a calculator, and calculate 2% of the US population.
Then 2% of the WORLD population.
Virtually all of these people are law-abiding citizens solely because the law exists and they do not wish to be deprived of their freedom due to breaking it.
Sociopaths do not feel emotions relating to the feelings and welfare of others.
A sociopath that decides to ignore the rule of law, is the most dangerous personality there is.
Connect a sociopath to a fringe group, and you have the potential for ANYTHING.
Have you figured up yet how many Americans are sociopaths yet?
How many people live in your city ultra? 2% is....................
Since you weren't around today and just caught up, would you objectively say my point to Ultra was: "The potential for extremist groups to bait socipaths to do physical destruction?"
I said it in several ways and it doesn't seem he ever caught the point. Was my point not evident?

[Old Texan]

1. I know of the threats to the safety of this nation made by Soros. If there have been threats to our safety made by this man, please inform us of what they are. Yes, comparing many to Osama is a laugh.
2. Greenie groups are now going to include killing to further there cause
Another laugh.
3. How about Eric Rudolph? He was a killer.
4. Snipers? I seriously doubt the these folks were ever normal.
I am subject to the exact same threats every day as you are. However, I don't feel the need to keep a loaded handgun next to my bed at night for protection. Some might call me stupid and some might not. It doesn't matter.
As I said, it must suck to live your life in fear.
You just must not get out much or pay any attention to what goes on around you.
And how do you know what threats I'm subjected to each day? You know nothing of what I do or where I go. Or don't you beleive any of the urban crime statistics?
It must "suck" to refuse to open your eyes to reality.
Like I said I don't live in fear. I live with precaution as I don't consider my self or my loved ones "bullet proof" or naive. I don't keep a loaded gun in my home nor feel the need for one. I have lived in high end middle class areas however that had home invasions and people murdered. Less than a mile from where I lived in North Atlanta a middle aged man and woman were killed by home invaders than picked them at random. We had a neighbor taken hostage for a week by prison escapees about 20 years back in our old TX neighborhood where most never locked their doors it was considered so peaceful.
You be a tough guy in fantasy land but beware, society is changing and if left unchecked your offspring's children will not be able to have such a cavalier attitude about "fear".
And if you've never heard of any injuries or deaths caused by environmental commandos driving spikes into trees or booby trapping heavy equipment I guess you just don't read or listen much.
Utopia, is it real or is it just a refusal to open your eyes to the real world? Tell us........

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Bullseye.
These would require "investigation" tex, and, if you aren't paying ultra to "investigate", it's trivial.
A "trivial" fact for you ultra, that is relevant to what Tex said.
2% of human beings are Sociopaths.
Perhaps you should look up "sociopath", and then get out a calculator, and calculate 2% of the US population.
Then 2% of the WORLD population.
Virtually all of these people are law-abiding citizens solely because the law exists and they do not wish to be deprived of their freedom due to breaking it.
Sociopaths do not feel emotions relating to the feelings and welfare of others.
A sociopath that decides to ignore the rule of law, is the most dangerous personality there is.
Connect a sociopath to a fringe group, and you have the potential for ANYTHING.
Have you figured up yet how many Americans are sociopaths yet?
How many people live in your city ultra? 2% is....................
Any how many of the 2% are of the dangerous variety?
What do you suggest this Country does with the likes of Moveon.org or any other political extremists?
[I]Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
You just must not get out much or pay any attention to what goes on around you.
And how do you know what threats I'm subjected to each day? You know nothing of what I do or where I go. Or don't you beleive any of the urban crime statistics?
It must "suck" to refuse to open your eyes to reality.
Like I said I don't live in fear. I live with precaution as I don't consider my self or my loved ones "bullet proof" or naive. I don't keep a loaded gun in my home nor feel the need for one. I have lived in high end middle class areas however that had home invasions and people murdered. Less than a mile from where I lived in North Atlanta a middle aged man and woman were killed by home invaders than picked them at random. We had a neighbor taken hostage for a week by prison escapees about 20 years back in our old TX neighborhood where most never locked their doors it was considered so peaceful.
You be a tough guy in fantasy land but beware, society is changing and if left unchecked your offspring's children will not be able to have such a cavalier attitude about "fear".
And if you've never heard of any injuries or deaths caused by environmental commandos driving spikes into trees or booby trapping heavy equipment I guess you just don't read or listen much.
Utopia, is it real or is it just a refusal to open your eyes to the real world? Tell us........
Tex
Please excuse me for assuming that you were an average Joe who was exposed to average risk.
Reality is all around both of us and as I said my eyes are open. If you are so much more exposed than I, why no loaded gun in your home? Probably the same reason as I don't have one. Opps, there I go assuming again.
I will ask you the same question. If you had your way, what would be done with the likes of moveon.org?

[never_fast_enuf]

If you had your way, what would be done with the likes of moveon.org?
How about have the "unbiased" :rolleyes: msm report who these people are and what they stand for. Most Americans have no idea who these people are or what their agenda really is. Most of America lines up right in the middle.
If there were equivalent right wing groups with so much power and influence over the republicans, there would be a story leading every nightly news cast and 60 minutes, Time, New York Times all would not stop doing stories until every American was exposed to what they were up to.
The fact is, groups like moveon.org are exactly what is so wrong with this country today. They are a freak show that has firmly entrenched themselves into the democrat party.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

If you had your way, what would be done with the likes of moveon.org?
How about have the "unbiased" :rolleyes: msm report who these people are and what they stand for. Most Americans have no idea who these people are or what their agenda really is. Most of America lines up right in the middle.
If there were equivalent right wing groups with so much power and influence over the republicans, there would be a story leading every nightly news cast and 60 minutes, Time, New York Times all would not stop doing stories until every American was exposed to what they were up to.
The fact is, groups like moveon.org are exactly what is so wrong with this country today. They are a freak show that has firmly entrenched themselves into the democrat party.
The question was:
If you had your way, what would be done with the likes of moveon.org?
And a 2nd question:
What are the other groups like moneon.org you refer to?

[never_fast_enuf]

The question was:
If you had your way, what would be done with the likes of moveon.org?
And a 2nd question:
What are the other groups like moneon.org you refer to?
I believe the question was answered by me. Clearly, the media will never do what I just said because they support the agenda oh moveon and Soros.
If the majority of Americans actually had a clue as to who these people are and what they actually support, they would become irrelevant, no matter how much money they threw at the party. The political risk of being associated with them would be greater than the money they could provide.
Clearly, that isn't going to happen.
Soros, moveon, dailykos, democratic underground...all whack jobs but moveon and Soros have the money to make things happen. Are you not concerned when these people self proclaim that they "own" the democrat party?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I believe the question was answered by me. Clearly, the media will never do what I just said because they support the agenda oh moveon and Soros.
If the majority of Americans actually had a clue as to who these people are and what they actually support, they would become irrelevant, no matter how much money they threw at the party. The political risk of being associated with them would be greater than the money they could provide.
Clearly, that isn't going to happen.
Soros, moveon, dailykos, democratic underground...all whack jobs but moveon and Soros have the money to make things happen. Are you not concerned when these people self proclaim that they "own" the democrat party?
Generally, "how about" doesn't qualify as an answer.
New question:
Who are these people and what do they support that is so un-American?

[Old Texan]

What do you suggest this Country does with the likes of Moveon.org or any other political extremists?
I give up. I will be just like you and ignore them. They don't exist. They don't spew hatred. They don't harass voters at the polling place. They don't place advertisements filled with lies and bad taste. They have no affiliations with billionaires that espouse the desire to change a society. They have no desires to lean on Democratic politicians with vote count blackmail to get their agenda fulfilled.
Let's just not worry about any of it.
What did you think of the new cast of "Dancing with the Stars"? I heard it's gonna be the best one yet. Now that I have time and no worries, I believe I'll catch a few episodes this year.
Gotta go, I'm late for an appointment to get my "Fairy Dust" script refilled......

[never_fast_enuf]

Actually, Soros should be thrown in jail. Here is your man Ultra...and your party laps it up. ACT...another Soros funded group.
Soros-funded group to pay $775,000 fine -- third-largest in FEC history
The Federal Election Commission announced just a short time ago that a political action committee primarily funded by billionaire George Soros and other liberals has agreed to pay the third-largest fine in the agency's 33-year history.
The settlement with America Coming Together concerns "violations of federal campaign finance laws during the 2004 presidential election," the FEC said.
According to this statement at the FEC's website, "ACT, a federal political action committee that also has a non-federal account registered under section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code, agreed to pay $775,000 to settle charges that it used funds raised outside federal limits and source prohibitions to pay for expenses that should have been paid with funds raised within the federal contribution limits and prohibitions."
The Politico writes that ACT "raised $137 million for its get-out-the-vote effort in 17 states in the 2004 elections, but the FEC found most of that cash came through contributions that violated federal limits or were otherwise barred by campaign rules. The group's big donors included George Soros and the Service Employees International Union."

[never_fast_enuf]

Like I said Ultra...either your pretending to not know what this man is or you are fully on board. Can you now be honest and tell me which one it is?
The man is spending BILLIONS to push his agenda. Care to take a stab at how much of that is going to republicans?
David Brock Group Backpedals on Soros Funding
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 03, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.
After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that "neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated," the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups "affiliated" with Soros.
The Media Matters shift came after Cybercast News Service questioned the group's financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates" like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.
Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman responded to Cybercast News Service's questions with an e-mail. "In response to your query regarding donor funding Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros," Aman stated, no longer denying any relationship with organizations affiliated with Soros.
She went on to reference the "early support from Moveon.org, and the New Democrat Network," that Media Matters had received.
In its role as a liberal media watchdog, Media Matters for America takes on some of the biggest names in media. Brock also authored the 2002 book, "Blinded by the Right, The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative," in which he denounced the conservative movement where he first gained fame and disclosed his homosexuality.
'Typical of Brock's operation'
"It's good that they are now being honest by [this new statement regarding Soros]," said John Carlisle, director of policy for the conservative National Legal and Policy Center. "Clearly MMA worked very closely with Soros-funded groups. There is definitely a Soros connection there."

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I give up. I will be just like you and ignore them. They don't exist. They don't spew hatred. They don't harass voters at the polling place. They don't place advertisements filled with lies and bad taste. They have no affiliations with billionaires that espouse the desire to change a society. They have no desires to lean on Democratic politicians with vote count blackmail to get their agenda fulfilled.
Let's just not worry about any of it.
What did you think of the new cast of "Dancing with the Stars"? I heard it's gonna be the best one yet. Now that I have time and no worries, I believe I'll catch a few episodes this year.
Gotta go, I'm late for an appointment to get my "Fairy Dust" script refilled......
Maybe another big line of dust is what you need Tex.
What is this agenda that you keep referring to?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Like I said Ultra...either your pretending to not know what this man is or you are fully on board. Can you now be honest and tell me which one it is?
The man is spending BILLIONS to push his agenda. Care to take a stab at how much of that is going to republicans?
David Brock Group Backpedals on Soros Funding
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 03, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.
After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that "neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated," the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups "affiliated" with Soros.
The Media Matters shift came after Cybercast News Service questioned the group's financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates" like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.
Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman responded to Cybercast News Service's questions with an e-mail. "In response to your query regarding donor funding Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros," Aman stated, no longer denying any relationship with organizations affiliated with Soros.
She went on to reference the "early support from Moveon.org, and the New Democrat Network," that Media Matters had received.
In its role as a liberal media watchdog, Media Matters for America takes on some of the biggest names in media. Brock also authored the 2002 book, "Blinded by the Right, The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative," in which he denounced the conservative movement where he first gained fame and disclosed his homosexuality.
'Typical of Brock's operation'
"It's good that they are now being honest by [this new statement regarding Soros]," said John Carlisle, director of policy for the conservative National Legal and Policy Center. "Clearly MMA worked very closely with Soros-funded groups. There is definitely a Soros connection there."
What is the agenda? To oust Republicans?

[never_fast_enuf]

I find it very fitting that THIS is the most pwerful man in the democrat party. Evidently, it doesn't bother Ultra in the least.
Insider trading conviction of Soros is upheld
Published: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 14, 2006
PARIS: The highest court in France on Wednesday rejected a bid by George Soros, the billionaire investor, to overturn a conviction for insider trading in a case dating back nearly 20 years, leaving the first blemish on his five-decade investing career.
The panel, the Cour de Cassation, upheld the conviction of Soros, 75, an American citizen, for buying and selling Société Générale shares in 1988 after receiving information about a planned corporate raid on the bank.
Ron Soffer, his lawyer, said Soros planned to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights, saying that the length of the proceedings had prevented his client from having a fair trial.
"The investigation started in 1989," he said. "The appeals trial occurred in 2004. How can you call witnesses and ask them about what happened in 1988?" The French stock market regulatory authority investigated the matter separately and concluded that Soros had not violated the law or any ethical rules, Soffer said.
The French authorities have not yet determined what fine Soros will pay.
In a March 2005 ruling, a French appeals court confirmed a fine of €2.2 million, or $2.8 billion, set by a lower court for the illegal purchase of 95,000 shares in Société Générale. The Cour de Cassation ruled that the fine would be adjusted to reflect Soros' profits, and it ordered the case returned to the appeals court to clarify the amount.

[never_fast_enuf]

What is the agenda? To oust Republicans?
With a question like that, I am finding it very difficult to not blast away but in the spirit of following the rules and being a polite guest in this house, I will refrain from excoriating you over what is clearly a question you already know the answer to but instead, you pretend to be naive. It takes a lot of patience to discuss an issue with someone like you who isn't interested in being honest.
The Soros agenda is to transform American society into one in which the use of dangerous drugs and the practice of prostitution are accepted and protected by the government.
This certainly seems newsworthy. A billionaire trying to help the Democratic Party take control of both Houses of Congress has an agenda that includes legalization of drugs and prostitution.
Soros, convicted of insider trading in France, is a financial speculator and hedge-fund operator who manipulates the currencies of the nations of the world in order to make himself rich. Some of his fortune, estimated at $7 billion, has been put into causes such as abortion rights, gay rights, drug legalization, voting rights for felons, euthanasia, and rights for immigrants and prostitutes. His Open Society Institute even helped underwrite attorney Lynne Stewart, subsequently convicted of helping terrorists. In 2004, he spent about $25 million in an unsuccessful effort to defeat President Bush for re-election.

[never_fast_enuf]

Again, THIS is the man you have no problem being the one your party bows down to. The media gives him a free pass simply because they follow the same agenda. This link can start the education process for you ultra. THIS is the man that bought your party...and now they owe him.
http://www.aim.org/special_report/2089_0_8_0_C/

[Old Texan]

Maybe another big line of dust is what you need Tex.
What is this agenda that you keep referring to?
You tell me, you claim to have all the answers by references insinuating they are no different than say the DAR, or BSA, or VFW, or NRA or FFA, or FAA, just a bunch of cub Scouts and Campfire Girls.
No worries for me, they don't exist. Peter Pan said don't worry about the meanies...................

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Again, THIS is the man you have no problem being the one your party bows down to. The media gives him a free pass simply because they follow the same agenda. This link can start the education process for you ultra. THIS is the man that bought your party...and now they owe him.
http://www.aim.org/special_report/2089_0_8_0_C/
AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA.
You use this tern so freely yet when asked what moveon.org'S AGENDA is you cut and paste away about SOROS.
WHAT IS THE AGENDA?
What came first, SOROS or MOVEON.ORG

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You tell me, you claim to have all the answers by references insinuating they are no different than say the DAR, or BSA, or VFW, or NRA or FFA, or FAA, just a bunch of cub Scouts and Campfire Girls.
No worries for me, they don't exist. Peter Pan said don't worry about the meanies...................
AGENDA, What is it?

[never_fast_enuf]

AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA.
You use this tern so freely yet when asked what moveon.org'S AGENDA is you cut and paste away about SOROS.
WHAT IS THE AGENDA?
What came first, SOROS or MOVEON.ORG
Perhaps if you did a little research on the subject you would know that answer. Since you still refuse to do so, I can only come to the conclusion that since Soros and his spin off groups like Moveon are working so hard to get liberals into office, you could care less if they were child molesters and pedophiles.
That is pretty damn sad.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Again, THIS is the man you have no problem being the one your party bows down to. The media gives him a free pass simply because they follow the same agenda. This link can start the education process for you ultra. THIS is the man that bought your party...and now they owe him.
http://www.aim.org/special_report/2089_0_8_0_C/
BTW, is the article by Cliff Kincaid supposed to be unbiased? What a laugh
Cliff Kincaid
Cliff Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist who has been a longtime critic of the United Nations and other multinational organizations. He is also a writer and editor at Accuracy in Media

[centerhill condor]

BTW, is the article by Cliff Kincaid supposed to be unbiased? What a laugh
Cliff Kincaid
Cliff Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist who has been a longtime critic of the United Nations and other multinational organizations. He is also a writer and editor at Accuracy in Media
how does that make him wrong? you appear to criticize sources when you disagree with their facts. That isn't the same as having proof of them being wrong.
Are you gonna call him a racist next?
CC

[never_fast_enuf]

BTW, is the article by Cliff Kincaid supposed to be unbiased? What a laugh
Cliff Kincaid
Cliff Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist who has been a longtime critic of the United Nations and other multinational organizations. He is also a writer and editor at Accuracy in Media
Can you dispute the content of the article? Yes he is biased. Does than not mean Soros was convicted of insider trading?
Now, tell me what was incorrect in the article itself.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Perhaps if you did a little research on the subject you would know that answer. Since you still refuse to do so, I can only come to the conclusion that since Soros and his spin off groups like Moveon are working so hard to get liberals into office, you could care less if they were child molesters and pedophiles.
That is pretty damn sad.
What is sad is that people like you must find someone or a group to blame for the ills of your party.
I am not a supporter of Soros, in fact I never even heard of Soros until a few months back. I have since read stories from both sides of the fence and it seems clear that the majority of the Right's hatred stems from Soro's dislike for George Bush and the fact that he is extremely wealthy and isn't afraid to spend it on his political views. WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I am not a supporter of moveon.org, as I find some of their positions extreme. Not all registered Democrats support moveon.org, which BTW came before Soros. Yet you like so many here in the PRF, when asked about your position and the basis for your opinion, reply with cut and paste opinions of others, and in this case a Right Wing activist. Such responses do nothing for your credibility as one who can think for himself.
Insider Trading 19 years ago
Insider trading charges
In 1988, he was asked to join a takeover attempt of the French bank Société Générale. He declined to participate in the bid, but did later buy a number of shares in the company. French authorities began an investigation in 1989, and in 2002 a French court ruled that it was insider trading as defined under French securities laws and fined him $2 million which was the amount that he made using the insider information.
Punitive damages were not sought because of the delay in bringing the case to trial. Soros denied any wrongdoing and said news of the takeover was public knowledge.[12]
His insider trading conviction was upheld by the highest court in France on June 14, 2006.[13] In December, 2006 he appealled to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming that the 14 year delay in bringing the case to trial precluded a fair hearing.[14]

[never_fast_enuf]

Yep, just sweep it all under the rug Ultra...after all, they ARE working to oust conservatives so the end justifies the means for the likes of you.
Read it Ultra...dare to educate yourself. There is a big ole world out here that you could participate in...IF you choose to do so.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070924/bs_ibd_ibd/2007924issues01
Sounds like a hell of a guy....

[Old Texan]

AGENDA, What is it?
Peter Pan's "agenda" is to never grow up, not work, play all day, and not worry about the meanies.
The real world will just take care of itself.
I gotta go. Got an appointment with Pan to see how sex, beer, and boats fit into "my" new "agenda"......
No worries is great.

[never_fast_enuf]

Here is another one for you Ultra. But hey, all's well that ends well, right?
What ever it takes...right Ultra? Get your head out of you rear end and take a good look...Ignoring it will not make it all go away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070921/bs_ibd_ibd/2007921issues01
MoveOn.org claims that its average member contribution is $40. For a Democratic candidate to dare sanction the group, no matter how boorish its actions, there are consequences. Result: MoveOn.org can act out as wildly as it likes, driving the party left -- and it will.
Second, MoveOn.org has gotten financing from the deep pockets of billionaires such as George Soros, who pledged it $5 million in the past and implied he would give more if that's what it took to win elections. That's not his only cause. He funds a network of organizations that have critical uses to the Democrats, such as a think tank closely associated with Hillary Clinton's supporters and ex-aides called the Center for American Progress, and plenty of others.
Small wonder that the MoveOn.org organizers feel confident to carry on. The group's organizers claim to confer with Democratic representatives or their aides in Congress every morning.
MoveOn's leaders declared in a 2004 e-mail that its cash contributions ensure its control of the Democrats: "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."
With a slew of senators who won't even condemn their worst excesses in a mere symbolic vote, it's hard to dispute that statement.

[Old Texan]

Here is another one for you Ultra. But hey, all's well that ends well, right?
What ever it takes...right Ultra? Get your head out of you rear end and take a good look...Ignoring it will not make it all go away.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070921/bs_ibd_ibd/2007921issues01
MoveOn.org claims that its average member contribution is $40. For a Democratic candidate to dare sanction the group, no matter how boorish its actions, there are consequences. Result: MoveOn.org can act out as wildly as it likes, driving the party left -- and it will.
Second, MoveOn.org has gotten financing from the deep pockets of billionaires such as George Soros, who pledged it $5 million in the past and implied he would give more if that's what it took to win elections. That's not his only cause. He funds a network of organizations that have critical uses to the Democrats, such as a think tank closely associated with Hillary Clinton's supporters and ex-aides called the Center for American Progress, and plenty of others.
Small wonder that the MoveOn.org organizers feel confident to carry on. The group's organizers claim to confer with Democratic representatives or their aides in Congress every morning.
MoveOn's leaders declared in a 2004 e-mail that its cash contributions ensure its control of the Democrats: "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."
With a slew of senators who won't even condemn their worst excesses in a mere symbolic vote, it's hard to dispute that statement.
That's not an "agenda". You got to be specific. Maybe there is a form you can fill out.......:idea:
Mr. Hand is never going to pass you there, Mr. Spicoli.......

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Yep, just sweep it all under the rug Ultra...after all, they ARE working to oust conservatives so the end justifies the means for the likes of you.
Read it Ultra...dare to educate yourself. There is a big ole world out here that you could participate in...IF you choose to do so.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070924/bs_ibd_ibd/2007924issues01
Sounds like a hell of a guy....
And yet another cut & paste opinion. You and I both know that there is cut and paste material supportive of almost every position. Just because I can find a wealth of negative about George Bush, doesn't mean that all of it is 100% accurate.
You're absolutely right about there being a big world out there. Seems you have yet to learn that the world is much bigger than left and right wing politics. Maybe when you get a little older. Then again maybe not as this didn't apply to Old Tex :confused: :)

[never_fast_enuf]

"I see said the blind man"
Clearly you have no interest in who these people are or what they represent or it really doesn't bother you in the least.
Either way, it isn't an intelectually honest stance to take...or is it?
Specifically Ultra, what are you disputing that is contained in the articles I provided?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

"I see said the blind man"
Clearly you have no interest in who these people are or what they represent or it really doesn't bother you in the least.
Either way, it isn't an intelectually honest stance to take...or is it?
Once again
What is moveon.org's AGENDA? Help me here. No cut and paste, your opinion of what moveon's agenda is. Beyond not supporting Republicans and having financial backing, what it it?
An intelectually honest stance isn't cut and paste.
BTW, any email I receive from moveon goes directly to my spam folder.

[never_fast_enuf]

Why does my opinion of what there agenda is matter in the least when I have given you factual information concerning their agenda?
My OPINION doesn't matter in the least. I am concerned with the facts...why aren't you?????

[Old Texan]

NSF, here's my reasons for not following the "script". See what you think:
1- I spent yesterday giving my opionions on how extrremist groups had potential for physical danger. This made me an individual that lived in needless fear. There is no aparrent threat from these groups as they are I am to assume from Ultra's point of view, just basically acadenmics playing with the social sciences. Couldn't ever in the realm of possibility be any danger.
2- Ultra states he basically doesn't care who Moveon or Soros are and isn't about to waste time worrying about them. I guess they are harmless and if ignored they will go away. When asked specific questions to give his input on whom they are, he has completely ignored my questions.
3- He apparently doesn't care or is prone to avoid the issue that these people play dirty politics to the point of campaign funding fraud to poll place harassment. He doesn't comment on these points that are proven in print and documented in in court records.
4- He feels our superior and hasn't the need to respond directly to any question put to him. He lives free and easy with no fears because our fears are trumped up Republican scare tactics and laughably riduiculous. If we ignore the potential dangers and quit being silly nillies everything will just work out on it's own as it has in Ultra's neighborhood.
5-Calling for a personal response to what the group's agenda might be is nothing more than his avoiding the above mentioned questions posed to him on who he believes them to be and his own view of what their objectives / agenda / motives may be. This will be typically answered with a cut and paste from a dictionary similar to his earlier response to SS about what a sociopath is.
Therefore I have chosen to follow the Peter Pan agenda and will no longer fear that which doesn't exist in Neverland. :devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Why does my opinion of what there agenda is matter in the least when I have given you factual information concerning their agenda?
My OPINION doesn't matter in the least. I am concerned with the facts...why aren't you?????
In your words I'm looking for your "intelectually honest stance" and not media cut and paste links or articles. In other words, your honest thoughts and not the thoughts of others.
You have always been so quick to condemn me for my opinion yet you don't want to give me an equal opportunity. I shouldn't be surprised.
NSF, here's my reasons for not following the "script". See what you think:
1- I spent yesterday giving my opionions on how extrremist groups had potential for physical danger. This made me an individual that lived in needless fear. There is no aparrent threat from these groups as they are I am to assume from Ultra's point of view, just basically acadenmics playing with the social sciences. Couldn't ever in the realm of possibility be any danger.
2- Ultra states he basically doesn't care who Moveon or Soros are and isn't about to waste time worrying about them. I guess they are harmless and if ignored they will go away. When asked specific questions to give his input on whom they are, he has completely ignored my questions.
3- He apparently doesn't care or is prone to avoid the issue that these people play dirty politics to the point of campaign funding fraud to poll place harassment. He doesn't comment on these points that are proven in print and documented in in court records.
4- He feels our superior and hasn't the need to respond directly to any question put to him. He lives free and easy with no fears because our fears are trumped up Republican scare tactics and laughably riduiculous. If we ignore the potential dangers and quit being silly nillies everything will just work out on it's own as it has in Ultra's neighborhood.
5-Calling for a personal response to what the group's agenda might be is nothing more than his avoiding the above mentioned questions posed to him on who he believes them to be and his own view of what their objectives / agenda / motives may be. This will be typically answered with a cut and paste from a dictionary similar to his earlier response to SS about what a sociopath is.
Therefore I have chosen to follow the Peter Pan agenda and will no longer fear that which doesn't exist in Neverland. :devil:
1. At least you were big enough to express your opinion. I nor anyone else has to agree.
2. I don't view moveon.org in the same light as al qaida. Nor do I believe that moveon.org is a threat the safety of my family or me.
3. The points of campaign fraud by moveon.org have not been proven that I know of. Have they?
4. I live a happy life that is not filled with fear. Sorry you can't say the same.
5. What is moveon.org's agenda Please answer the question.
You must have gotten your dust script filled indulged in a huge rail.
HOW MANY SOCIPATHS ARE DANGERIOUS. The question I asked? Care to answer, or are you going to keep ducking the questions?

[Old Texan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Texan
Please define what you feel are the goals of Islamic Terrorists?.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Texan
And Moveon.org ain't politickin' to see if Bill Clinton can run for VP. What is their purpose and goals?.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Texan
Define Soros' goals, they are well publicized. Give us your take on what you think the man is trying to accomplish here in the good old USA.
You show me yours and I'll show you mine type deal.
You want a response from us in our own words, where's yours???????????

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You show me yours and I'll show you mine type deal.
You want a response from us in our own words, where's yours???????????
Sorry big guy, I asked the question, not you. I'm not not the one posting a bunch of sky is falling fear mongering bullsh*t about this issue. Comparing Soros and Osama was also you.
What is the agenda you are so afraid of? I'm not afraid of Soros or moveon.org.

[Old Texan]

2. I don't view moveon.org in the same light as al qaida. Nor do I believe that moveon.org is a threat the safety of my family or me.
3. The points of campaign fraud by moveon.org have not been proven that I know of. Have they?4. I live a happy life that is not filled with fear. Sorry you can't say the same.
You must have gotten your dust script filled indulged in a huge rail.
HOW MANY SOCIPATHS ARE DANGERIOUS. The question I asked? Care to answer, or are you going to keep ducking the questions?
They may not be a physical threat to you at this time but their influence has the prospect of effecting you financially through taxes, retirement funds, and social effects on your way of life. The question here is do you want them responsible for who gets elected? They have already thrown campaign funds into succesfull results. Research it.
They and Soros have been convicted of illegal campaign funding. Research it
How many sociopaths need to be dangerous? The "1" that goes off the deep end and kills, rapes, or bullies. "1" is all it takes. Life's just a crapshoot ain't it, nothing but luck that YOU won't be the one to fall into contact with that
"1" sociopath that goes over the edge. Got the odds all figgerd' out?
As I said several times now, I don't walk around in fear. Nor do a walk around with the assumption if I ignore life's potential problems they will just go away.
Of course in Neverland there are no worries, not until you grow up and Peter Pan doesn't come to the window anymore........

[Old Texan]

Sorry big guy, I asked the question, not you. I'm not not the one posting a bunch of sky is falling fear mongering bullsh*t about this issue. Comparing Soros and Osama was also you.
What is the agenda you are so afraid of? I'm not afraid of Soros or moveon.org.
As I figured , you will cop out again. Your world isn't near as orderly as you profess and your fear is buried within where you think you can keep it in check but it's there. Utopia doesn't exist
Hypocrisy does have it's limits, maybe one day you'll find yours "little" guy.......:idea:
Over and out......

[ULTRA26 # 1]

They may not be a physical threat to you at this time but their influence has the prospect of effecting you financially through taxes, retirement funds, and social effects on your way of life. The question here is do you want them responsible for who gets elected? They have already thrown campaign funds into succesfull results. Research it.
They and Soros have been convicted of illegal campaign funding. Research it
How many sociopaths need to be dangerous? The "1" that goes off the deep end and kills, rapes, or bullies. "1" is all it takes. Life's just a crapshoot ain't it, nothing but luck that YOU won't be the one to fall into contact with that
"1" sociopath that goes over the edge. Got the odds all figgerd' out?
As I said several times now, I don't walk around in fear. Nor do a walk around with the assumption if I ignore life's potential problems they will just go away.
Of course in Neverland there are no worries, not until you grow up and Peter Pan doesn't come to the window anymore........
Tex, all I hear you saying is that you fear that moveon will help to assure a Republican defeat in 08. It's obvious that your fear is not of the likes of moveon.org but it is the whole Democratic platform that you are worried about.
We all live with reality of being on the receiving end of a crazy. Keeping ones eyes open, IMO is the best way to live with this reality and be happy as well.
Bush managed to get rel elected, and IMO, this in itself, demonstrates their lack of power.

[Old Texan]

Tex, all I hear you saying is that you fear that moveon will help to assure a Republican defeat in 08. It's obvious that your fear is not of the likes of moveon.org but it is the whole Democratic platform that you are worried about.
We all live with reality of being of the receiving end of a crazy. Keeping ones eyes open, IMO is the best way to live with this reality and be happy as well.
Bush managed to get rel elected, and IMO, this in itself, demonstrates their lack of power.
You read into what people post as you see fit in your mind not what they intend to say. Example, I have mentioned nowhere about it leading to Republican defeat. You just assume and that's your problem, you don't really read what the intent of the post is about. Your assumptions about what I wrote about bin Laden and Soros are proof in point, you assumed rather than read what content was written.
You will never as usual admit it but it's there.......

[centerhill condor]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39872&stc=1&d=1190749764
CC

[Old Texan]

Gee, I almost missed it: Ultra said- "all I hear you saying......."
Pretty well sums up my point. The "Tar Baby" was another grand example. CC is on to the same thing as is NSF and SS and many more.
Ultra "hears" what he wants to "hear", not what is written. Or maybe what he thinks he "hears" and just doesn't realize or want to admit to it.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You read into what people post as you see fit in your mind not what they intend to say. Example, I have mentioned nowhere about it leading to Republican defeat. You just assume and that's your problem, you don't really read what the intent of the post is about. Your assumptions about what I wrote about bin Laden and Soros are proof in point, you assumed rather than read what content was written.
You will never as usual admit it but it's there.......
I read was is written. Republicans are afraid of increased taxes and the rest of this issues you mentioned as a result of a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Senate.
Please point to the assumption you refer to regarding Soros and Osama. Problem is you won't be able to as I never made that assumption.
"They may not be a physical threat to you at this time but their influence has the prospect of effecting you financially through taxes, retirement funds, and social effects on your way of life".
"They may not be a physical threat to you at this time"
Right Wing extremists may not be a physical threat to me at this time either but the future is an entirely different story. Why don't you start being honest here Tex. The Republicans have been trying to instill fear in the American public, for some years now. Enough already.
Hear, read, understand,,,,, whatever. You have nothing else so you nit pick. I hope your impressed, I'm not.
When I was young, "Tar Baby" was is racial slur. Next time you see a large young black man walking down the street please walk up to him and say "HEY TAR BABY" and wait for his reaction.
My guess is he won't find it amuzing.
I also find it interesting that CC not once has denied that he follows the ideals of the White Christian Supremacist movement. CC, do you still accept those black folks who go out of their way to prove they are as good as white people?

[never_fast_enuf]

In your words I'm looking for your "intelectually honest stance" and not media cut and paste links or articles. In other words, your honest thoughts and not the thoughts of others.
Do you not really have enough intelligence to understand that my opinion is the same as those I have referenced? Seriously, I need to understand some very basic things about you. Things like your ability to comprehend simple facts, reading comprehension as well as your true intelligence level.
Don't take this as a flame as I am totally serious. I may have massively underestimated the IQ of whom I am dealing with. It would explain much of my frustration with your inability to keep up.
Rex, I am being totally serious here and in no way am I trying to flame Ultra. Just trying to get a level set.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Do you not really have enough intelligence to understand that my opinion is the same as those I have referenced? Seriously, I need to understand some very basic things about you. Things like your ability to comprehend simple facts, reading comprehension as well as your true intelligence level.
Don't take this as a flame as I am totally serious. I may have massively underestimated the IQ of whom I am dealing with. It would explain much of my frustration with your inability to keep up.
Rex, I am being totally serious here and in no way am I trying to flame Ultra. Just trying to get a level set.
As I recall you asked for an "intelectually honest stance" and I asked for the same.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

23- He apparently doesn't care or is prone to avoid the issue that these people play dirty politics to the point of campaign funding fraud to poll place harassment. He doesn't comment on these points that are proven in print and documented in in court records.
The NY Times has now ADMITTED that, not only was a heavy DISCOUNT given to moveon.org for the Gen Betray-us ad, but that the ad itself was not acceptable to the NY Times PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED standards for publication.
The discount was given ($77,000 worth)
The ad was published anyhow.
The salesperson who facilitated the deal, is being kept secret, BY THE TIMES.
Why? You tell me. :idea:
The lawsuit over it moves foreward, fueled by move-on's statements that they "own" and strategize with the democrat party, and thus, are A PART OF THE PARTY, not an independant organization.
How much of the NY Times does Soros own? :idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Since you weren't around today and just caught up, would you objectively say my point to Ultra was: "The potential for extremist groups to bait socipaths to do physical destruction?"
I said it in several ways and it doesn't seem he ever caught the point. Was my point not evident?
Been spending more time lately in front of the new 65" TV watching movies with my other half. Sorry if you've missed me. :D
I thought it was plainly obvious, how easilly the borderline nutcases can be pulled over the edge by a manipulator (or can simply take off on their own, like McVeigh).
Did ultra ever figure out how many sociopaths he lives near?
300 million American citizens = 6 MILLION sociopathic personalities.
IF 1% of those went out-of-control, how about 60,000 cold, heartless, thinking, CALCULATING, self-centered, controlling, killers.
1200 per state, on average. more with more population.
That's only 1 out of 100.
What if 2, or 10 out of 100 were pulled in by a fringe extremist group? :idea:
Was running this evening, and drinking a few cold ones before/while/after running. :D Would have been in earlier otherwise. :)

[OKIE-JET]

I may have massively underestimated the IQ of whom I am dealing with. .
Ya know, I really hate to say it, but this feeling has been hangin around for dayz.:idea:

[Old Texan]

I read was is written. ?????? Now if you can just settle down enough to say it. :D Republicans are afraid of increased taxes and the rest of this issues you mentioned as a result of a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Senate.
Please point to the assumption you refer to regarding Soros and Osama. Problem is you won't be able to as I never made that assumption.
"They may not be a physical threat to you at this time but their influence has the prospect of effecting you financially through taxes, retirement funds, and social effects on your way of life".
"They may not be a physical threat to you at this time"
Right Wing extremists may not be a physical threat to me at this time either but the future is an entirely different story. Why don't you start being honest here Tex. The Republicans have been trying to instill fear in the American public, for some years now. Enough already.
Hear, read, understand,,,,, whatever. You have nothing else so you nit pick. I hope your impressed, I'm not.
When I was young, "Tar Baby" was is racial slur. Next time you see a large young black man walking down the street please walk up to him and say "HEY TAR BABY" and wait for his reaction.
My guess is he won't find it amuzing.
I also find it interesting that CC not once has denied that he follows the ideals of the White Christian Supremacist movement. CC, do you still accept those black folks who go out of their way to prove they are as good as white people?
My history with the term "Tar Baby" was through Uncle Remus children's stories. The term was never used around me or by me with any racial connotations. The origin of the term was not intended to have racial connotations. Apparently you come from a far different background if you feel the term to be a racial epitath.
Once again and hopefully slow enough this time to synch up with your ability to absorb enough of the intended content to maybe clarify what you "hear" and understand it as it was written.
Soros and bin Laden each sponsor in some way "organizations". bin Laden looks for recruits that can be manipulated into enacting heinous missions without a moments hesitation to sacrafice their own lives.
My point was "in theory" it could be possible for an extremist group in the US to inadvertantly or perhaps willfully activate a sociopathic person who could carry out similar heinous acts.
I have not in anyway stated Soros is a counterpart to bin Laden, only that the potential exists for an extremist group to evolve into an organization capable of using physical destruction to further their "agenda".
These views are not intended to be scare tactics just observations.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My history with the term "Tar Baby" was through Uncle Remus children's stories. The term was never used around me or by me with any racial connotations. The origin of the term was not intended to have racial connotations. Apparently you come from a far different background if you feel the term to be a racial epitath.
Once again and hopefully slow enough this time to synch up with your ability to absorb enough of the intended content to maybe clarify what you "hear" and understand it as it was written.
Soros and bin Laden each sponsor in some way "organizations". bin Laden looks for recruits that can be manipulated into enacting heinous missions without a moments hesitation to sacrafice their own lives.
My point was "in theory" it could be possible for an extremist group in the US to inadvertantly or perhaps willfully activate a sociopathic person who could carry out similar heinous acts.
I have not in anyway stated Soros is a counterpart to bin Laden, only that the potential exists for an extremist group to evolve into an organization capable of using physical destruction to further their "agenda".
These views are not intended to be scare tactics just observations.
Apparently. The original intent of the term coon wasn't racial either.
Probably a good idea to slow to the point to where you WRITE what you intend to communicate. You surely don't want us lesser folks assuming now do ya?
Reality is that it is possible for anything or anyone to trigger a sociopathic person who could carry out similar heinous acts. Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic former member of the US military.
Again please note no denial from CC

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The NY Times has now ADMITTED that, not only was a heavy DISCOUNT given to moveon.org for the Gen Betray-us ad, but that the ad itself was not acceptable to the NY Times PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED standards for publication.
The discount was given ($77,000 worth)
The ad was published anyhow.
The salesperson who facilitated the deal, is being kept secret, BY THE TIMES.
Why? You tell me. :idea:
The lawsuit over it moves foreward, fueled by move-on's statements that they "own" and strategize with the democrat party, and thus, are A PART OF THE PARTY, not an independant organization.
How much of the NY Times does Soros own? :idea:
Most of what you have stated here is contrary to the statement made by the NY Times.
The Giuliani campaign was given the exact same price for same size ad. Standard for a full page black and white with 7 day print window.
Per the NY Times statement, the ad did fit acceptability guidelines.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/cheney-jumps-into-fray-over-moveon-ad/
What lawsuit are you referring to?
BTW, happy to hear you and your better half are enjoying the new 65. A little R&R is nice sometimes.

[Old Texan]

Apparently. The original intent of the term coon wasn't racial either.
Probably a good idea to slow to the point to where you WRITE what you intend to communicate. You surely don't want us lesser folks assuming now do ya?
Reality is that it is possible for anything or anyone to trigger a sociopathic person who could carry out similar heinous acts. Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic former member of the US military.
Again please note no denial from CC
Question: You know what a "Coonass" is?
Reality is that it is possible for anything or anyone to trigger a sociopathic person who could carry out similar heinous acts. Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic former member of the US military
And the moon could really be made of green cheese. "Anything" could apply to anything.
The whole point is many manipulative people try to use the weakness of others as tools. I truly believe McVeigh and Rudolph were manipulated by Right Wing Extremist groups, directly or indirectly, this has been my point from the get go.
You being the big advocate of right and wrong should pick up on my point, but what the hell do I know.
Again please note no denial from CC
By Gawdd Ultra, call him out, let's get this settled.....

[eliminatedsprinter]

I read was is written. Republicans are afraid of increased taxes and the rest of this issues you mentioned as a result of a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Senate.
As all thinkng taxpayers should be.
I have worked for the federal government for 0ver 24 years and I will never support any tax increase on anyone. I've seen too much waste in my career to ever support any increase. Nuff said...
P.S. As a federal employee, self intrest should have me favoring a tax increase on the rich. The problem is, I am an Americian first and I know beyond any doubt that there is no justification for any new taxes on any taxpayers....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You know what a "Coonass" is"
Honestly I don't. As I recall it's a term used in Louisiana but I can't recall for what. I will check it out.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

As all thinkng taxpayers should be.
I have worked for the federal government for 0ver 24 years and I will never support any tax increase on anyone. I've seen too much waste in my career to ever support any increase. Nuff said...
P.S. As a federal employee, self intrest should have me favoring a tax increase on the rich. The problem is, I am an Americian first and I know beyond any doubt that there is no justification for any new taxes on any taxpayers....
An almost nine trillion dollar national debt concerns me. It's about time that the waste is cleaned up. We don't have the cash flow to fund the war and the waste too.

[Old Texan]

Honestly I don't. As I recall it's a term used in Louisiana but I can't recall for what. I will check it out.
A "Coonass" is a commonly used name for a Cajun, an Acadian French Looosianan. It's good and proudly accepted.
Point is racial epitaths have a way of taking away alot of good words. I've heard folks from the north express consternation when first hearing "Coonass" thinking it had another meaning.
You need to hear a few Boudreaux and Thibideaux stories and you'll pick up on a lil' Looosiana culture. Rent the "Big Easy"....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

A "Coonass" is a commonly used name for a Cajun, an Acadian French Looosianan. It's good and proudly accepted.
Point is racial epitaths (sp) have a way of taking away alot of good words. I've heard folks from the north express consternation when first hearing "Coonass" thinking it had another meaning.
You need to hear a few Boudreaux and Thibideaux stories and you'll pick up on a lil' Looosiana culture. Rent the "Big Easy"....
Thanks for the info
Actually Tex, when I was playin' with Lacy J. we spent some time in Louisiana. I don't know how we hooked up with this guy but we hung out quite a bit with a guy named Rufus Thibideaux. This guy had the line on all of the local mom and pop restaurants and, you're right, he had some crazy stories to tell.
I grew up in a 50/50 black, white neighborhood in Inglewood, CA in the 60's so it's not like I need to invent sh*t about slurs. Maybe the slurs here were different than those in TX as you have suggested. I really don't have a problem living with a few less words.
Hate to be the one to correct you or nit pick, but I now see it hasn't been a typo. You would be helping me if I made the same mistake. :)
One entry found for epitaph. (sp)
Main Entry: ep·i·taph
Pronunciation: 'e-p&-"taf
Function: noun
1 : an inscription on or at a tomb or a grave in memory of the one buried there
2 : a brief statement commemorating or epitomizing a deceased person or something

[SmokinLowriderSS]

By Gawdd Ultra, call him out, let's get this settled.....
Ultra's success reccord in "callouts" is rather "dubious" to be kind about it.
Not much success (again with the kind understatement). :idea: :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra's success reccord in "callouts" is rather "dubious" to be kind about it.
Not much success (again with the kind understatement). :idea: :D
No need to call out anyone. You been smokin to many dubious again :D :D

[SmokinLowriderSS]

The pot now calls the kettle black.
The guy who never seems to get the word he INTENDS to use, actually tries to correct tex.
Why didn't you give him the CORRECT WORD as well, or don't you know it either ultra? :idea:
EpiTHET.
ep·i·thet (p-tht)
n.
1. a. A term used to characterize a person or thing, such as rosy-fingered in rosy-fingered dawn or the Great in Catherine the Great.
1. b. A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln.
2. An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase.
3. Biology A word in the scientific name of an animal or plant following the name of the genus and denoting a species, variety, or other division of the genus, as sativa in Lactuca sativa.
"in-ves-ti-ga-tor" :idea: :confused:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The pot now calls the kettle black.
The guy who never seems to get the word he INTENDS to use, actually tries to correct tex.
Why didn't you give him the CORRECT WORD as well, or don't you know it either ultra? :idea:
EpiTHET.
ep·i·thet (p-tht)
n.
1. a. A term used to characterize a person or thing, such as rosy-fingered in rosy-fingered dawn or the Great in Catherine the Great.
1. b. A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln.
2. An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase.
3. Biology A word in the scientific name of an animal or plant following the name of the genus and denoting a species, variety, or other division of the genus, as sativa in Lactuca sativa.
"in-ves-ti-ga-tor" :idea: :confused:
You think you got this one right? WRONG
I like yours. "Cathrine the coonass". :)
Slur is the correct word when used with racial.
Slur
Main Entry: 1slur
Pronunciation: 'sl&r
Function: noun
Etymology: obsolete English dialect slur thin mud, from Middle English sloor; akin to Middle High German slier mud
1 a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : ASPERSION b : a shaming or degrading effect : STAIN, STIGMA
2 : a blurred spot in printed matter : SMUDGE
WEEK-END-ERRRRRRRRRR
You know what is even funnier, you enjoy acting this way.

[Old Texan]

My spelling was off. SS got the right word. I guess I actually had a combo thing going there:) .....So much for the Reader's Digest word of the week on the old vocab expansion project, eh...:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My spelling was off. SS got the right word. I guess I actually had a combo thing going there:) .....So much for the Reader's Digest word of the week on the old vocab expansion project, eh...:D
Nothing serious. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_epithet
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=racial+epitaph&btn=Search&tab=Web&ei=UTF-8&fr=my-vert-web-top
Suggestions for epitath:
1. epitaph
2. epithet
3. epithets
4. apatite
5. appetit
6. appetite
7. epitaphs
8. epithetic
9. apathy

[never_fast_enuf]

As I recall you asked for an "intelectually honest stance" and I asked for the same.
And you received it several times but decided it was easier to ignore than address. This latest BS attempt by another Soros funded group to call Bill O'Reilly
(I am no fan by the way) racist is just one more example of the dishonesty and deceit the Soros crowd brings to the democrats.
Evidently it doesn't seem to bother you too much since they are aligned with what seems to be your only interest....get republicans...at any cost...including our military.

[never_fast_enuf]

An almost nine trillion dollar national debt concerns me. It's about time that the waste is cleaned up. We don't have the cash flow to fund the war and the waste too.
We have plenty of cash flow for this war. What we don't have is the cash flow to continue to hand out entitlements like candy to a baby.
What is the main purpose of the federal government? Is it to take care of it's citizens from cradle to grave by taking from the productive members of society and giving to those that refuse to produce or is it to protect it's citizens?
Do you realize that every single one of your party's 08 presidential candidates will MASSIVELY increase that debt?
How much more of YOUR money are you willing to fork over to the government for these NEW programs when clearly you indicate you understand how much waste we already have in government?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

We have plenty of cash flow for this war. What we don't have is the cash flow to continue to hand out entitlements like candy to a baby.
What is the main purpose of the federal government? Is it to take care of it's citizens from cradle to grave by taking from the productive members of society and giving to those that refuse to produce or is it to protect it's citizens?
Do you realize that every single one of your party's 08 presidential candidates will MASSIVELY increase that debt?
How much more of YOUR money are you willing to fork over to the government for these NEW programs when clearly you indicate you understand how much waste we already have in government?
We clearly don't agree on the matter of war funding. During WWII all Americans sacraficed in one way or another to fund and/or to support the war. Today, with 99.9% of Americans, it's business as usual
What have the Republicans done in the past, almost 7 years, to better manage Govt spending?
Not everyone has the capacity to be as successful as you or I. As long as people make an honest effort, I have no problem with some of my tax dollars being spent to help those live a better life.
The first pro-choice Republican who is serious about of ending the Iraqi war is likely to get my vote in 08.

[Old Texan]

The first pro-choice Republican who is serious about of ending the Iraqi war is likely to get my vote in 08.
So your candidate has 2 criteria to meet?
1- Pro choice
2- End Iraq war

[ULTRA26 # 1]

So your candidate has 2 criteria to meet?
1- Pro choice
2- End Iraq war
Hardly.
Repubicans generally meet more of my criterion than Democrats. I see ending the Iraqi war and pro choice as as very big issues in 08.

[never_fast_enuf]

What have the Republicans done in the past, almost 7 years, to better manage Govt spending?
Almost nothing which is why republicans stayed home in droves and the democrats regained the helm in 06.
Just so you know, most republicans I know are totally disgusted with the way their representatives have managed money on the domestic front...aside from cutting taxes, their record sucks.
The problem is, what the democrats want to spend actually does make the republicans look responsible.
It sucks when you are left to vote for the one that will screw you the least.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Almost nothing which is why republicans stayed home in droves and the democrats regained the helm in 06.
Just so you know, most republicans I know are totally disgusted with the way their representatives have managed money on the domestic front...aside from cutting taxes, their record sucks.
The problem is, what the democrats want to spend actually does make the republicans look responsible.
It sucks when you are left to vote for the one that will screw you the least.
WE AGREE AGAIN :2purples: :2purples: